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Apr 15, 2012 11:45 AM

Itinerary for our honeymoon in SF/Napa. Thoughts?

After researching the area a little and reading tons of posts on CH we have a pretty good idea of what we'd like to visit while we're on our honeymoon. Please give us any opinions/advice on not only the places we've picked, but on ones we may be missing out on. Our goal with these restaurants and activities is to focus on delicious, fun, and interesting places that are different from what we can find in South Florida.

Honeymoon Itinerary

Land at noon, get luggage, and check in and get settled. Hopefully done by 2pm
Lunch – Roli Roti, (Hopefully they’re at the Market Place because I'm obsessed with getting the porchetta sandwich)
Activity – Walk around Ferry Bldg Market Place
Dinner – Zuni Café or Gitane
Dessert – Bi Rite Creamery

Breakfast – Boulettes Larder or Hank’s Creekside Restaurant
Activity – Walk the Mission District
Lunch – Flour + Water, Tartine Bakery, or Hog Island Oyster Company
Dinner - Quince, Coi, Gary Danko, Redd, Aziza, Frances or Sons and Daughters (The first choice is Gary Danko, but money may be a factor in our decision)
Dessert – Scream Sorbet

Breakfast – Bouchon
Activity - Possibly checkout the Oxbow Market
Lunch – Bistro Sabor
Dinner – Redd Wood

Breakfast - Hotel
Activity – Rent bikes and tour vineyards within the area of bike rental
Lunch - Hopefully eat at the wineries
Dinner – Ad Hoc
After Dinner – 1313 Main?

Breakfast – Hotel
Activity – Visit the wineries we want to see (Choosing 4 between Darioush, Ladera, Caymus,Chimney Rock, Joseph Phelps, Duckhorn, Kuleto)
Lunch – Hopefully eat at the wineries
Dinner – Grace’s table

Breakfast – Hot Air Balloon with breakfast/brunch
Lunch – Gotts Roadside?
Dinner – The French Laundry

Extras – These are places that we're interested in that we may use to replace previous choices
Brunch at Brix
La Tacqueria
Marco Polo Italian Ice Cream
Plow for breakfast
Mustards Grill
Walking around Hayes Valley (Hayes St btw Laguna and Franklin)

Please understand that I haven't yet mapped this out so I'm sure that right now the order that these are in may be counterproductive, but I just want to find the places that we most want to visit and then worry about efficiently routing them later. We're also considering spending one more day in SF instead on Napa, but we're not sure yet. We are somewhat torn on attempting the French Laundry. We have friends that will be able to secure our reservations, but if we were to forgo FL we'd have more money to enjoy some other local places we were interested in (Redd, Gary Danko, Atelier Crenn, etc...). FL has always been sort of a bucket list thing for me, but if it's not worth it than I'd like to know, so if you've been to FL and have an opinion, than we'd appreciate that as well. Also, if you know of anything fun and/or romantic we can do in between eating than that would be great too. Thanks again, it's people like you taking the time to help us that are going to make this an amazing honeymoon for us!

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  1. The Thursday Ferry Plaza farmers market is 10am-2pm, so not much chance of making it to Roli Roti if you land at noon.

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    1. re: Robert Lauriston

      Plus, they tend to run out before they close. Even a Roli roti stop prior to the hotel may prove disappointing.

      Scream sorbet doesn't have a Brick and mortar store open at night. Plus, you can probably fet sorbet where you eat your meal that night--- Most high end places have sorbet as a dessert option.

      1. re: hyperbowler

        Scream's store is open until 10 weeknights and 11 Friday and Saturday, but it's in Oakland. They use a Pacojet, the results are not that similar to traditional sorbet.

        1. re: hyperbowler

          I know most places will have sorbet but I read that Scream's is supposed to be better than most so we were going to try and make it there, but if you have another suggestion besides Scream and Bi-rite please let us know. We love dessert so we don't mind leaving the restaurant for a place that has something more unique or interesting to offer. Thanks for you help.

          1. re: IDGuofM

            Per Scream's website, they are at the Ferry Building on Thursdays, 10am to 2pm. The pistachio is my favorite.

            1. re: IDGuofM

              Scream's sorbet is unparalleled. Their nut creams are better than anything I've ever had, and their fruit/water sorbets are glorious. The Seascape Strawberry has just come in and it's spectacular. I'm lactose intolerant and cannot eat regular ice cream. I worship at the altar of Scream.

              Note that Scream has a booth at the Ferry Plaza farmer's market on Saturday mornings as well.

              1. re: artemis

                Calling Scream's stuff "sorbet" is misleading. Normal nut sorbet recipes have you boil grated nuts in liquid, strain, and use that as the base for the sorbet (which may or may not contain dairy products). Scearm uses a Pacojet to turn whole nuts into a gelato-like puree.

                1. re: Robert Lauriston

                  So what are they supposed to call it? You have to use a name that people understand or don't have to be specifically educated to understand. Scream's "Pacojetted" nut purees really doesn't do it.

          2. re: Robert Lauriston

            The Saturday morning Farmer's Market is much better overall and they open at 8.

            1. re: Robert Lauriston

              You're spending Friday night in SF? You should go to the Ferry Building market first thing in the morning. Then you could get the market on its big day and try Roli Roti and Scream Sorbet. Yountville's a long way to go before breakfast.

              1. re: Robert Lauriston

                This is a good idea, if you're spending the night in SF. The Sat farmer's market at the Ferry Building is the best time to go and you don't want to risk missing Roli Roti.

                1. re: Robert Lauriston

                  That's a great idea and a perfect way to put together a lot of the places we want to try. Thanks for the suggestion Robert!

              2. Do not miss the French Laundry

                1. Just some notes on a well-thought itinerary:

                  Thursday Dinner:
                  I would say Zuni over Gitane. Gitane has a cool, funky atmosphere, and it is one of the few restaurants in the city serving decent Spanish food/paella/tapas. It's not, however, uniquely Californian or SF, and I feel like you can get much better versions of the food in other areas of the U.S.

                  I would scrap Hog Island Oyster Co for lunch. Hog Island is in the Ferry Building, which you already will be at Thursday. Hog Island is good, but it's not worth a special trip to a place you've already been. I'd just stop by on Thursday and split 1/2 a dozen or a dozen oysters.

                  For dinner Friday, I would advise going a little more casual/fun than Gary Danko considering you are doing the French Laundry on your trip. Frances, Aziaza or Incanto all would suit. Also, you may have done this on purpose, but you list Redd (a Napa restaurant) as a potential Friday dinner.

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                  1. re: goldangl95

                    i don't think gary danko and french laundry on one trip is too much, especially if they are separated by several days.

                    gary danko is very nice, and i don't know why someone would trek all the way across town to incanto instead, for their loud dining room and crappy service, unless price is the deciding factor.

                    1. re: goldangl95

                      I love Incanto and think the service there is great. And, if you're going to be in the Mission on Friday (including staying there for lunch at Tartine), then Incanto isn't far at all. In fact, if you've seen enough of the Mission, you can also check out Noe Valley and then you'd already be in the area.

                      Also, you might enjoy having a picnic at Dolores Park. Get some food from Tartine and/or Bi-Rite and spend some time people watching. Then you could hop on the J Church and it'll take you to Noe Valley.

                      1. re: nickis

                        Thanks for the idea about the picnic area, that's the kind of thing my wife is going to love. Is Delores Park within walking distance to Tartine and Bi-Rite?

                        1. re: IDGuofM

                          yes, very near, less than 2 blocks away.

                          1. re: IDGuofM

                            Just to clarify, I meant Bi-Rite Market. In case you thought I meant Bi-Rite Creamery. Although, obviously, there's nothing wrong with getting ice cream for a picnic! Both Bi-Rites and Tartine are on the same block.

                            1. re: nickis

                              When we were at Bi-Rite market we got some delicious organic chocolate covered peanut butter balls. They came in a small package and were delish!! We snacked on them on the way to Monterey.

                        2. re: goldangl95

                          Thanks for the input and for the info about Redd. I have this long list of places to try and I didn't always remember to mark where they were. I'm glad you're recommending Zuni over Gitane, I've more interested in their menu, especially the roast chicken that I keep reading about. Thanks again and please don't hesitate to comment on any additional recommendations.

                          1. re: goldangl95

                            If you go to the Hog Island on Thursday evening 5-7, they have a happy hour for half price oysters

                            1. re: M_and_H

                              That sounds great. We love happy hours!

                          2. I haven't been, but i would say if you can score a FL reservation, you should go for it.

                            That being said, my favorite upscale restaurant is Atelier Crenn. Far and above Gary Danko.
                            Flour + Water is not open for lunch (and F+W is not a fave of mine) but Cotogna, not on your list, IS, and is fantastic, especially now with its Spring menu. (clicking on the lunch menu gives you their Sunday menu, but the dinner & lunch menu, as far as I can tell, are the same. the sformato is to die for.


                            Of course, if you're walking the Mission District maybe you should just do a taqueria crawl (La Taqueria, Taqueria Vallarta, Taqueria San Jose, etc.) and save the big guns for dinner.

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                            1. re: mariacarmen

                              Thanks for the reply. Even though it's a lot of money, I think we are just going to go for it if we can secure the FL reservation. I don't know how long it will be before we can get back to that side of the country and I don't want to regret not going there. I also really like the idea of the taqueria crawl. Do they all have the same owner? What do you prefer at each one? Thanks again for your help!

                              1. re: IDGuofM

                                oh no, Pancho Villa and El Toro are the same owner, but the rest are all different owners. the mission has tons of taquerias, in varying degrees of good food, and you'll find a LOT of dispute here on which are the best. for me, La Taqueria does the carne asada right. San Jose - all about the al pastor. If Vallarta still exists (think they just moved), they have the setup of tacos you get off the cart - all cuts of meats - buche, lengua, carnitas, etc.

                                do a search for tacos here, and you'll find a TON of threads. Also, you might want to add a pupuseria or two to your crawl...

                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                  Yup, they're still at 3033 24th St. Adjacent to it is Balmy Alley, one of the best mural spots in the city.

                                  1. re: hyperbowler

                                    no, that location has another name now, can't remember what but I just walked by it 2 weeks ago - did they just rename it? I thought i had read they were actually moving....

                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                      Oh, I didn't notice anything askew but it's possible. I was there this past Saturday and only stopped in as far as the entryway for a quick taco (suadero... great stuff!)

                                      1. re: hyperbowler

                                        i've not found any evidence online that they've moved, so maybe i'm imagining it. but i could have sworn!

                                        1. re: mariacarmen

                                          Maybe you're thinking of Taqueria Vallarta's new location on Mission @ 16th (formerly El Maya Yucatan).

                            2. Thursday-get oysters at hog island since you are already in the ferry building
                              Friday-have a mission burrito, pupas or other area food, get dessert at tartine or bi-rite creamery.
                              Quince would be my preference for dinner, then Frances, Gary Danko, Coi, Aziza, then Sons and Daughters, I've had really hit and miss service at S&D.
                              Saturday-pick up some meat at Fatted Calf in the oxbow market
                              Tuesday-I'd skip Gotts.