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Itinerary for our honeymoon in SF/Napa. Thoughts?

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IDGuofM Apr 15, 2012 11:45 AM

After researching the area a little and reading tons of posts on CH we have a pretty good idea of what we'd like to visit while we're on our honeymoon. Please give us any opinions/advice on not only the places we've picked, but on ones we may be missing out on. Our goal with these restaurants and activities is to focus on delicious, fun, and interesting places that are different from what we can find in South Florida.

Honeymoon Itinerary

SAN FRANCISCO
THURSDAY
Land at noon, get luggage, and check in and get settled. Hopefully done by 2pm
Lunch – Roli Roti, (Hopefully they’re at the Market Place because I'm obsessed with getting the porchetta sandwich)
Activity – Walk around Ferry Bldg Market Place
Dinner – Zuni Café or Gitane
Dessert – Bi Rite Creamery

FRIDAY
Breakfast – Boulettes Larder or Hank’s Creekside Restaurant
Activity – Walk the Mission District
Lunch – Flour + Water, Tartine Bakery, or Hog Island Oyster Company
Dinner - Quince, Coi, Gary Danko, Redd, Aziza, Frances or Sons and Daughters (The first choice is Gary Danko, but money may be a factor in our decision)
Dessert – Scream Sorbet

NAPA
SATURDAY
Breakfast – Bouchon
Activity - Possibly checkout the Oxbow Market
Lunch – Bistro Sabor
Dinner – Redd Wood

SUNDAY
Breakfast - Hotel
Activity – Rent bikes and tour vineyards within the area of bike rental
Lunch - Hopefully eat at the wineries
Dinner – Ad Hoc
After Dinner – 1313 Main?

MONDAY
Breakfast – Hotel
Activity – Visit the wineries we want to see (Choosing 4 between Darioush, Ladera, Caymus,Chimney Rock, Joseph Phelps, Duckhorn, Kuleto)
Lunch – Hopefully eat at the wineries
Dinner – Grace’s table

TUESDAY
Breakfast – Hot Air Balloon with breakfast/brunch
Lunch – Gotts Roadside?
Dinner – The French Laundry

Extras – These are places that we're interested in that we may use to replace previous choices
Brunch at Brix
La Tacqueria
Marco Polo Italian Ice Cream
Plow for breakfast
Mustards Grill
Delfina
Incanto
Walking around Hayes Valley (Hayes St btw Laguna and Franklin)

Please understand that I haven't yet mapped this out so I'm sure that right now the order that these are in may be counterproductive, but I just want to find the places that we most want to visit and then worry about efficiently routing them later. We're also considering spending one more day in SF instead on Napa, but we're not sure yet. We are somewhat torn on attempting the French Laundry. We have friends that will be able to secure our reservations, but if we were to forgo FL we'd have more money to enjoy some other local places we were interested in (Redd, Gary Danko, Atelier Crenn, etc...). FL has always been sort of a bucket list thing for me, but if it's not worth it than I'd like to know, so if you've been to FL and have an opinion, than we'd appreciate that as well. Also, if you know of anything fun and/or romantic we can do in between eating than that would be great too. Thanks again, it's people like you taking the time to help us that are going to make this an amazing honeymoon for us!

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  1. Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 15, 2012 12:03 PM

    The Thursday Ferry Plaza farmers market is 10am-2pm, so not much chance of making it to Roli Roti if you land at noon.

    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/844255

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      hyperbowler RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 15, 2012 02:49 PM

      Plus, they tend to run out before they close. Even a Roli roti stop prior to the hotel may prove disappointing.

      Scream sorbet doesn't have a Brick and mortar store open at night. Plus, you can probably fet sorbet where you eat your meal that night--- Most high end places have sorbet as a dessert option.

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        Robert Lauriston RE: hyperbowler Apr 15, 2012 06:31 PM

        Scream's store is open until 10 weeknights and 11 Friday and Saturday, but it's in Oakland. They use a Pacojet, the results are not that similar to traditional sorbet.

        http://www.screamsorbet.com/contact.php

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          IDGuofM RE: hyperbowler Apr 15, 2012 07:11 PM

          I know most places will have sorbet but I read that Scream's is supposed to be better than most so we were going to try and make it there, but if you have another suggestion besides Scream and Bi-rite please let us know. We love dessert so we don't mind leaving the restaurant for a place that has something more unique or interesting to offer. Thanks for you help.

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            Kirk_T RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 02:44 PM

            Per Scream's website, they are at the Ferry Building on Thursdays, 10am to 2pm. The pistachio is my favorite.
            http://www.screamsorbet.com/markets.php

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              artemis RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 01:27 PM

              Scream's sorbet is unparalleled. Their nut creams are better than anything I've ever had, and their fruit/water sorbets are glorious. The Seascape Strawberry has just come in and it's spectacular. I'm lactose intolerant and cannot eat regular ice cream. I worship at the altar of Scream.

              Note that Scream has a booth at the Ferry Plaza farmer's market on Saturday mornings as well.

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                Robert Lauriston RE: artemis Apr 17, 2012 02:29 PM

                Calling Scream's stuff "sorbet" is misleading. Normal nut sorbet recipes have you boil grated nuts in liquid, strain, and use that as the base for the sorbet (which may or may not contain dairy products). Scearm uses a Pacojet to turn whole nuts into a gelato-like puree.

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                  wally RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 17, 2012 02:46 PM

                  So what are they supposed to call it? You have to use a name that people understand or don't have to be specifically educated to understand. Scream's "Pacojetted" nut purees really doesn't do it.

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            ferret RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 16, 2012 11:54 AM

            The Saturday morning Farmer's Market is much better overall and they open at 8.

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              Robert Lauriston RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 16, 2012 03:30 PM

              You're spending Friday night in SF? You should go to the Ferry Building market first thing in the morning. Then you could get the market on its big day and try Roli Roti and Scream Sorbet. Yountville's a long way to go before breakfast.

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                nickis RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 16, 2012 05:13 PM

                This is a good idea, if you're spending the night in SF. The Sat farmer's market at the Ferry Building is the best time to go and you don't want to risk missing Roli Roti.

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                  IDGuofM RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 17, 2012 07:05 AM

                  That's a great idea and a perfect way to put together a lot of the places we want to try. Thanks for the suggestion Robert!

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                lizziee RE: IDGuofM Apr 15, 2012 03:51 PM

                Do not miss the French Laundry

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                  goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Apr 15, 2012 09:49 PM

                  Just some notes on a well-thought itinerary:

                  Thursday Dinner:
                  I would say Zuni over Gitane. Gitane has a cool, funky atmosphere, and it is one of the few restaurants in the city serving decent Spanish food/paella/tapas. It's not, however, uniquely Californian or SF, and I feel like you can get much better versions of the food in other areas of the U.S.

                  Friday:
                  I would scrap Hog Island Oyster Co for lunch. Hog Island is in the Ferry Building, which you already will be at Thursday. Hog Island is good, but it's not worth a special trip to a place you've already been. I'd just stop by on Thursday and split 1/2 a dozen or a dozen oysters.

                  For dinner Friday, I would advise going a little more casual/fun than Gary Danko considering you are doing the French Laundry on your trip. Frances, Aziaza or Incanto all would suit. Also, you may have done this on purpose, but you list Redd (a Napa restaurant) as a potential Friday dinner.

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                    Dustin_E RE: goldangl95 Apr 16, 2012 12:14 PM

                    i don't think gary danko and french laundry on one trip is too much, especially if they are separated by several days.

                    gary danko is very nice, and i don't know why someone would trek all the way across town to incanto instead, for their loud dining room and crappy service, unless price is the deciding factor.

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                      nickis RE: goldangl95 Apr 16, 2012 01:34 PM

                      I love Incanto and think the service there is great. And, if you're going to be in the Mission on Friday (including staying there for lunch at Tartine), then Incanto isn't far at all. In fact, if you've seen enough of the Mission, you can also check out Noe Valley and then you'd already be in the area.

                      Also, you might enjoy having a picnic at Dolores Park. Get some food from Tartine and/or Bi-Rite and spend some time people watching. Then you could hop on the J Church and it'll take you to Noe Valley.

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                        IDGuofM RE: nickis Apr 17, 2012 07:10 AM

                        Thanks for the idea about the picnic area, that's the kind of thing my wife is going to love. Is Delores Park within walking distance to Tartine and Bi-Rite?

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                          mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 08:19 AM

                          yes, very near, less than 2 blocks away.

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                            nickis RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 08:46 AM

                            Just to clarify, I meant Bi-Rite Market. In case you thought I meant Bi-Rite Creamery. Although, obviously, there's nothing wrong with getting ice cream for a picnic! Both Bi-Rites and Tartine are on the same block.

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                              TeacherFoodie RE: nickis Apr 20, 2012 05:06 PM

                              When we were at Bi-Rite market we got some delicious organic chocolate covered peanut butter balls. They came in a small package and were delish!! We snacked on them on the way to Monterey.

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                          IDGuofM RE: goldangl95 Apr 17, 2012 07:08 AM

                          Thanks for the input and for the info about Redd. I have this long list of places to try and I didn't always remember to mark where they were. I'm glad you're recommending Zuni over Gitane, I've more interested in their menu, especially the roast chicken that I keep reading about. Thanks again and please don't hesitate to comment on any additional recommendations.

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                            M_and_H RE: goldangl95 Apr 18, 2012 10:32 AM

                            If you go to the Hog Island on Thursday evening 5-7, they have a happy hour for half price oysters

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                              IDGuofM RE: M_and_H Apr 18, 2012 01:20 PM

                              That sounds great. We love happy hours!

                          2. mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 11:35 AM

                            I haven't been, but i would say if you can score a FL reservation, you should go for it.

                            That being said, my favorite upscale restaurant is Atelier Crenn. Far and above Gary Danko.
                            Flour + Water is not open for lunch (and F+W is not a fave of mine) but Cotogna, not on your list, IS, and is fantastic, especially now with its Spring menu. http://www.cotognasf.com/menus.html (clicking on the lunch menu gives you their Sunday menu, but the dinner & lunch menu, as far as I can tell, are the same. the sformato is to die for.

                            )

                            Of course, if you're walking the Mission District maybe you should just do a taqueria crawl (La Taqueria, Taqueria Vallarta, Taqueria San Jose, etc.) and save the big guns for dinner.

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                              IDGuofM RE: mariacarmen Apr 17, 2012 07:14 AM

                              Thanks for the reply. Even though it's a lot of money, I think we are just going to go for it if we can secure the FL reservation. I don't know how long it will be before we can get back to that side of the country and I don't want to regret not going there. I also really like the idea of the taqueria crawl. Do they all have the same owner? What do you prefer at each one? Thanks again for your help!

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                                mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 08:44 AM

                                oh no, Pancho Villa and El Toro are the same owner, but the rest are all different owners. the mission has tons of taquerias, in varying degrees of good food, and you'll find a LOT of dispute here on which are the best. for me, La Taqueria does the carne asada right. San Jose - all about the al pastor. If Vallarta still exists (think they just moved), they have the setup of tacos you get off the cart - all cuts of meats - buche, lengua, carnitas, etc.

                                do a search for tacos here, and you'll find a TON of threads. Also, you might want to add a pupuseria or two to your crawl...

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                                  hyperbowler RE: mariacarmen Apr 17, 2012 10:03 AM

                                  Yup, they're still at 3033 24th St. Adjacent to it is Balmy Alley, one of the best mural spots in the city.

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                                    mariacarmen RE: hyperbowler Apr 17, 2012 11:44 AM

                                    no, that location has another name now, can't remember what but I just walked by it 2 weeks ago - did they just rename it? I thought i had read they were actually moving....

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                                      hyperbowler RE: mariacarmen Apr 17, 2012 12:43 PM

                                      Oh, I didn't notice anything askew but it's possible. I was there this past Saturday and only stopped in as far as the entryway for a quick taco (suadero... great stuff!)

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                                        mariacarmen RE: hyperbowler Apr 17, 2012 01:10 PM

                                        i've not found any evidence online that they've moved, so maybe i'm imagining it. but i could have sworn!

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                                          Melanie Wong RE: mariacarmen Apr 17, 2012 01:20 PM

                                          Maybe you're thinking of Taqueria Vallarta's new location on Mission @ 16th (formerly El Maya Yucatan).

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                              tjinsf RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 02:34 PM

                              Thursday-get oysters at hog island since you are already in the ferry building
                              Friday-have a mission burrito, pupas or other area food, get dessert at tartine or bi-rite creamery.
                              Quince would be my preference for dinner, then Frances, Gary Danko, Coi, Aziza, then Sons and Daughters, I've had really hit and miss service at S&D.
                              Saturday-pick up some meat at Fatted Calf in the oxbow market
                              Tuesday-I'd skip Gotts.

                              1. Melanie Wong RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 03:57 PM

                                FYI: Hank's Creekside Restaurant listed as an option for Friday is in Santa Rosa, about an hour north of San Francisco.

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                                  Mariana in Baja RE: Melanie Wong Apr 16, 2012 05:10 PM

                                  If you have time a visit to the DiRosa Art & nature Preserve is pretty special. And with limited time a visit to the Hess Gallery is also pretty terrific.

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                                  TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 05:56 PM

                                  If you go to Aziza for dinner, you can go to Ocean Beach after for the sunset and grab a drink at Cliff House. Or visit before dinner and get a drink at Cliff House. Aziza is amazing. Get the basteeya.

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                                    grayelf RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 17, 2012 09:43 PM

                                    Unless things have changed, be sure to get a cocktail at Aziza as well if you go. Still thinking about the ones I had with celery and cilantro respectively several years later :-).

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                                      Abby0105 RE: grayelf Apr 18, 2012 10:54 AM

                                      +1 on cocktails at Aziza. I loved the tarragon, cardamom, and cachaca.

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                                        jennymoon RE: Abby0105 Apr 25, 2012 01:26 PM

                                        +2 on the Aziza cocktails! I had the celery and the red bell pepper and both were so good. The red bell pepper especially - I still remember it vividly a year later.

                                        And the food is awesome. Best couscous I've ever had. Strong vote for Aziza here :)

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                                    TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 06:00 PM

                                    I would also pick Humphrey Slocumbe for ice-cream in the mission over Bi-Rite as the flavours are more original and the the ice-cream is creamier. Knead patisserie before 3 pm for a pomme d'amour. I would almost fly to SF right now so I could get one tomorrow! Best pastry ever!

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                                      mariacarmen RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 16, 2012 06:15 PM

                                      i would counsel the reverse, all due respect, TF, because i find the Humphrey Slocumbe flavors, while different and inventive a bit cloying after a bite or two. Or, what's nice is that you can try their weird/wacky flavors by sampling as many spoonfuls as you like, and then move on to Bi-rite. Bi-rite's flavors to me are clean and vibrant without making you tire of them after a couple of mouthfuls. And that way you get to try both!

                                      but definitely agree on Knead and that pomme d'amour - it's HEAVENLY.

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                                        hyperbowler RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 16, 2012 07:21 PM

                                        Knead Pastisserie is risky--- more often than not, they're out of what I want by 10 on weekedays, and sometimes even by 8:30. But that pomme d'Amour is one of the best pastries in the city and is worth the gamble. They're closed on Mondays and open Sat/Sun at 10AM.

                                        hmmm... I'd never thought of it that way before, but Mariacarmen's view of HS is spot on. I actually prefer HS to Bi-Rite, but I tend to get a smaller cone there.

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                                          tjinsf RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 17, 2012 03:30 AM

                                          I would disagree for the simple fact that having more unusual flavours doesn't make an ice cream place better just more trendy. Too many times when I have gone to humphrey slocumbes the ice cream has been too soft or conversely too hard and I even had one server tell me to get the ice cream in a cup because the cone he scooped always fell off. The majority of Humphrey Slocumbe's flavours are of note because of their unusualness not their taste. if you are visiting try them both and judge for yourselves.

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                                            IDGuofM RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 17, 2012 07:19 AM

                                            I didn't know about Knead Patisserie but it looks GREAT! I'm definitely adding that as one of our stops. I also like the idea of visiting HS and Bi-Rite. Yeah, it's probably ice cream overkill, but it's a special occasion so why not go all out? Are they close enough to walk from one to the other?

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                                              nickis RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 08:57 AM

                                              It's about a 20-30 minute walk. Maybe more of less depending on how quickly you walk. Definitely not walking distance if you want to do some kind of ice cream taste-off.

                                              But, since you're planning to check out the mission anyway, you could start at one and then end up at the other after you've checked out the mission. That'll give you enough time to be ready for more ice cream.

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                                                Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 09:01 AM

                                                The walk from Knead / HS to Bi-Rite along 24th St. and Valencia or vice-versa is part of the main route you'd want to follow for checking out the Mission.

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                                                  tjinsf RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 02:38 AM

                                                  I would start at HS and walk to Bi-rite by way of the clarion mural alley as well as all the other murals. Grab your ice cream from bi-rite and then head across the street to Dolores Park or continue walking on the street until you hit Castro Street.

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                                                    TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 02:10 PM

                                                    When we went to Knead it was a bit hard to find - the sign is not that obvious... just make sure to go by the street numbers. To get your pastry you actually walk to the back of the shop.

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                                                      mariacarmen RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 18, 2012 03:24 PM

                                                      yeah, look for the Local Mission Eatery sign instead - that's the restaurant, and Knead is in the back of it.

                                                2. mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 06:21 PM

                                                  here's a pic to tempt you to Knead and the pomme d'Amour.

                                                   
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                                                    TeacherFoodie RE: mariacarmen Apr 18, 2012 02:08 PM

                                                    Maria you are making me drool! I wonder how it would taste after being shipped to Toronto?!!

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                                                      mariacarmen RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 18, 2012 03:24 PM

                                                      a little ice pack, you should be good!

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                                                    walker RE: IDGuofM Apr 16, 2012 07:07 PM

                                                    I have not been to FL but EVERYONE I've talked to who has been has told me it's worth it. So, I say, GO. (Starve before you go!!)

                                                    You can offset the expense by choosing inexpensive, excellent places like tacos at La Taqueria.
                                                    Are you interested in dim sum? I love Yank Sing (Rincon Ctr, 101 Spear St, near Ferry Bldg.).

                                                    Don't miss salted caramel ice cream at Bi-Rite.

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                                                      IDGuofM RE: walker Apr 17, 2012 07:20 AM

                                                      The caramel ice cream at Bi-Rite is one on my top 5 things that I'm excited about out there (along with the porchetta sandwich, the FL, and a couple others) so I'm glad you're recommending it. Thanks!

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                                                        walker RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 09:37 AM

                                                        Try not to go when there is a line (45 Min. is not worth it). If you're there when there is a long line, if you want to just buy a pint, you can skip the line.

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                                                          grayelf RE: walker Apr 17, 2012 09:47 PM

                                                          Good advice re lineup at Bi Rite. On Saturday at 4:30 pm the lineup was more than two hours long on a cool but sunny afternoon. We walked by after dinner at Maverick around 9:30 on Sunday night and the line up was at least 45 minutes long. And it was 50 degrees out. San Franciscans love their ice cream :-).

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                                                            tjinsf RE: grayelf Apr 18, 2012 02:40 AM

                                                            also there is rarely a line for the soft serve and if you go during the weekday there is almost never a line for either door.

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                                                              grayelf RE: tjinsf Apr 18, 2012 09:58 AM

                                                              Yeah, we were hoping for the no-line option at the self serve on Sunday but alas it was closed so maybe the hours are more limited for it?

                                                              I didn't realize they are opening a new shop at Divis and Hayes. Perhaps that shop will be ready by the time the OP visits...

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                                                      ceekskat RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 12:57 PM

                                                      Wineries you have listed are good but some of them charge hefty tasting fees. For a cab/red lover, I highly recommend Neal Family Vineyards on Howell Mountain (free tasting unless last minute appointment change). Nice setting & beautiful, well priced wines.

                                                      We also really enjoyed Keenan Winery on our last visit to Napa. Located in Spring Mountain, they offer a variety of reds in a laid back, rustic setting. Tasting fee refunded with purchase of bottle or two (quite a bit of variety in tasting too).

                                                      Perhaps pick a few wineries for nice tour/setting & throw in some with just great tastings? You can also share tastings at the latter ones.

                                                      Also, not far from your hotel is Elyse Winery. Small & unpretentious, this would make for a nice stop on your bike ride.

                                                      Lastly, we also enjoy Darioush wines but the visit does feel commercial.

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                                                        IDGuofM RE: ceekskat Apr 18, 2012 01:10 PM

                                                        Thank you for your suggestions, those sound like the type of wineries we would enjoy. Can you tell me a little more about what you mean by Darioush feeling commercial? More info will help us better decide if it's one we end up checking out or perhaps saving for a later trip. Thanks again.

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                                                        Dawgmommy RE: IDGuofM Apr 17, 2012 04:54 PM

                                                        If you want to have lunch at the winery, plan on bringing your own provisions for a picnic, and look for a winery that has a picnic area. Depending on where your hotel is, you can get the makings at Oxbow, Sunshine Market (St Helena) or Bouchon and/or the market (can't remember the name) in Yountville.

                                                        Otherwise, I would skip Oxbow since you'll have been to the Ferry Bldg, which is much bigger and have more variety. The balloon rides are out of Yountville, so you can also wander around after wards and there are some tasting rooms in town. I would skip Gott's, it's good, but not worth all the driving.

                                                        As you narrow down your choices, then you can plan the stops to avoid driving back and forth, and do Hwy 29 one day and Silverado Trail the next for your tastings. Also keep in mind that both Howell Mountain and Spring Mountain are very steep and windy. Spring Mountain has a number of wineries, so you can spend the whole day there. I would recommend not doing more than 4 a day, as your palate will get tired.

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                                                          goldangl95 RE: Dawgmommy Apr 17, 2012 05:09 PM

                                                          Just a warning - Hwy 29 during busy season can try your patience esp. the traffic from South of Rutherford through St. Helena. There are excellent wineries, however, in that stretch. I think this area would be perfect for biking instead of driving between wineries. Be prepared for crowds. Off the top of my head:

                                                          Big, California Wines (but good and with balance):
                                                          Hall
                                                          Alpha Omega
                                                          BV (reserve tasting)
                                                          Mondavi (reserve tasting by appt)

                                                          More restrained:
                                                          Corison (by appt)

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                                                            Dawgmommy RE: goldangl95 Apr 17, 2012 06:21 PM

                                                            Definitely, on the traffic... it might be a better idea to start off in the Northern part first, especially if you're thinking of going to Spring Mountain and then make your way south, waving at all the people stacked up going north. Silverado is much less crowded; and also be aware that there are only a few cross roads between the 2, which is why I suggested doing them on separate days.

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                                                            IDGuofM RE: Dawgmommy Apr 18, 2012 01:19 PM

                                                            Thanks for you reply. I thought I had read about a few wineries that offer sandwiches and tapas on site, but I didn't write them down. If you or anyone else happens to remember some that are worth checking out, please comment as we would appreciate it.
                                                            I've had a few people suggest to skip Oxbow since we're already doing the Ferry Bldg and to skip Gott's, so my guess is that we probably will end up skipping them and ask some locals for lunch suggestions.

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                                                              Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 01:47 PM

                                                              Most wineries can't get permits to sell food due to their being located in agricultural zones.

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                                                                masha RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 01:52 PM

                                                                Seghesio Family Vineyards in Healdsberg offers a paired wine & food tasting menu for $35 to its Wine Club members and $50 to its non members. (I think you can become a member free just by signing up.) We were there last month and found the food to very good, as was the wine, especially if you like Zins. And, it really was a bargain, considering that we also were offered a free flight of wines in their tasting room, before the seating for the food-wine pairing (we'd arrived about 15 minutes early). Although we were not members of the wine club, they only charged us $35 apiece presumably because we bought 3 bottles of wine. Here is a link to the page of their website about the food-wine pairings. http://www.seghesio.com/VisitUs/WineF....
                                                                Also, that page has a link to a newspaper article (a few years old) that identifies a few vineyards with food/wine pairings, including Seghesio.

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                                                                  goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 02:11 PM

                                                                  Wineries that sell delis/foods are generally wineries to be avoided during peak season. I would highly advise grabbing food from Oxbow, Oakville Grocery, Dean & DeLuca etc. instead A few wineries are starting special parings with cheese or food catered from Bouchon etc. I don't see those as a great value as opposed to just picking up the food yourself and bringing it. I don't know if any of the wineries on your list are doing a special pairing type event . . .

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                                                                    Dawgmommy RE: goldangl95 Apr 18, 2012 05:21 PM

                                                                    I agree. Also, when a winery does a food and wine paring event, it can often be a very small plate of cheese, nuts, charcuterie, etc. to show how the flavors change and interact with the wine. Not what I would consider a meal.

                                                                    You mentioned Phelps, it has a very nice picnic area, but their wines are pricey. You can also consider sharing the taste. I like Stags' Leap alot, they have a very deep veranda, that you can relax in and have your picnic while looking out over the vineyards.
                                                                    They both need reservations.

                                                                    I think Spring Mountain was mentioned. I believe most of them need reservations, but it's a different feeling being high up and less touristy.

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                                                                TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 02:12 PM

                                                                I have to add that we had two absolutely fantastic breakfasts: one at Canteen and the other at Brenda's French Soul Food. I believe Canteen only has breakfast on weekends (and reservations are a must), but Brenda's is open daily. The beignets and shrimp and grits are great at Brenda's.

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                                                                  grayelf RE: TeacherFoodie Apr 19, 2012 06:42 PM

                                                                  Brunch at Canteens Sundays only, sadly: http://sfcanteen.com/

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                                                                  MagicMarkR RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 03:28 PM

                                                                  Someone below mentioned murals in passing. i'd go further than that: for your walk around the Mission, I would strongly recommend a mural tour. Take a look for example at Precita Eyes (http://www.precitaeyes.org/). I and my parents did the tour last year, and it was fascinating. At the very least, stop by the Precita Eyes center and pick up a mural map. The tour will give you a real inside look at the neighborhood as more than a bunch of bars, restaurants and (frankly) litter.

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                                                                    raconteur2012 RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 04:30 PM

                                                                    I can’t in good conscience recommend going to Zuni. The service, which has never been a strong suit, has gotten markedly worse (tap water, apparently, is a rare commodity to be doled out but once per customer no matter how you might implore) and the food isn’t really great shakes in comparison to other restaurants in the city. It’s a dinosaur of a restaurant full of uncomfortable corners and awkward cubbies which might have been charming in the 80s, but has, at least from my perspective, long since lost its luster. So in short, go elsewhere…you’ve got a great itinerary of places to hit while you’re in town—skip this one.

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                                                                      Robert Lauriston RE: raconteur2012 Apr 18, 2012 04:39 PM

                                                                      I ate at Zuni several times in the past year and it was as good as ever, and the wine list has better values. Still one of my favorite restaurants in SF.

                                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7251...

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                                                                        raconteur2012 RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 18, 2012 04:47 PM

                                                                        I agree, the wine list has some very good values for the city, but I think I prefer to pay corkage and go somewhere where I won't need to pack a flare gun to get the attention of the staff. In reading your thread link, it seems I'm not the only one to notice that the GM needs to enforce service standards a bit better.

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                                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: raconteur2012 Apr 18, 2012 04:54 PM

                                                                          I've only had service issues at Zuni once in the many times I've been there, usually it's exemplary.

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                                                                            steve h. RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 18, 2012 05:24 PM

                                                                            Alas, service is not a strong suit. I'm a long-time fan of the place but staff would benefit from a little adult supervision.
                                                                            just my $0.02.

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                                                                            raconteur2012 RE: raconteur2012 Apr 18, 2012 05:22 PM

                                                                            Individual experience may vary, and so it has in this case. Still of the 5 times I've attended in the last several years, I've been disappointed in 4 of them, so to put it indelicately, I'm "Ike Turner-ed Out" on Zuni. I've been more than fair and generous in my appraisal of Zuni and its fallen short, so we'll have to disagree on whether it's an appropriate dining spot for this couple's honeymoon.

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                                                                          weshoke RE: raconteur2012 Jun 18, 2012 07:54 PM

                                                                          I've been to Zuni on average every 1.5 months for the past year or so. It's always good. I've never found the service to be anything but stellar. Maybe I'm just not that demanding though. I find the chicken to be better at Zuni than at Nopa. Order it when you first sit down and then slowly make your way through some starters. It's a fantastic way to spend the evening.

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                                                                            IDGuofM RE: weshoke Jun 20, 2012 01:52 PM

                                                                            That's exactly what the plan is! I don't usually order a lot of chicken but I keep hearing and reading about how good is it at Zuni so we're in for it.

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                                                                          jenikap RE: IDGuofM Apr 18, 2012 05:13 PM

                                                                          I agree that the Ferry Building Saturday AM is by far the best way to do the Farmer's market. THe weekdays don't really compare. As an Oakland resident, I love scream but wouldn't travel to OAK to eat it, especially if Bi-Rite Creamery can do the trick. Also, I think Oxbow Market in Napa IS worth a visit, especially if you're looking for take out eats.

                                                                          As for restaurants, French Laundry if you can get in is a must but Gott's Roadside you can eat at the Ferry Building. I love F+W (if they're having a dough room dinner while you're there its not to be missed but as mentioned, not open for lunch). And, I recently ate at Sons & Daughters and thought it was overpriced and a bit fussy. Someone mentioned Cotogna which is owned by the Quince folks and is supposed to be fab (we haven't been able to get in yet; same with Frances, BTW).

                                                                          As for wineries, I have to agree that there are some interesting small, artisanal wineries that might be more fun that the big tasting rooms. Many of the smaller wineries listed in the string, like Elyse and Keenen, are solid choices and Chase Vineyards (they are known for their Zins) in St.Helena is a favorite (Tell Jeff that Jen from VineCrowd says hi if you go :) Also, the owners of Clif Bar/Clif Family Winery & Farm run a fab a new tasting room at the southern end of Main Street in St. Helena, Velo Vino that rocks. And, for the architecture alone, Clos Pegase is worth a visit, especially if you don't get to Napa too often.

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                                                                            grayelf RE: jenikap Apr 19, 2012 06:44 PM

                                                                            I would be very happy if I got taken to Cotogna for a lunch on my honeymoon -- surprisingly cosy and intimate. Their spring menu was pretty great last Friday. I can't believe I was sampling it just six days ago.

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                                                                            IDGuofM RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 05:39 PM

                                                                            We've taken what many of you have helped us with and updated our itinerary. We've decided to stay one more day in SF and one less in Napa. Please feel free to comment on anything we've chosen. We still don't really know the area so if you see that we've set ourselves up to run back and forth on a particular day, please let us know that as well. We're still open to any and all suggestions as almost every place we've selected has been from word of mouth and not from personal experience of our own. Also, my wife mentioned wanting to spend some time by the Golden Gate Bridge, perhaps riding bikes over it and getting a bite to eat. Please let me know if you see anywhere in the itinerary that I may be able to slide this in. Thanks you all for your help.

                                                                            Honeymoon Itinerary

                                                                            SF

                                                                            THURSDAY
                                                                            Land at noon, get luggage, and check in and get settled. Hopefully done by 1:30pm
                                                                            Lunch – Picnic at Delores Park (Food from Bi-rite market) if weather permits.
                                                                            Activity – Go with the flow and explore a little.
                                                                            Dinner – Zuni Café
                                                                            Dessert – Bi Rite Creamery

                                                                            FRIDAY
                                                                            Breakfast – Knead Patisserie
                                                                            Activity – Walk the Mission District
                                                                            Lunch –La Taqueria or Tartine(not sure about either of these) then Humphrey Slocombe
                                                                            Dinner – Incanto or Commonwealth

                                                                            SATURDAY
                                                                            Breakfast –Somewhere in or near the Ferry Bldg?
                                                                            Activity – Ferry Bldg Market Place
                                                                            Lunch – Roli Roti and Scream Sorbet!
                                                                            Dinner –Aziza

                                                                            NAPA

                                                                            SUNDAY
                                                                            Breakfast/brunch – Brix, then check into hotel
                                                                            Activity – Rent bikes and tour vineyards within the area
                                                                            Lunch - Hopefully eat at the wineries with food from Oxbow or Bouchon
                                                                            Dinner – Ad Hoc (depending on the menu that day. Other suggestions?)

                                                                            MONDAY
                                                                            Breakfast – Hotel
                                                                            Activity – Visit the wineries we want to see (Choosing about 4 between Darioush, Ladera, Caymus,Chimney Rock, Opus, Joseph Phelps, Duckhorn, Kuleto, Keenan, Seghesio
                                                                            Lunch – ???
                                                                            Dinner – Grace’s table
                                                                            TUESDAY
                                                                            Breakfast – (Hotel or at) Hot Air Balloon with breakfast/brunch
                                                                            Lunch – Something light, we’ll probably just see what looks good wherever we’re at.
                                                                            Dinner – The French Laundry

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                                                                              walker RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 06:08 PM

                                                                              I adore the tacos (crispy ones) at La Taqueria but most people would be very impressed by Tartine; I was just in there yesterday. Since Bi-Rite Creamery is 1/2 block away, I would do Tartine and ice cream at same time. (There was no line yesterday (Monday) during the day.

                                                                              Concerning Bi-Rite Market: some of the eggs are $8.99 dozen and jamon Iberico is $99.99 lb -- (is anything worth that much a pound?)

                                                                              If you like caesar salads, have the one at Zuni -- I think it's perfection.

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                                                                                IDGuofM RE: walker Apr 24, 2012 07:10 PM

                                                                                It sounds like either would work for us, but since we're coming out to California we'll probably try La Taqueria. I definitely want to get in some Mexican while we're out there. Those prices are definitely a little high for what we're interested in. We'll still stop by and check out Bi-Rite Market but is there another place in the area to get some picnic food?

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                                                                                  Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 07:40 PM

                                                                                  Bi-Rite has great picnic stuff that's not wildly expensive.

                                                                                  http://biritemarket.com/category/kitc...

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                                                                                    mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Apr 25, 2012 01:11 PM

                                                                                    you could get yourself sandwiches and chips and stuff at Rhea's (located inside the liquor store itself.) http://sanfrancisco.menupages.com/res...
                                                                                    corner of Valencia and 19th.

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                                                                                    Dustin_E RE: walker Apr 25, 2012 01:15 PM

                                                                                    jamon iberico costs that much anywhere.

                                                                                    i think bi-rite would be a great place for picnic supplies.

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                                                                                      Dustin_E RE: walker Apr 25, 2012 01:18 PM

                                                                                      jamon iberico costs that much anywhere -- it is cut extremely thin -- you just get $5 or $10 worth for a nice treat for 1 or two people.

                                                                                      bi-rite is a great place for picnic supplies -- just avoid the ridiculously price things (and don't buy 2 pounds of jamon iberico for your picnic.)

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                                                                                      Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 06:55 PM

                                                                                      Hank's Creekside is in Santa Rosa. With no traffic that would be 2-1/2 hours round trip.

                                                                                      Jamon Iberico is worth the price.

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                                                                                        IDGuofM RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 24, 2012 07:07 PM

                                                                                        Thanks Robert, we'll scratch Hank's

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                                                                                          walker RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 24, 2012 08:31 PM

                                                                                          This is from pigs that have been eating acorns, right? I had it when I was in Barcelona and it was very good but I don't think the price should be higher than great prosciutto.

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                                                                                            Robert Lauriston RE: walker Apr 25, 2012 08:49 AM

                                                                                            Jamón ibérico de bellota is the highest grade of jamón ibérico. I lived in Italy and had a lot of top-quality prosciutto. Spain raises the bar considerably higher.

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                                                                                          goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 08:55 PM

                                                                                          Sunday Lunch: Also consider getting supplies from Oakville Grocery or Dean and Deluca if its convenient.

                                                                                          On your choice of wineries.

                                                                                          Opus One only provides a tasting of 2 wines for $45. I am pretty blase about tasting fees, but that one is rather extreme in my mind.

                                                                                          Keenan is up a significant drive on Spring Mountain so would suggest skipping or picking a couple other wineries to go to such as Smith Madrone or Pride. All wineries on spring mountain or appt only.

                                                                                          Seghesio is in Sonoma - so would scrap that.

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                                                                                            Nina RE: IDGuofM May 28, 2012 05:30 PM

                                                                                            Have you considered Morimoto Napa for one of your unscheduled Napa meals? I just made my fifth visit there yesterday....consistently excellent, beautiful space, relaxed atmosphere. Last night I had lamb carpaccio to start and then "duck duck goose", a dish involving foie gras, which you won't be able to have in August because it's banned after July 1, but the rest of it -- duck confit fried rice, duck broth, and duck breast -- would still be good.

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                                                                                              IDGuofM RE: Nina May 30, 2012 02:52 PM

                                                                                              Banned?? I had no idea about that! Is it banned in all of California? I hope not, I've been looking forward to the torchon at FL for about 10 years now.

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                                                                                                goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM May 30, 2012 03:03 PM

                                                                                                Not sure if there's any carve outs, but it is for all of California, we'll see how restaurants address it after July 1. They had years to come up with a solution, and they did nothing until about a month ago, so it looks like this Foie Gras ban may stick pretty well.

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                                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM May 30, 2012 03:24 PM

                                                                                                  yep, it sucks, but it's true. maybe the restaurants here will do what Chicago apparently did and sell toast points or whatever accompaniement for $20 and "give" the foie away for "free."

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                                                                                                cyssf RE: IDGuofM Jun 18, 2012 08:41 AM

                                                                                                Eat breakfast at the Farmers market. Hayes Street grill has Hobb's bacon, tomato and scrambled eggs on Acme baguette but I've switched to chilequillas at the Mexican stand around the corner whose name escapes me right now.

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                                                                                                  grayelf RE: cyssf Jun 18, 2012 10:48 AM

                                                                                                  Primavera?

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                                                                                                    cyssf RE: grayelf Jun 18, 2012 11:37 AM

                                                                                                    That's it! Driving in Oregon now (actually passenger and not driving so not texting while driving).

                                                                                              3. Ruth Lafler RE: IDGuofM Apr 24, 2012 07:35 PM

                                                                                                Where are you spending Friday night? Because I personally think that the Saturday Ferry Plaza farmers market is a much better option for Saturday morning that Bouchon. I saw someone else recommended the Saturday market on your previous thread and you seemed enthusiastic, but perhaps misunderstood and thought it was in Napa?

                                                                                                You can get your porchetta -- and so much more! -- at the Ferry Plaza Saturday market. Oxbow is really not in the same league (or really the same thing, since it's a market hall and not a farmers market).

                                                                                                You mentioned Atelier Crenn. I'd put that over almost all your other choices for Friday night. You have Redd on your Friday night possibles list -- you know it's in Napa, right? Gary Danko is very ten years ago: good, but not exciting nor particularly "San Francisco."

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                                                                                                  goldangl95 RE: Ruth Lafler Apr 24, 2012 08:34 PM

                                                                                                  Hi Ruth, you are replying to the wrong itinerary. OPs new itinerary (see above post) is as follows:

                                                                                                  We've taken what many of you have helped us with and updated our itinerary. We've decided to stay one more day in SF and one less in Napa. Please feel free to comment on anything we've chosen. We still don't really know the area so if you see that we've set ourselves up to run back and forth on a particular day, please let us know that as well. We're still open to any and all suggestions as almost every place we've selected has been from word of mouth and not from personal experience of our own. Also, my wife mentioned wanting to spend some time by the Golden Gate Bridge, perhaps riding bikes over it and getting a bite to eat. Please let me know if you see anywhere in the itinerary that I may be able to slide this in. Thanks you all for your help.

                                                                                                  Honeymoon Itinerary

                                                                                                  SF

                                                                                                  THURSDAY
                                                                                                  Land at noon, get luggage, and check in and get settled. Hopefully done by 1:30pm
                                                                                                  Lunch – Picnic at Delores Park (Food from Bi-rite market) if weather permits.
                                                                                                  Activity – Go with the flow and explore a little.
                                                                                                  Dinner – Zuni Café
                                                                                                  Dessert – Bi Rite Creamery

                                                                                                  FRIDAY
                                                                                                  Breakfast – Knead Patisserie
                                                                                                  Activity – Walk the Mission District
                                                                                                  Lunch –La Taqueria or Tartine(not sure about either of these) then Humphrey Slocombe
                                                                                                  Dinner – Incanto or Commonwealth

                                                                                                  SATURDAY
                                                                                                  Breakfast –Somewhere in or near the Ferry Bldg?
                                                                                                  Activity – Ferry Bldg Market Place
                                                                                                  Lunch – Roli Roti and Scream Sorbet!
                                                                                                  Dinner –Aziza

                                                                                                  NAPA

                                                                                                  SUNDAY
                                                                                                  Breakfast/brunch – Brix, then check into hotel
                                                                                                  Activity – Rent bikes and tour vineyards within the area
                                                                                                  Lunch - Hopefully eat at the wineries with food from Oxbow or Bouchon
                                                                                                  Dinner – Ad Hoc (depending on the menu that day. Other suggestions?)

                                                                                                  MONDAY
                                                                                                  Breakfast – Hotel
                                                                                                  Activity – Visit the wineries we want to see (Choosing about 4 between Darioush, Ladera, Caymus,Chimney Rock, Opus, Joseph Phelps, Duckhorn, Kuleto, Keenan, Seghesio
                                                                                                  Lunch – ???
                                                                                                  Dinner – Grace’s table
                                                                                                  TUESDAY
                                                                                                  Breakfast – (Hotel or at) Hot Air Balloon with breakfast/brunch
                                                                                                  Lunch – Something light, we’ll probably just see what looks good wherever we’re at.
                                                                                                  Dinner – The French Laundry

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                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: goldangl95 Apr 24, 2012 08:41 PM

                                                                                                    Thanks. I thought I'd read the whole thread but probably confused it with another very similar thread. Current itinerary looks excellent!

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                                                                                                      Dustin_E RE: goldangl95 Apr 24, 2012 10:29 PM

                                                                                                      You're spending 2 of your 3 days in san francisco in the mission. i'd strongly suggest you spend only one day there, and explore some other neighborhoods instead.

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                                                                                                        IDGuofM RE: Dustin_E Apr 25, 2012 04:47 AM

                                                                                                        We'd love to Dustin but we don't really know much more about the area. Would you mind making some suggestions for us?

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                                                                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Apr 25, 2012 08:50 AM

                                                                                                          You should create a couple of personalized Google maps, one for SF and one for the wine country, so you understand which places are near each other and can create a sensible itinerary.

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                                                                                                            Dustin_E RE: IDGuofM Apr 25, 2012 09:23 AM

                                                                                                            Dolores park area is the most beautiful and nicest part of the mission, by far. Places on your list within a couple blocks of here are:

                                                                                                            Bi-rite market
                                                                                                            Bi-rite creamery
                                                                                                            Tartine
                                                                                                            Commonwealth

                                                                                                            Farther south, starting at 25th and mission, the area is much less pretty, and much less nice to walk in. Not that it is necessarily unsafe, or miserable (i walk there occasionally) -- there are just much nicer places in the city.

                                                                                                            La Taqueria is here
                                                                                                            Humphrey Slocombe and Knead are a further 4 or so blocks blocks east.
                                                                                                            Incanto is ~10 blocks due south of dolores park.

                                                                                                            I'd suggest you spend your thursday afternoon and evening in the mission, starting near dolores park, grabing snacks at these places (you could probably do most if not all in an afternoon, if you order lightly at each. Do your dinner at incanto or commonwealth, then be done with the mission.

                                                                                                            friday explore whatever combination of golden gate park, north beach, fisherman's wharf, castro, union square, chinatown, marina/crissy field, pac heights/japantown you want. get dinner at zuni this night.

                                                                                                            saturday do the ferry building in the morning
                                                                                                            explore another neighborhood or two in the afternoon.
                                                                                                            do azizza for dinner. (or switch zuni and azizza if you change the neighborhoods you want to explore.

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                                                                                                              IDGuofM RE: Dustin_E Apr 26, 2012 05:10 PM

                                                                                                              These are great suggestions and really help us with some more ideas. Thanks a lot for the input. Is Fisherman's Wharf big enough to spend the day at or is it something that can be done with in a few hours? Japantown and Chinatown both interest us, is there one that is more interesting for out of towners than the other? Thanks again.

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                                                                                                                goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Apr 26, 2012 11:15 PM

                                                                                                                Japantown is really a mall with curio shops and some good food places. If there's some Japanese specific item you are craving, it's a good place to go - but there's not much to see. You could combine it with wandering around Fillmore (see GrayElf's rec below), but the Fillmore area, for me, though a really great neighborhood feels less uniquely SF than some other neighborhoods.

                                                                                                                Chinatown is more interesting - though really only a couple hours of interesting. There's nice places to pick up pork buns, and gawk at ducks hanging in the windows etc...

                                                                                                                An alternative option to Japantown would be to hang out in Golden Gate Park and go to the Japanese Tea Garden and the Asian Art Museum. You can have tea and snacks in the garden (though it gets rather crammed).

                                                                                                                Fisherman's Warf has seals...and it's a warf. IMHO not much to do, unless you are into tourist gift shops - and the food is very average. It's worth stopping by, but I would also combine (assuming it's not fogged in) that with fort mason + marina + palace of fine arts + pics of golden gate bridge. Or with a trip to Alcatraz. The marina has some good restaurants such as A16, and Tacolicious, and also has pubs and winebars.

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                                                                                                                  grayelf RE: goldangl95 Apr 26, 2012 11:22 PM

                                                                                                                  The Asian Art Museum is a good idea for another reason (it is not near Golden Gate Park but rather in the Civic Centre across from the imposing City Hall) -- the OP might venture into the Tenderloin for some snacking options. Although I agree with (and have experienced) the dumbing down of the food at Burmese Kitchen it's still worth a stop if you haven't tried Burmese. There's also lots of Vietnamese around there, and it's not that far to Lers Ros for topnotch Thai, especially the appetizers. Maybe not the most romantic strolling for a honeymoon...

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                                                                                                                    goldangl95 RE: grayelf Apr 27, 2012 12:34 AM

                                                                                                                    Thanks for the correction on the Asian Art Museum, though I've been to the new location, my mind slipped.

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                                                                                                                  walker RE: IDGuofM Apr 27, 2012 12:05 AM

                                                                                                                  Rec. for Chinatown: Start walking at the entrance, Bush/Grant. Walk Grant to the end (Broadway). (If Golden Gate Bakery is open, there is usually a line. Great egg custard tarts.) If you then cross and walk on upper Grant, that's the North Beach (Italian/Beat) area. Grant is fun because there are lots of little shops and it's FLAT. The streets that cross it are steep and full of restaurants.

                                                                                                                  After the Grant walk, walk back on Stockton -- that's where all the Chinese food shops are, very interesting. (Stockton is also a flat street.)

                                                                                                                  There are Segway tours of the wharf and also in GG Park -- my daughter did one in the park and loved it.

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                                                                                                                  grayelf RE: Dustin_E Apr 26, 2012 11:01 PM

                                                                                                                  As a somewhat frequent visitor to SF, I'm more and more enamoured of strolling along Valencia in the Mission. There are many interesting boutiques (hello pirate store at 826 Valencia -- you know you need an eye patch!) with more every trip. Stop in at Mission Cheese for a $12 Mongers Choice cheese taster and a glass of something. Buy some vanilla at Xanath and try their ice cream while you're there to compare with the other ice cream shops on your list.

                                                                                                                  One logistical suggestion: have your Roli Roti on Saturday for a late breakfast. The lineup gets pretty insane for lunch proper, but 10/10:30 has worked well for us. If you gotta have it for lunch, bring a parasol so you don't melt waiting if it's sunny (or an umbrella if it's raining).

                                                                                                                  I don't recall if you said where you are staying but if you happen to be near Coffee Bar in the Financial District, you might want to pop in one morning to get a kouign amann from Starter Bakery in Oakland. This is a pastry worth making an effort for, especially the hazelnut one.

                                                                                                                  Another area we like to nose around in is the Fillmore (start at about California and walk down). Various options for snacking (an outpost of Pizzeria Delfina, SPQR, Out the Door etc) and some fine De La Paz coffee at Jane which has free wifi -- handy for on-the-fly itin tweaking, as well as some lovely boutiques, card shops, home stores and so on.

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                                                                                                                  goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Apr 25, 2012 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                  Marina area has cute shops and restaurants (though the restaurants tend to be more pricey and less diverse), very different from the Mission and near the water, it's somewhat close to the Palace of Fine Arts, and you can get some excellent views of the Golden Gate restaurants.

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                                                                                                                    IDGuofM RE: goldangl95 Apr 26, 2012 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                    Didn't know about this area but it looks fun. Thanks for the suggestion!

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                                                                                                              Dustin_E RE: Ruth Lafler Apr 25, 2012 01:31 PM

                                                                                                              >> Gary Danko is very ten years ago: good, but not exciting nor particularly "San Francisco."

                                                                                                              Very true. Unfortunately, the food there is also a lot better than the exciting and particularly "San Francisco" places, imho.

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                                                                                                                IDGuofM RE: Dustin_E Apr 26, 2012 05:12 PM

                                                                                                                Honestly I'd love to go to Gary Danko but I just don't think we can budget it. Something to look forward to on a future trip I guess.

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                                                                                                                  Dustin_E RE: IDGuofM Apr 27, 2012 08:39 AM

                                                                                                                  if you can't budget it, just skip it. tons of other great and less expensive food in sf. though i should mention they also have a (very pretty with lots of fresh flowers) bar where you can order a la carte -- small plates are $20, and you can order one or two -- makes GD a much better value.

                                                                                                            3. Bayareafoodiei RE: IDGuofM Apr 27, 2012 04:11 PM

                                                                                                              Just my two cents, but we spent 10 days in Napa/SF for our honeymoon a couple of months ago and ate at a few of the places on your list. While the French Laundry was good, it was not mind blowing. The best thing was the oyster and pearls. Salad course was very blah as well as one of the meat courses. Everything else was really good, but not great. My husband thought Gary Danko had the best entree of the trip (the whole meal was phenomenal). We also love Quince and REDD was also fantastic. Keep in mind that like you FL was also on our bucket list and we are glad we went, but have no desires to go back.

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                                                                                                                TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM May 22, 2012 04:49 PM

                                                                                                                Just wondering if you have been on the trip yet and how you enjoyed the restaurants?

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                                                                                                                  IDGuofM RE: TeacherFoodie May 24, 2012 05:22 AM

                                                                                                                  Not yet Teacher Foodie. We're heading out in the beginning of August. I've taken all of the recs from here and from some friends and I'm pretty happy with the restaurants, but we're still trying to find a hotel in SF. We want somewhere that's not too far from The Wharf and/or the mission, with a good reputation. We'd like to keep the rate to $200/night or less so if you have any ideas for places you recommend, then we'd love to hear them. Thanks!

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                                                                                                                    walker RE: IDGuofM May 24, 2012 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                    Union Square is the center of town and department stores .. this area is in between the wharf and the mission with lots of hotels. If you want to stay at the wharf, check out Holiday Inn Express. There's also a Marriott Courtyard on the wharf and also one on 2nd Street, South of Market near financial and Union Square.

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                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: walker May 25, 2012 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                      Union Square is also closer to the main public transit lines -- it's a more central location if you're using public transit (highly recommended, since parking is difficult and/or expensive).

                                                                                                                      One final comment: August in the city itself can be chilly -- especially down by the waterfront -- while Napa can be quiet warm. Pack layers, including a medium-weight jacket (i.e. what you'd wear on a breezy 55-degree evening). Plan for days in the 80s to low 90s but 60ish in the evenings in Napa.

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                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: IDGuofM May 24, 2012 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                      Paying forward the fact that I first read about this site on chowhound: www.biddingfortravel.com. If you take the time to read all the material on this site and use their resources and techniques, you can save $$$ and stay in nicer hotels.

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                                                                                                                        Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM May 25, 2012 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                        Parker Guest House is a block from Bi-Rite Creamery, two blocks from Delfina, and three blocks from Tartine.

                                                                                                                        The Wharf is one of the worst tourist traps in the world, the worst food neighborhood in town, and not conveniently located for getting anywhere better.

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                                                                                                                          grayelf RE: Robert Lauriston May 25, 2012 08:01 PM

                                                                                                                          I have relatives who stay at the Parker twice a year and love it. Really handy for all the food goodness in the Mission, not to mention the Bart station.

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                                                                                                                            mick RE: Robert Lauriston Jun 18, 2012 09:37 PM

                                                                                                                            Its convieniently located for getting to Alcatraz. I don't hang there either but for a a tourist, I think thats way they are, or just to see it, there are worse ways to spend an hour or two.
                                                                                                                            IDGuofm If your spending that much time in and around the mission, your best to get a place to stay around there. I think your choices of eating around there are great, but I definately would not want to spend the good part of 2 days on my honeymoon exploring the mission. I'd try and break that down to 1 afternoon and explore other areas of the city that have been mentioned'

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                                                                                                                        IDGuofM RE: IDGuofM Jul 29, 2012 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                        We are just 10 days out from our first visit/honeymoon to the West Coast and we couldn't be more excited! We want to post our final itinerary one last time in hopes that we either have it right for what we're looking for, or that we can get some advice on what we might be missing or perhaps a better way to plan some of our outings (I realize some of them are unfortunately a little scattered throughout the city). We will be utilizing public transportation/taxis in SF, and renting a car in Napa. Thanks again!

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                                                                                                                        THURSDAY
                                                                                                                        Land at noon, get luggage, and check in and get settled. Hopefully done by 1:30pm
                                                                                                                        Lunch – Fisherman’s Wharf
                                                                                                                        Activity – Go with the flow and explore a little.
                                                                                                                        Dinner – Gary danko 8:15

                                                                                                                        FRIDAY
                                                                                                                        Breakfast – Knead Patisserie
                                                                                                                        Activity – Walk the Mission District
                                                                                                                        Lunch –La Taqueria or Tartine followed by Humphrey Slocombe or Bi Rite Creamery
                                                                                                                        Dinner – Zuni Cafe

                                                                                                                        SATURDAY
                                                                                                                        Breakfast – Dynamo Donuts
                                                                                                                        Activity – Ferry Bldg Market Place
                                                                                                                        Lunch – Roli Roti and Scream Sorbet
                                                                                                                        Dinner –Aziza

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                                                                                                                        SUNDAY
                                                                                                                        Breakfast/brunch – Brix 11:30
                                                                                                                        2 wineries – Cakebread (1:45), then Frog’s Leap (3:00)
                                                                                                                        Lunch - Is there anywhere in the area that you can recommend???
                                                                                                                        Dinner – Ad Hoc or Redd

                                                                                                                        MONDAY
                                                                                                                        Breakfast – Hotel
                                                                                                                        Wineries - Hess, Hendry, Obrien
                                                                                                                        Lunch – Redd Wood
                                                                                                                        Dinner – Grace’s table, Boulevard, Mustards Grill,or Benu,

                                                                                                                        TUESDAY
                                                                                                                        Breakfast – Hotel
                                                                                                                        Wineries – Darioush, Chimney Rock, Domaine Carneros
                                                                                                                        Dinner – The French Laundry

                                                                                                                        Any wineries that you can recommend to add on, any restaurants that you think we have overlooked, any activities that you feel we may enjoy, and any ways to make our journey more efficient from place to place are greatly appreciated.

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                                                                                                                          TeacherFoodie RE: IDGuofM Jul 29, 2012 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                          Looks like a great itinerary - I hope you have a great time! Not sure if you are a pastry fan - but I see that you are visiting Knead patisserie in the mission so please get a/several pomme d'amour - hands down the best pastry I've ever tasted - I wish I could eat one right now, but I do not live in SF, I'm near Toronto in Canada. :(

                                                                                                                          The only thing that seems to be missing is Burmese food at Mandalay or Burma Superstar. I tried this type of Cuisine at Mandalay when we visited and we liked it so much that we had lunch near the airport on the last day at another Burmese restaurant.

                                                                                                                          Fisherman's wharf is not that exciting for a lunch choice on your first day. Maybe visit the Ferry Building this day too and grab yourselves some picnic items at Cowgirl Creamery, some meat from Boccalone and bread from Acme. When I was there we did this and then ate at the wine merchant and I had a couple of nice glasses of wine with lunch!

                                                                                                                          If you end up at Bi-Rite creamery check out their store across the street. We got some really tasty chocolate peanut butter balls there.

                                                                                                                          I love Aziza! Another place I wish I could eat at regularly. Everything there is delicious!

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                                                                                                                            Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Jul 29, 2012 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                            The wharf is a disgusting tourist trap but there are great views. For a late lunch you'd do better to wander up Columbus toward North Beach.

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                                                                                                                              grayelf RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 29, 2012 11:12 PM

                                                                                                                              As a tourist, I have to agree with Robert! It sounds like you'll be having a late-ish lunch that day so maybe consider Sotto Mare instead for a plate of petrale sole. It is well priced for what you get, kinda kitschy instead of uber kitschy like Fisherman's Wharf and on the way there. If you must get a look at this famous area, may I suggest: http://www.nps.gov/safr/planyourvisit... The Maritime Historical Park is beautifully curated and a ton of fun without the "cheese" -- and you can still get a sense of the FW area on your way in and out and decide if you want to see more.

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                                                                                                                                TeacherFoodie RE: grayelf Jul 30, 2012 05:56 AM

                                                                                                                                If you are not eating in FW you can quickly walk through, which my husband and I did, and then for lunch do one of the suggested. Sotto Mare was on my list when we were there but we didn't make it there - next time. Enjoy your visit. SF is a great city and everyone there is really helpful!

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                                                                                                                            IDGuofM RE: IDGuofM Aug 19, 2012 06:59 AM

                                                                                                                            Just got back in town yesterday and thought I'd take a minute to update on our trip. Overall, we had an AMAZING time in California and can't wait to come back soon. We wanted to update this for any of you that were curious about the recommendations you gave. I apologize in advance for any spelling/grammatical errors, if there are any. Here is how our trip went.

                                                                                                                            Day one - We checked into the Intercontinental on Howard and just wandered for a little while. We ran into 'wichcraft and gave it a shot even though it wasn't on the itinerary. We both got the blackened steak sandwich (not very creative on our part) and though it was OK. We didn't make it a point to go back. Dinner was at Gary Danko and was fantastic. I started with the sweetbreads which were the best I've ever had, anywhere. She had the crispy farm egg with polenta. It was good, but not great. It was just really rich and needed something to cut it a little. I had the pork belly and tenderloin which again was really good. The pork belly was a little tough which is something I don't normally expect from it, but the flavors were all good together. My wife had the filet and it was cooked and seasoned well and the tomato corn relish went nicely with it. Desserts were outstanding, both her chocolate souffle, and my praline parfait were awesome. They were also kind enough to send out a lemon souffle cake as a honeymoon gift. Service was exactly what we were looking for in that they were knowledgeable, kind, and helpful without being overbearing. We'll come back next time we're in town.

                                                                                                                            Day 2 - This day ended up being devoted to the Mission. We set out early to find Knead and try the Pomme D'amore that we heard so much about. Unfortunately, we were too early and they hadn't opened yet. However, they let us know about a breakfast place called Locals Corner a few blocks away that served the pastry with their menu. We really enjoyed in here, we got the pomme d'amore, the waffle with chicory syrup, and the poached egg. Everything, including the coffee was good and the atmosphere was really nice. Lunch was at La Tacqueria was good but hectic. It was packed in there but the staff was moving through the line quickly and neither of us knew what we wanted to get. We ended up getting chicken and pork tacos that were soft tacos covered in hard tacos, chips and salsa, and a tamarind soda. We didn't see what all the hype was about. Everything was pretty average. Not bad, but not worth planning into our next trip. After that we hit Bi-Rite for what was without a doubt the best ice cream we've ever had. The salted caramel was beyond just being good. We tried a few other flavors (one with snicker doodle pieces and one I don't remember) but the salted caramel was everything it was supposed to be. We enjoyed it at Dolores Park. I wish we had more areas like this in South Florida. It was so laid back and comfortable and clean and such a nice place to just sit back and enjoy the ice cream. Overall I really loved the Mission area. The murals were beautiful, the food was really good for the most part, and each section had interesting shops and character. The only time that was a little uneasy was boarding the BART at 16th and Mission. It might have just been us, but it seemed like it was not the best place for us to be.
                                                                                                                            Dinner was at Zuni. I was disapointed in the chicken here. It was good in that it wasn't dried out and was seasoned well, but it was room temp and the skin wasn't crispy at all. The bread salad was good except that the greens served with it were a little too bitter for my taste.

                                                                                                                            Day 3 - Easily our favorite day there. We started out walking to the Ferry Building. I had no idea how awesome this market was going to be! Even though we got there at about 10am, we made Roli Roti the first stop. BEST sandwich I've EVER had. I didn't know they could get skin that crispy while keeping the meat so juicy. There's nothing more I can say about that sandwich other than I tell everyone back here about it, show them pictures, and brag about how much they're missing by not eating one. We also discovered Blue Bottle Coffee. I kept wondering why the longest line (outside of Roli Roti) was for coffee and remembered reading about it on these boards. I don't know what made it so good but it was definitely one of the best cups of coffee I've ever had. (We also had Peet's both in our room in Napa and at a mall and didn't find it to be as good as BB). The rest of the market was phenomenal as well. I probably spent 1/2 hour just at the mushroom place amazed at the quality and variety that was there. The produce outside was also impressive, we both had a peach sample and thought it blew away the quality that we have down here. Next time we come out to SF we will definitely base part of our trip around returning to the Ferry Bldg on a Sat. Other than that we did the tourist thing and walked to the Wharf, ate at In-N-Out (didn't find it worth any hype), and drank some wine at a shop next to the Argonaut Hotel. Dinner was at Aziza. The food was great, the specialty cocktails were good, the server was not. We ordered the flat bread and dips and the chicken wings to start. Both were excellent and I'd get them both again. For entrees I had the lamb shank, again excellent, and my wife had the duck. The duck came out below room temp which we brought up to our server. She insinuated that we had let it sit there and get cold, but after talking to a (manager?) came back and told us that was how it was supposed to be. The woman she spoke with came by and explained that the duck was sous vide the night before and that all they did was crisp up the skin in a pan which I get, but it still shouldn't have been cold. The woman was very nice and brought it back to add a little more heat. Our server on the other hand never came back to the table until it was time for the check. Although the food and drinks were good the service was enough to turn us off from coming back next time we're in town.

                                                                                                                            Day 4 (Napa) - We left early to rent a car and drive up to Brix for brunch. We really enjoyed it here. It was our first up close view of a vineyard and the food was food quality for a buffet. We stayed at The Cottages of Napa Valley. We will NEVER stay anywhere else. Besides the staff being wonderful and the cottages being beautiful and the location being central to most places we went, you get to wake up every morning to a basket full of goodies from Bouchon. How great is that!?! That day we went to Cakebread where we did the red wine tasting with William and loved it, and a four wine flight from Frog's Leap, which we didn't really enjoy. Dinner was at Red Wood. We started with the sweetbreads, than I had the quail and my wife had the pizza. Dessert was the chocolate caramel tart with praline and sea salt. The crust was crisp, the chocolate was nice and dense and the caramel was dark and gooey. Everything, including the wine they recommended was really good. We would come back here next time.

                                                                                                                            Day 5 - Started out the morning with our treats from Bouchon, so already it was a great day. We than went out to O'Brien Winery. This was one of our favorites. The wines were delicious, the host was knowledgeable and happy to answer all of our questions, and the property was beautiful (but really, all of them are beautiful in their own way). We really loved laying out in the hammock in the middle of the vineyard and enjoying a glass. Afterwards we took the Modavi tour on the advice of William from Cakebread. Overall it was a good tour with a lot of good information, but I don't think we'd come back to Modavi. This is the night that we had planned on dining at FL but, unfortunately, our connection wasn't able to come through with reservations. Dinner was at Redd and again, was really good. The pork belly was ridiculous and something I'll be looking forward to next time we're in town.

                                                                                                                            Day 6 - We started day 6 at Chimney Rock and enjoyed sharing the Prestige Flight and the Cabernet Vertical. We also got to try a little bit of the Tomahawk. Our host had tons of great stories about the valley and the wines and chefs which made the visit that much more fun. We then had a hard time deciding which sparkling winery to visit. We were deciding between Domaine Carneros and Schramsberg, but one of the other tasters suggested Mumm so we ended up there. I don't particularly care for most sparkling wines so it was really for my wife, who seemed to enjoy it. Lunch was at V Sattui and it was PACKED there. I don't really want to go back there again. Our last tasting of the trip was at Darioush. We enjoyed the Fine Wines and Artisan Cheeses tasting and tour more than any others on the trip (although O'Brien was a close second). Our host was great, the other couple that we met were a lot of fun, and of course the wine and cheeses were fantastic. We even got to try the late harvest Shahpar (which was so good that we took some home) and a few other vintages since our other couple were apparently big spenders in the wine world. After a nice nap I drove over to Bouchon Bakery and bought just about everything that looked good and they did not disappoint. The macaroons, peanut butter cups, cookies, and pastries were amazing. We'll make a point to go there pretty much everyday next time for a treat. Dinner was at Bouchon and it was good, but not great. We didn't go in with crazy FL expectations, just really good bistro food. My steak was great and PERFECTLY cooked. My wife's roast chicken was OK, the skin wasn't crispy and the meat wasn't as moist as we expected. We also had the chicken liver app which was huge for 2 people. Our server commented when he cleared the table that it's usually a good size for 4-6 people which would have been nice to know before hand so that we have tried something more reasonable. Either way it was a good meal, but I don't know that we'd go back.

                                                                                                                            In the end it was the best trip that we've had in the almost 10 years that we've been together. The people in both places were kind, patient, and friendly and it's easy to see why so many people flock there every year. We are planning our next trip already (sometime between Jan. and March) so I'm sure we'll be on here again soon looking for even more suggestions and recs. Thank you to all of you that helped plan this trip, it was a definite success!

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                                                                                                                              Robert Lauriston RE: IDGuofM Aug 19, 2012 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                              Peet's has gone way downhill since it was a small local chain.

                                                                                                                              I don't know why people recommend La Taqueria, it's lame compared with mearby competitors such as San Jose.

                                                                                                                              In-N-Out is fine for a highway pit stop in the middle of nowhere but a sad waste of a meal given what's available in SF.

                                                                                                                              If you'd mentioned V. Sattui here you'd have been warned off.

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                                                                                                                                goldangl95 RE: IDGuofM Aug 19, 2012 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                Thank you so much for reporting back!!! It makes making recs in the future easier. Sounds like you had a great time.

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                                                                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: IDGuofM Aug 22, 2012 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                  wonderful report ID! glad you mostly enjoyed - best trip in 10 years is pretty great!

                                                                                                                                  as for La Taqueria - they are mostly known for their carne asada, which is really tasty. Never had any other meat there.

                                                                                                                                  Hope you guys come back soon!

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