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SBackes Apr 16, 2012 10:50 AM

I just got two Beachbum Berry Tiki drink books and there are a few ingredients I can't use due to having a nut allergy.....so I'm looking for substitutions

---Falernum....I may have to resort to making my own and just leaving out the almond unless someon has a better solution

--Orgeat syrup.....just use simple syrup instead?

--Cherry heering......this one has me stumped.....any ideas? Would the Rothman & Winter Cherry Orchard work? (waiting to hear back from the company to see if that's nut free)

--Pernod said they were not safe, may try and substitute Herbsaint if its safe.....any other substitutes?

Any suggestions appreciated!
thanks

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    jaykayen Sep 4, 2012 01:02 PM

    Double post.

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      navanax Sep 4, 2012 12:57 PM

      I know, a bit late.

      Almond extract is often made of 'bitter almond oil' which is actually apricot kernels (relatives to almonds). You may not be allergic to it, in which case you could add a couple drops to simple syrup and make a substitute almond syrup/orgeat. It won't have the milky quality of orgeat, but the taste will make a subtle difference in the drinks.

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        kathryn Apr 18, 2012 05:03 PM

        You might want to email him directly, he is very responsive. Sorry about your nut allergy preventing the making of tiki drinks!

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          SBackes Apr 18, 2012 07:24 PM

          Thanks Kathryn, great idea!

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          jaykayen Apr 17, 2012 03:20 PM

          I have put a small splash of almond milk in my drinks along with simple syrup instead of orgeat.

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            SBackes Apr 17, 2012 03:29 PM

            thanks, but with an almond/nut allergy that would be a bad idea ;) May work for others who just don't have orgeat on hand though

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            ncyankee101 Apr 16, 2012 01:23 PM

            Some people have said that Amaretto is a reasonable subsitute for Orgeat, and DiSaronno is nut free (made from peach or apricot pits).

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              SBackes Apr 16, 2012 02:51 PM

              thanks....I think my boyfriend bought some DiSaronno so maybe I'll give it a try (never had it.)

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                EvergreenDan Apr 17, 2012 04:40 AM

                If the recipe calls for genuine orgeat, I'd substitute only very small amount of DiSaronno. As Yarm said, the almond flavor of orgeat is like an actual almond meat; DiSaronno is more like almond extract. I'd use at most 1/4 of the amount specified in the recipe to avoid overwhelming it.

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                1. re: EvergreenDan
                  Dapuma Apr 17, 2012 10:16 AM

                  Remixed has a lot of recipes without orgeat in it, it think the OP should be fine making at least half the drinks in that book if not more, and that is 100+ should be a fine start into tiki land

                  just no mai tai or singapore sling

                  one of my fav in that book is a Skin Diver - its pretty awesome but kind of a pain to make - but that makes it all worthwhile

                  i recommend making a double, it is on the same page as the Saturn, which is also a good drink but made with gin

                  enjoy

            2. Dapuma Apr 16, 2012 12:23 PM

              Cherry Heering doesnt got in much other than a singapore sling, so i wouldnt worry too much about that one

              i would agree herbsaint is a good sub if that works for you

              falernum make your own that should work as well

              the orgeat i think that is tough as it is supposed to taste like almonds and made with them...simple syrup is not a sub

              not everything takes orgeat with good falernum you can make a lot of stuff -

              1. yarm Apr 16, 2012 12:07 PM

                Paul Clarke's Falernum #8 should be good to go if you leave out the few drops of almond extract. To me, falernum contributes lime peel, sugar, and clove more than other flavors.
                http://www.cocktailchronicles.com/2006/07/28/falernum-8/

                Real orgeat (like BG Reynolds) is rather mellow (many brands like Fees, Ferrara Orzata, etc. are made with extract and taste more intense but in an out-of-a-bottle sort of way). Perhaps a darker sugar syrup like jaggery (look at Indian food stores) or panela (ethnic aisle of some supermarkets, spanish food stores otherwise) to add more flavor/richness than just sweet will come closer to real orgeat. Neither of these sugars will seem like the extract versions though.

                R&W Cherry is less like Cherry Heering. Luxardo Sangue Morlacco from what I recall is a bit closer. Depends how much you're using in the drink. In many Tiki drinks, the recipes are highly specific and held sacred despite being often lost in the mix. Heering has wood aging and spice notes that the others seem to lack.

                With the amount of Pernod used in most drinks (6-8 drops to no more than 1/4 tsp), it's the anise note that rings out. Herbsaint will work just fine for that.

                http://cocktailvirgin.blogspot.com/

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                  SBackes Apr 16, 2012 02:49 PM

                  that's the falernum recipe I was thinking of trying :)

                  I got the Herbsaint but there isn't any Luxardo Sangue Morlacco available near me.

                  I'm not going to worry too much about the Orgeat and lack of richness since I've never had it and won't know what I'm missing lol.....just want to make up for the sweetness it brings to the drink

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