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treb Apr 18, 2012 12:54 PM

Did some reasearch, appears difficult to follow and very restricting. Anyone have experience with this?

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    ninrn Apr 30, 2012 04:46 PM

    I think part of the reason this whole acid/alkaline thing became so big was because certain people like Edgar Cayce and Georges Ohsawa, who studied ancient Eastern health systems and wanted to bring them to the West, decided it would be easier for a Western audience to accept the principles of Yin and Yang as they pertain to the diet, by referring to them as "acid-causing" and "alkalizing" respectively. Of course, that is a very poor translation of those terms.

    But if you want to try something like this, macrobiotics -- a kind of philosophy of eating started by Ohsawa in the 1950's-- is one of the earliest "alkaline diets", and may be a bit less restrictive and hard to follow than the newer ones. It does require a largely vegan diet and absolute avoidance of all sugar, but it allows cooked foods, salt, some fermented products and grains, all of which I believe are frowned upon by the proponents of other alkalizing regimens.

    1. ski_gpsy Apr 27, 2012 01:31 AM

      Numerous times over the years I've made a conscious effort to balance my body's pH. Usually it's just a matter of adding more alkalizing fruits and vegetables to my daily diet since I tend to prefer acid ash causing foods. That's been easier for me than trying to do a restrictive diet. I believe that any diet or change in eating patterns that's done gradually is more likely to be followed and have less chance of adverse reaction than a sudden drastic overhaul. So unless you are dangerously acidotic, I think that initially, simply making an effort to add more alkalizing foods to your diet could ultimately help you achieve the balanced pH you're seeking. I've seen that as my pH becomes more balanced I tend to start craving alkalizing foods so that eating an acid-alkaline balancing diet becomes easier and more natural.

      I've also learned from experience that a good nutritionist can save you time, money, and get you on the path to health faster and with less trial and error than internet research and self study. While its good to take the steps to balance the pH environment in your body with food, its also beneficial to learn why yours isn't balanced (if its something other than diet) and then to correct the underlying cause of the imbalance.

      That's been my experience.

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        paulj Apr 27, 2012 09:28 PM

        How do you determine your body's pH?

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          ski_gpsy Apr 28, 2012 09:20 AM

          The easiest way is to use pH test strips, available at most pharmacies and health food stores.

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            paulj Apr 28, 2012 01:58 PM

            Which fluid are you testing?

            I used strips like that years ago, with the idea that making urine more acid (with cranberry juice) would reduce my kidney stone incidence (didn't accomplish anything).

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              ski_gpsy Apr 29, 2012 10:27 AM

              Urine.

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                paulj Apr 29, 2012 01:54 PM

                So what's the ideal? why?

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                  ski_gpsy Apr 29, 2012 11:30 PM

                  The ideal varies depending on time of day i.e. upon awakening, after eating etc.

                  A balanced pH environment is desirable because a number of adverse conditions can occur in an environment that is imbalanced.

                  There is a lot of information on the net about acid/alkaline foods, diet, pH balance and the need for pH balance. If you're interested or feel that you may have a health condition that could be a result of pH imbalance, the net is a good place to start. In my opinion a good nutritionist is even better.

      2. wekick Apr 18, 2012 06:26 PM

        What do you hope to do with this diet?

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          treb Apr 19, 2012 07:22 AM

          Just listening to someone talk about it and then I did some reasearch. Appears to be interesting but quite restrictive and not sure if the body works in that manner.

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            applgrl Apr 22, 2012 10:57 AM

            It doesn't.

            http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryR...

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              wekick Apr 22, 2012 11:43 AM

              You would have to consider why you want to alkalinize your diet before you discard the notion. If you have gout, depending on why you have it, an alkaline diet can be beneficial. Some theorize that it increases the solubility of uric acid and take baking soda as well with dramatic results. Not sure of the exact metabolic effect but it does alkalinize the urine. It is also helpful if you have kidney stones from uric acid. I wouldn't take baking soda though without talking with your health care professional first as it contains a lot of sodium and would need to be considered in your daily intake of sodium.

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                applgrl Apr 22, 2012 08:24 PM

                "If you hear someone say that your body is too acidic and you should use their product to make it more alkaline, you would be wise not to believe anything else the person tells you."
                Gabe Mirkin, M.D. quoted from the Quackwatch link above.

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                  wekick Apr 22, 2012 09:52 PM

                  I'm not sure what you mean by this quote as neither one of us has mentioned the body being "too acidic" or using a specific product to make it more alkaline. If you are acidotic, you have a lot more problems than can be fixed with an alkaline diet.

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                    treb Apr 23, 2012 09:23 AM

                    Yes, using their products, that's the one major item that had me wonder if this was just a way to get you to buy the supplements vs does it, the diet, really do something for your health.

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                      wekick Apr 23, 2012 12:01 PM

                      Whose products? The "who" has never been mentioned. There are generic alkaline diets used therapeutically for specific medical problems and I thought this is what you were referring to. If you are referring to a specific "they" and "theirs" with supplements, it would be helpful to post the website or at least give the name of the person or company touting that diet so we know the specifics.

                      How do you know you are even talking about the same thing if no trade names are given?

                      One comment about this quote.
                      "If you hear someone say that your body is too acidic and you should use their product to make it more alkaline, you would be wise not to believe anything else the person tells you."
                      Gabe Mirkin, M.D. quoted from the Quackwatch link above.

                      This really needs to be in context of the article -There are situations where yes your body is too acidotic and you will need some of their(a health care professional's) "products" and interventions to fix that. This would be in the emergency/critical care setting--so believe them.

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                        lilmsmuffin Apr 23, 2012 05:14 PM

                        The inverse is also true - I have myself required urgent CCU care due to being in metabolic and respiratory alkalosis. It is indeed possible to throw the body's pH off - but it is never a good thing. You can take my word for it.

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