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Rella Apr 20, 2012 07:15 AM

If one looks at the body's need for B12, it is hard to find a lot of vegetables that will supply the requirement/need.

I understand that the body stores B12, so that's a help.

But for me, finding a B12 vitamin that I know is made of plant, vs. animal. And many capsules are made from animal vs plant.

Wondering if anyone is stuck on figuring out this dilemma?

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    piwakawaka May 3, 2012 09:52 PM

    marmite.
    loads of B12 (& iron).
    if you don't like it with butter on toast (then you're crazy), a teaspoon gives a umami depth to tomato based pasta sauces etc (just add it before you salt and check!).

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      xiolablue Nov 17, 2012 02:21 PM

      Can a sublingual B-12 supplement be vegan if it lists lactose as a non medicinal ingredient but also says that it contains no animal products.
      Would the lactose be synthesized as well as?
      It is labeled as methylcobalamin suitable for vegetarians.
      Ok for vegans?

      1. re: xiolablue
        goodhealthgourmet Nov 17, 2012 03:23 PM

        if it only says vegetarian and doesn't specify vegan, don't assume - call the company to verify. what brand is it?

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          xiolablue Nov 18, 2012 04:59 AM

          Tristar naturals
          I've emailed them twice and they haven't responded

    2. GraceW Apr 22, 2012 07:20 PM

      I take B high potency complex; I know it isn't the exact same as B12, but this one is specific for stress. I ordered a special big supply from Amazon. And I needed L-carnitine... so I order everything at once.

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        Rella Apr 23, 2012 05:28 AM

        Even the B high potency complex-type of vitamins never seem to give what I expect of a combined B that is the "advocated" combination of B; IOW, the cheaper B's always are loaded up in the percentages required of the day. If they wish to offer a B combination, I have often wondered by everything is not 100% combination - if they know so darned much!

      2. MplsM ary Apr 22, 2012 07:02 PM

        Whole Foods vegetarian vitamins supposedly contain plant derived B12.

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          Rella Apr 23, 2012 09:59 AM

          Now, I'm kinda confused again. "...plant derived B-12."
          When I was just understanding that there is no such thing as "plant derived B-12."

          1. re: Rella
            goodhealthgourmet Apr 23, 2012 11:26 AM

            there are products that contain a form of B12 derived from sources like algae, seaweed, chlorella & fermented soybeans, BUT it's not usable by the human body (and even if it were, the concentrations have been shown to vary wildly). the only reliable vegetarian source of B12 in forms that humans can actually use is the one produced through bacterial fermentation that i mentioned earlier.

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              Rella Apr 23, 2012 12:40 PM

              I use to 'care about" the chlorella, algae forms, but it's been so long ago I really can't remember my objection to it after a while.

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          jennymoon Apr 22, 2012 04:48 PM

          I have the B complex vitamin from Sundown Naturals and it is specifically labeled as a vegetarian formula. The coating is vegetable cellulose, not gelatin, and it doesn't contain yeast.

          http://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Natural...

          1. meatme Apr 22, 2012 09:50 AM

            I'm not a vegetarian, but I also care about B-12. There's some evidence that the best-absorbed kind is methylcobalamin, usually taken as a sublingual lozenge or tablet. Sublinguals don't come in a capsule.

            You can try searching some of the popular vitamin-store web sites for B-12 and then narrowing down your search. Three sites that I find reliable are www.vitaminshoppe.com, www.vitacost.com, and www.swansonvitamins.com. After an initial search on Vitacost or Swanson for B12 (or B12 sublingual, or methylcobalamin), you'll see a panel on the left side of the screen with options for manufacturer, form, dosage, and special needs--including vegetarian. When you click the link for a specific product, you'll see a complete list of all of its ingredients, in case there's anything else you need to avoid.

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              Rella Apr 22, 2012 12:21 PM

              Thanks. Yes, I use from VitaminShoppe their sublingual B-12 which is made from methylcobalamin.

              http://www.naturalnews.com/032766_cya...

              says that "... methylcobalamin. This is the form that exists in nature."

              I am such a sceptic that I always ask the next question "... in nature; as in "a plant?".
              But I suppose that is about the best I can hope for.

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                goodhealthgourmet Apr 22, 2012 01:39 PM

                no such thing as B12 synthesized by plants. the only non-animal (or human) source is yeast, and in that case it's a result of bacterial synthesis.

                so when they say it's the form "that exists in nature," they mean as it exists in animal products. *however,* vegan methylcobalamin is obviously not derived from animals. it's a synthetically produced supplement that's identical in structure to the methylcobalamin present in animal tissue.

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                  Rella Apr 22, 2012 03:45 PM

                  Are you saying that the methylcobalamin (in a B-12 tablet) is never from animals, but it is always synthetic B-12?

                  Just clarifying. (You are sooo smart!)

                  1. re: Rella
                    goodhealthgourmet Apr 23, 2012 07:39 AM

                    no, i'm saying that methylcobalamin products that are labeled "vegetarian" or "vegan" are synthetic and not from animals.

                    and don't be all that impressed - it's part of my job to know these things ;)

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                      Rella Apr 23, 2012 08:41 AM

                      Thanks. I'll be impressed if I want to... :-))

                      OK, let me ask now:
                      What are B-12 methylcobalamin products that are NOT labeled "vegetarian" or "vegan" made from?

                      Hiding my eyes for fear of the answer....

                      1. re: Rella
                        goodhealthgourmet Apr 23, 2012 09:04 AM

                        don't stress - all B12 supplements are produced from microbes, so it's not like they're extracting the vitamin from animal intestines. but unless labeled as acceptable for vegetarians, it's possible that the culture or medium used to synthesize the B12 contains animal derived-products...and of course some manufacturers use additives like animal gelatin in their capsules.

                        ok, you can uncover your eyes now ;)

                        and than you for your kind words. i should have been more gracious - i've never been good at accepting compliments!

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                          Rella Apr 23, 2012 09:53 AM

                          Thanks again. Soooo:
                          As long as I look for a B-12 product that is labeled for vegans for vegetarians, I am 'good to go'?
                          Just looked at my purchase of B-12 last week which indicates 'methylcobalamin,' but nowhere does it say either of these two words, "vegan" or "vegetarian."

                          Will have to go back on their site and see if it mentions it there.
                          No, it doesn't.

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                            goodhealthgourmet Apr 23, 2012 11:14 AM

                            which brand? AFAIK, Vitamin Shoppe doesn't offer their own label of sublingual B12.

                            scratch that. i forgot they market theirs as "lozenges."

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                  Shanna Apr 27, 2012 07:59 AM

                  I recently returned my Vitamin Shoppe sublingual methylcobalamin. It took forever to dissolve under my tongue. I mean a very very long time. I contacted them about it, and was told there were a lot of complaints. I picked up another brand at Whole Foods, but it's chewable. In any case, I would prefer methylcobalamin over cyancobalamin....especially after seeing how effective it was reversihng my diabetic cat's neuropathy...the cyan B12 shots the vet gave me for her did nothing for her neuropathy.. I still purchase it from Life Links in Ca. I also think it would be most effective on humans.

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                maxie Apr 20, 2012 12:29 PM

                Vita cost sells a vegan certified liquid B-12

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                  Rella Apr 20, 2012 04:04 PM

                  Thanks. I'm looking at this.

                  Others, thanks re the yeast suggestion - it gives me hives, sad to say; however, I am not fond of the taste, so no matter.

                  1. re: Rella
                    goodhealthgourmet Apr 20, 2012 05:43 PM

                    darnit! it's usually safe for people who react to other yeasts. but i guess it doesn't much matter if you don't like the way it tastes :)

                2. goodhealthgourmet Apr 20, 2012 11:34 AM

                  do you ever use nutritional yeast in your food? 1 TSBP more than covers your daily requirement...and then you won't need to worry about supplements.

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                    onceadaylily Apr 20, 2012 01:46 PM

                    This is what I use (the Bragg's brand). I'm not overly fond of the taste (many do like it, though), but in small doses it's okay, and it easily takes a backseat to stronger flavors. I like it best on salads, roasted vegetables, pasta, and potatoes. It runs $5.99 at a local health food place here (JD MIlls), for 4.5 oz.

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                      goodhealthgourmet Apr 20, 2012 01:58 PM

                      oof, that's *really* pricey! particularly when Whole Foods sells it in bulk for $7 or $8 per POUND. i like the KAL brand - i get the 22-oz cans for $13.99 at Vitamin Shoppe.

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                        onceadaylily Apr 20, 2012 02:34 PM

                        Thanks for the heads up, GHG. I never shopped around for the stuff. I rarely venture into WF, but I'll check out their bulk bins.

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                    lollie8888 Apr 20, 2012 10:53 AM

                    Check out Klare Labs B Complex Plus. You can have your doctor order for you or you can sometimes find it on Amazon.

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