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Brooklyn Girl- early review

Fake Name Apr 28, 2012 08:54 PM

***It's not nice to review a place in the first few weeks of opening. Please take this as an early and unfair review****

Got a rez earlier this week to our newest local spot, Brooklyn Girl.

Short take spoiler: We liked it and will be back. Thrilled to have a decent spot in Mission Hills.

Still with me?

We've been waiting a long time for this. It was SUPPOSED to be Cafe Chloe North (or something) but Brooklyn Girl is the new place on Goldfinch in Mission Hills. Yes, it's a little loud.

Our only visit there (so far) was tonight, their second full day open to the general public. Probably a bit early for a formal review, and the reasons for that are evident here.

The areas for improvement:

Take the strings off the lamb roast.
Serve the lamb roast in the menu-promised jus.
Don't forget the salad.
Give the french fries a little more time in the fryer.

BUT- the rest was quite good, and I suspect the rough spots will be resolved soon. I enjoyed a "Brooklyn" (play on Manhattan) cocktail, and Mrs Name liked their BLT, with Basil, Gin lime and lavender or something like that. She said it was good.

We REALLY enjoyed their pork-and-bean startes- pork belly (how can one go wrong?) nice rich beans- maybe a tad undercooked (call me Mr Fussy) but quite enjoyable.

For an entree, we chared one of several large-portion plates- ours was a roast saddle of lamb. It was similar to an herby lamb porchetta which was also offered. They bring the lamb when it's done roasting to the table so you can see it before they carve it. A nice flourish, but when they brought it back it was not as hot as I'd prefer. It was sold as coming with jus, but we had no sign of any, and it was provided on the side with apologies. Came with roasted potatoes, carrots and onions. Very good.

Mr11 had a burger with bacon and cheddar, and was generous to his old man enough to allow me a piece. Very good- especially the bun.

I asked for suggestions for a glass of wine to go with the lamb, and the server was great- offered two slections, a pinot and a cab, which were both right for the dish. Our server was knowledgeable about the menu, friendly but professional.

We ended with one of their many house-made desserts, ours was their brownie. I liked the flavors (salted caramel, nuts and chocolate) and it was served warm- but had that microwave feel to it. I could be wrong...

Overall, we are very excited to have a solid choice in the 'hood. Walking distance, nice bar, etc. They plan lunch and- even better- BREAKFAST soon.

Highly recommended.

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  1. foodiechick RE: Fake Name Apr 28, 2012 10:17 PM

    I am SO happy to hear a positive review from my friend with very refined standards. I really want this place to work for these people (particularly Mike and Victoria McGeath. We were just talking about Brooklyn Girl tonight and I thought we should give them a couple of weeks to work out the usual restaurant opening kinks. Glad that at this infant stage, the restaurant shows promise. Thanks for the report Mr. Name.

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    1. re: foodiechick
      foodiechick RE: foodiechick Apr 28, 2012 10:19 PM

      Oh, I stand corrected...Mr. Fussy.

    2. Rodzilla RE: Fake Name Apr 28, 2012 11:55 PM

      glad to hear it. I wish I could catch the menu online, might be smart that they don't have it "set" yet in case they need to make early changes.

      1. Beach Chick RE: Fake Name Apr 29, 2012 07:30 AM

        Fussy Fakey!
        Great report and couldn't be happier for Mike and Vic..if anyone can bring back our beloved Piret's back to life in that old space, it is them.
        They would kill it for breakfast.
        Did you notice if they had any veggie friendly dishes for your fave girlie?

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        1. re: Beach Chick
          Fake Name RE: Beach Chick Apr 29, 2012 07:46 AM

          It's not the Pirets space- its an entirely new space. Which means there is still hope for the corner building ; )

          I'm not in the habit of stopping dinner at the salad course, and therefore do not know of entrees suitable for rabbits and deer.

          Thus typed, it's the kind of place that will accommodate individuals who, in earlier times, would starve to death due to their limited abilities to hunt nor fish.

          I'd better stop now. ; )

          Live from breakfast at Snooz....

          1. re: Fake Name
            Beach Chick RE: Fake Name Apr 29, 2012 07:50 AM

            'I'm not in the habit of stopping dinner at the salad course, and therefore do not know of entrees suitable for rabbits and deer.'

            OMG...laughing so hard that I'm glad that Depends is snug and secure..

            1. re: Beach Chick
              DiningDiva RE: Beach Chick Apr 29, 2012 09:21 AM

              "OMG...laughing so hard that I'm glad that Depends is snug and secure.."

              OMG, I just passed sprayed coffee on the monitor laughing so hard at that one...

              1. re: DiningDiva
                Beach Chick RE: DiningDiva Apr 29, 2012 05:18 PM

                ;- )

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          mjill RE: Fake Name Apr 29, 2012 07:22 PM

          Went there Friday. Good place. Very VERY Bankers Hill but better lighting. Pork belly was excellent and would bring me back in a second. Overall, especially for a few days in, a solid place that I look forward to revisiting.

          1. Fake Name RE: Fake Name May 11, 2012 07:38 PM

            Went back tonight with Mrs Name and Mr11. Had an even better experience. Enjoyed the kale Caesar salad, and the half-chicken was excellent.

            Stay away, please.

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            1. re: Fake Name
              foodiechick RE: Fake Name May 11, 2012 10:30 PM

              No way, you can't keep us away.

              1. re: Fake Name
                cstr RE: Fake Name May 12, 2012 10:35 AM

                On my way back from breakfast, I passed a car with a licence plate that said, 'I'm Fake'. Was that yours truly?

                1. re: cstr
                  Fake Name RE: cstr May 12, 2012 11:07 AM

                  Nope. Sounds like one of the many imposter wanna-bees.

                  1. re: Fake Name
                    Tripeler RE: Fake Name May 12, 2012 06:08 PM

                    I'm wondering if Naked Fame is another one of those wanna-bees.

              2. El Chevere RE: Fake Name May 30, 2012 02:57 PM

                as an ex-NY'er will have to check out...it's got my attention since they have a little neck clams pizza, potato latkes, and matzoh ball soup on the menu.

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                1. re: El Chevere
                  El Chevere RE: El Chevere Jun 1, 2012 11:38 AM

                  Ate there the other night....not bad. Liked the vibe--very hip without being pretentious. Nice long bar for people watching--though I did arrive on a Wednesday night at 7PM and not one bar seat opened up for 45 minutes, not one (out of 20).....what, did people all arrive at the exact same time?

                  Anyways, had their complimentary popcorn with cinammon (very good) as well as their half chicken for dinner (quite good) and cheesecake for dessert. Had a craft beer (Coronado BC Idiot) and glass of red wine. Very diverse menu that I will go back and sample. Not going to say it's the best meal I had, but it was enjoyable and definitely worthy of a repeat visit.

                2. foodiechick RE: Fake Name Jun 15, 2012 11:19 AM

                  Finally got to BG last night. We are fans. Yummy Cajun popcorn. Tasty, perfectly cooked 1/2 chicken and the best restaurant pork chop I think I have every tasted (still moist and juicy!) with roasted brussels sprouts. Packed house with full bar whooping at the NBA game on the television, but noise level still manageable. Pretty interesting wine list too.

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                  1. re: foodiechick
                    Alice Q RE: foodiechick Jun 15, 2012 08:59 PM

                    We've been twice now and really like it. The oyster sliders and half chicken are fantastic. Good cocktails too. Wish it was within walking distance but it will definitely be on the rotation!

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                    shouzen RE: Fake Name Jul 30, 2012 12:33 PM

                    Anyone had the pizzas here yet? Thinking of visiting for a late dinner mid-week and am curious...

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                    1. re: shouzen
                      salustro RE: shouzen Jul 30, 2012 02:13 PM

                      we've probably been there 1x per week since it opened (it's an easy place to take people for business dinners). Of all the things on the menu, the pizzas have been the least impressive to us. The crust is a little thin and bland - the ones we've gotten don't have any blister on them. The topping are tasty, but really, nothing special compared to the rest of their menu.

                      1. re: salustro
                        shouzen RE: salustro Jul 30, 2012 02:39 PM

                        That's sad :( Like El Chevere above, I was looking forward to the littleneck clams pizza. Any specific recommendations for other dishes, then?

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                          Megbeck RE: shouzen Jul 30, 2012 03:20 PM

                          I agree the pizza isn't that exciting with tasteless crust. Sticking with the carbs, the corn bread was delicious. While I am no cornbread expert, I thought it was lovely and moist and the honeycomb on top was a perfect addition.

                          We've been a few times, mostly for the cocktails. I would still call them the real stars.

                          1. re: shouzen
                            mjill RE: shouzen Jul 30, 2012 05:00 PM

                            That littleneck pizza reads a lot better than it tastes. Was a big dissapointment when I got it. Overall, over the few times I've gone the food has gotten less and less good. Its not bad but my first visit really turned me on to the place and it hasn't kept up that expectation for me.

                            1. re: mjill
                              DiningDiva RE: mjill Jul 30, 2012 05:53 PM

                              Do you think that's because it's gotten really popular, really fast and the kitchen needed more time to get consistent? Or do you think it's just a downward trend in general.

                              Urban Solisce went through something similar when they had a really strong opening, followed by some issues until the kitchen hit it's stride, and then returned to opening form. Could that be the case with what you've experienced?

                              1. re: DiningDiva
                                Fake Name RE: DiningDiva Jul 31, 2012 05:05 AM

                                Might be what mjill experienced, but (except for the pizza) I've had a series of great meals there.

                                Lunch service started a few weeks ago- I'm hoping for breakfast.

                                1. re: DiningDiva
                                  mjill RE: DiningDiva Jul 31, 2012 09:31 AM

                                  It is probably kitchen experience related. One time my burger was cooked to death and the bun was stale, another time I had that littleneck pizza and it was dry dry dry, pork chop was a bit on the leather side ect ect. I will say they set the bar pretty high on my first trip. I do have the unfortunate habit of heading in when they are slammed, so I'd like to come in on a slower night to see what happens.

                                  I do love the oyster sliders they do. Kale caesar is top notch too.

                              2. re: shouzen
                                shouzen RE: shouzen Aug 2, 2012 07:22 AM

                                Stopped in for a late dinner last night. Just squeaked in under their 9.45pm cut-off for ordering regular menu items (the kitchen switches over to bar food only after that). Surprisingly busy for a Wednesday night, I thought - the place was still about 3/4 full.

                                Had 2 cocktails. OK, but a bit watered down - if I'm drinking something with bourbon, I'd at least like to taste it! Food was better than expected (based on comments here about their downward slide). Was intrigued by their shared plates, but wasn't feeling up to it. Would definitely be interested in going back with a larger group to sample their whole duck, porchetta, and other wood fire-roasted items.

                                1. re: shouzen
                                  Lynnester RE: shouzen Aug 9, 2012 03:13 PM

                                  Went to BG last night. This was my 2nd visit. The first was okay but last night was very good. Shared the burger. It was good and the fries were better this time around. But the porkbelly.....ohhh. Sat on some noodles in a miso sauce and was topped with a poached egg. Still thinking about it today. Could be a very decadent cravable menu item

                                  1. re: Lynnester
                                    Fake Name RE: Lynnester Aug 9, 2012 03:20 PM

                                    Doubtless, you were unusually hungry.

                          2. honkman RE: Fake Name Aug 4, 2012 10:14 PM

                            The executive chef quit today. It will be interesting to see if the former sous chef can continue with the food at BG

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                            1. re: honkman
                              foodiechick RE: honkman Aug 5, 2012 12:40 AM

                              Agreed. But he is also the former sous chef at Cowboy Star and his recipe for fried chicken was the hit that launched their "Sunday Supper" program. I'm hoping it will turn out just fine.

                              1. re: foodiechick
                                honkman RE: foodiechick Aug 5, 2012 04:02 PM

                                I don't think he will have problems cookingwise but the former executive chef resigned because he didn't apparently liked the "beyond cooking" part of the executive chef position. Like in every industry you can only be trained so much for "leading" positions in the end you only can find out once you are in such a position.

                                1. re: honkman
                                  Rodzilla RE: honkman Aug 5, 2012 10:43 PM

                                  I know any number of Chef's who aren't crazy about taking exec positions where they don't get to touch the food as much. I thought it was a very respectable move, I hope he finds/starts a place where he can be as hands on as he wants to be.

                                  1. re: Rodzilla
                                    DiningDiva RE: Rodzilla Aug 5, 2012 10:55 PM

                                    One can be as creative & hands-on in ones' own place but if one can't manage the admin piece & make the numbers work week after week, month after month one won't stay in business and all that creativity goes down the drain.

                                    Restaurants are a business. Cooking is only one part of a successful operation.

                                    1. re: DiningDiva
                                      honkman RE: DiningDiva Aug 5, 2012 11:37 PM

                                      Completely agree - being responsible for a kitchen or having an own place means so much more than "just" cooking or being resonsible for the menu.

                                      1. re: honkman
                                        Rodzilla RE: honkman Aug 6, 2012 12:07 AM

                                        I agree with that. I'm saying for those reasons it was a respectable move. Obviously restaurants are a business, and there are many more aspects to being an exec chef than menu design and cooking (depending on the resto). I was saing, if it's the cooking that he wants to do most, I'm hoping he's able to find a position where he can do so, (perhaps a smaller venue with less covers per night).

                                        1. re: Rodzilla
                                          pickypicky RE: Rodzilla Aug 6, 2012 08:16 AM

                                          Yes, but I believe restaurant owners often have the attitude that chefs are a dime a dozen, and that you can just plug a new one in when the old one leaves. For what it's worth, no one who hasn't been an executive chef can know what the pressure is like. As a friend once said of a friend of ours who is an executive chef, "He's the only person I know who really works for a living." Managing an often volatile staff, working within budget, being creative, executing flawlessly, suffering owners' demands-- and appearing as smooth as Marcus Samuelson. 7 days a week, 24 hrs a day.

                                          I haven't been to Brooklyn Girl but I couldn't help weighing in on this discussion which is at the heart of all dining out. A restaurant is only as good as its chef. That's the one variable that isn't variable. I wish the sous chef and former executive chef well in their journeys.

                                          1. re: pickypicky
                                            Rodzilla RE: pickypicky Aug 6, 2012 07:06 PM

                                            There should be a thread of really great chowhound posts.

                                      2. re: DiningDiva
                                        P Macias RE: DiningDiva Nov 15, 2012 11:08 AM

                                        I think a restaurant should have a front man as talented in PR as the chef is in creative cuisine. Teamwork, two heads better than one, etc. I really miss The Better Half, great example.

                                        1. re: P Macias
                                          Fake Name RE: P Macias Nov 15, 2012 11:14 AM

                                          and how'd that work out for them?

                                          1. re: Fake Name
                                            honkman RE: Fake Name Nov 15, 2012 12:38 PM

                                            It changed for them when they moved away from the "teamwork" approach. Without the personal problems which developed due to some issues between both key players at Better Half I think there would have been a good chance that it would still be around.

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                                TheeAce RE: Fake Name Aug 14, 2012 11:29 AM

                                We went for the first time yesterday, for lunch. Had the littleneck clam/brussels pizza, watermelon/steak salad.
                                I had their version of a whiskey sour which was wonderful, service was great and that's about it. The salad tasted ok but the greens were slightly jilted and wilted (not on purpose) and the watermelon cuts were gigantic and not well-chosen (mealy). The pizza...geez. The clams were rubber bands (I've had a lot of clam pizza in my time, these were the most difficult to chew) but the amount of cheese on that pie was obscene; there were mere hints of brussel sprouts and the crust resembled - in both texture and level of underdone-ness - one of my own failed attempts at making crust at home with a inadequately hot oven. I could almost tell that the dough had dried out and gotten a slight skin to it before they rolled it out...
                                And don't get me started on the decor, which made me think about the name of the place, which all together just seemed kind of tacktastic.

                                1. Fake Name RE: Fake Name Sep 15, 2012 09:12 AM

                                  You know I rarely post bitchy reviews. I try to avoid being an Eeyore- there are plenty here to go around.

                                  But sometimes I feel I have to warn others, and I'm warning you about Brooklyn Girl.

                                  I want to love BG. And when we were first going there, I did. But it's sadly changed.

                                  Started with a celebratory dinner with family that cost a small fortune and had some of the worst service I've experienced. When the food finally arrived, the burger was beyond well-done (despite the med-rare order) and the other food was really off the mark. They were gracious, and took the burger off, and comped dessert. But it was an indicator of things to come.

                                  I've been in for lunch since then, and while acceptable, it was sloppy, and featured the same over-cooked meat. A lunch salad with beef should be nice and red or pink- not grey. But on a lunch schedule, I didn't have time to fuss about it.

                                  Fast-forward to last night. We were greeted well, and the staff remembered we'd had a really bad expensive meal on our previous visit, and assured us it would not happen again. Nice folks.

                                  It did happen again. Three burgers, 2 med rare, one rare- all were grey. Not light pink, not even close. Mr12 was too hungry to wait, but I pushed mine back (rarely happens) as did MrsName. Apologies all over, comped the kid's burger, and new burgers were brought right away.

                                  The med rare was gray, the rare had the slightest tinge of pink. They were good- good flavor, and pretty juicy, but not rare/medrare.

                                  Yes, I know the dangers of rare ground beef, and I know restaurants are loathe to serve rare burgers- fine. Then tell me when I order you only prepare gray burgers, and I'll select another menu item.

                                  Again, the owner and staff were very kind. I really, really want to like BG.

                                  But I can't. Maybe for cocktails.

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                                  1. re: Fake Name
                                    Josh RE: Fake Name Sep 15, 2012 09:36 AM

                                    I wonder if the reason they won't cook to less than medium is their meat sourcing. Perhaps it's cheap feedlot stuff?

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                                      Dagney RE: Josh Sep 15, 2012 10:27 AM

                                      Or an untrained line staff. I am sorry to read about your experience Fake Name.

                                      1. re: Josh
                                        Fake Name RE: Josh Sep 15, 2012 10:33 AM

                                        Of course it's cheap feedlot. And I'd be happy with medium. Well, medium happy.

                                      2. re: Fake Name
                                        pickypicky RE: Fake Name Sep 15, 2012 01:59 PM

                                        This seems a perfect example of my favorite thing to bitch about. Nobody in the kitchen cares. Out front, they're more comfortable with excuses than with doing it right. (Hence comps and apologies.) A place where Barbies (or Blowfish) on the Wall matter more than food. They won't pay for real cooks and think we'll pay for the scene.

                                        1. re: pickypicky
                                          honkman RE: pickypicky Sep 15, 2012 02:16 PM

                                          I would say it is a problem of a new executive chef not up to speed yet or in general not able to lead a kitchen.

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                                            DiningDiva RE: honkman Sep 15, 2012 03:28 PM

                                            Exactly what I was thinking.

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                                              pickypicky RE: DiningDiva Sep 15, 2012 04:53 PM

                                              (You two are more generous than I am. I'm deleting my less than nice comment.)

                                              1. re: pickypicky
                                                honkman RE: pickypicky Sep 15, 2012 06:36 PM

                                                I don't think we are generous but everybody in every industry is trying to progress his/her career up to a level where he/she is not any longer competent/beyond their skillset (or can't cover up their mistakes any longer). Perhaps this is happening with the new executive chef. Either he is able to enlarge his skillset or gets moved to a career level equivalent to his skillset

                                                1. re: honkman
                                                  foodiechick RE: honkman Sep 16, 2012 01:48 AM

                                                  I think your response has a great deal of merit. But really....how large does your skill set have to be to cook a BURGER to the correct doneness?

                                                  1. re: foodiechick
                                                    Fake Name RE: foodiechick Sep 16, 2012 05:39 AM

                                                    We all know the Exec chef is not the one flipping the burgers. But (pure speculation!) he/she is the one that should be managing the person flipping the burgers, and (speculating again) it appears that management is beyond his/her skillset.

                                                    As a sidebar- we had a family discussion about the f word while dining there. My policy is that there are no "bad" words, and the f word is a particularly fine word when used appropriately by adults in appropriate (but rare) circumstances. I explained to Mr12 that the f word would be (while unavailable to him at his age) particularly useful for a restauranteur addressing kitchen staff that cannot cook a simple burger to order. Said restauranteur might even raise one's voice slightly- As in, WHAT THE F IS GOING ON BACK HERE! CAN'T YOU EVEN COOK A F'ING HAMBURGER MEDIUM F'ING RARE? YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COST MY MY F'ING LIFE SAVINGS FOR F'ING OVERCOOKED BURGERS? GO COOK AT F'ING BURGER KING FOR F'S SAKE.

                                                    1. re: Fake Name
                                                      pickypicky RE: Fake Name Sep 16, 2012 05:47 AM

                                                      I agree 100%. A chef-- if he/she is a chef with any useful experience-- only knows a valued customer's needs (ie. dinner has not been prepared properly) IF FOH makes him/her aware of it.

                                                      On the other hand if the line cook cannot cook a burger to order, then it's a BOH staffing problem.

                                                      But in the end, it's a FOOD problem which tells me the management is less interested in food prep than grandstanding. I mean, you had THREE disappointing experiences. So, maybe it suits as a neighborhood place but not as a place to actually get what you want.

                                                      1. re: Fake Name
                                                        El Chevere RE: Fake Name Sep 16, 2012 07:43 AM

                                                        You've caught one of my top pet peeves-- the inability for a restaurant to distinguish between rare, medium rare, and well done...last I checked, that's usually Chapter 1 in cooking school, unless a restaurant has plucked someone off the side of the highway to do the cooking for them...it amazes me how this very simple concept cannot be mastered. I WILL send the product back, though there is a 50/50 chance when I tell them I want it Medium rare--not medium, not well done--that the next one will come out rare and undercooked.....funny, but I remember at one place where the manager came over to me and explained that is was cooked medium rare but that it continues to cook while the server is bringing it to me--moron.

                                                        I have found a couple of places that almost always get it right--the first time.....JRDN at Tower 23, Counter, and Neighborhood...of course, I almost have to give a big production and explain to them rare is on the far left, well done is on the far right, and I want it in the middle.

                                                        1. re: El Chevere
                                                          Rodzilla RE: El Chevere Sep 16, 2012 03:59 PM

                                                          well then they should let it continue to cook so that it arrives to your table at the correct temperature ;)

                                                          I was wondering if that might be the problem at Brooklyn Girl, burgers left on a hot plate while the rest of the food is cooking.

                                                          1. re: El Chevere
                                                            cstr RE: El Chevere Sep 17, 2012 04:39 AM

                                                            'Chapter 1 in cooking school, unless a restaurant has plucked someone off the side of the highway ' that's part of the issue, these so called line cooks probably get $10. per hour straight from the highway.

                                                          2. re: Fake Name
                                                            cstr RE: Fake Name Sep 17, 2012 04:35 AM

                                                            What was Mr12's reaction to your timid example?

                                                            1. re: cstr
                                                              Fake Name RE: cstr Sep 17, 2012 05:26 AM

                                                              Looking at the post, it suggests I actually yelled it- I didn't. I use my casual dad informational tone.

                                                              And said f'ing rather than the "real word". But "f'ing" is also a term unavailable to him. At least around us.

                                            2. binkychow RE: Fake Name Sep 17, 2012 02:13 PM

                                              I have to put my 2 cents in because I too wanted BG to rock but after two less than acceptable meals, I would rather walk to Red Door and spend my money. The last visit to BG, the waiter told me the reason why my gnoochi looked like a blob of mashed potatoes is because "they were made fresh this morning". Um what? So I must have eating not fresh gnoochi all these years. Who knew? And each plate of food was so under seasoned that we actually asked for salt to brought to the table. The meal was doubly disappointing because we had started the evening with a glass of wine at the Red Door, Chef Miguel tried to tempt us to stay with a tasty appie but my girl friend was determined to try BG.

                                              Plus the noise level..... my bitter old ears were starting to bleed...

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                                              1. re: binkychow
                                                cstr RE: binkychow Sep 18, 2012 04:41 AM

                                                'The last visit to BG, the waiter told me the reason why my gnoochi looked like a blob of mashed potatoes is because "they were made fresh this morning". ' They probablty were made that morning, that is.. made inncorrectly.

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                                                mayache RE: Fake Name Nov 9, 2012 01:15 PM

                                                Anybody been more recently? Was thinking of going tomorrow, but the shift in reviews here makes me question it.

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                                                1. re: mayache
                                                  Fake Name RE: mayache Nov 9, 2012 01:19 PM

                                                  I've not been, but I'm hearing MUCH better things from sources I respect.

                                                  Don't know if that helps- it's a bit removed.

                                                  1. re: mayache
                                                    Josh RE: mayache Nov 9, 2012 06:55 PM

                                                    I heard dreadful things from a friend I trust a lot as recently as two weeks ago.

                                                    1. re: mayache
                                                      ipsedixit RE: mayache Nov 9, 2012 08:48 PM

                                                      We were there a couple of weeks ago for drinks.

                                                      I think this is your typical neighborhood eatery. Unless you live in/around the area (Mission Hills or Hillcrest), there's really no reason to go. Food is fine for what it is, but is grossly overpriced, which makes it overall less fine.

                                                      It certainly is not a destination restaurant, even if you live as close by as say downtown.

                                                      1. re: mayache
                                                        TeeBeeinSD RE: mayache Nov 11, 2012 07:56 AM

                                                        I went last weekend for dinner. Date and I split apps and cocktails. We had the shrimp and chorizo, the Vietnamese meatballs, and the sausage.

                                                        The shrimp was the best prepared in my opinion. The textures were interesting and the taste was savory and not too overpowering, the masa with the juices was worth licking the plate.

                                                        The Vietnamese meatballs were too sweet on the glaze and the texture was fairly bland. We didn't finish this dish after we each had one meatball.

                                                        The sausage was meh. It was serviceable but nothing stood out for me aside from the mustard. I find that sad as I'm an avowed carnivore.

                                                        The cocktails were good. The popcorn that they provide when you first sit down seemed stale to myself and date. When I mentioned that to the server, she replied that it was made fresh that day (that seems to be a common refrain, from having read other posts) and in addition, it was seasoned, so that may make it taste different. I replied that I thought stale is a texture, and not a taste.

                                                        The ambience was loud and crowded on a Saturday night, so obviously they're still pulling in business. I won't be going out of my way to return, however, unless someone else really wants to go.

                                                        1. re: mayache
                                                          mayache RE: mayache Nov 14, 2012 10:32 AM

                                                          Since it was for my girlfriend's birthday, I decided to pass due to the decidedly mixed reviews here (and overarching sense of inconsistency). We went to Bleu Boheme instead and enjoyed it.

                                                          1. re: mayache
                                                            scottca075 RE: mayache Nov 15, 2012 04:23 PM

                                                            I went a few days ago and they still can't cook a burger medium rare. I didn't mind all that much, it tasted fine, but I did wonder what is so hard about undercooking a burger.

                                                            Overall it was a good experience and we'll be back.

                                                            1. re: scottca075
                                                              Fake Name RE: scottca075 Nov 15, 2012 04:23 PM

                                                              I think they should just tell customers that, for health reasons, they won't cook less than well-done.

                                                              It would solve the problem right there. It's all about managing customer's expectations.

                                                              1. re: scottca075
                                                                foodiechick RE: scottca075 Nov 15, 2012 08:48 PM

                                                                I was delivered a medium-rare burger there about three weeks ago. I almost fell over in shock.

                                                                1. re: scottca075
                                                                  chris2269 RE: scottca075 Nov 15, 2012 09:58 PM

                                                                  I just had 3 burgers from 3 different places up here in North County over the last couple of weeks. All three were able to pull off a perfect Medium rare and two of the locations were dive bars where the bartender was also doing the burger orders.

                                                            2. Fake Name RE: Fake Name Jun 29, 2013 07:32 AM

                                                              Revisited BG last night and had a solid meal. Very good Fanny Bays, the usual kale Caesar, and a solid steak with Chimichurri. Peach Crumble was meh. Not BAD, but meh.

                                                              Good, overall

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                                                                foodiechick RE: Fake Name Jun 29, 2013 09:49 AM

                                                                We revisited Wednesday night and decided we removing it from our list of nearby eateries when we see a movie at landmark.

                                                                Fanny Bays were great, how can you ruin those?
                                                                Ordered the salmon special and the halibut, requesting them cooked to medium-rarish (because fish is always overcooked and this way MAYBE they would come out at least medium).

                                                                They were both so overdone we could barely cut through them with a fork.

                                                                When we showed up for at 635pm for a 630 reservation (made over the phone with the owner) they could not find it. Because it was put in for 6pm and they cancelled it at 615 when we weren't there.

                                                                Buh-bye BG.

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                                                                  DiningDiva RE: foodiechick Jun 29, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                                  I was there about 6 weeks ago with 2 friends for an early dinner. The food was fine, really we just ordered salads.

                                                                  The new oyster bar had only been open a short time and we ended up being seated in this area, which was fine, but geez of pete, the chairs in that section were murder. They make the chairs at Cafe Chloe seem like an over-stuffed recliner. Bad design choice.

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                                                                    cstr RE: DiningDiva Jun 29, 2013 10:15 AM

                                                                    Salads...Early Dinner?? that's it!!

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                                                                      DiningDiva RE: cstr Jun 29, 2013 10:30 AM

                                                                      Yeah, that was it. They were entree sized salads tho'

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                                                                        cstr RE: DiningDiva Jun 29, 2013 10:37 AM

                                                                        My heart be still......

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                                                                          ipsedixit RE: cstr Jun 29, 2013 10:49 AM

                                                                          It just leaves room for a late dinner.


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                                                                            cstr RE: ipsedixit Jun 29, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                            Oh sure.... let's hear it from someone who has trouble gaining weight!!

                                                                  2. re: foodiechick
                                                                    Fake Name RE: foodiechick Jun 29, 2013 11:53 AM


                                                                    You're a meanie-head.

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                                                                      foodiechick RE: Fake Name Jun 29, 2013 04:00 PM

                                                                      Just kinda at the point that you were several months ago. Not yucking your yum.

                                                                      1. re: Fake Name
                                                                        foodiechick RE: Fake Name Jun 29, 2013 04:05 PM

                                                                        And not yucking your MEH. Mrs. Name and I can do a much better job with that peach dessert.

                                                                        I like being called meanie-head. Kind feels like I'm back in Jr. High. ;D

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                                                                          Fake Name RE: foodiechick Jun 29, 2013 04:08 PM

                                                                          Yeah- that dessert was a real sour ending note. Again, not bad exactly, but compared to what I'm used to at home it was absolutely a miss.

                                                                          Neener, neener.

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                                                                    master815k RE: Fake Name Jul 22, 2013 11:09 AM

                                                                    I went to Brooklyn Girl last night with some friends for the first time. I have to say, I was disappointed with my meal overall. Started with the stuffed zucchini blossoms, which were the highpoint for me. It went downhill from there. Service was soo slow too. There were 6 people at the table and it took 30 min after our order to get the apps out. Then another 30 after we were done eating to get the main dishes. The guy next to be had ordered the salmon. As soon as it was put down, I felt sorry for him. It looked incredibly dry and overcooked. I ordered the flat iron steak with chimichurri med rare. How did it come out? No pink to be seen anywhere! Came with roasted (burnt on the outside but raw on the inside) potatoes and a dice of sautéed squash. I ate half of it and gave up. On the positive side, my DH ordered some kind of pasta with shrimp that he enjoyed.
                                                                    Another ordered the Bibimbap and he seemed quite happy with it. Anyway, I don't know if I will go back and give it another chance. After spending $110 for two people (including two cocktails) I think I will head to Cafe Chloe next!

                                                                    1. Fake Name RE: Fake Name Aug 2, 2013 09:17 PM

                                                                      Under the premise that one may repeatedly try things the same way and expect a different result, the Missus and I walked up to BG for dinner and a cocktail this evening.

                                                                      It was good. Solid, well prepared, enjoyable meal. I could quibble about the delay between starter and entree, but it was not all that bad, really

                                                                      I had the brick chicken, she the porchetta special.

                                                                      Interesting aside- BG seems to be very popular with groups of females, mostly 35+. A "girls night" kind of place. Highly skewed demographic.

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                                                                        DougOLis RE: Fake Name Aug 2, 2013 11:04 PM

                                                                        So, if say, one was on the hunt for a cougar, this might be the spot to visit?

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                                                                          DoctorChow RE: DougOLis Aug 2, 2013 11:20 PM

                                                                          LOL :D

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                                                                            Fake Name RE: DougOLis Aug 3, 2013 05:47 AM

                                                                            Maybe- maybe not. These are not the "cougar types"- just packs of women enjoying each other's company.

                                                                            Lots of birthday celebrations, etc.

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                                                                              El Chevere RE: DougOLis Aug 3, 2013 05:06 PM

                                                                              You would be better off at Pony Room at Rancho Valencia on a Thursday or Friday night.

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                                                                                Fake Name RE: DougOLis Sep 28, 2013 09:59 AM

                                                                                In order to satisfy the "Cougar" description, one must be an age prior to maturity.

                                                                                Otherwise, they are simply "women".

                                                                                Sure, there are often attractive women there of all ages.

                                                                            2. Fake Name RE: Fake Name Sep 27, 2013 08:01 PM

                                                                              By now, it's clear I have a love/hate relationship with BG. Tonight, I love it again.

                                                                              MrsName is traveling again, Mr13 has computer privileges for a couple hours, so what's a dad to do?

                                                                              Walk up to BG for a nice meal, that's what.

                                                                              The walk is about a mile, so this exonerates me from any calorie counting- a good start. Sidled on over to the bar, got my BG cocktail, and settled into my spot.


                                                                              Restaurant Weak.

                                                                              But not so much a crowd, and I have my own spot, so what the heck.

                                                                              Chicken Larb
                                                                              Chocolate Chip Bread Pudding.

                                                                              I also had a glass of some Russian River Chard- I'm usually an ABC guy (Anything But Chardonnay) because in California they beat the hell out of the grapes with an oak stick, making it taste like kerosene, but I make exceptions for Frenchy stuff and RRiver. It was nice. They offered a pinot.

                                                                              Pinot = the IPA of wine.

                                                                              Very good, all of it. OK, so the porchetta MIGHT not be as good as the place in La Jolla, but it's well-plated with big fat lima beans and chunks of panchetta, and it's sitting in front of me, hot from the kitchen and rendolent. The Chicken Larb MIGHT be better at Sab-e-Lee, but I can't walk there, either, and it's only a few degrees off- plus the environment is far better.

                                                                              Yes, the bread pudding could have been a few degrees warmer. But nothing wrong with it, and I enjoyed it immensely.

                                                                              Overall, a fine meal for a Friday night, and I will return.

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                                                                                DoctorChow RE: Fake Name Sep 27, 2013 08:28 PM

                                                                                A beautiful night for a walk, and a great place to be able to walk to. I'm envious. Ever since my companion moved from her place just north of Washington on Falcon, I only get over there once in a while. Sigh. Like you, I have mixed feelings about BG, but overall I think it's a pretty good place to go for pretty decent food.

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                                                                                  foodiechick RE: Fake Name Sep 28, 2013 02:09 AM

                                                                                  You need an "I survived Restaurant Week at BG" button or bumper sticker. Brave you.

                                                                                  Actually, I think BG is settling in - to exactly what it is supposed to be...a neighborhood eatery. Those usually come with highs and lows, hits and misses. Otherwise they become a destination restaurant.

                                                                                  Now, what are we gonna do about that place that is for sale on the corner of Washington and Goldfinch?!

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                                                                                    Beach Chick RE: foodiechick Sep 28, 2013 05:16 AM

                                                                                    Piret's..a girl can dream.

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                                                                                      DoctorChow RE: Beach Chick Sep 28, 2013 11:57 AM

                                                                                      Don't we wish.

                                                                                      I've read some hopefully-unlikely horror stories about possible acquisitions of this prime spot, but the last time I was more specific, FN almost had a seizure.

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                                                                                        Fake Name RE: DoctorChow Sep 28, 2013 12:03 PM

                                                                                        what- WHAT?

                                                                                        1. re: Fake Name
                                                                                          DoctorChow RE: Fake Name Sep 28, 2013 12:26 PM

                                                                                          I shouldn't have used the plural because in truth I saw just one article, somewhere. I don't recall where. It was right when the Gathering's closing was posted on this board in early August. The article I saw mentioned a number of potential suitors.

                                                                                          You had a similar reaction when I made passing reference to this at the time. Sorry I brought it up again. In any case I very seriously doubt that'll happen. Completely inconsistent demographic.


                                                                                      2. re: Beach Chick
                                                                                        Gypsy Jan RE: Beach Chick Sep 28, 2013 04:43 PM

                                                                                        Oh yes, I have such fond memories of Piret's...I attended many always good, sometimes great winemaker special dinners and greatly enjoyed assembling picnics made up using the outstanding goodies available from the deli...oh drat, now I am scaring the dogs with my drooling.

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                                                                                      El Chevere RE: Fake Name Sep 28, 2013 09:46 AM

                                                                                      I have had nothing but consistently good experiences there....love the Michael's pizza, shrimp arrabbiata, and flat iron steak with chimichurri (when available).

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                                                                                        cstr RE: Fake Name Sep 28, 2013 12:34 PM

                                                                                        I feel assured that there was no mention of the music.

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                                                                                          Fake Name RE: cstr Sep 28, 2013 12:57 PM

                                                                                          It wasn't very good, so...

                                                                                      2. Fake Name RE: Fake Name Oct 5, 2013 09:28 PM

                                                                                        Ok, tonight they pissed me off.

                                                                                        We had a 6 pm reservation for four, and three of us arrived right on time, one was on the way.
                                                                                        But we couldn't sit.

                                                                                        Noooo. All members of the party must be present before you can sit down. You'll just have to stand there. No, you can't sit down at the table and order a drink, nor you can buy a drink and a starter, no, you must stand like cattle in a feeding pen until your one more guest arrives.

                                                                                        No, you are not worthy of our service unless there are four of you, not three. Three is too little- you just stand there. No drink for you.

                                                                                        "It's just our policy- it will mess up our reservation system, it's very confusing, so that's our policy."

                                                                                        Yes, I'm certain the sky will fall the hell down if we sit at the table and order a cocktail.

                                                                                        I suppose if that one guest's car breaks down, we'd never get to eat. Or if that person became ill between the time the reservation was made and 3/4 of the party arrived, those 3 people would have to go hungry. Because the reservation is for 4, not 3.

                                                                                        And you're not allowed to sit.

                                                                                        Fortunately, the 4th guest arrived 5 minutes later. Thank non-specifichigherpower we didn't mess up their precious reservation system.

                                                                                        PS: If you're going to use cheap paper photocopies of menus, please change the pages once in a while. The stained, dirty curled-up,tattered and nasty menu that must have been through 200 pairs of hands is really gross. Thanks.

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                                                                                          DoctorChow RE: Fake Name Oct 5, 2013 10:53 PM


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                                                                                            foodiechick RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 01:27 AM

                                                                                            Ditto DC...whoa. Is that a new policy? George's used to do that but I think they dropped that policy some time ago.

                                                                                            And I agree about the menus.

                                                                                            So, how was the meal?

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                                                                                              Beach Chick RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 04:58 AM

                                                                                              Cheap dirty menus..gross!

                                                                                              Glad your friend was only 5 minutes late, any later, I would of said party of 3.

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                                                                                                cstr RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 07:02 AM

                                                                                                Maybe you shoulda acted a little skitso and said that 'Ralph' is standing right next to me can't you see him? Can't imagine what would have happened if you were a minute late, maybe a painful caining for the group in front of the other wait staffers. Did you dip yourselves in disinfectant after handling those snotty menus?

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                                                                                                  Fake Name RE: cstr Oct 6, 2013 11:47 AM

                                                                                                  It's so odd. I want so badly to enjoy this place, and I have on several occasions. I'd been traveling this week in the eastern sierras having camp meals and crappy diner food, so when MrsName texted me during my 7 hour drive that we had reservations at BG, I was SO ready for a good meal. I though they finally worked all the bugs out, and it was clear sailing.

                                                                                                  Then this pathetic slap across the face of all that is hospitality.

                                                                                                  (OK, melodramatic, but you get the idea.)

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                                                                                                    TeeBeeinSD RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 11:01 PM

                                                                                                    I recently had this happen - I think it was at Bleu Boheme. A restaurant I want desperately to love (it does indeed remind me of my beloved moules) but when they make you wait upon one person? I do not understand. I am more likely to run up my costs waiting on said person with apps and/or drinks, so the idea of making me wait is simply contrary to business! I do not understand it.*

                                                                                                    *Please, someone in the biz, enlighten me in a way that makes logic to someone who is simply a hungry (and often tired) customer!

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                                                                                                      Dagney RE: TeeBeeinSD Oct 6, 2013 11:05 PM

                                                                                                      Right? I am soooo not ever eating at BG. When we venture out to environs west for a semi-expensive meal (for us anyway), places with mediocre service like this are automatically evicted from the "go-to" list.

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                                                                                                  RB Hound RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 12:45 PM

                                                                                                  Fakey breaks his policy in a major way - wow.

                                                                                                  I'm guessing it wasn't the perfect environment for you to complain to some sort of management figure (if that would help), but are you considering firing off an email or something similar?

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                                                                                                    Fake Name RE: RB Hound Oct 6, 2013 03:17 PM

                                                                                                    It was the first time I didn't see one of the owners there- believe me, I scanned quickly.

                                                                                                    Yeah- I know most restaurant managers will tell people to ask for them when these things happen before complaining on Yelp or something. But here's my take on it:
                                                                                                    When I go out, I don't want to problem solve. I've been through mediation training, I know how to neutral-speak, I know how to resolve conflicts in a mutually-beneficial way. I realize the great stress a host/ess has doing his/her job. But I go out to dinner to a nice place TO AVOID hassle. To be welcomed as a vauled guest and customer, to enjoy hospitality- and I'm willing to pay for that. Maybe the manager can or cannot resolve the issue- but that's not good enough.

                                                                                                    I simply don't want an issue.
                                                                                                    I further understand if the reservation is for a 12-top and one person shows up, that's out of line. But when 3 of 4 are there, it's just plain dumb and insulting to make them wait. If the last person has some tragedy and does not show, a 4-top table will still be used for the party of three. There is no advantage to the restaurant to make us stand around.

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                                                                                                      RB Hound RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 04:08 PM

                                                                                                      I agree with you - just was curious if you raised the issue with the "brass" and if they had any sort of response to it.

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                                                                                                        Beach Chick RE: Fake Name Oct 6, 2013 05:58 PM

                                                                                                        ' I've been through mediation training'. . .lots of internuncius on the SD board.

                                                                                                        I would send Mike or Vic an email and let them know what you told us..
                                                                                                        I'm sure they would love to hear from the beloved Fakey.

                                                                                                        1. re: Beach Chick
                                                                                                          DoctorChow RE: Beach Chick Oct 6, 2013 07:41 PM


                                                                                                          I had to look it up!

                                                                                                          Now, I know that you aren't the pedantic type, so I guess my vocabulary just needed a new word today... :)

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                                                                                                      foodiechick RE: Fake Name Oct 7, 2013 01:51 AM

                                                                                                      You know, I have been having a similar experience at Cucina Urbana the last few months. I'm not a fan of Bertrand at Mr. A's or The Prado so CU is our go to resto when we go to the Old Globe. The last three dates we have made reservations, but every time we arrive they make us wait 5-15 minutes past the reservation time "so they have a few moments to set up the table", while several tables sit set up and empty (including 2 and 4 tops). Insult to injury, they seat people that came in after us, without reservations, before us. I understand that I am no longer in the desired 19-34 demo, but please, give me a frickin break.

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                                                                                                        cstr RE: foodiechick Oct 7, 2013 06:18 AM

                                                                                                        Gota be one of the 'beautiful people' to top someone with a reservation but, you're right is must be the demo group. The group I'm in has been demoed and put away for life!

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                                                                                                          Beach Chick RE: foodiechick Oct 7, 2013 06:42 AM

                                                                                                          ' Insult to injury, they seat people that came in after us, without reservations, before us.'

                                                                                                          Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode on this..

                                                                                                          I wouldn't tolerate this kind of bulls*t for one second.

                                                                                                      2. Fake Name RE: Fake Name May 9, 2014 09:46 PM

                                                                                                        Ok, I went back.

                                                                                                        MrsName travels often for work, and I will often duck out for a nice solo meal while she's gone.

                                                                                                        Bring a (what used to be called) book and languish.

                                                                                                        There are other neighborhood places that might be better, but I like the bar setup at BG (I don't like to sit with my back to the door) so I thought, aw, what the heck? Besides, dining solo means the noise is not a problem, and I can walk the 2-mile round trip without concern for safety and the laws of our state.

                                                                                                        Started with a perfectly prepared Manhattan (rye and Antico) two Fanny Bays ($3 each- ouch) and a very good chilled gazpacho. I moved on to a forgettable Cum Laude Super Tuscan (nothing super about it) and the lamb sirloin with pea risotto. Needed a little salt, but was very good and prepared perfectly medrare. Spot on.

                                                                                                        Then I killed a weeks worth of fit camp with a carrot cake and a cheap yet delicious Muscato.

                                                                                                        It was a very good meal.

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                                                                                                          DoctorChow RE: Fake Name May 9, 2014 09:57 PM

                                                                                                          Interesting. I thought you were never ever going to set foot in that place again after the lovely experience you had last time.

                                                                                                          Well, I guess time heals all wounds. Glad you enjoyed the meal.

                                                                                                          Nice to have neighborhood places you can walk to.

                                                                                                          [Turns green.]

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                                                                                                            Dagney RE: Fake Name May 10, 2014 10:50 AM

                                                                                                            You don't sit with your back to the door? That's a cop thing. hmm..

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                                                                                                              cstr RE: Dagney May 10, 2014 11:43 AM

                                                                                                              No, I think Fakey wants everyone to get a gander of that famous or not so famous eye shot.

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                                                                                                                Dagney RE: cstr May 11, 2014 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                Ha! Yes, this.

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                                                                                                                Fake Name RE: Dagney May 10, 2014 01:41 PM


                                                                                                                But I agree with "the cops". I'm more comfortable knowing what's coming toward me.

                                                                                                                Besides, it might be a great old friend that I'd otherwise miss.


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                                                                                                                  Tripeler RE: Fake Name May 10, 2014 05:52 PM

                                                                                                                  Or, it could be the raw shock of finding out your waiter is named Filner.

                                                                                                            2. Dagney RE: Fake Name May 31, 2014 04:11 PM

                                                                                                              Just picked up SD Mag restaurant issue. There is ad for Brooklyn Girl that features a photograph of three women cooing over a chicken.

                                                                                                              Really? REALLY? Did these people just come from central casting for Portlandia? Are people so gullible to believe chefs and cooks are galvanting around with fresh makeup and luscious hair in a damn garden with a thrift store basket?

                                                                                                              I know it's an ad...okay fine. Everyone has to look preened and pretty, but come the eff ON. This one looks like some Stepfordized chefs and cooks prancing.

                                                                                                              During my years as a server, I never saw a chef prance. Work, yes. Toil, yes. No prancing though, no flowing hair. BG, throw up a photo of your chef cooking or something, because your current ad looks fake and contrived.

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                                                                                                                honkman RE: Dagney May 31, 2014 04:31 PM

                                                                                                                you are talking about the ad and restaurant -> successful, thoughtful ad

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                                                                                                                  Dagney RE: honkman May 31, 2014 05:52 PM

                                                                                                                  True, but it was corny as all get out and does not motivate me to eat there.

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