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Looking to buy 5000-8000 stone, which would be good for me?

  • TeRReT Feb 28, 2012 05:37 AM
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Ok, so I left edgepro back in Canada, and so far I have a 220 and a 1000 grit stone, both are king, and I am looking to get a higher grit finishing stone so I can practice and keep my knives nice and sharp.

I have found numerous 5000, 6000 and 8000 stones, all at reasonable prices, but now I have found a few brands and not sure which route to go.

For example I can get a 6000 grit king for $14 or I could get a 5000 grit Shapton for $20. I don't really want both, and either 5000 or 6000 is going to be fine I'd think, but am I going to notice a difference between the brands? There is also Shrimp brand with a naniwa finish, but I don't think thats actually naniwa brand, naniwa just refers to Osaka according to my fiancee.

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  1. The king 6k stone worries me because I bought a king combo stone described as 800/4k, and the 4k side is junk - later I've seen that same stone sold as 800/6k, so I'm wary of recommending a king 4k-6k unless you hear directly from someone with first hand experience that the stone is usable. Mine loads up and glazes almost immediately. Very waxy feel to the surface, and not a whole lot of abrasion going on - using it is basically unproductive.

    If your highest grit stone is a 1k, just bear in mind that 8k is quite the jump from there. I routinely jump from 2k to 8k, but that's in part because I like the effect of not fully polishing out the lower stone's scratch pattern - you'd effectively be trying a jump that's just about twice as big as I do. The jump from 1k to 4k is similarly big to the jump from 2k to 8k.

    I haven't tried the shapton stone so I can't help you there (which shapton stone btw?) Price is pretty good for a 5k. Or the shrimp stone.

    I have tried the naniwa superstones in that range, and they're pretty great - no soak, good feedback, nice finish, reasonably fast cutting. But more expensive and a little easy to gouge. I have also tried the older style suehiro 6k stone (not the suehiro rika 5k). It's cheaper, very soft, decent finish. Also dishes fast, easy to gouge, takes a longer soak.

    Where are you finding stones in the 5-8k range for $15-20?

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    1. re: cowboyardee

      Sorry, the king is not a combo, I am just looking in the range of between 5000-8000, I guess 5000 might be better, but all the stones are just the one grit on both sides.

      As for the price, I am in Japan, so that helps a great deal :P

      As for which shapton, the m5 5000 is the best price, but there is also a m15 5000

      Is shrimp the same as naniwa or or naniwa superstone different?

      I could try to just get a 4000 or 5000 I guess if the jump is too high, but the price was right for higher so I was considering them :P

      1. re: TeRReT

        I understood that the king isn't a combo - my point was just that I'd be hesitant about buying a king stone in that range unless I could plainly tell that it wasn't the same abrasive surface as the king 4k I got on my combo stone. At the same time, I know I've seen other king stones in that grit range that seem to be just fine - Murray Carter uses one on his videos, i think. No way for me to be absolutely sure which version you're getting is all, so I suggest you proceed with caution when considering King's 4k-6k stones.

        I'm guessing that the shrimp stone =/= the naniwa superstone. But I can't say for sure. Before you, I've never heard mention of a 'shrimp' stone. As you've noticed, there are a lot of stones marked 'naniwa' - the superstone is only one of them. The Chosera is another - more expensive too.

        The prices there are so good that I suggest you might consider a 2k-4k stone AND a 6k-8k stone. They seem to go for a lot more in the US and Canada.

        1. re: cowboyardee

          Yeah, I'll probably end up doing that, but my fiancee's parents want to get me one for my birthday so maybe I'll get a 3000 shapton or something, and then worry about getting something other then king 5-8k or something later when I settle.

          I am sure the shrimp is not the same as the naniwa super, I'll track them down later, they don't have the best selection at these small shops but they have a lot of king and shrimp and some shapton

    2. I have a 5000 grit Naniwa Super Stone that works great for keeping the edge on my Shuns.
      I dont think you need both a 5k and a 6k. maybe a 5k and an 8k if you really want to get down fine.

      1. Shapton is considered a good brand, but King also has the reputation of being very good value. I think both are good, but the Shapton one probably is a touch better buy. Did you see any "Chosera"? SInce you are able to buy these stones at such low prices, and Chosera may be a good buy for you too.

        By the way, there are many levels of King and many levels of Shapton, so it is difficult to judge.

        The Shrimp Naniwa has excellent mirror finish.

        Sorry that I couldn't be more helpful.

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        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

          +1 on the Chosera if you can find em cheap(1k=$95.,5k=$135ish here in Toronto)
          I'd also recommend an Arashiyama 6k if you see one($70. here in T.O).great finishing stone.splash n' go nice feed back,more like an 8k, silky smooth..

          1. re: petek

            unfortunately chosera is $130 so not as much of a bargain, but I will see what I can find later

            1. re: TeRReT

              How are you liking Japan? When are you coming back? Did you find that knife that you were looking for?

              1. re: PepinRocks

                I am here at least another 11 months, I am loving is so far though the last month has just been running around getting immigration card, cell phone, bank account, internet, etc, but now I am working on the much harder task of finding a job and an apartment.

                I am loving it here though, and I have bought one knife for $9, just a basic nakiri to test the waters with white steel and that shape of knife. Loving it so far, but not loving my fiancee's mother's cutting board, so looking forward to getting our own apartment so I can use a better cutting board to properly test it.

                Eventually I will get more better knives, but for now enjoying what I've brought and bought.

                If i find a good job I could be here upwards of 3 years though :P

        2. I like my takenoko 6-8k. There is some confusion on the grit, but most say it is a 6k (arishiyama) that cuts like an 8k (takenoko) -- whatever that means. Basically, the 6k arishiyama and 8k takenoko are the same stone -- so I call it 7k just to avoid confusion:) I use it after a 4k, and it is the last stone in my progression. You can get the takenoko at Japanese Knife Sharpening for $63. I got mine at Japan Woodworker though, and it is a bit more expensive at JWW and comes without a base. Kind of spendy I know, but it cuts fast and gives good feedback. I like it.