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Santouka is coming

  • aser Feb 28, 2012 11:59 PM

Dare I say it, the first real ramen in Toronto.

Rumours were swirling, but it's finally been leaked to the press. The ramen gods have finally heard our prayers, bringing us Santouka! Looking forward to burning my tongue w/ the thick layer of oil on top.

http://www.rameniac.com/reviews/comme...

I finally have the ramen component of my weekly soup noodle rotation. This will be my most anticipated opening of 2012.

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  1. So exciting! Had Santouka when I went Vancouver a couple of months ago. Can't wait!

    1. AMAZING! I assume it will be north of the city though, I'm hoping for a downtown location

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      1. re: Bobby Wham

        According to the Toronto Life article, they are looking for spaces downtown. Which is amazing!

        http://www.torontolife.com/daily/dail...

      2. Where is this going to be located? Any idea when? I don't see any of that on the link.

        1. YEEESSSSSSSSS! Prefer Ippudo but this will do just nicely

          1. I don't know much about ramen, but have really enjoyed my visits to Kenzo. I assume this is much better...can someone explain the differences to me?

            1. Went to Santouka in LA a couple of years back and was very pleased. Looking forward to this.

              1. Super exciting. Had Santouka in Hong Kong and the toroniku is heavenly.

                1. : )

                  1. What is happening with this opening? Anyone have an update?

                    1. Santouka is open at 91 Dundas West, south side just east of University. Just ate lunch there today; had the tonkotsu ramen and a side of deep-fried chicken pieces.

                      Santouka takes the cake over Kinton and Kenzo. Big time. Their broth is ridiculously good, the eggs are perfectly cooked and the gigantic wheels of fatty pancetta-shaped belly are fatty pieces of heaven.

                      Man am I glad I work a 2 minute walk from this small resto. I'll be coming back often.

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                      1. re: biggreenmatt

                        Nice! Close to work for me so I'll have to check it out soon.

                        1. re: biggreenmatt

                          Whoa...that's a convenient location. Thanks for highlighting it.

                          1. re: biggreenmatt

                            woo woo! Gonna have to go too XD

                            1. re: biggreenmatt

                              Oh hell yes. That area has become Ramen Central now! Kenzo, Santouka, Sansotei and not that far off Kinton.

                              1. re: biggreenmatt

                                Oh wait, is this Santouka, or is it Sansotei? Santouka should be by Bay St... Sansotei (178 Dundas) is over by University... there's been a lot of confusion.

                                Sansotei > http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/866924

                                1. re: jlunar

                                  Where is 91 Dundas West?

                                  1. re: Serbaljub

                                    91 Dundas West is by Bay Street between bay and yonge. If thats where Santouka is supposed to be then we are in business, but now that I think about it Sansotei is "just east of university" on the south side, Santouka (if its 91 Dundas) would be on the north side right?

                                    Perhaps Matt did get them confused....I was getting excited!

                                    1. re: themiguel

                                      91 would be on the south side but it would be the parking lot next to Bay pretty much. University and deep fried chicken = Sansotei, unfortunately.

                                2. re: biggreenmatt

                                  Shit. Yeah, I mixed up Sansotei and Sankouka, and it's 179 Dundas West, not 91 Dundas.

                                  Whatever the name, it's terrifically good ramen.

                                  1. re: biggreenmatt

                                    good ramen is always good!!! Just wanted to make sure XD Had someone else exclaim that Santouka had opened and then we discovered it wasn't...

                                    1. re: jlunar

                                      Yup... i was walking up and down Dundas like 5 times last night wondering where 91 Dundas west was... and then finally settled on Sansotei. However, my thoughts of them are not as great ... :-/

                                      1. re: jennjen18

                                        Im with you Jenn, I have eaten there three times now - the noodles are very inconsistent, you can get them properly al dente, or quite starchy/doughy and undercooked. The Miso ramen is not as creamy and balanced as Kintons offering either, but the Tonkotsu is pretty good.

                                        There are yelp reviews stating that this place is better than Ippudo in New York, which just makes me shake my head.

                                3. I tried eating there yesterday night, to my surpise there was no line up! Of course, cos the soup was already SOLD OUT at 7:30pm. Guess I will have to make another trip over there again...(cross my fingers)

                                  1. Seriously, where is 91 Dundas St W??? My hubby and walked by looking for this address and could not find it. 91 Dundas W would put it on the South side of Dundas just east of Bay St and there is a bigass Canadian Tire there and nothing else. Anyone have other landmark suggestions to find this place? I've been to Sansotei and I could see how some people can be confused into walking in there thinking they were entering Santouka.

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                                    1. re: insearchofflavor

                                      I'll be walking by to peek in tomorrow, but Santouka isn't yet open, as far as I know.

                                    2. It hasn't opened yet. From what I know it's going to be where the new condo will be, which is the construction site that you saw.

                                      1. I just posted this in another thread. Santouka is opening at 91 Dundas Street EAST, which is on the south side between Yonge St and Church St.

                                        I drove by today and the windows are still covered, but signs are up to say its Santouka.

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                                        1. re: CarNut

                                          EAST!? We've been looking in the wrong spot all along...!

                                          1. re: jlunar

                                            LOL... Any ideas on when they will be open?

                                        2. Interesting comment about "layer of oil". With all the ramen places I tried in Toronto, I found that afterwards the back of my throat seemed coated in oil, usually I had to chase it down with something with fat in it, like tea with cream. Konnichiwa was the worst, Sansotei the least (have not tried Kinton yet). Is that what it supposed to feel like, or is it just me?

                                          Trivia:
                                          Sansotei means Three-Grass Pavilion
                                          Santouka means Mountain Wildfire
                                          Kinton means Golden Hog

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                                          1. re: Teep

                                            I dont know if its supposed to be like that but I have eaten a lot of ramen and I dont' really have this feeling, or maybe I'm just not bothered by it and don't notice it.

                                            1. re: szw

                                              I think that throat-coating oiliness comes from the collagen that breaks down during the many hours of cooking meaty bones that also contain fat. Liquified collagen provides major mouth feel and a richness that is deeper than oil/fat on its own. It is also a major contributor to the milky, unctuous broth that is typical of tonkotsu ramen. For some, it is too rich and fatty tasting. I suggest an orange or lemon soda to cut the grease factor. That, or even tea, has the astringency to balance the richness of well-made ramen broth (and dim-sum overindulgence!).

                                              1. re: 1sweetpea

                                                Anyone know if its open at 91 dundas east? A couple people have reported it opens "this weekend"...i want to know if I can go today (friday)!

                                                can't find a phone number anywhere. Anyone work in the area?

                                                1. re: szw

                                                  I heard it's Saturday.

                                                  1. re: aser

                                                    Soft opening today with limited menu. They were offering 4 types of ramen.

                                                    1. re: magpiebakes

                                                      I think the sign said that their official hours will be 11-11 but that it may vary during the soft opening. I went for lunch and liked it a lot (I'm not a big fan of the other ramen places in town because they all tasted a bit odd to me, but Santouka tastes more like what I was eating in Japan). I'm looking forward to their full opening! The space is nice too.

                                                      1. re: ggom1

                                                        did it mention if it was open on sunday?

                                                2. re: 1sweetpea

                                                  unless we're describing it differently, sansotei's tonkotsu is a fair amount of fat and a tonne of collagen. its thickness and unctuousness is unparalleled in TO. nearly to the point where i find it too much.

                                                  it could be the type of fat... there's the oils and then the blending of the solids.

                                            2. Oh I wish I knew they were open yesterday! I went today and it was good. Similar to Sansotei, I wouldn't lose sleep over deciding between the two.

                                              Santouka didn't come with an egg. I wish the noodles were the thicker yellow chewier version.

                                              THey didn't have it today, but the menu has tsukemen ramen which is my favourite thing in the world.

                                              Staff were friendly but really inexperienced. Even for the first day, someone with more training should have been there. For example when I got there, there were many empty tables but there was a long lineup in the hallway. People who came in the doors just stood in the hallway. I went up to the front, took a while to get the attention of a worker, but finally when I did, found out there was no lineup. They sat me right away. I think the party at the front of the line was waiting for a larger table, and everyone behind just assumed they were waiting in line. After I watched and they let the lineup stay there with empty tables all around....the restaurant worker in me was frustrated but the customer in me was celebrating a victory.

                                              Anyways, its just an example of inexperience on their first day, I don't blame them and will go back. They were friendly.

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                                              1. re: szw

                                                was the tokusen toroniku ramen available?

                                                1. re: Pigurd

                                                  Not today

                                                  1. re: Pigurd

                                                    just tried it today, pretty good, about similar to what i can remember having in vancouver... they said the toroniku ramen might possibly be available in the middle of next week

                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                2. Went today around noon and it was fairly busy. Got seated right away and they were very good about taking orders quickly.

                                                  I got the shio ramen (medium fat, firm noodles), my dining companion the shoyu chashumen. We both liked our respective bowls and will definitely return, especially when they have the tsukemen and tokusen toroniku ramen available.

                                                  Having eaten at Sansotei, Kinton, and Kenzo, Santouka has the best chashu out of all of them (moist, tender, and flavourful) and the richest broth (which may or may not be your thing -- I still have that slick feeling in my throat three hours later). I liked the noodles, which I would rate as on par with/slightly below Kinton's, and enjoyed the broth, which had a sweetness underlying the porky savouriness.

                                                  However, the soup was not as hot as I remember my other bowls of Santouka ramen. It may have been that I ordered medium lard, so there wasn't as much fat on top to seal in the heat, but one thicker slice of chashu was also a little cool in the center.

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                                                  1. re: lsk

                                                    Just came back to the office from crushing a bowl of miso ramen, needed to recover after a boozy birthday dinner at Chantecler yesterday.

                                                    Best in the city right now - the broth is really balanced and the noodles are lightyears ahead of Sansotei. Chashu is divine, but unfortunately no extra toppings are available yet (so no egg). The bowls are around $12 each sometimes more, so its one of the more expensive offerings in the city. The actual portion seems small compared to Kinton, but thats not a big deal for me as I actually think the Kinton portion is too large.

                                                    Place was pretty much empty when I went a quarter after 11. If I know this city, thats not going to last long.

                                                  2. Ya, it's the best in the city right now, I actually prefer Santouka over the wildy popular Ippudo in NYC which is too rich and salty for my taste, the salt balance is just right. I am looking forward to the full menu next week.

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                                                    1. re: Bobby Wham

                                                      me too, ippudo is just ok to me. I actually really dig their pork buns more than anything else.

                                                      Santouka is the benchmark for me in N. America. Then again I haven't been to LA in a while, lots of new ramen development there.

                                                      Hitting this up tomorrow, should be sweet.

                                                      1. re: aser

                                                        Had the toroniku. It's the real deal, that's all I have to say.

                                                        Sansotei comes closest, but the rest of the competition is blown out the box by Santouka. No contest.

                                                    2. The toroniku ramen was available today when I went. Although I have not tried Kinton or Momofuku yet, but I have tried the ramen at Sansotei, Kenzo, Both Guu locations, Ajisen, J-town. I have to say this is the real deal!! All the other places I've tried were either too salty or too oily, lacking depth in the broth etc.

                                                      I'll visit there regularly!

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                                                      1. re: tyatt

                                                        Had the Toroniku Shio Ramen yesterday and have to say the noodles had the right amount of chewiness for me, not overdone or underdone and the broth was flavourful & was the perfect amount of saltiness. Santouka is my favourite now in TO (have eaten ramen @ Kinton, Momofuku, Niwatei & Kenzo).

                                                        1. re: tyatt

                                                          How much was the toroniku? Considerably more than the regular bowls of ramen...?

                                                          1. re: jennjen18

                                                            It's 15.xx I think. Regular ramen is like 10 or 11.xx

                                                        2. Guess the word is out; passed by at 8pm Thurs and saw 10 people waiting outside and another 10 standing inside.

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                                                          1. re: Teep

                                                            I was there at 5:45 and there was already a line up!! They have the eggs now!

                                                            1. re: jlunar

                                                              Anyone try Raijin Ramen yet?

                                                              1. re: szw

                                                                Oh man, Raijin is open now too!?

                                                                1. re: PhilH

                                                                  I went to Raijin and I still like Santouka the best. Overall, this is what I've found for the ramen places:

                                                                  Kinton - liked the noodles but not keen on the broth
                                                                  Sansotei - liked the broth but not keen on the noodles
                                                                  Raijin - liked the broth and noodles but not keen on the toppings
                                                                  Santouka - liked broth, noodles and toppings!

                                                                  Raijin has by far the biggest space, it seems like it's 2x as big as all the other ramen places? I kind of liked that. I've only been to each of these places once though. If you don't want to wait in line at Santouka, it's pretty awesome that Raijin isn't too far away.

                                                                  1. re: ggom1

                                                                    Went to Raijin tonight. Had the tonkotsu shio.

                                                                    It wasn't very good I thought. Noodles not enough chew, broth not porky enough, pork shoulder was kind of bland + not that great texture (no belly!?). I liked how large the portions seem, they give you more meat than most places and the black oil is nice but I'd rather go to Sansotei nearby at the same price.

                                                                    I think my current ranking of ramen places downtown is Santouka, Sansotei, Kinton, Raijin, Kenzo in that order. Can't wait to try the tokusen toroniku when they finally have the full menu at Santouka.

                                                                    1. re: PhilH

                                                                      Toroniku was already available last week......

                                                                      Raijin just felt the same as its Vancouver Location....the broth does not has much depth in it, in fact too porky for me. It is more value though with egg. The chasiu is softer IMO than Santouka's regular chasiu. But of course nothing can beat the Toroniku.

                                                                      Between Sansotei and Raijin, I might still pick Sansotei if they improve on their noodle. The Raijin noodles have too much 'alkaline' taste in it that I don't prefer. But they are really no competition to Santouka.

                                                                      1. re: tyatt

                                                                        Ahhh, I was under the impression that they would have another broth outside of the shio/shoyu/miso/spicy for that but I see I'm wrong there.

                                                                        I pretty much agree except rather disliked the chashu I had at Raijin. Just on chashu alone I think Santouka > Sansotei (close second) > Kinton > Raijin.

                                                                        Noodles would be something like Santouka > Kinton > Sansotei (did they improve their noodles yet?) > Raijin.

                                                                        (It's nice to have these things to complain about when there was nothing but Kenzo around this area just months ago...)

                                                          2. I went yesterday around 4PM. No waiting. Liked the place and the friendly servers.
                                                            My lunch partner and I both ordered Kara-miso ramen.
                                                            It was tasty but it was overly salty. I still taste salt in my mouth.
                                                            I had ramen in Japan numerous times and I do not remember their ramen being so salty.

                                                            Since it's in my area (5 minute walk), I would go back and try their other selections. But for now, no more Kara-miso ramen for me unless they go easy on the salt/miso/sodium.

                                                            1. Went there today at about 10:55 am....I might have been 6-7 in the queue...they did not open at exactly 11am...and then at about 11:10 they started letting customers in one at a time,so by the time I was let in in it was around 11:20...Just putting this up so that people know what to expect...

                                                              I sat in front of the kitchen and oh my is it hot....in summer it would almost be sucidal to sit there...

                                                              Anyways to the important part I ordered the Toroniku with Miso and a Cold Green tea....it took about 10 minutes for my order....the toppings were served separately and not on top of the Ramen....so I had my first sip of the broth..Wow...just loved the oily goodness and the salty goodness....The ramen was nice and then I had a slice of the Chashu....double wow....nice fat on it,it melts in your mouth,as many would agree,the best Chashu in town...It seemed like a small bowl and I felt I might need another bowl...but the broth is so rich that I really felt satisfied at the end of the meal....Final bill came to $20 and change.. a bit pricey I would say but worth it....I'm spoilt now.....hoping to come back and try the other flavours soon... I think we are getting spoilt for Ramen choices but make sure to visit Santouka...its worth it...

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                                                              1. re: warlock

                                                                Yeah, I went by at ~11:45 and the lineup was super long. So, had to take a pass. Really eager to give this place a go.

                                                                1. re: grandgourmand

                                                                  Was there at 1pm or so today as well. Passed on the line like you GG. The charsiu is really good though!! Best in town - agreed, warlock.

                                                              2. Went today and had the Toroniku. Broth was nice and creamy with a hint of sweetness. The entire dish though was overly salty ... and I have high salt tolerance. My companion who has even higher salt tolerance said the same thing. I expected the pork jowl to be more tender, but it was alright. Noodles had good flavor but the texture was a bit off for me. It wasn't overcooked but it lacked bounce. As other posters have said, the bowl looks small, but don't be deceived because it is deep enough and the richness and saltiness of the broth will quickly tire the palette. It's best to order it with pickled veg like kimchi. Halfway I felt a bit dizzy which has never happened to me eating tonkotsu ramen. The place is relatively small so be prepared to wait in line. From a value standpoint, it's quite expensive, but definitely worth trying.

                                                                1. Does Santouka have gyoza? I'm trying to decide where to go tonight between Raijin and Santouka and am having a hard time deciding...

                                                                  Will there be much of a lineup at Santouka on a Wednesday night a few weeks after opening?

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                                                                  1. re: bernardtkchan

                                                                    don't think santouka does gyoza, not sure if their full menu is up yet but they'll have a lot of don (rice bowl) dishes.

                                                                    raijin def has gyozas, the ratio of skin vs filling was off, not enough of the latter. Not bad tasting though.

                                                                    for all the shortcomings of kenzo, they do make a solid gyoza.

                                                                    1. re: aser

                                                                      Thanks for the info!

                                                                      I ended up at Santouka anyway (the lineup wasn't long and figured I could go to Raijin on a weekend without much hassle whereas the same cannot be said at Santouka).

                                                                      Had the miso toroniku with an egg and was pleased (that said, it was a cold night and I hadn't had ramen for a while so it may not have been too hard to do that). My other half had the shio toroniku but I didn't try any. Our food came in around 10 minutes and the portion didn't look too big. I've had bigger bowls of ramen elsewhere in HK and Japan but I knew that a rich broth and the egg would probably leave me mostly full anyway.

                                                                      - The meat was juicy and tender, pretty much as advertised. My only gripe was more personal in that the meat wasn't warm enough and even dumping it in the broth did not warm it up to a satisfactory temperature for me either.
                                                                      - The other toppings were nice, but didn't really help me form an opinion on the ramen overall. I was also hoping that they would have some fresh garlic at each table for customers to put on their ramen but that was not to be
                                                                      - The egg was slightly undercooked and, again, not warm enough. The yolk was still too fluid and basically spilled out into my mouth. If you cut it in half with a knife, chances are the yolk would have just spilled out into the broth. Again though, this comes down to personal preference.
                                                                      - The noodles were good. They weren't too hard or chewy and were cooked just right. Personally though, I prefer the thicker noodles found elsewhere.
                                                                      - The broth was tasty. Salty, but tasty. It was rich and left me predictably full. Taste wise, it wasn't anything spectacular, but it complemented everything else well.

                                                                      Overall, I would say that I enjoyed my ramen. Nothing stood out too much for me, but everything came together fairly well and did not disappoint. Price-wise, the ramen was not cheap at all. At $16 a bowl for the toroniku before tax/tip, this was certainly an expensive bowl of ramen. I am glad I have tried it, but next time I head there, I think I will be getting the chashu or pork shoulder ramen instead as I just can't justify a $20 bowl of ramen everytime

                                                                      1. re: aser

                                                                        Santouka has gyoza. Nothing special.

                                                                    2. Much have been said about how great the pork bone broth, al dante ramen noodle, melt in the mouth Toroniku pork cheek, perfect yolk yummy eggs...etc of Santouka. So I won't dwell on them further.
                                                                      However, one thing I would like to point out and that is 'what great value for money that bowl of Ikura Don is'!! Especially when ordered as a combo with the ramen!!
                                                                      Compare to Sansotei, the amount of the salmon roe given must be at least 5 times more!!!!

                                                                       
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                                                                      1. re: Charles Yu

                                                                        Yes. It's good value at $16.99.

                                                                        I had the combo for lunch and was not hungry at dinner time.

                                                                         
                                                                      2. Am I missing something here? Are we all talking about the same place?! Since when is $17 for a bowl of Ramen "good value"? The soup was mediocore at best. Pork was stingy. It was completely over salted and the noodles where packaged. It was a small bowl of soup compared to Kinton, and no where near as good in terms of depth of flavour. I left wondering what all the fuss is about. I would NEVER go back. I would rather add pork bones to packaged miso soup and buy noodles from Chinatown. It would be better than Santouka's.

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                                                                        1. re: food face

                                                                          Yeah, you are.

                                                                          1. re: food face

                                                                            YES?! Somehow, I think you are missing something?! 76 replies and I believe you are the only one casting a negative vote?!!
                                                                            And, BTW, 'Good Value' referred to the Ramen AND Ikura Don COMBO!!!!!!

                                                                          2. Went today (a Sunday). Wasn't sure about the current popularity so I got there about 10 minutes before 11am opening; I needn't have, as there were still a number of empty tables when I left at maybe 11:30 (fast lunch).

                                                                            That being said, the coles notes is that I loved my meal. From the start, though, I have to admit that I was originally confused as to what to order. From looking at their online menu I thought they only had four types of ramen (shio, miso, shoyu, and tokusen toroniku) and I'd heard that the fourth type was the one to try so I had planned to get that. When I perused their menu in-restaurant, though, I found that they have a section with four main types (shio, miso, shoyu, and kara miso (miso + hot spices)), and another section with the same four types as toroniku ramen variants (ie the same four but plus the pork cheek instead of regular pork). I was somewhat worried that my carefully-laid ordering plans were ruined (and I assume that more ramen-knowledgeable people than I would not have made such a mistake), but I went with the toroniku shio and hoped for the best. And I was very pleased.

                                                                            The broth was rich, thick, and very flavourful. The noodles were just the right level of chew. Even the pickled plum (I think it was) was great. But the real winner was the pork, which was absolutely fantastic. I could have eaten a whole meal of just that. I've never had better (and I had a whole lot of ramen in Japan over three weeks there a few years ago; although new memories are always sharper than old I suppose).

                                                                            If I had any problem at all it might have been the fact that the broth, while rich, thick, and flavourful, seemed to be lacking...something. Maybe a bit too much in the heavy rich flavours and not enough else to balance it. Hard to describe. I really liked it, but I felt that I couldn't finish my own bowl of broth, much less want more (at the time, although I do remember the broth with great fondness now).

                                                                            Anyway, overall I loved my meal there and I would definitely return again later to try the various other ramen options. The ramen was a bit pricy at $16 or so, but I am more than willing to pay for delicious food. If this thing was closer to my workplace at king and bay I'd be there multiple days a week (I don't want to hear how close it is to king and bay...I'm lazy).

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                                                                            1. re: Strongbad789

                                                                              I popped in here to see what the TO Hounds were saying about Santouka, my top ramen in Vancouver with my favourite porky good meat, toroniku. I find it expensive enough here http://www.urbanspoon.com/u/menu/1510... at approx. $13 a bowl but still worth it for the pork jowl. $16 a bowl is really pushing it...

                                                                            2. Amy Pataki hasn't been so far off the mark in a long time... Geez, she hated this place:
                                                                              http://www.thestar.com/life/restauran...

                                                                              What is her favourite ramen place? I will be sure to avoid it...

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                                                                              1. re: ylsf

                                                                                Interesting. I wonder if she simply doesn't have a lot of reference points for ramen? It seems to me that the "unpleasant mouth coating quality" of the pork bone broth is exactly the unctuous quality that one looks for in a tonkostu broth, no?

                                                                                But mushy noodles are definitely not a good thing...

                                                                                1. re: TorontoJo

                                                                                  Right, it sounds like she is missing the point of the tonkotsu broth and should not be ordering it, if she finds the "mouth coating quality" unpleasant and the heaviness of it an issue.

                                                                                  I recently had another meal at the Toronto location and can vouch that the noodles were not mushy at all, the broth pleasantly rich. The only change I would consider for next time is asking for harder noodles and less salty broth, so that I could drink up all of the delicious broth. Not complaining, just my personal preference.

                                                                                  This is pretty much the best I can ask of ramen in our fair city, and I seriously hope that the likes of Ms Pataki will not contribute to the "dumbing down" of ramen in Toronto!

                                                                                2. re: ylsf

                                                                                  wow ouch. I agree with TorontoJo - seems like she's not down with that lovely tonkotsu broth? I feel like most of the ramen places are like this (the most unctuous is Raijin's kakuni imo). The only one that hasn't had this super-rich broth is Ryoji (chicken/fish I believe).

                                                                                  Admittedly, I've eaten here only a few times, but never have my noodles been mushy. As a note, you can order your noodles "hard" as well (which I like).

                                                                                  1. re: ylsf

                                                                                    I've eaten at almost every santouka location multiple times and have never, ever had mushy noodles. What are the odds that Pataki eats there and everything goes to shit on her visit?

                                                                                    To be honest they're so consistent that its more likely her sense of taste is completely whacked.

                                                                                    Also, Tampopo reference? Really?

                                                                                    1. re: Notorious P.I.G.

                                                                                      let's write a review after reading some wikipedia entries.

                                                                                      1. re: aser

                                                                                        LOLOLOL

                                                                                        1. re: aser

                                                                                          LOLOLOL

                                                                                        2. re: Notorious P.I.G.

                                                                                          There's more than 50 worldwide. That's some feat!

                                                                                          1. re: MissBingBing

                                                                                            Let me clarify, in North America. Don't touch it in Asia.

                                                                                          2. re: Notorious P.I.G.

                                                                                            On Santouka's website they did say the owners were inspired after watching Tampopo,

                                                                                            1. re: Teep

                                                                                              Oh yes, I'm familiar with santouka's beginnings and for that reason I just think that angle is super played out and cliche.

                                                                                        3. the tsukemen is my fav current soup noodle in the city right now. It could be only bettered by santouka dishing hanjuku eggs.

                                                                                          amy pataki, you're wack.

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                                                                                          1. re: aser

                                                                                            will have to try it! Raijin has it on their menu too and I enjoyed it. Great for the warmer weather.

                                                                                            1. re: aser

                                                                                              Yeah, I don't know why they use that style of egg as opposed to a Hanjuku or Ajitama style.

                                                                                              I even asked for them to swap out the normal egg for a hanjuku and they wouldn't do it.

                                                                                              1. re: Notorious P.I.G.

                                                                                                Yo P.I.G, who does the most credible hanjuku style egg in the city?

                                                                                                1. re: themiguel

                                                                                                  I like Santouka's. I'd like it better if it was flavoured like an Ajitama. Kinton's is ok but I've gotten it and it's been cold a number of times which takes it down a notch. Haven't tried Raijin because Santouka opened up before I had a chance to go over and I don't see any reason to eat Ramen anywhere else now.

                                                                                                  1. re: Notorious P.I.G.

                                                                                                    Thanks, Raijin's isnt bad at all actually - on par with Santouka I would say, although the rest of the bowl doesn't quite measure up. Sansotei's egg I have never cared for.

                                                                                                    1. re: themiguel

                                                                                                      Cool, cool. I'll have to give it a try sometime.