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Mar 8, 2012 01:29 PM

Carneros Wineries and Restaurant Suggestions?

My boyfriend and I are visiting Carneros at the end of April for the weekend (3 full days) and would greatly appreciate some food and wine suggestions! We love unique, off-the-beaten-path places. Love places like Quivera and Fieldstone wineries to name a couple favorites.

Please no heavily traveled, tourist attractions a la Coppola. We are very laid back, go with the flow, deep appreciation for all fine wine and gourmet, well done food. We are not snooty or fussy nor will we come bearing cameras, fanny packs or sneakers, I promise.

Here is what I have been recommended thus far. Feel free to yay or nay any:

Wineries: Bouchaine, Domaine Carneros, Schug, Gundlach Bundschu, Gloria Ferrer, Anaba, Cuvaison, Artesa, Batholomew Park, Nicholson Ranch, Acacia, Sojourn Cellars, Scribe, Buena Vista, Truchard

Restaurants: Boon Fly Cafe, Farm at the Carneros Inn, The Girl and the Fig, Angelo's Wine Country Deli

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  1. On Food:

    Don't Miss El Molino Central if you like Mexican!

    On Wineries:

    Here's a recent thread on this:

    If you want to avoid the well tread, touristy wineries I would cut:
    Gundlach Bundshu
    Gloria Ferrer

    I really liked Sojourn Cellars. It's by appointment, and it's a wine tasting room in town - as opposed to on a vineyard. As a warning, they release their wines young (there's still tons of oak, tannins etc), and so their wines are not released ready to drink.

    In Sonoma (the city), I would consider adding:
    Adobe Road
    Roessler - depending...when we went last, they were out of a lot of their wines

    If you are crossing over to the Napa side of Carneros, (e.g. Domaine Carneros) consider:
    Adastra (appt. only)

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    1. re: goldangl95

      Thanks! I do love Mexican, so I will add El Molino Central to my restaurant list.

      I did see that thread, but wanted to concentrate on Carneros exclusively.

      I was on the fence about Gundlach, Shug and Gloria Ferrer, and as you confirmed, I have cut them and replaced with Etude and Adastra - they look amazing and right up our alley.

      Glad to hear your thoughts on Sojourn, I've heard great things as well, definitely a keeper.

      If time allows, I would love to check out the tasting rooms you suggested in Sonoma.

      1. re: goldangl95

        I don't find Schug to be touristy is a bad way at all. I like their Carneros Chardonnay much more than most versions of Chardonnay (I drink mostly reds). I'd skip their reds; they seem to be an afterthought at this white-wine-centric winery.

        1. re: Malcolm Ruthven

          I agree. Schug is uneven. I've lumped them in with Gloria Ferrer and Bezinger on a few threads now, but they are much smaller than the other two.

          They are uneven though, by most standards, so it makes it hard to recommend to the once in awhile visitor. I do appreciate that they appreciate their white varietals. I would love and encourage more wineries to do so, if I had any such influence!

          1. re: goldangl95

            Schug isn't uneven if you stick to their whites :-) I've aslo found their small tasting room to fun, usually with interesting people there.

            Benziger? Don't get me started about how much I've always disliked their wines, so much so that I now refuse to taste them at all. I've also never liked the sparkling wine at Gloria Ferrer. It's a gracious place with a nice view, and sometimes I'll take visitors there because of that, but that's all I can say good about it.

          2. re: Malcolm Ruthven

            I haven't tasted it lately, but Schug's Pinot Noir used to be one of the most interesting in Carneros. I don't remember ever being impressed by any of their other wines.

            1. re: Robert Lauriston

              It used to be rather Burgundian, fine indeed. Don't know if the current releases are like that, though.

              1. re: maria lorraine

                Or Spatburgundian. The founding winemaker Walter Schug is from Assmannshausen and got his start there. I believe Schug still sells a significant percentage of its wines in Europe, particularly Germany.

                1. re: Robert Lauriston

                  Yes, Pinot Noir is his passion. But when he can get quality fruit, Cabernet Sauvignon is his forte'. Not surprising, as he is the winemaker who set Joseph Phelps on the path to greatness with that grape variety. However, he has not been hands on for many years.

        2. My wife and I really liked our experience at Roche - they have a tasting room just off the square in Sonoma (northwest of the square). They usually offer barrel samples, to get you excited about their reserve program - and with us, it worked ! It's always more fun to drink wines from the barrel. Nice discounts on some nice wines.

          The Girl and The Fig is just down the street, and that's highly recommended as well. We also had a great time at La Salette, which is also just off the square, on the east side.

          We also visited Schug which is southwest of Sonoma, in Carneros proper (I guess on probably it's westernmost side) and it's also worthwhile - fun and interesting people (a common trait in this area, I think) and wines.

          If you want a break from food and wine, and enjoy contemporary art or just like something quite unique, you owe it to yourself to check out the DiRosa art collection and tour - it's smack dab in the middle of the Carneros region, halfway between Napa and Sonoma.

          Have fun !

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          1. re: mikester

            I highly recommend Cline and their sister winery across the way, Jacuzzi. Go for the Cline Mourvedre and Jacuzzi Primativo. I can't disagree more with Mikester...we went to Roche in Dec. 2010 and the wine varied from mediocre to just plain bad, but was made hilarious by the tasting room carnival barker who rudely gathered everyone around for barrel tastings and tried to boast about this nasty juice being the best Pinot noir they've ever made and we should all buy futures. Big waste of time! Now me and my wine traveling party have a saying: "Roche is Roach!" and when we've gone on further wine trips the worst wineries contend for our nomination of the "Roach winery"! ....we also went to Buena Vista--historic winery, nice scenery, decent wines, ALL way overpriced for the value.

            If you have the time, concentrate your trip on getting further up north and spend more time in the Russian River Valley and environs. Dutton Estate and Thumbprint Cellars for sure!!


          2. Truchard is outstanding all the way all around -- superb Pinot Noir, Syrah, Chardonnay.
            Second Adastra, especially for the small-lot Pinot Noirs. Lovely old barn setting.
            Bubbles: La Reve at Domaine Carneros. Do not miss the Di Rosa Preserve across the street,
            Artesa: interesting architecturally, wines are fairly good.
            MacCrostie makes a buttery Chard -- not my style, ordinarily, but this one is excellent.
            Bouchaine is coming out a long sleep, and my guess is that they are producing good wines again,
            but I haven't tasted firsthand.

            I personally highly dislike the wines of Roche, Cline, Jacuzzi, and Nicholson Ranch. I think you come to Chowhound to avoid places with wines like that. Sorry to disagree with other posters who care for the wines of these wineries -- I do not. I find the wines have off-flavors, and are otherwise poorly made. The low-quality of these wines becomes all the more apparent when you taste the really beautiful wines that are available from other wineries in the same area.

            Boon Fly -- see my other posts on this place. I always prefer the bar, except for Sunday brunch.
            Yes, also to Farm.

            Carneros straddles both Napa and Sonoma counties, and is very near the southern end of the main stretch of Napa Valley. It's a bit silly to limit yourself to Carneros only, unless you really want to laze about close to your lodging -- and I'm all for that sometimes. Be sure to drive the back roads of the Carneros to see the breathtakingly pretty vineyards there. Not that they're more beautiful than those of Napa or northern Sonoma County -- they just have a charm all their own.

            In the city of Sonoma, read the recommendations of other wineries on this SF board in the city of Sonoma (differentiating the city of Sonoma from the huge county also called Sonoma). You could venture forth to Glen Ellen slightly north of Sonoma and say, Yountville, on the Napa side, and still stay pretty close to the Carneros. Once you hit Napa/Yountville and Sonoma/Glen Ellen, many other wineries and possibilities open up, but for that, I'd ask you to read the many threads and posts that have already been written.

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            1. re: maria lorraine

              Will Second skipping Roche, Cline, and Jacuzzi. I'm not familiar with Nicholson Ranch.

              1. re: goldangl95

                We are wine club members at Acacia and √Čtude. Highly recommend both.

                1. re: scullymika

                  I have made tasting appointments at both. Can't wait!

            2. Some of those you list are very touristy and big.
              √Čtude is one of my favorites, especially if you like pinots.
              Michael mondavi is a small and nice winery- great patio out back to sit drink and over look the vineyards.
              -harvest moon cafe- great courtyard out back- must sit outside
              - cafe la Haye
              -el dorado kitchen

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              1. re: Hckarawan

                Which ones would you consider "touristy and big"? With so many great small production wineries to chose from, I'd like to cut those heavily traveled ones out. I have since cut Shug, Gunbun, Gloria Ferrer, Anaba and Nicholson Ranch in favor of Etude and Adastra.

                  1. re: maria lorraine

                    Thanks Maria Lorraine for all of your great reccommendations and insight! I've also made a visit to MacRostie a must on our trip as well as a tour of the Di Rosa Preserve. We have chosen to explore Carneros exclusively this trip as we prefer to spend a good deal of time in each unique region.

                    1. re: Acire

                      Di Rosa is a GREAT place and so different than all the wineries that most people center in on.

                      I'm not that big on Schug, finding their Pinots to have deteriorated in the past few years in quality.

                      For bubbly, I will take Domaine Carneros (owned by Taittinger) over Gloria Ferrer's product.

                      I also bring people to Artesa, just for the ambience, architecture, and art - not so much for the wine...

                      Also a big fan of Bartholomew Park for their hiking trails and history.

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