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What is so pioneer about her? Have you seen her kitchen?? Her RANCH?

I have a friend who lives completely off the grid in Wyoming. They make their own electricity, grow everything they eat..and can tons of it for winter. She cooks from a real wood stove and the only heat in her grandparents homestead is wood heat. They raise and slaughter their own lambs, chickens, and pigs... and they hunt. They barter for beef and bison. They have their own eggs, they have sheep that they sheer and she actually spins the wool! They have Molly the cow who just had a baby and Marcia also has goats...and shemakes her own cheese, butter, cottage cheese, sour cream, yogurt, kefir...etc... They use a composting toilet for chrissakes! She barters her goats milk etc. for goat lotion and soap!

They work their butts off but they love it. Going out in July to spend some time.

I would watch a show like that...wouldn't you? Too classy for Food Network. Have to be PBS.

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  1. Why don't you go to her blog, ask why she chose that name (long before she got a FN show)?

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    1. re: paulj

      Did you read the rest of my post? It isn't about hating on Pioneer Woman.

    2. There is no shortage of Pioneer Woman blog & show hate on the interwebs who obsess over the comings and goings of the Drummond ranch in OK. She's the heiress to the Paula Deen hate, I believe......

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      1. re: stellamystar

        seriously, stellamystar!

        envy and resentment. ugh.

        1. re: stellamystar

          I don't hate her....at all. Did you read my post? :)

          1. re: stellamystar

            No, I've disliked her far longer than Paula Deen has been a hissing and a byword. i don't dislike her, personally, but the whole show turns my stomach for reasons I can't really even find words for. Cloying and corny perhaps.

            To each his own.

          2. she's got a blog, it seems she's got a successful tv show, and envy may follow.

            I haven't seen much of the house and am confused where she cooks. is that a set kitchen, a community hall or her kitchen in her house?

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              1. re: iL Divo

                I'm not sure, but I believe that it is the kitchen in the guest house on their property.

                    1. re: melly

                      Evidently if you wanted to focus on your real pioneer, you should not have brought up the TV one. You've let the cat out of the bag.

                        1. re: melly

                          Not "whatever." You put her in the title of the thread, then started the thread with a comment about her. If you truly wanted to just talk about your friend living off the grid in Wyoming, then maybe you should have just left it at that, chosen a different title.
                          What is your point? It's confusing. It seems like you are comparing your friend to Ree Drummond.

                      1. re: melly

                        we must have been "mislead" by the title "Pioneer Woman" as it is the name of the FN show

                    2. re: jw615

                      Yes, the guest house's kitchen. Haters will note that she remodeled it to its current size with the secret plan to host her own TV show there. Because she's got THAT much money and ambition -- the horror!

                      1. re: emily

                        Yes, the Lodge. I really like a lot of elements of that remodel.

                  1. I would love to watch a show about how your friend lives. My cousin is practically engaged to a boy in VT who has a similar lifestyle and she loves it.

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                      1. re: melpy

                        Thank you. I think I just posted in the wrong place but not sure where else I should have posted it! Geez.. Talk about haters.

                      2. As I understand it her name started out as a joke among family and friends, and then she spun it into her brand. I don't think it was ever meant to be taken literally. Sure, I'd check out a show about your friend that lives off the grid, I'm sure it would be interesting. Of course, then there would be a thread about how this person sold out to be on TV.

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                        1. re: Mattkn

                          She would never do that. Sell out to be on TV. She might allow someone to follow her around for a few days with a small camera crew but I think that would be about it.

                            1. re: alkapal

                              Yes, yes and yes to both Alkapal and Mattkin!

                          1. Melly - I would definately watch a show about that type of lifestyle.

                            I have a theory on the negative attitudes about PW.

                            I followed her blog for years and enjoyed it, especially the parts about their dating and early marriage years.

                            Then the show rolls around and it seemed like she was being portrayed as some average house wife with a blue-collar, country-bumpkin farmer husband when the reality is quite different. For whatever reason, that rubs some people (including me) the wrong way. Not that changing one's branding is anything new for the sake of self-promotion is anything new....

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                            1. re: cleobeach

                              http://www.livingoffgrid.org/off-grid...
                              Les Stroud, Survivorman, did a documentary on living off the grid. I haven't seen it.

                              Discovery had a few episodes of an extended family living outside of Homer, Alaska. There was some home life, though most they dealt with caring for the cattle, collecting wood, hunting and fishing in preparation for winter.

                              And the perennial PBS fundraiser, Alone in the Wilderness.

                              There have been other bits and pieces on living away from modern conveniences and utilities. But the Stroud self-filming approach probably is least intrusive.

                              1. re: paulj

                                That PBS show 'Alone in the Wilderness' documenting pioneer Dick Proenneke is absolutely mesmerising. The guy made his own hand tools, then built his own cabin, food locker, boat, clothes, and hunts, fishes, and drags a primitive movie camera through the snow to film it all. I wish he were my pappy! I have never seen such hard work depicted so gracefully. God bless him...

                                1. re: silence9

                                  I will watch Alone in the Wilderness any time it's on. It just sucks me in. It's like when Apollo 13 comes on for my husband ... everything else, no matter how many times you see it, just can wait.

                                  1. re: silence9

                                    I too watched the original PPS oc. on DP. It was very good. Read the book too.
                                    What REALLY ticked me off was after he died PPS got their paws on some of Dicks letters.
                                    Then they had the NERVE to send a film crew up with a then ailing old Dick to where he built his cabin and filmed 'so-called' scenes of Dick with the same dude who did the voice of Dick in the original reading from Dick's letters. The crew tried it's best to make it seem what we were watching was actually more original footage. The tip-off of course was these 'film clips' were actually taken with video cameras and the cameras MOVED!!!! following Dick when the scene was supposed to have been taken from Dicks Super 8 sitting on a tripod.
                                    I can't stand that sort of BS!
                                    You can check out how PPS 'manipulated' the footage on Youtube.

                                  2. re: paulj

                                    I saw that Les Stroud doc and it was so much fun. They brought in a well-witcher to find them a place to dig for water, they had to snowshoe in to the site after winter set in, the whole nine yards.

                                  3. I think the moniker "Pioneer Woman" is kind of tongue in cheek. I knew of her web site way before FN got a hold of her and she has a fun sense of humor sometimes. This blurb from the homepage of her site will give you a clue:

                                    "I'm a desperate housewife. I live in the country. I channel Lucille Ball, Vivien Leigh, and Ethel Merman. Welcome to my frontier!"

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                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                      I thought her blog was ok but then I saw her on TV and was comPletely turned off and annoyed. Some writers don't transfer well to screen and vice versa.

                                      1. re: melpy

                                        "Some writers don't transfer well to screen and vice versa."

                                        I agree with you there melpy.

                                        I don't dislike her show, but I agree her web site is so much better.

                                      2. I should have titled this post...A Real Pioneer Woman..would you watch a show like this?

                                        I have a friend who lives completely off the grid in Wyoming. They make their own electricity, grow everything they eat..and can tons of it for winter. She cooks from a real wood stove and the only heat in her grandparents homestead is wood heat. They raise and slaughter their own lambs, chickens, and pigs... and they hunt. They barter for beef and bison. They have their own eggs, they have sheep that they sheer and she actually spins the wool! They have Molly the cow who just had a baby and Marcia also has goats...and shemakes her own cheese, butter, cottage cheese, sour cream, yogurt, kefir...etc... They use a composting toilet for chrissakes! She barters her goats milk etc. for goat lotion and soap!

                                        They work their butts off but they love it. Going out in July to spend some time.

                                        I would watch a show like that...wouldn't you? Too classy for Food Network. Have to be PBS I guess.

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                                        1. re: melly

                                          You should watch the old episodes of Frontier House from PBS. It was very.... pioneer. And interesting.

                                            1. re: stellamystar

                                              I was really excited to watch that short series when it came on and then soon became very disappointed. At the time, I had though to myself, "Wow, a reality show that I would be generally interested in watching, and, since it is PBS, I can be sure that this will not be about Drama".

                                              Damn, was I wrong.

                                            2. re: melly

                                              ok, you posted this once already but have now changed the first sentence - did we not adequately "get" it the first time? yawn.

                                            3. Trust me, melly, the PW is just warming up! Ree recently announced her next big project:
                                              http://thepioneerwoman.com/homeandgar....

                                              This gal, is in it for the long stretch. Don't get sidetracked by the timeline of fame good CH's...success comes in odd spaces. Following along can be fun if you take it all in stride.

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                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                What do you think they doing with that building?

                                                1. re: cleobeach

                                                  I'm thinking multi-use right off the bat. But I have no immediate information to share. We'll know soon enough!

                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                    I would definitely watch a show about your friend. Reminds me of the "Little House" series which I read as a child.

                                                    1. re: Bethcooks

                                                      Same here. Going to visit her for a few days this summer. Can't wait. She just finished making her own cheese (3kinds) butter, and cottage cheese..and kefir..etc. Molly the cow is a cute cow too.

                                                  2. re: cleobeach

                                                    http://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barns...

                                                    cleobeach, friends back home emailed me this article. It's light on deals but outlines a joint venture between several for what appears a mixed use reno.

                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                      It's going to include a deli-style restaurant. That's all I've read so far.

                                                    2. re: HillJ

                                                      You are correct, HillJ. The FN show is riding off the name of her blog, which already had a substantial following. I don't think the FN show was ever intended to portray her as a real "pioneer woman". She started out blogging by recounting how a city slicker gal got turned into a pioneer woman after being swept off her feet by Marlboro Man -- all very much tongue-in-cheek. The original blog spawned a secondary blog that revolved around cooking. She is very astute at self-marketing, and got her big break when she parlayed her blog popularity into a Thanksgiving dinner throw-down challenge to Bobby Flay. FN must have sensed an opportunity as well, because her blog followers created a huge audience for the throw-down episode, the episode validated her on-screen abilities and appeal, and the rest is history.. To think it all started with a humble blog. More power to her.

                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                        Man that's a lot to read pheeeew

                                                      2. When the culinary school posted the chef behind PW, it hadn't been much of a secret in my circles but with her 2nd cookbook out PW did credit Chef Poe in print. I thought you all might enjoy the read:

                                                        http://plattcolleges-culinary.blogspo...

                                                        And, the article back in May blew our minds, PW inspires....
                                                        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/fas...

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                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                          I am not sure what the "gotcha" tone is all about....I dont know one single cookbook author that doesnt have help. Most of us just dont feel the need to brodcast our input.

                                                          1. re: LaLa

                                                            Nothing gotcha about it, Lala. PW provided credit to her ghost writer and associate with this new cookbook. I thought CH readers following along threads like this one would be interested. I know we all found it interesting at the office. Enjoy!

                                                            The gal from NYC on the other hand did blow our minds.

                                                        2. For the first time that I've noticed Ree is answering a great deal of questions and putting some (too) long standing assumptions to rest.

                                                          http://thepioneerwoman.com/confessions/

                                                          Say what you will, believe what you will.. given all the scrutiny and ridiculous viral BS, Ree has remained classy and kind to her readers.

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                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                            I really love her, and I would like to have her life. I do agree that her show is a little... off. But I really like reading her blog.

                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                              Just checked and at least one of her "fan sites" still seems to be active. Hard to imagine that much bile induced energy directed at anybody.

                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                That is a good blog post. I also liked her husband's post.

                                                              2. Pioneer woman is an idiot, cooking-wise. She gives some bad advice,for sure.

                                                                And her husband portrays himself as a total asshole.

                                                                Ugh...

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                                                                1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                  I've made a few of her recipes and they were good. So, how is she an idiot, cooking wise? It's not fine cuisine for sure but the recipes, at least the ones I've tried, do work. My SO especially has enjoyed them.

                                                                  And I don't think her husband seems like an asshole at all...just a normal "man of few words" type guy. And he's super hot.

                                                                  1. re: juliejulez

                                                                    I don't think she's an "idiot" cooking wise. But I don't think she's original or creative. She takes the recipes of others and pawns them off as her own. I've seen it so many times with her and Paula Deen. I don;t want to rehash it, but that's why neither has my respect as cooks. As businesswomen and personalities they've found ways to create lucrative careers. But it's not from their ability to create dishes.

                                                                    1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                      Does she really make a big deal about inventing new things? Most recipes build on others, some times with minor changes, others major. But few print recipes give academic style citations, and few still on TV. I don't even recall credits on Good Eats.

                                                                      1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                        If you read her web site which she had way before her TV show, she always credits the sources of her recipes. She does the same on the FN site.

                                                                          1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                            I read the marlboro woman website for 15 mins and got a nasty headache. That much time spent ranting is just plain unhealthy.

                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                              Yeah anytime some goes ballistic, it's useless.

                                                                  2. eh-- she is a "lifestyle" model for those homeschooling moms in the midwest..or those women who feel traped in the city and want to go ohhhh how nice. .. NOt someone you really want to learn to cook from....The Pioneer Women thing actually comes from the area she she in..it is an inside joke that gets lost on the masses... The Drumonds are a big family big family and Dee is really goofy and down to earth.. My mom graduated from Bartlesville High the class under her.

                                                                    1. She's an ICA judge tonight (episode 3 of the current Tournament).

                                                                      1. Love the Marlboro Woman site. Sure it's seared criticism, but given the fact Ree Drummond is a self-proclaimed "little ol' ranch wife," I appreciate reading a blog that's taken pains to uncover the truth behind the Pioneer Woman deception.

                                                                        Plus the Wall Street Journal just mentioned this site in a recent article. Kudos to the authors.

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                                                                        1. re: LindyCindy

                                                                          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...

                                                                          If you are referring to this WSJ article and the sentences that actually mention the marlboro woman (honestly did it lead anywhere?), I think it's only fair to link the entire article on PW.

                                                                          What the WSJ wrote:
                                                                          "Signaling that the Pioneer Woman has arrived, Ms. Drummond is a magnet for parodies and criticism. Blogs with names like themarlborowoman delight in skewering her rose-colored view of life. Some doubt one woman really can do it all."

                                                                          If there is another article, please add the link.

                                                                          1. re: LindyCindy

                                                                            A one time skewering could have been hilarious (done by someone with talent) but Marlboro woman seems to be trying to make a career of it. Jealously bordering on the psychotic in my opinion.

                                                                            1. re: kengk

                                                                              I agree. One thing about mean, nasty, or dirty humor is that, first and foremost, it needs to actually be HUMOR.

                                                                          2. She's a culinary dumbell

                                                                            Way too many if her instructions are just so wrong

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                                                                            1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                              Way too many what? She's a dumbbell? A little punctuation, please.

                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                I think it was supposed to be "Way too many **of** her instructions are just so wrong"

                                                                            2. I'm from South Dakota, and can't stand that show. Pioneer? I don't think so.

                                                                              I'm sure she's a nice neighbor and all, but that's NOT pioneer living whatsoever.

                                                                              Many of the recipes aren't really recipes, and are not challenging or interesting at all.

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                                                                              1. re: natewrites

                                                                                natewrites, everywhere Ree Drummond appears she is asked "where did the name PW come from" and once again she tells the story about her nickname and so on. At this point, Ree's probably explained the PW (now a brand) story thousands of times, right? At any point did her readers really get tricked into some false credential? I doubt it. I've been reading the PW blog since her very first photo calendar for charity, watched her unfold on the Net before the masses, seen her handle naysayers and personal attacks with humor at book signings, still protect herself and her family and make some real money in the process. Ree has a team. Anyone who believes Ree has fooled dozens and dozens of people in the process is just not that into her....and it would appear that Ree is okay with non fans too.

                                                                                There are plenty of folks challenging bloggers who have carved a niche and a career path from a meager blog and I still wonder what gives.

                                                                                I wonder, if this chick is not your cup of tea, no problem-don't read the blog, watch the show, buy the books.

                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                  agree HillJ.....
                                                                                  from my standpoint I think her show oughta be called "the smiling woman" as I've never seen her not smiling-she's gotta be one happy lady.

                                                                                  1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                    Too funny! The entire Drummond family smiles.

                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                      Except that sullen and unappreciative husband

                                                                                      1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                        Cause we see more of Marlboro Man's backside in a pair of chaps ...

                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                          Which works fine for me. :-)

                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                            Maybe a severe lack of physical appeal factors into my dislike, but MM's buttocks do NOT factor into my Lovely Thoughts. I think they're physically unattractive in a way that bugs me. No, I'm not Hollywood-minded, Mario Batali's attractive to me for his insanely quick wit and intelligence. The Extra Virgin couple is weird-looking to me, too, but I've become very fond of that show.

                                                                                            1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                              I've never had an opinion about the physical appearance of any Drummond family member. They sure do smile a lot. Beyond that, I really don't have much of an opinion.

                                                                                              I find that when folks dislike something, it really doesn't matter why. When you're just not that into something, any reason suits.

                                                                                        2. re: HillJ

                                                                                          when I smile that much @ work my face hurts :(

                                                                                            1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                              my continuos smile can easily last waaaaaay too long-that's it I'm gonna stop :)))

                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                  you as well (((HillJ)))
                                                                                                  and thankful to be able to say I am indeed a happy lady > God is good

                                                                                          1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                            ....in the quiet of the early morning I'm watching her now with a new episode before beautiful man awakens. enjoying this one as I'm learning that apple fritters may be a good addition to a recipe file for any # of reasons. probably my changup could be more spices in the batter&cooking down the apples a bit before (cooling after cooking then adding) folding them into the batter. can't see how the apples cook enough going into the batter totally raw.

                                                                                            1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                              And pre-cooking them will prevent them from leaching juices into the batter when they are fried...

                                                                                              1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                more for personal preference I think.
                                                                                                there's an apple pie that calls for cooking the apples before adding to the crust before baking. now as much as I'd agree that long cooking times in the oven for baking a pie can and should be enough to nicely soften the apples, it in fact has proven to be a misnomer to me. Placerville is known for their apples and apple farms and every year while living there, we'd drive to Placerville and gather up apples for their famous apple cake recipe. but while gathering, I'd often ask for help with what sort of apples. well, they can offer wrong suggestions too and you end up baking cardboard apple pies, not a good thing. MIL's favorite Rome Beauties. although her apple pies were good enough, certainly not my favorite. I was indeed biased.

                                                                                        3. re: natewrites

                                                                                          "I'm from South Dakota, and can't stand that show. Pioneer? I don't think so.

                                                                                          I'm sure she's a nice neighbor and all, but that's NOT pioneer living whatsoever."

                                                                                          I believe the "Pioneer" part of her moniker is said/written with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

                                                                                                1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                  Nor a Contessa. Story goes, the store BC had been named by its original owner in tribute to the 1954 film starring Ava Gardner.

                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                    Yes, she bought an already thriving institution in Easthampton with the name. The recipes are from the store, many of them, and the show is named for it, Ina isn't.

                                                                                        4. I know it is not as if she is a "pioneer woman" but I like the show and it is nice to see a happy family on tv.

                                                                                          The one I really think is much more of a fake and politely pushes around her guest in the kitchen is Trisha, don't particulary think much of her

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                                                                                          1. re: dolly52

                                                                                            Agree about Trisha, I only like her show when she sings.

                                                                                            1. re: dolly52

                                                                                              Thank you! I thought I couldn't be the only one who noticed how passive aggressive Trisha is in the kitchen.
                                                                                              Little Miss Bossy Pants and everyone kowtows to her.
                                                                                              Being rich and famous (and married to Garth Brooks) doesn't give you a right to talk down to anyone-especially family!

                                                                                              1. re: dolly52

                                                                                                Dolly-her little boys are sooo cute

                                                                                              2. I don't begrudge Pioneer Woman her success, but there's nothing I can learn from her show. Her cooking is very amateur in my opinion. I think she feeds her family wayyyy too much butter, cream, and sugar. I'm in no way a health food fanatic but jeeze....
                                                                                                The recipes on her blog drive me crazy; way too many pictures of each painful step. How stupid does she think we are??

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                                                                                                1. re: Annief123

                                                                                                  I guess the same people who were raving on Twitter about how amazing The Kitchen was this morning are the same who think she is wonderful. I haven't yet seen a recipe of hers that I want to try.

                                                                                                  1. re: Annief123

                                                                                                    You have to consider the physical activity her family does... running a ranch burns a lot of calories! She's the only overweight one, because she's not out there working the cattle etc. But yes, a lot of her recipes are not healthy for the every day person. I do know everything I've tried of hers, my SO loves. I find it to be decent, not the best but certainly not the worst. I also enjoy reading her blog... I have basset hounds too so I of course enjoy her doggie posts :)

                                                                                                    As for the step by step pictures, yes, annoying. But I could see how most of them are helpful for someone new to the kitchen.

                                                                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                      It's basic American comfort food.

                                                                                                      It might be less the workload and more the fact that she is the only middle-aged female in her family - there is a weight curse on this category of the species.

                                                                                                      1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                        She dumps so much processed sugary crap into everything, too. Where calories come from matters much more for health than their number. YECCH. It grosses me out, I just can' watch it, Nobody can work hard and live on such preparations healthfully. Plus, just... ICK.

                                                                                                        Thing is, I like her, I wanted her cooking to be better because I like her manner and sincerity.

                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                          I'm not a fan of her style of cooking. It's not challenging enough for me and yes, she uses too much butter/sugar/cream/oil/salt for my preferences.

                                                                                                          Then again as it's been pointed out the Drummonds are an active ranching family and believe it or not the high calorific meals can be handled by people who are physically active outdoors all day long. I once read a description of a typical day's breakfast on a Mennonite farm in Pennsylvania and the family was eating not just bacon, sausage, eggs, but also pancakes, pies and scrapple, all washed down with gallons of full fat milk. Judging from the photos none of the farm family could be called overweight by any stretch of the imagination.

                                                                                                          When my mother was a child in the 1940s/50s her family had either bacon, sausages or fried country ham, along with eggs and toast for breakfast every single day, something I can barely fathom given that I find a small serving of yoghurt more than enough to keep me filled till lunch. But while they weren't a farm family they walked to school/work/shops a great deal more than a modern family does and that is where the difference lies.

                                                                                                          1. re: Roland Parker

                                                                                                            It's not the calories that concern me; it's the composition of the meals.

                                                                                                        2. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                          Love when her basset hounds are on.
                                                                                                          I still think she should be aware of all the fat she uses in regards to her family.
                                                                                                          My husband and I have always been very thin but yet we have high cholesterol. We grew up with butter, butter and more butter. So even though we had these skinny active kids, I don't don't take for granted that they can handle a high fat diet.
                                                                                                          Still, there's no denying she's done very well. A couple years back I read in Forbes her blog was generating $1,000,000 a year, yikes!!

                                                                                                          1. re: Annief123

                                                                                                            PW is a spoke woman for the butter industry at present. You could say she's making her dough from plenty of bread & butter :)

                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                              Interesting!
                                                                                                              At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, I guess in her shoes I'd be bringing out the butter too.

                                                                                                              1. re: Annief123

                                                                                                                OK, here's PW's own words about her Land-of-Lakes promotion:
                                                                                                                http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/20...

                                                                                                                She might be upfront about this on her blog, but I doubt if FN allows her to hawk this butter by name on her show.

                                                                                                                When I do a search on FN for 'Ree butter' I only get 3 recipes.
                                                                                                                http://www.foodnetwork.com/search/del...

                                                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                  There's no way she could increase the amount of butter without sliding out of the kitchen on a slick of it! :-)

                                                                                                                  I suspect it's the quantities she uses that got her the gig in the first place.

                                                                                                                  I often cook with butter, cream, cheese, etc. No low fat stuff for us, but even I find the amounts of it she uses astonishing and I can't imagine it being optimal for mouth feel or flavor.

                                                                                                                  Tweecherown.

                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                    While her contract with FN is in I believe it's 3rd season (is that right) Ree Drummond has contracts with several companies and outlets that support her entire brand and brands she enjoys endorsing. It would appear the PW has gotten over her fear of flying and public speaking over the last few years. More power to her.

                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/S...

                                                                                                                      Nope, according to this earlier article (5/2013) PW is in its fifth season with FN.

                                                                                                                    2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                      I don't know why I'm so interested in these postings. I guess I find her succes fascinating. She's the perfect example of someone living the Ameican dream.
                                                                                                                      The three recipes that come up on a search....all loaded with butter, what a hoot!

                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                        LOL, she gets excited unwrapping the butter, loves the paper it's wrapped in. Well, then...

                                                                                                                        1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                          It's all about the storytelling. PW is a good storyteller. Can't you see the butter folks saying, Ree tell us YOUR butter story...rolling....I believe there are 3 such infomericals.

                                                                                                                          Of course, the food blog, something like six published books, all the voice and visual work, her own photography. In my mind, it all adds up. Ree Drummond knows how to tell a story.

                                                                                                              2. re: Annief123

                                                                                                                Wow. I've never looked at her site before, but... 46 pictures for a frittata. FORTY-SIX.

                                                                                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                  Seriously, though, look where she lives. She has to keep herself busy and amused somehow! ;-)

                                                                                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                    My guess is that it's the excess photos that won her the original viewership on her blog. Her pictures are *very* detailed and I can see how people learning how to cook could find them useful as she shows every single d*mn step of the cooking process.

                                                                                                                    Mind you, with so many people now shifting over to smart phones or Ipads the sheer number of pictures feels more overwhelming then they may have when PW first started out and most people were using PCs to read her blog. We'll see if this affects how Ree organizes her blog in the future.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Roland Parker

                                                                                                                      I get having pictures of steps to help those who are learning. Liking showing julienned carrots, as some might not know what that is. Or the dice size of the onions.

                                                                                                                      But for this frittata, there are:

                                                                                                                      - 8 pictures of the raw ingredients (Two are of jarred items, which I concede can be helpful when shopping. But I think we all know what eggs, onions, and potatoes look like.)

                                                                                                                      - 2 pictures each for cutting onions and potatoes; VALID

                                                                                                                      - 2 pictures of grated cheese (I'm all for learning new things, but if you seriously don't know what grated cheese looks like, I'm not sure you should be in the kitchen)

                                                                                                                      - 2 pictures for julienning the rrp; VALID

                                                                                                                      Blah blah blah. Lots of repetitive pics of pouring the egg mixture over the veg, etc. The one that really got my goat was a bowl of eggs. Just a bowl with 12 eggs cracked into it.

                                                                                                                      I don't know. I know no one cares how I feel about this and I sound like I just need something to bitch about today.... Maybe I do. I'll just sum it up by saying that she is not my cup of tea. I don't want to scroll for over a minute before getting to the actual recipe.

                                                                                                                      [/rant]

                                                                                                                  2. re: Annief123

                                                                                                                    The only episode I've seen is the one where she had the boy children for an overnight, while her sister had the girl children. She prepared breakfast for dinner and supper for breakfast. No veggies or fresh fruit were served. The girls, she said eat veggies and crackers, but the boys don't eat like that. I was bothered both by the menus, and the stereotyping.

                                                                                                                  3. My first reaction to reading this was to think of my 3 x great-grandmother who was a real pioneer, not a pretend one. She lived in a one-room log cabin in Southern Illinois in the 1840s and, married at 15, she had 16 children of whom 9 died. Her older husband was a circuit-riding preacher who probably was gone a lot. No heat, and she cooked in a fireplace. No running water, no electricity, no pharmacy, no pediatrician, no Pampers, no Kleenex. And, since CH is a food board, I am reminded that no crumb of food appeared on Grandmother's table unless she made it happen, along with a few other things she had to do. Nothing about that life sounds all that glamorous, does it, when you come to think of it.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Querencia

                                                                                                                      If you want to find the real pioneers in the Pioneer Woman's story, all any of us need to do is look into the history and family she married into. The Drummond family; a ranching family that goes back 130 years. One of Ree's new projects appears to be with a company that assists people tracing their family tree. Much has been written about the Drummond family over the years. Open any Oklahoma newspaper or magazine.

                                                                                                                      It's wonderful to have memories of your own family, Quer. Many of us can look to our great great great families and find some incredible history.

                                                                                                                      Tell me, does marrying into a family's history not count?

                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                        130 years isn't really that long ago, puts one in the late 1800s. Hardly the stuff of the original pioneers.

                                                                                                                        Reminds me of the time a friend bragged about his fairly useless wife- "So-and-so cooked a fourteen pound turkey all by herself!" and everybody (almost) at the table exclaimed, "Oh, So-and-so!", including several housewives that had been cooking holiday meals for large families for well over 20 years.

                                                                                                                        1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                          130 years of ranching is good enough for me. Have your relatives been in the ranching biz for a long time, EWS?

                                                                                                                      1. The show and it's name are fails.

                                                                                                                        Agree, I was expecting something a lot more rustic.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: pegasis0066

                                                                                                                          It's only false if you're very literal. She was living a metropolitan, corporate kind of life, so it was personally pioneering of her to end up on a cattle ranch in northern OK.

                                                                                                                          Humor helps. :-)

                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                            Agree, a little levity. My gripe is that she calls herself an accidental country girl and I think, "what, did you experience some sort of fuge state and WHOOPSIE! awoke in Oklahoma?"
                                                                                                                            That part just seems forced to me, but I should take my own advice...

                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tD1LB...

                                                                                                                              Check out the outtake version of her butter informerical.
                                                                                                                              If anyone can retain a sense of humor about themselves and all the hyper attention paid to every literal word she has ever uttered, it's Ree Drummond. I may not use the recipes or join the fan club but I do respect how she handles criticism.

                                                                                                                            2. re: pegasis0066

                                                                                                                              "The show and it's name are fails."

                                                                                                                              Or not. She's made quite a living from both of them. That is not a "fail" in my book. Plus, as some of us have said over and over in this thread, the name "Pioneer Woman" is meant to be tongue in cheek.

                                                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                I cannot watch the show, but certainly don't begrudge her her success. I have a lot of relatives in marketing.

                                                                                                                            3. If "Crash Hot Potatoes" is her original recipe, then she needs to do no more. These spuds are fantastic.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                Nah, they were created by Australian food writer Jill Dupleix, and Jill coined the phrase, Crash Hot Potatoes.

                                                                                                                                My husband loves them.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                    http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/20...

                                                                                                                                    No sigh, Ree credits the food writer in her own post.
                                                                                                                                    They happen to be a very popular way of fixin a potato (I mean around the globe, actually).

                                                                                                                                1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                  I've been meaning to try these. I have some sweet potatoes on hand and I think they'd work just as well.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                    I've done it w/ sweet potatoes, they're good. Sprinkled a bit of brown sugar on them. They don't "crash" as well as white potatoes but still good.

                                                                                                                                2. At some point on this thread it has been asked why the criticism of Ree...
                                                                                                                                  I applaud her entrepreneurial endeavors and wish her luck. I just wish her team would help her rid of the misogyny and racist tones. As a woman and person of color, from watching her show where she can only prepare certain foods when her husband is away because he doesn't approve (alcohol). One day while looking for a baked enchilada recipe her recipe not only talks of her real Mexican uncle unlike her imaginary black grandpa.
                                                                                                                                  http://thepioneerwoman.com/blog/2006/...
                                                                                                                                  http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/20...

                                                                                                                                  Because people of color can only be known for gospel, soul food and we can't have babysitters or wear IZod. Now I have no doubt that she felt that way as a child but really... As an educated adult why put that on your blog as you want to go national. There was probably a better way to have described that experience without complete disregard for the heritage of others.

                                                                                                                                  Edit phone cut off
                                                                                                                                  Because as women we can only cook what our husbands allow. No, there's no such thing as parity or spousal equality. He says no she can only "sneak it" while he's gone.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                    The whole "black grandpa" thing was so over the top and inappropriate. What the hell was she thinking?

                                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                      I agree. While I had thought her schtick was gaudy but not for me or my cooking style, the constant man vs woman thing irked me, the racial issues just put me over the edge. I can take one or the other why both? Why either really.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                        I didn't know what to make of it. 2006, 2008 posts you provided are a completely different team of people than working with and for Ree today. Blog entries aren't suppose to be deleted and if she removed it, people would scream that she was hiding something. So, I concur it was an odd bunch of entries (and others) but who's perfect?

                                                                                                                                        Here's a question for you. Do you think the gals writing blogs about PW should get a free pass? Talk about tasteless. I ask you, what are these women thinking?

                                                                                                                                        http://themarlborowoman.com/
                                                                                                                                        http://www.pienearwoman.com/

                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                          http://www.thepioneerwomansux.com/

                                                                                                                                          And what about this gal. She took out a public hammer and then was shocked when the public took out a nail.

                                                                                                                                          Lordy, the world is full of very difficult people.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                            On my phone but will check out those links.

                                                                                                                                            I only knew of this woman from food network. So when I googled chicken enchiladas to find out a recipe and it's the top link I click it. (This is 2 months ago btw). So in the recipe for enchiladas talks about the black grandpa and had it hyperlinked. Curious I googled "pioneer woman black grandpa" and came across the article. So she can delete hyperlinks but not add an "revised" or "update" at the top of the page to talk about her views now or clarify?

                                                                                                                                            The age of the articles are of no importance when it comes to google. Opposite to what might be thought I don't troll around to pick reasons to not like people. I googled she was #1 which shows some search engine optimization knowledge is being used. If when I googled "black grandpa" I had come across her original blog with something to the effect of "hey guys, having had the benefit of traveling the country, meeting new people or a genuine curiosity in to soul food as I researched for my cookbooks, I've realized how crazy this post can be out of context. Add some smoothing language talking about our non post racial society and how while she thought this at one point she is now glad to know there is so much more to being black than soul food, gospel and wearing certain clothes. Just like there's more to being white than bland food, aloof appearances and country music (tee hee). Hell add in an "and I will use this when having dialogue with my kids because if I had this misconceptions I want it to end with me "

                                                                                                                                            Had I found something like that, I would hold her in greater esteem. I am also of the camp that what Paula deen said didn't shock or destroy me, but her inability to hire a team that would have stopped her from being her, so to speak, made me wonder what was really wrong with her.

                                                                                                                                            Edited because of my phone

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                              Don't misunderstand my reaction to your comment. If you have an opinion about what a popular food blogger has said, write to her. Ree takes emails, calls and letters from her readers gladly.

                                                                                                                                              Make all the suggestions you want directly to the person who wrote those entries.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                        Why does this alcohol thing bother you? My guess is that her husband (and his family) are Oklahoma Bible Belt Baptists, a group which is well known for their teetotaling convictions. What you describe is a live-and-let-live accommodation. "Don't use alcohol around me, and I won't object if you use it else where". It's called 'city girl adapts to rural Oklahoma culture'.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                          That occurred to me, too. I only cook osso bucco and lamb shanks for me and a friend when husband is away because he doesn't like them. He wouldn't mind if I made them for myself, but I like cooking for him, too, when I do the work.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                            Heck it's her life. Does the public really get to dictate how she lives her life because she blogs about it? Is there a direct relationship between the public buying her books, watching her tv show and owning a piece of her faith, her marriage, her child rearing?

                                                                                                                                            If so, this attitude is really out of my realm of understanding.

                                                                                                                                          2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                            Perhaps because she could have phrased it as "I respect my husbands culture/religion/upbringing and save some dishes for when he's not around". Instead it was phrased as because I'm his wife (property) I must do his bidding. But he's gone so I can go crazy as women are prone to do when their menfolk aren't around to keep them in line."

                                                                                                                                            It's not the alcohol or respect for his wants or dislikes, it's why do you think we need to teach the next generation that bull.

                                                                                                                                            Edit for clarification
                                                                                                                                            I put the alcohol because that example was the best one I had, at other times she has described how dishes were inspiration but because of his dislike of a particular ingredient she had to do it a different way. It's not that you can't acquiesce to the wants of your spouse, it's really the way she does it. Ina talks of Geoffrey as a partner, Giada talks of her husband, heck Rachel Ray makes 15 recipes off one variation set because of having to change bc of her family's wants/dislikes. They all do it without being 1950's a woman's place is in the kitchen.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                              With all due respect to your point of view, you are suggesting how this woman should write, behave and respond according to your comfort level and belief. How exactly is that right?

                                                                                                                                              I'm not using a lifestyle blog to rear the next generation but if her readers are, that is their choice.

                                                                                                                                              It's interesting that you went from searching a chicken enchiladas recipe to having a very strong reaction to PW's writings. The blog really does grab folks.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                Yeah.

                                                                                                                                                If I'd seen or read that, it would've made my eyes roll so much the viewing would have to stop for that reason alone. But it would just be another reason not to read or watch her.

                                                                                                                                                I'm pretty sure I have very little in common with Ree Drummond in terms of life experiences and life style choices.

                                                                                                                                                If you ever find me in north OK, it'll be because I fell out of a plane, for starters. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                  When it was just her blog that's fine. You have to seek it out to find it. She should not contain herself for her audience. When she decided she wanted to be on FN, and spread her ideas and thoughts further, that opens her up to more scrutiny. She also puts herself in more homes through FN than her blog did. So sorry if I want people in the public eye to give a damn about what information they chose to disseminate to the world.

                                                                                                                                                  I would not like her to change her views but can she do that responsibly?
                                                                                                                                                  From your posts here you demonstrate a much higher level of thinking. You have the ability to discern opinion from fact, truth from falsehood, perception from reality. The average person watching her show might not have that same critical thinking skillset. The young girls watching her show take in not only recipes but behaviors.

                                                                                                                                                  I also think radio stations need to edit more. Condom is bleeped out of rap songs but derogatory names for females/body parts/slurs are not. Alas that is far down another path.

                                                                                                                                                  Suffice to say what we put out in the world is cumulative. Some of us have larger platforms to address the world than others. Those with bigger platforms should be careful of the latent functions of their words/actions/behaviors.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                    ncgh, again with all due respect to your sensibilities and wisdom, the remote control, radio dial, mouse pad and choice to read all have an off button.

                                                                                                                                                    I have two grown daughters, the good fortune to live long enough to see Grandma next to my name in the coming months and blessed with many young people in my life. I can assure you that if I found something, anything off putting in my view that required better framing for young ears and eyes, I'd be all over it. But, chances are very good that I wouldn't expect that "thing" that has me bothered to change for me.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                      Congrats!

                                                                                                                                                      I change the world one conversation at a time and that is enough for me.

                                                                                                                                                      I change the channel when she comes on. I read some more of her blog to see if there was anything redeeming (I didn't find it). I shared and defended my reasons here (a thread about dislike of the PW).

                                                                                                                                                      To be honest I didn't think her blog was still active, I did email FN my concerns, I guess that's why the black grandpa comment in the enchilada recipe went from being a broken hyperlink but hyperlink none the less to just text.

                                                                                                                                                      My intent is not to change the minds of anyone reading this, it's to bring awareness. We can all indulge in things that aren't good for us, but let's not act like they're healthy.

                                                                                                                                                      My use of pronouns is more the universal sense not personal, if that makes any sense.

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                    I think as a society we have banded together to say that there is gender equality (or should be), as well as racial equality. My personal standards wax and wane depending on many different variables. I think that American society has held pretty fast to those two ideals, even if at the end of the day they are just ideals, not always practiced.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                      We are still talking about a food blogger, right?

                                                                                                                                                2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                  She routinely serves wine and beer to her guests, including the husband's family.

                                                                                                                                                  The husband claims not to like the flavor of wine in food, so she makes a big deal out of cooking dishes with wine when he is not there or "sneaking" it in and hoping he won't notice. Apparently he doesn't like many vegetables either. Very meat and potatoes.

                                                                                                                                                  It's just not a very appealing POV from a cooking show host, who IMHO should be broadening the audience's horizons and knowledge about food.

                                                                                                                                                  Also, she is not a city girl, she was born and raised in Oklahoma in a town about an hour away from the ranch that she lives at now. Went to college in Los Angeles and lived there for a few years before she went back.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: pamf

                                                                                                                                                    Yes, the only alcohol "issue" is he doesn't like dishes with wine in them.

                                                                                                                                                    "Also, she is not a city girl, she was born and raised in Oklahoma in a town about an hour away from the ranch that she lives at now."

                                                                                                                                                    And an hour in their part of the country is like 15 minutes somewhere more populated!

                                                                                                                                                    As I said up thread, I read her for years and liked the blog well enough but somewhere she played up the "city girl/country boy" thing a little too much and the blog and later, the show, seemed to feel forced.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                      Have you read her book about how they met and got married?

                                                                                                                                                      She is definitely quite talented at creating her brand and marketing it. She's just not that talented at cooking.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: pamf

                                                                                                                                                        Yes I have. I am curious if the movie production is still in the works.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: pamf

                                                                                                                                                      My Mom went to High school with her,,, Bartlesville is a tiny little town..but in "her day" had lots of oil money due to Philips 66...Mom knew the "blacksheep" Drumond at University in Stilwater they were both in the theater department( that should shed some light on that backstory)

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                    There's foods I don't make when my SO is around (ie extra spicy foods, green beans, anything with butternut squash, anything with goat cheese etc). Why would I make something on purpose that I know he doesn't like? Seems to me that's kind of selfish. I just eat the stuff he doesn't like when he's not around... what's wrong with that? We're all of a sudden not equals because I don't make food he doesn't like?

                                                                                                                                                    ETA...when we visit my SO's family in Wyoming (so similar to Ree and her folks), there's lots of "men vs women" joking stuff going around. SO, Ree is just talking to her target audience, which is people like my SO's mom. Obviously you are not in her target audience so why even get worked up about it?

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                      *sigh*. No, the action does not remove gender equality. Regardless of the gender of your spouse you should go out of your way for them. We all do. Like I mentioned before, lots of other FN personalities do this as well. Ree adds a dimension to hers that is unpleasant for me to watch (so I've stopped watching).

                                                                                                                                                      Not worked up about it. I'm just putting it out there. A woman in her 30's target audience is your SO's mom... Are you talking geographic or age/income/gender? For population density - geographic pandering won't sustain much. As for age/income/gender, yeah uh don't see that lasting too long either.

                                                                                                                                                      So just to make sure I'm not up in arms over this, not particularly bothered by it, but when in this thread it came up for a lack of concrete reasons why there is disdain for this TV personality, I added my 2cents and am defending it.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                        Oh I don't know about a lack of concrete reasons. Folks weighing in have given plenty of reasons and the Net is filled with bloggers dedicating either a few entries or entire journals to why the PW should cease to exist. The hate on, pile on, find fault with is pretty grand.

                                                                                                                                                        All that "be careful what you say" and, "be more understanding" folks would like Ree to demonstrate doesn't seem to cut both ways.

                                                                                                                                                        I wouldn't be able to defend disdain for someone I have never met.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                          My disdain for PW is based off her writings and her words. I've provided examples of each behavior I've perceived and explained why I perceive it as a negative.

                                                                                                                                                          I have not stereotyped her, clumped her in with others or supported the rants of others.

                                                                                                                                                          At this point, it can be summed up as "po-ta-tow" vs "pa-ta-toe"

                                                                                                                                                          You don't seem to see this, which is fine, but why nitpick my thoughts on it? I'm pretty sure I began my post with I wish her success I just wish she had some more sense.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                            Oh I thought we were discussing it. Even though I don't share your view, doesn't mean I haven't said so respectfully (many times already).

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                          Ree is mid 40s... SO's mom is mid 50s, so not too far apart in age. Similar geographic area too... different states but same "type" of areas. Ree's target audience certainly isn't the urban woman. Her target audience is people just like her... "traditional" type moms and grandmas. That crowd loves the "men vs women" thing. Believe it or not, a fairly sizable portion of our population still lives and thinks that way, hence Ree's success.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                            Urban as in lives in a metropolitan area with high population density or urban as in another way of saying black/non Caucasian.

                                                                                                                                                            At one point in time, a large portion of the western world also thought the world was flat. Map makers were able to get very rich and have successful businesses because the maps were only "yay" big, so costs were low to make them. I prefer to not watch people pander bad shticks to make a buck.

                                                                                                                                                            I am not suggesting she change her outlook, her way of doing things or her bad shtick. What I do think is that she should be aware that she alienates folks. She could be all about her husband without making it seem like she has to worship the ground he walks on or she will be beaten or left outside to sleep in the barn. I'm pretty sure when you make things without goat cheese, butternut squash or green beans, you do it out of love and if some one was in your kitchen and said "Hey Julez, why no chevre today?" you would probably say "Just 'cuz" or "Hubby doesn't do goat cheese" not "Hubby's job is to do the work and I just stay in the kitchen like a good lil woman is supposed to"

                                                                                                                                                            The same way, if someone asked me how to make fried rice, I wouldn't have a wildly inappropriate story filled with racial stereotypes before giving up a mediocre recipe. I could just give up the recipe. I could make up a story and give up the recipe. I could give a racially APPROPRIATE story and give the recipe. See there's a buncha ways to handle it without marginalizing a race of people.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                              I think you may be overestimating PW's influence. And demonstrating a low tolerance for a woman whose life experience has been very different from yours.

                                                                                                                                                              I also think you may be too narrowly defining "urban" from only one context. A lot of folks still use it to define city vs. suburbs and rural environments, period. Context and intention matter. It's not too hard to discern when it's being used to connote racial vs. environmental differences.

                                                                                                                                                              I dunno, I found the whole Duck Dynasty disgusting, but I didn't want to do anything about it, because I think it's wrong to shut up dissent just because it offends me. I also don't think those folks have any influence over folks who don't think that way already. Same with PW.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ncghettogourmet

                                                                                                                                                                By "urban" I mean people who live in large cities. I was actually thinking of myself 5 years ago when thinking of an "urban woman"... and I'm white. I lived in Chicago, with lots of specialty markets and great restaurants to choose from. Nowadays, I live outside of a metro area so still have a lot to choose from, although the nearest grocery store is 4 miles away, not 2 blocks. I would have had zero interest in Pioneer Woman back then... I just couldn't relate. Now that I live a different lifestyle in a different area, I can relate a bit more. Someone like my SO's mom who has always lived in a small town can very much relate to her.

                                                                                                                                                                Like I mentioned before, you are clearly not her target audience, so why think your lifestyle and your views should apply to her? Pretty sure she already knows she won't please everyone. She's most worried about pleasing and relating to her fans.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                  Chowhounds are predominately urban. Boards for Manhattan, Los Angeles and San Francisco are far busier than ones covering less densely populated parts of the country. I had to check several boards before I found the one that includes Oklahoma (Grain Plains). And even on that board, Oklahoma City gets more mention than anything smaller or more rural.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                    Oh I understand that... most people on CH are probably not Pioneer Woman's target audience :) I live outside of Denver and our local "Mountain States" board that covers a few states is dismally slow.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                      I don't even look at the Mid-Atlantic board anymore. It's such a broad area, I think I've seen one or two threads about anywhere near me.

                                                                                                                                                      2. There is a show similar to what you describes. It's called Wild Alaska.

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: PeterL

                                                                                                                                                          'Alaska: The final frontier', is Discovery's current series about an extended family living on a homestead near Homer. That deals with hunting, raising animals, preparing food for winter. Haven't seen much cooking.

                                                                                                                                                          'Flying wild Alaska' is about life in a more remote part of Alaska, but with more focus on flying than day to day life. Not much about food or cooking.

                                                                                                                                                          The book, 'Cooking Alaska' is a large compilation of Alaska recipes. While it has a lot of game recipes (fish, birds, moose, etc), it also has a lot of recipes using staples from civilization, things like canned salmon and peaches flowing in by bush plane.

                                                                                                                                                        2. My concern/gripe about the Ladd alcohol dilemma is that it's handled in an immature fashion, with Ree "sneaking" it in surreptitiously.
                                                                                                                                                          I don't know where Ladd's aversion to alcohol stems from.
                                                                                                                                                          Did he have one of those "Southern Comfort barf-for-two-days incidents" as a youngun' that scars you for life and puts you off the treacly sweet stuff for life? I don't know.
                                                                                                                                                          (not that I 'd know anything about that!! Cough)
                                                                                                                                                          Has Ladd struggled with alcohol abuse in the past? I don't know.
                                                                                                                                                          Does it just flat out turn him off in the same way that I know I don't ever want to try durian to know I'd hate it? I don't know.
                                                                                                                                                          The point is (finally), that he's a grown-ass man who has made his aversion to alcohol in food quite clear.
                                                                                                                                                          Ree's not his mommy trying to sneak veggies into his diet, so why does she think it's so darn cute to dishonor his dislike of booze in food?
                                                                                                                                                          Again- grown-ass man.
                                                                                                                                                          If someone kept trying to sneak in things that I do not like, that really turns me off, I'd start to feel a bit disrespected and that's not a mature relationship if you ask me.
                                                                                                                                                          How's this? "Ladd, the pasta sauce has vodka in it, just so you know. I've made xyz on the side so you don't have to eat the penne a la vodka".

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                            Did you read their romance novel? Just a quick tour of the Amazon "inside this book" should answer a few question for you. Or, you can wait for the movie.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                              I haven't read the novel. Did I touch on anything?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                I've only seen the Amazon breeze through, 35 chapters I sure hope she touched on something :)

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                    Now that the book has been optioned as a film, I don't know if any of you have noticed the romance novel does not appear on the PW site in book cover, early draft, reference or chapter form.

                                                                                                                                                                    So stay tuned!

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                      oh you were serious?

                                                                                                                                                                      optioned by Lifetime?

                                                                                                                                                                      Staring Debra Messing?

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.parade.com/222716/sarahdig...

                                                                                                                                                                          taken from the Q & A back in November. The female lead has always been identified as Reese Witherspoon as far back as 2010. Never confirmed.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                            A younger Meryl Streep would be nice, or Julia Roberts, kidding, mostly.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                                              Should be interesting to see how the film takes shape.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                You know, thinking about the book, there's not really much of a story there to make a good film.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: pamf

                                                                                                                                                                                  I really like her story but I agree, it's just another city to country girl love story. However, that hasn't stopped many other filmmakers from producing the same story line over and over.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree. Big studios make small movies. Big stars work in Independent films. HBO/SHO/etc make their own movies now and everything comes to DVD and stream faster than you can say cowpoke. So, who knows. Time is all we got to find out.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                                                ...well whoever they choose, it has to be someone with a continual smile :)

                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                cant see Reese WItherspoon...maybe Bryce Dallas Howard--

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                                                                  girlof, you impress me all the time. Excellent choice. A fairly new up & coming actress too. Good one.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ron Howards daughter, she is a cutie

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                  Any word on the actors playing Marlboro Man, the kids and the ranching family? Remains to be see if this is big or small budget. No idea right now. But when the entire book reference was removed from the PW site, we surmised the option was on.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ladd, how about Matthew McConaughey.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                                                      Think younger. Matt's a darlin' but he's too old for the younger story.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm flying solo here on this board and tonight, must be lack of sleep. Just watched an old S&TC last night and MMc was on flirting with SJP's role and said one too many explitives, odd hearing that out of his mouth for some reason, prob becz I don't watch a bunch of MMc movies

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                          He curses all the time in movies. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                            thanks fld, didn't know that...........again, I don't get out much

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                        though I am not personallllllllly fond of him.... Woody Harlson for the Marlboro Man or maybe Ryan Gossling

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                                                                          Woody's too old. Ryan...ah, borderline. Maybe some of the ranch family members...

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                            most of young hollywood actors are too soft...we need a Patrick Swazey Orry Main not a sparkley vampire....
                                                                                                                                                                                            Alden Ehrenreich might be able to pull it off

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                                                                              Well, it will be fun to see how this film comes together. Would you be comfortable having your life story told on the silver screen while you were still alive to watch it with your family & friends?

                                                                                                                                                                                              I think I'd be happier long gone before they tell my story!

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                If Bryce Dallas Howard was playing me and people said Ooooooohhhh good match... but if they said OOOOoohhh sheeee wishes! then no proballllllly not... but lots of people went through it... Coal Miners Daughter.. Erin Brocovitch...Julieand Juia...

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                                                                            I vote a huge PLEASE no for WH but RG I do enjoy.

                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                            Ree wrote on her blog that there is a real possibility that her brother Mike will play himself.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                                                              http://thepioneerwoman.com/blog/2010/...

                                                                                                                                                                                              Here's that journal entry. Mike, from what I understand, has a big personality! Who else but Mike could play Mike :)

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                http://thepioneerwoman.com/blog/2010/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, and according to the back story (link) on Mike's page, if the movie gets made, we're all invited to the premiere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll be holding Ree to that invitation :)

                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't think Ladd has a religious or moral objection to alcohol b/c I'm pretty sure that I've seen him talk about having a beer or asking for a beer in one of the shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The impression that I get is that he is just one of those men who likes what he likes and doesn't want to try new things. Mr. Manly Man doesn't want wine in his food or, god forbid, vodka in a pasta sauce. If he truly had a serious issue with it, I would imagine his wife wouldn't be trying to trick him into eating penne al vodka. He has the same negative reaction to other "girly" stuff that he doesn't like.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Have you seen the episode when she makes steak sandwiches for them? His is bread and meat (and maybe onions) while hers has arugula, roasted red peppers, and fresh mozzarella. He absolutely refuses to try hers. I don't think he has had an addiction to arugula or a religious objection to mozzarella.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I could be totally wrong but I've seen/heard all of the episodes like a dozen times now that Ree is in Paula Deen's 5pm weekday slot.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for your insight. I've probably caught most episodes and I agree about the gender-specific food classification that seems to be prevalent in their household.
                                                                                                                                                                                    He-man, She-woman.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Real men STILL don't eat quiche in OK ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                    It could be that the producers try to play up the "tension", which works for ratings. You know, poke the cowboy and see what happens!

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree. It's insulting to men to assume/demonstrate that they don't like vegetables or other more healthy foods. People insult children this way, too....

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe its the producers who make him seem like a sullen unappreciative jerk to her at times. Would an occasional smile and/or thank you make him less of a man?

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                          He seems appreciative to me, he has moments but seems like a quiet guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                            The only episodes I ever watched all the way thru were maybe 3 years ago and I actually bitch slapped him through my tv screen while yelling "would it kill you to thank her?"

                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe he's less churlish now.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                              Wow I'll keep my eyes open for his ungratefulness :)

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                Hmm I just watched Ladd immediately stand up and ask if she needed help or maybe that was the mini me look a like son.

                                                                                                                                                                                                ETA: "Thanks honey, that was a great meal"

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know I wasn't the only one with this observation... But like I said, this was the early episodes of the show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know it's not just you just wanted to give a different perspective of the guy since I seem to have a different impression. Either way, it's editing, now and then

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The only time I've seen Ladd portrayed as possibly rude is when Ree is trying to feed him something or add an ingredient into his meal that he just doesn't like or want to try.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    He isn't overly affectionate but I'm not going to hold that against him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not into PDAs doesn't mean he's not very affectionate at other times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's for public viewing, lots of folks are uptight about PDA. I'm not one of them, but lots of folks I know are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ... my husband&I dated in high school, 9th grade but who's counting, anyway, he was cute and all but wouldn't hold my hand/put his arm around me/or heaven forbid kiss me in a public place. that wore thin and I told him one day (with a famous person's party the next night that I was asked to help set up) if you don't want to do those things that's fine but we won't still date. the very next day, party in full swing, he held my hand kissed me and had his arm firmly around me at all times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        it wasn't something he was used to, maybe PW's husband is like that too who knows?

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Thanks to the revival of this thread I am now in the midst of a Pioneer Woman marathon. I watch episodes when they happen to be on and there's nothing else I am interested in watching but never really had a strong opinion either way about her although she seems slightly fake via the big screen (but, I think I would be too). I do browse recipes on her site occasionally because she has such great pictures and sometimes I just need a source of inspiration. I've been reading more about her and her family and she's really growing on me so decided I spend my day on the couch learning about the "Pioneer life" :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                          I feel very much the same. I'm reading a preview of her novel and it's drawing me in.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Her show is just in the background and if I'm not listening intently, it makes for nice glimpses of food and nature.
                                                                                                                                                                                          And, if you're like PW, Ladd's ass, apparently.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                            Her comments about her husband are hilarious and she writes quite passionately about him. I just read a story of her getting bucked off a horse and wanting to run back to the city which was a good read.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                              Her comments about her husband are hilarious

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. The show just lacks any real substance to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JB BANNISTER

                                                                                                                                                                                              I think a lot of people just want to watch the clips of the husband and kids riding horses and interacting with cows to get a sense of what "ranch" or "cowboy" life must be like.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It has been pretty well documented that most of her recipes are straight from local church group cookbooks. I think the only one I ever saw that looked good to me was the corn casserole and I have watched every single episode.

                                                                                                                                                                                              She has 3 of the top 10 best-selling cookbooks for 2013 so I guess the show did its job.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                                                                                                                I admit I watch it probably just to get a sense of the ranch life. I barely pay attention to the recipes.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. The show doesn't challenge me one iota. It seems tailored to people who know little about cooking, and it is utterly corny.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Her mousey voice also grates on my nerves.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I am utterly puzzled why the show is as successful as it is, especially when there are other lesser-known PBS cooking shows/biogs that are more challenging and healthy out there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: natewrites

                                                                                                                                                                                                Most people watch TV to be entertained. Being educated is what Christopher Robin does in the mornings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: natewrites

                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I am utterly puzzled why the show is as successful as it is, especially when there are other lesser-known PBS cooking shows/biogs that are more challenging and healthy out there."

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have been cooking for almost 43 years of my 53 here on earth. I consider myself a pretty accomplished cook and baker. I like watching Pioneer Woman. I just love to watch people cook; no matter how basic it is. I always learn something, Plus, I just love watching the process. It always inspires and awes me. I have always been this way with cooking shows. I also watch the "lesser-known PBS cooking shows/biogs..." and enjoy them for what they present. I'm not snob when it comes to cooking shows. If someone is cooking something, I like to watch. Maybe I'm a cooking voyeur!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                      +1!
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unless the show and host are just irritating, I won't change the channel and will tolerate almost any show in the "background" just for noise and occasional eye candy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unless it's Bitchin' Kitchen. No can do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly! To each his own. Nothing about Ree bothers me. Yes, her voice can be annoying, but not to the point where I cannot watch her show. It all comes down to personal preference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        For example: Many love Anthony Bourdain, but I cannot stomach the man. Even a commercial for one of his shows makes me cringe and start feeling nauseated. So, guess what? I change the channel!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Glib, dripping sarcasm isn't your thing??
                                                                                                                                                                                                          ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Only when I am the glib one... and dripping sarcasm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know if I could give Bourdain a run for his money, but I can do sarcasm pretty well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have always been sarcastic. Bourdain is just annoying. There is a fine line between the 2.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And here I thought I was the only one with a strong dislike for him. I'm glad I'm not alone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I can't even stay in the room if my husband is watching an episode of one of his shows. Just looking at him gets to me. He is just so smug and condescending.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I watch him a lot, his travel shows are very enlightening and intimate about the view you get of the destinations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                He's very self deprecating, saves some of his best salvos for himself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I like snarky humor and self deprecation, so that helps, I guess. Not to everyone's liking for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not everyone understands it. They just see mean rather than meaning. My mother had absolutely NO understanding of even simple jokes. In her last year of life, she finally told me that ALL humor was just "making fun of someone".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Interesting how different people view things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like Tony.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Not everyone understands it. They just see mean rather than meaning"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My mother is similar to your's sandylc. She read Kitchen Confidential after I finished it (I loved it) and she said "he seems like the most horrible man."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think nuance is lost on a lot of people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I told my MIL not to read it when she expressed interest in my copy!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My mother has a really hard time with 99% of music and once told me she felt like people put it on and pretended to enjoy it just to annoy her. Rather self-involved, but I can see how it would feel that way if you just don't get it, rather like sandylc's mom on humour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am probably the snarkiest, most sarcastic person among my family and friends. I fully understand this type of humor. I just don't want it when I am watching a food/travel show. It annoys me. But that is just me; I realize others love him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Even though he can get snarky in his prose, he isn't a snob when dealing with individuals - he treats most if not all with respect.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: natewrites

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have only watched the show once and I wasn't a fan.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have read a lot of her blog and some things appeal but it is not challenging.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think for those just getting started cooking and those with a certain palate she may appeal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I did make her tres leches cake this week and it was to die for .

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I do find it incredibly interesting that any recipe listed on PW cooking pages that clearly isn't hers would be called hers by readers of the site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Her blog became a lifestyle website with a member based food forum called Tasty Kitchen right around the time her tv contract was finalized and her book published.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I didn't realize the PW site was ever intended to challenge anyone. I don't find food blogs anything more than a point of view. If I want to be challenged by a recipe, I look outside my comfort zone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've never made the tres leches cake but I know the recipe has been knocked around, hacked and re invented forever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              What was special about the PW version, melpy?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was piggy backing off the poster who said that PW didn't challenge her as a cook. I should have said that I disagree with some of her choices in technique, and some of her ingredient choices. I personally like some things a little lighter but to splurge on occasion she has posted some that interest me. The tres leeches cake I believe she says is a friend's recipe. I don't know if it is different than others but I like the step by step manner she approached it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I did realize your were piggy backing off another comment. I just wondered what it was about PW's version that had you interested.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think hers was the first one that had step by step photos for pouring the milk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am a nervous baker and having never make sponge cake nor tres leches, this version seemed basic, no frills and was very clear on what each part of the process would look like. I also wanted it to be the most similar to ones I had tasted in the past and that's what this one appeared to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I must admit, I am a cook not a baker and I am comfortable with those skills. I like simple when baking and tend to be a slave to the recipe because it doesn't come natural to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm a comfortable, usually confident experimental baker and I still like a visual recipe. Whatever gets "us" there is what works best, right?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are absolutely right!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (But it is still fun to complain sometimes!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                What would make a blog or recipe challenging? Wouldn't that depend very much on the read/viewer? Or are you going by the 'level' on FN's recipe? If I search for 'ree' and sort by 'easy', I find a few at the end of the sort that are 'intermediate'. For Burrell there is one 'difficult', garlic port sausage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Pioneer Woman is starting a new series tomorrow. I like the show and hope the new series stays on track but I don't trust producers. Years ago we liked to watch Rachel Ray when she was starting out with the 30 minute meal thing in her cute little retro kitchen but she morphed into an obnoxious host so we moved on. Then the other night we succumbed to watching her new show called 3 in the Bag and she was like a grotesque parody of the woman we used to watch. It was awful. Not the food so much but the host.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Berheenia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I read on CH that Ina has a new show coming soon as well. Celebrations I believe. I fully expect the show to showcase parties under the roof of the new cottage. It's not why I watch Ina cook in her kitchen and chances are good I won't want to watch a party as opposed to ATTENDING one :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I enjoy watching the male chefs so much more these days. No drama, a completely diff expectation and I don't find myself wondering why he's wearing that blouse :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Upthread I wondered about when we'll see shirtless male chef/hosts...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      next season of Extreme Chef ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        my mind instantly goes to the chefstestants on H€||s Kitchen-I'd not want to see any of them shirtless (fah-reeeky)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ha. I think the chef life produces a body with arms and legs of steel with a doughy center.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        well as much as I agree with you MB screwed up big time the other day-not by his clothes but by his mouth and what came out of it. I'll stop there or it'd start a stampede-just sayin the guys disappoint me also.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I didn't say "they" were perfect but the tear down when it comes along is quite different towards the men than the women.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              oh I I know I hadn't read that you did. I was just really put off by MB's comment but wonder why some things continue to bug me. I should be desensitized to certain celeb comments by now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was only generalizing, iLD.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Berheenia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What new series is Ree starting?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LaLa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think she just meant a new season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I see ...a new season...not new series

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can hardly wait for her Thai Beef with Peppers recipe!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Around the World in 16 Minutes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ree Drummond is going around the world with 16-minute meals. First stop is India with Easy Mulligatawny Soup for sharing with a friend. Then, for a solo meal, Thai Beef With Peppers. For dinner with the family, it's off to Italy for Chicken Piccata and delicious Buttery Lemon Parsley Noodles. (Episode: WU0705H)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: emily

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Were supposed to go AROUND THE FREAKIN WORLD with someone who lives the sheltered life on a ranch. Not near civilization or supermarkets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seriously?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Totally makes sense to me. It's "exotic" flavours for people who can't even order take out. I'll only get worked up if they start adapting it for the slow-cooker ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are kidding, right? She has a ton of money and travels, i doubt that is sheltered.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: emily

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well here it is:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/re...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't see anything particularly Thai about that ingredient list. Except maybe the Pad Thai rice noodles, but the recipe also says you can substitute linguine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It just seems like the kind of generic stir fry you might make on a week night using what you happen to have in the fridge. Although it gets 5-star reviews on the FN site. Some of those people think it's the best Thai food they have ever had.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pamf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's Thai inspired. How about that? What about all the "Italian" dishes floating around out there that bear no resemblence to food found in Italy. It's the same thing. Perhaps you're even guilty of making a few of those? :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's a Chinese-style stir fry (soy sauce, sherry, chili paste) with Thai-inspired garnishes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't have a show on Food Network. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Only my close friends and family are subjected to my experiments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If I want to "semi-ho" a Thai-inspired dish, (aka something I could make in 16 minutes) I would probably use some Thai curry paste and coconut milk or a jar of Thai simmer sauce from Trader Joe's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          the extra minute makes all the difference - (you need it to "doctor" the dressing)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: Berheenia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Interesting, I often look in the mirror and think I'm a grotesque parody of the man I was 10 years ago. Maybe I need a cooking show!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Till then I'll sooth my grotesquness with a other martini!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        4. I think the secret is THEY WORK CHEAP

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. The part of Oklahoma where the Drummond Ranch is located is not far (by our standards) from the iconic Pioneer Woman statue and museum built in 1930 I think. There are things named after it like "The Pioneer Woman Motel". It never seemed the least bit odd to me that somebody, especially a Drummond, a family that has been a significant part of that area for a long time, would name a business "The Pioneer Woman..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not a regular viewer but I know my farming/ranching relatives in that part of the state like her, like her recipes, and pretty much cook the same way. Her cinnamon roll recipe is the closest to my mother's as any I have seen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I love northern Oklahoma, particularly Kay & Osage counties. I find it very beautiful, and full of treasure in people & culture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Betty

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love your post Betty. very nice and kind the way you of speak of the state and RD in particular. now you've got me thinking I must try her cinnamon roll recipe and will.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              tonight we're having her creamy pasta sauce over noodles of some sort, haven't decided yet. hubby will get a protein that I've not decided on yet, I'll just have a serving of the sauce over noodles as I'm not that much of a protein girl myself. I made the sauce yesterday for dinner last night then hubby called and told me he was on his way home and was taking me out to dinner. yikes. so I packaged the sauce up for dinner tonight. it really is delicious as she instructs and made exactly 1 quart so it went into a Ball jar that I have. super!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              today she made her husbands pasta which looks really good and easy also.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Wow I thought this was a new show, I'm surprised to see this thread is almost two years old.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I actually watched one episode last week (re-run I'm sure) just because I've seen discussions like this on the boards. I thought the episode and show was honesty pretty ridiculous, and really didnt understand the "Pioneer" aspect of it. The episode I watched was about making roast beef sandwich's for a group of kids at a football camp. She made her own horseradish sauce, everything else was commercially produced materials.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I fail to see the commercial appeal of it myself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't really watch the show but I've made a couple of her recipes that I got off of her blog with great success. I made a beef stir fry which had you making your own sauce, as well as a chicken pot pie, which is about as "from scratch" as any other pot pie recipe I've see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What, she didn't walk you through butchering one of the cows that her husband raised? Milling the wheat grown on a neighboring farm? You need to watch Discovery's Alaska, the last frontier program instead. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    we tape ultimate survival Alaska or whatever it's called-2nd season and different premise from last season. my husband thinks it's staged, I think my husband is a stage ;:-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is not a cooking show however foraging, hunting, cooking are certainly a large part of it. This is more what I expected from a show titled "Pioneer Woman", rather than a woman broadcasting from her 4,000 sq foot "cabin".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/nak...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know if any of you have seen this but it is a ridiculous concept that is pretty hard not to watch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        we not only watch but tape this show from it's first showing. those participants are nuts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. watching the show that recorded this morning while my darling is slumbering. I woke early to bake the "clone CinnaBonns" that I took out of the freezer last night to thaw&rise. I know he'll wake up with the wafting smells soon. ReDru did baked ziti on her new show today that I'll be making cause it looks great and the kids'll love it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    copied the recipe so I don't have to look it up later>< lazy girl here ;-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. tonight I'm doing what she did on her show that featured her mother in law. it's a Thai beef over noodles. I hope they're good, never done this with these sort of flavors before. I made more Naan for sopping or scooping, plus we'll do carrot salad that we had the other day at a restaurant for a side really simple if I got it right, carrots mayo pineapple or pineapple juice, salt pepper raisins. really very refreshing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What is "Thai" about that recipe? The lime?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know Hamster, I didn't name it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          end result good, won't use those noodles ever again though, the texture made me nauseous .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Wow, I can't believe this thread is almost 2 years old. Where does the time go?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now that I've had 2 years worth of Pioneer Woman, I can say with certainty that it's just not my cup of tea. I'm sure there's a market for it, and people that really tap into that lifestyle (which I'm fairly sure is not pioneer-y). But this city woman likes challenging and interesting food, and I don't need it approved by cowboys, hungry kids, and random strays that fall within a 200 mile radius.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not hating, I don't know the woman, but this is just my two cents.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I seldom watch the show, but once in a while I tune in to look at the landscape and the house and the clothes and the glimpses of working the cows, etc. It's somewhat interesting to see into that world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The food is good ol' plain comfort food that can sometimes hit the spot, but it's usually sort of a gut bomb and is of the type that leaves me craving veggies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You hit the nail on the head with gut bomb!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A loaf of bread with 2 sticks of butter will do that to you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. She's talented, amusing, and good marketer, but...that grating voice. I don't think I'd like to be hearing that on a regular basis.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: lscanlon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good point. Her voice isn't ideal for television.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But I bet a lot of people out there identify with her just because of that. She is also not rail-thin like Giada, which makes her more like the "common person." I'm sure they did their homework at FN before they put her on TV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Regarding Giada, when she takes the required but gross, giant, close-up bite of food, I always picture the camera turned of for a moment there so that she can spit it back out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: lscanlon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Agreed, but what bothers me is her hair and eye make up. She really needs an update. The raccoon eye make up is very harsh and not flattering on a human. The long hair, parted in the center, draws too much attention to her large forehead.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Maryld

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for saying that - I haven't had the nerve, for fear of sounding shallow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Her producers are not doing her any favors by allowing her to look like that on air.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree, a refresh could do wonders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    She mentioned on her site that the producers were pushing her to use a stylist but she refused the service, preferring to do it herself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Women sometimes get stuck using more and more make-up, especially eye make-up, and get to the point where they are paranoid to change it or, god forbid, be seen without it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Too bad men are viewed as attractive as they age naturally, while women are supposed to "fight" it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PW really should get a makeover.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Women all over would cry tears of joy if they had that resource at their disposal.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The black eye liner and tent tops should be reconsidered in favor of softer colors and more form-fitting clothing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think Ree is a pretty woman, but she needs to let go of the '80's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "I think Ree is a pretty woman, but she needs to let go of the '80's"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But then she would have to acknowledge that Ronald Regan is not President anymore, "Marlboro Men" are passé, Madonna is now Jewish or British depending on the day, and Freddie Mercury was gay - its all too shocking for a ranch girl to handle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        the whole point of the show is to be as retro-Americana fantasy as possible -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But then everyone would come on CH and accuse her of being like Giada, et al. and "sexing" it up, blah, blah, blah. A woman just can't win in the media today.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can't see PW doing cleavage like Giada does cleavage!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I will say, though, that Giada has obviously availed herself of stylists over the years, and it really shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, I should also add great lighting and soft lenses, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Money and privilege throughout her life didn't hurt. Nothing against that - just pointing out the benefit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "I will say, though, that Giada has obviously availed herself of stylists over the years, and it really shows."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, her grandfather was Dino De Laurentis and her grandmother was Silvana Mangano!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes- very enviable genes!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She's always been very pretty, but now she's va-va-voom glamorous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jeez, her grandmother was gorgeous. Wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Jeez, her grandmother was gorgeous. Wow."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes. I agree!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "A woman just can't win in the media today."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Boy, is that ever true. But she should at least avoid shooting herself in the foot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                She doesn't need to "sex" it up, she just needs to avoid clearly bad decisions regarding her styling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I will also attack Guy Fieri for his style. I'm sure there are more than a few viewers who are grossed out to see him around food. I, for one, hate the close-ups of him getting sauce on his facial hair.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also, regarding makeup:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Men should be required to wear lots of makeup. It would not be long before no one would need to do so. Same idea as making men bear the children - no family would ever have more than one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pedalfaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I figured someone would bring that up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not the same thing, clearly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Of course- everyone on tee vee needs to wear makeup, but women get the full enchilada, while men get their foreheads deshined.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Child birth, yes I'm sure it's painful and can go on for days, but two words. Football practice! It would go on for months, often in 90 degree weather. It was always a quart of Gatorade or milk at home afterward because we were more or less denied water so we wouldn't get "water logged." 70's genius thinking at work. I'll bet Ree's husband Lad gets plenty of water working the ranch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't forget high heels! They'd be gone if men had to wear 'em.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          For sure! Ugh, the eighties...every day: sausage casing, skyscraper shoes, and spackle. We should infiltrate the terrorists and convince them that God wants them to dress this way -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Maryld

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have read her blog for a while -- before the tv show. I've made some of her recipes and had them turn out good. I have two kids and don't cook gourmet a lot of the time. Her sheet cake got good reviews as did her apple dumplings (made with soda!) I cut down the sugar when I make them, but folks do ask me for the recipe and now they make them too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That being said I'm not a huge fan of the tv show. I want my tv chefs to be more make from scratch and less packaged/convenience. And I would change her tops -- all those long droopy sleeves make me nuts because they have to get in the food when she cooks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. This thread is just like the show. It seems to NEVER END.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I like Ree Drummond. She seems like a positive, bubbly and friendly person and her website is (very cleverly) bright, cheerful and positive. I've never been bothered by her affluence (which was obvious to me from day 1 and I don't think she's ever pretended otherwise).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Despite periodically reading her blog and watching an episode here and there over the last few years I never cooked anything from her show, until last week when I made her Texas Sheet Cake. The reviews on her blog were glowing to the point that you might have believed it was the best thing ever made.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And it was unbelievably sweet, despite that I have a decently sweet tooth and still cut the amount of sugar in the recipe by a third. Pretty much all her recipes that I've looked at over the years have always appeared too sweet or too salty or call for too much butter. But Ree knows her audience very well and has become exceedingly successfully delivering what her audience wants, a somewhat sanitized, bright, cheerful and positive spin on standard American cooking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's nothing complicated or pretentious about her food or her lifestyle and even if you strip away the ranch background, her tastes are very much the standard upper middle class suburban tastes that many of her readers no doubt are familiar with. The ranch background provides lovely photographs and a slightly exotic element, but everything else about her is safely familiar and comfortable and aspirational for middle America. I imagine that's a large part of her appeal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. She lifts recipes from backs of boxes, church cookbooks etc and gives no credit, passing them off as her own. That, along with the fact that the " pioneer woman" schtick is fake, is why I dont like her. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. If you are a rich ranchers wife and you are a recipe collector ( and not an author), that is fine! Give credit to the place you obtained it, and stop pretending you are something you are not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Lellis

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I went to her web site, picked a recipe at random ( I swear) and this is what I got. She certainly seems to be giving credit to the source.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/20...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Lellis

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          in all honesty I don't think anyone thinks they are "her own" god knows where the producers pick the recipes for this show - she is an actress/personality here I am sure she has probably never made (or eaten) half the things on the show before filming - remember she is very busy being an "author" and "photographer" too - PW has the authenticity of a WWF Cage match. Its just a TV show - geared to a certain audience that apparently likes it - (not me) I would rather see a show by the OP's OTG friend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Lellis

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have seen this criticism a bunch of times and I don't get it. Admittedly, I do not read her blog, but the tv show is one of my "on in the background" programs, so I've seen it a bunch. With great frequency, when she introduces a recipe, she attributes it to a source. It's part of the "storytelling" so many people dislike. It's always, "my mom made this", or "I had this at the church potluck and just HAD to get the recipe" or "my BFF Hyacinth taught me this" or "my husband loves this, so his mother showed how to make it when we were married" or "our housekeeper from Mexico made the best tres leches cake and gave me the recipe" etc. etc. [I actually made that one and not gonna lie, it was hella good].

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do not believe I have EVER heard her say "here is a recipe I made up because I'm such an awesome cook."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: charmedgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              but do you believe those sources are real? I take it as part of the show - I assume a team of producers and writers feed her these recipes and stories (along with most other cooking shows)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: JTPhilly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think it's as "real" as the rest of the show; maybe some small basis in reality, but heavily stylized by the producers. My point is more that, in most cases, she is not claiming authorship of the recipes, but crediting them to other sources and that, in most cases, those other sources are just the sort of community-based cookery she is being accused of "stealing from" without attribution.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: charmedgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A quick review of the recipes on her website reads like a Chili's menu - I am not sure how anyone could "steal" recipes that are ultimately so typical and familiar to any American who has ever been to a chain restaurant. Perhaps that's why they feel stolen.... you've seen them before ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am actually a big fan of amateur recipe collections like churches and woman's groups put out - they are usually so wonderfully weird and varied a show based on those would actually be fun

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  the whole "Marlboro Man Approved' thing turns my stomach a bit - I realize that this show is created for a demographic that is not me but I really do find the whole stylized socio-economic construct a bit much with this show. The recipes themselves look ok if not very interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JTPhilly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't mind the show. I find it relaxing to have on in the background. I agree that the recipes are basic, typical, familiar, middle American, etc. They don't feel stolen to me any more than Ina Garten's recipe for roasted asparagus feels stolen. ("Toss with olive oil, salt and pepper to taste, put on baking sheet, roast at 400 for 20 minutes. How easy is that?" [disclaimer: I'm paraphrasing here to make a point; I did not go back and look up her recipe, but I am fairly sure it is close to this.]) Every once in a while one will catch my attention so I'll watch more closely. Even more rarely I'll make one. (I think I've made 3; 2 were complete hits and 1 was a complete miss.) The socio-economic thing doesn't bother me, but I understand that it does others, and that's cool, different strokes and all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I guess I just think it's fine if people don't like her and want to be critical of certain things, but the failing to "attribute recipes" slam just seems inaccurate and a little unfair.