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Where can I find real dolmas in the East Bay

Hi fellow chowhounds.

I have been looking for real dolmas lately in the East Bay and can't find any. Even at great places like The Pasta Shop and Troy Greek Cusine they don't make their own. Where does one find real dolmas made on site? Thanks!

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  1. Turkish Kitchen and Zatar, I think. Maybe Holy Land.

    1. Try Billy's Deli on Broadway across from Sears in downtown Oakland.

      1. I enjoyed the one I tried at Zaki Kabob House last week. The falafel patties were great, too.

        Does Zand make their own?

        1. Typically the plural of 'dolma' is 'dolmades'.

          (Sorry I haven't any response substantive to your search.)

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          1. re: eethan

            Oasis market on Telegraph in Oakland makes their own.

          2. Ikaros on Grand Ave in Oakland makes their own.

            I liked that they are served warm, but I found the filling a bit bland. This was about a year ago shortly after they opened so they could be improved now.

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            1. re: drewskiSF

              When I was a tyke back east, my family used to frequent an "arabic" (their own description, I think it was Lebanese) restaurant in Lowell, Mass. called Bishop's. We thought the idea of stuffed grape leaves was very exotic,but they were better than anything I've had since. They were larger than most, freshly made and served warm. Best of all, they had meat in them. Little bits of chopped lamb accompanied some sort of very large grain,probably converted ,rice. They came on a platter of assorted vegetables stuffed with a similar filling. Anybody seen anything similar in the golden west?

              1. re: little big al

                Troya on Clement St in SF has lamb dolmas that I like. They don't have the other stuffed veggies on the plate that you remember.

                A *elp search shows Jannah on Fulton also has lamb dolmas with other veggies stuffed with the same mix like what you describe. I can't vouch for these, though.
                poorly lit photo

            2. I love the dolmas made at Oasis on Telegraph in Oakland.

              1. I believe The Mediterranean in Concord makes their own; they certainly are good. The same owner also has Babalou's in Walnut Creek.

                1. By the way, what are "real" dolmas? Why should "real" imply "made on site"? I checked with Billy today, and was told that he buys his vegetarian dolmas because making them is too time-consuming, but that he sometimes makes his own with meat. He makes everything else

                  1. Thanks everyone for giving me suggestions on where to find real dolmas! I am going to try some of those places. GH1618, I prefer made on site because I can then ask how much salt they use, etc. Also, my experience is that the quality is usually better when something is made on site than when it's from someplace else.

                    1. "Dolma" is a Farsi word that just means a stuffed vegetable. Wouldn't that be a "real dolma".??