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Authentic Bagel Company - only 90 perfect bagels made daily [Oakland]

rworange Feb 25, 2012 03:07 PM

It has been so long since I've had an authentic bagel, I can't even remember what they taste like. They should taste as good as Authentic Bagel.

These are the best bagels I've had since moving to California decades ago.

The plain had a nice chewy crust, not so hard as to leave the crowns of your teeth like some bagels. There is a nice dense interior yet still soft and tender.

They have a shop, but I haven't been there. I bought these at Telegraph, a new sausage joint. John said that Authentic Bagel only made 90 daily. I don't know why that is.

The owners, Jason and Mark Scott, are brothers from Boston who according to their website 'were sent to the west coast to give you a real chewy bagel! Boiled never Steamed! Because everything else is just white bread with a hole! California has been missing out on a good New England style bagel. Now you got one!"

Ok bagel purists ... this might rub some Chowhound fur the wrong way ... but there are flavors

Cinnamon Raisin
Peanut Butter chocolate chip
Cinnamon crunch
Maple Bacon
Specialty announced daily

I say deliciousness trumps pure authenticity.

They are just fabulous toasted as well. On the way home, I decided i wanted to get a good smear in honor of the bagels, so I stopped at a respected local bagel shop. As a test I got a plain bagel there. It was like nothing. No competition at all.

Telegrah, the sausage joint, also had some sort of hummus sandwich on the bagels one day.

Telegraph opens at 8 am weekdays and is on Telegraph Avenue at Grand just across the street from Taco Bell. It is a nice stop if on your way to work and you need to pick up a bite for breakfast and coffee. Telegraph also sells Pepple's donuts.

Address and website of Authentic Bagel Company

Address and website of Telegraph ... and try the sausages too

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  1. Robert Lauriston RE: rworange Feb 25, 2012 03:25 PM

    Yelp is wrong. As you can see on their Web site, they don't have a shop. It's a side project of the chef at Monaghan's in Montclair, which is the address some clueless Yelper posted. There was a post about ABC here a while back but I guess it got removed, maybe as spam.


    Some more places to get them are mentioned on Facebook:


    Telegraph is the former Mama Buzz, several reports: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/832814

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      rworange RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 25, 2012 03:40 PM

      Actually I was the one who was wrong in my OP. I saw the address and jumped to the conculsion there was a shop.

      As you can see on the facebook link you provided, the info link on facebook has the same address as yelp.


      So I guess they only sell business to business. Some of the places they sell from their facebook page cafe yesterday, Good Bellies, Uncommon Grounds, Emery Bay Cafe, Coffee Mill, Telegragh on Telegragh, Rick and Ann's, Philz coffee on Shattuck!

      Hmmm ... reading their facebook wall it seems that the special one day was cinnamon and butter scotch. That is so wrong and yet I want that bad boy.

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        Mission RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 25, 2012 04:44 PM

        Monaghan's is not in Montclair.

        Its in Woodminster at the foot of Joaquin Miller road in the "The Hights" (sic)

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          drewskiSF RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 25, 2012 05:43 PM

          They might not have a shop, but apparently from Facebook, as RWO points out, they do have an address which matches the Yelp listing (and Monaghans).

          Most new places on Yelp are manually entered by the First To Review person. The First To Review on Yelp is Jason S. who happens to only have 1 review for Authentic Bagel.

          Could be Jason Scott, one of the bagel brothers, who you point out is the Exec Chef @ Monaghans, which would make him not that clueless, but also reviewing your own business is a No-No . . .

          Anyway, what's your beef with Yelp?

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          hyperbowler RE: rworange Mar 2, 2012 01:40 PM

          I should know better given the half-life of bagels, but I had an untoasted bagel at noon today at Telegraph. It was leaden, the dough not uniformly cooked on the inside, and strangely cold. I'm going to have to stop in one day at 8AM to assess these when they're fresh.

          On the upside their whiskey and fennel sausage sandwich was awesome.

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            Rapini RE: rworange Mar 2, 2012 04:01 PM

            "Peanut Butter chocolate chip".
            "Maple Bacon".

            What kind of fehcockteh bagel bakery makes bagels like that? You don't need to be a bagel purist to know those are dead wrong. Hope the consistency is good, 'cause the flavors are way out of line.

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              rworange RE: Rapini Mar 2, 2012 04:44 PM

              i look forward to your post on actually trying one of the bagels in the more traditional flavors rather than speculating on what may or may not be wrong.

              If other baked goods can change flavor profiles why not the bagel. People will trip all over themselves to get that bacon cupcake or whatever the gross cupcake flavor of the day is ... there was one place that made a chicken and waffle cupcake that had real fried chicken on top.

              it is not like almost every bagel joint doesn't have fruit flavored, chocolate chip or savory bagels with cheese or jalepenos. So this isn't such a big leap.

              Actually, if you think about it a breakfast sandwhich with an egg on a maple bacon bagel might work ... depends on what they mean by maple bacon.

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                wolfe RE: rworange Mar 2, 2012 05:23 PM

                I'm sorry but a peanut butter chocolate chip thing in a round shape is not a bagel, it is a chimera.

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                  wolfe RE: rworange Mar 2, 2012 05:39 PM

                  My question is when they make 90 perfect bagels day is that of each variety or is it 90 divided by 11 or 12?

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                    rworange RE: wolfe Mar 2, 2012 05:45 PM

                    That was just the number tossed at me by Telegraph, so I have no clue.

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                  Rapini RE: rworange Mar 2, 2012 05:35 PM

                  I make no judgment about the regular bagel. I'm sure they're tasty. I look forward to trying one--plain or poppy seed, most likely.

                  As for authenticity, I'm of the view that if you want an authentic NY bagel, you go to NY. If you want an authentic cheese steak, you go to Philadelphia. And so on. I just look for a bagel (in this case) that approximates what I enjoyed when I lived back east, and accept it as what's available here.

                  But a person must have standards; and maple bacon (not gonna be kosher, is it?), PB, chocolate chip and the like are way beyond where I draw the Bagel Line.

                  Just one 'hound's opinion.

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                    rworange RE: Rapini Mar 2, 2012 05:44 PM

                    >>>> maple bacon (not gonna be kosher, is it?

                    OK, that's making me laugh. i had not thought that thru.

                    It lis like the year Noah's went ecumenical and had gingerbread bagels. Sadly, i kind of liked those and was sorry to see they regained some sanity and never made them again.

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                      fruti RE: rworange Mar 3, 2012 06:39 PM

                      And no one loves bacon like us of the Jewish faith. Yeah, some of us are still kosher but most of the rest of us adore bacon. I think some bagel flavors are nasty and non-traditional but my main beef with west coast bagels is the awful non-authentic texture. I appreciate the mention of these and will try them for myself. Thanks

                    2. re: Rapini
                      Robert Lauriston RE: Rapini Mar 3, 2012 09:41 AM

                      Finding an old-fashioned bagel isn't much easier in New York than it is here. There's one place in Brooklyn.

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                        sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 9, 2012 12:16 AM

                        I agree, but sadly, I'm here to tell you the one place in Brooklyn you mentioned previously in another thread is unlikely to still fit the bill. They're giant bready things now.

                        One of the oldest, if not oldest bagel places out near Coney Island is still producing a faithful version, with the new Muslim owners keeping to tradition.

                        The last H&H factory which was supplying one or two places in SF was set to shutter again, likely for the last time.

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                          Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Mar 10, 2012 10:02 AM

                          I hear Bagel Hole's still the real deal. A rabbi I know who grew up in New Jersey was in Brooklyn last weekend, I told him to check it out, his family bought four dozen. He did think it was odd that they sell ham.

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                            sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 10, 2012 12:35 PM

                            They're not old style, they're oversized, bigger than Ess-a-bagels, and bigger than Pick-a-bagels. Could still fit someone's idea of "real deal" of course. Maybe I was there on "big bagel day", and it was fluke.

                            The place I was thinking of is Coney Island Bialy and Bagels, opened in 1920.

                    3. re: rworange
                      tjinsf RE: rworange Mar 3, 2012 04:20 PM

                      I've had their bagels in the traditional flavours and they were pretty crappy in my opinion. they seemed boiled and baked or only baked. the texture was off and it didn't have the right chew. In terms of saltness/sweetness is was in between a Montreal and a NYC bagel. I prefer NYC bagel to Montreal even being a Canadian and I still bring a bag of bagels back with when I visit brooklyn so I'm probably a harsh judge.

                      Also anytime someone uses the ones Authentic, Artisan or handcrafted for food I get the feeling it's anything but that.

                      The bagel doesn't need to change cause when you have a good Brooklyn bagel just made, it so perfect, you don't need anything on it at all and you don't need to do anything other than eating even a smear is too much.

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                        oakjoan RE: rworange May 30, 2012 12:05 PM

                        Re: rworange's bagel rant several posts up from here. WHAT SHE SAID! I don't understand why folks have to be so rigid about "proper" or "real" or "authentic" foodstuffs. I might find a caramel bagel disgusting, but if the plain or onion bagels made my the same bakers are great......who cares? I just stay away from the weirdo flavor combos.

                        Sometimes I get a tremendous yearning for a good bagel or other deli stuff and wish I could teleport myself back to Langers in L.A. It's heartening to find that there are some good bagels nearby.

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                      hyperbowler RE: rworange Mar 7, 2012 01:34 PM

                      I stopped by for a sausage at about 11:30 today and grabbed a bagel while I was there. Apparently they open at 11AM, so I don't think their bagels could be eaten any fresher. Again, it was dead cold, so I had them toast it.

                      The bagel makers say they are "2 Brothers sent from New England to give the west coast a real chewy bagel!" I didn't realize that New England had a unique style, and if it does, I can't comment on their authenticity. From my NY bagel baseline, their bagel tasted like bread and lacked the malty flavor I look for. The crust wasn't fully developed and didn't have the signature thickness of a NY bagel either. In light of my previous experience with their untoasted bagel, this one was pretty light.

                      I don't know why I even bother writing about this... bagel discussions are the least rewarding of all food discussion. I've taken several visitors to great NY places for pastrami, pizza, hot dogs, pickles and they either acknowledge their superiority or vehemently fight for their own local style (e.g., Chicago). Non-NY'ers seem at best neutral to the NY bagel. Good NY bagels qualitatively differ from others, but their superiority is largely guided by personal/local and nostalgic preference.

                      I was pretty happy with Schmendrick's bagels at their recent pop-ups, but I think I'll take Rapini's advice and stick to bagels when I'm in NY. Even if most NY bagel places are nowhere near as good as Schmendrick's, context and nostalgia add quite a bit.

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                      1. re: hyperbowler
                        rworange RE: hyperbowler Mar 7, 2012 03:06 PM

                        They changed hours? They opened at 8 am. This surprises me as they had a steady stream at that hour.

                        I didn't think nabbing them as they were made would do much for you. You just don't like them and they are not to your taste.

                        I had one at 9 am., another at night and two more the next day. I liked them all equally. I still think they are better than anything else sold in the area ... especially, hopefully the demised Spot Bagel

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                          hyperbowler RE: rworange Mar 7, 2012 04:10 PM

                          Phew... I thought I was going crazy... I was wondering why I said in my earlier post that I should go there at 8AM!

                          From http://Telegraphoakland.com/
                          Open Daily: Tue-Fri: 11am - 10pm / Sat-Sun: 10am - 10pm

                          Thanks for getting me to go there though--- the veggies and bread didn't work well for me in their banh mi sandwich, but that whiskey and fennel sausage sandwich is one of my favorite east bay sandwiches.

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                        ricegeek RE: rworange Mar 11, 2012 11:02 PM

                        Thanks for the report! I just went to Telegraph today to try it out after this thread. Having been a transient in New Year for 3 years, I am not a bagel purist, but I have had my share of bagels from H&H, Hot Bialys and the ubiquitous corner bagel shops. Authentic's bagels are pretty damn good.

                        After being deprived from a good bagel in the Bay Area for a few years, I was so terrified of missing out on my opportunity this morning to try it that I called ahead to order the take out. The lady who answered the phone mentioned 5 flavors, plain and 4 other flavors that didn't interest me (sorry for not remember the details because I was that eager). I got there around 10:30, and had the place all to myself, which I assume had something to do with DST screwing with everyone else. The lady was just finishing up my order as I got there, so no idling time, for the bagel, wasted. When I got home to eat my bagel 10 minutes later, the thing that impressed me was the crispy skin in contrast to the chewy dough in the center. It was definitely lighter than a NYC bagel, but it's our favorite in the bay by far, with Berkeley Bagel coming in second (we haven't tried Beauty Bagel yet). All I need now is for them to mass produce, while keeping the quality, so I don't have to pay $4 for a bagel with cream cheese. Great find!

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                          rworange RE: ricegeek Mar 12, 2012 02:14 AM

                          Glad you liked it.

                          Before I left the Bay Area for a year, Berkeley Bagel was my favorite. However,I just revisited and they weren't as good as I remembered.Have you been recently? Have they changed?

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                            Glencora RE: rworange Mar 12, 2012 07:35 AM

                            Don't know exactly when, but Berkeley Bagel did change -- from ok to not ok.

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                              Robert Lauriston RE: rworange Mar 12, 2012 08:59 AM

                              The bagel I tried at Berkeley Bagel was better than the ones at its dreadful predecessor Boogie Woogie Bagel Boy but nothing special.

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                                ricegeek RE: rworange Mar 12, 2012 09:00 AM

                                I have not been back for 6 months now, and it's sad to hear that they change for the worst. They seem to be an ideal family business to thrive in that area when we visited them back then.

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                                hyperbowler RE: ricegeek Mar 12, 2012 12:59 PM

                                Was the bagel toasted? (I'm wondering if this is a requirement, or if I just happened to go on days when their bagels weren't fresh)

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                                  ricegeek RE: hyperbowler Mar 12, 2012 01:57 PM

                                  It was toasted. The flavor and density of the bagel definitely deviate from the NY bagels, but for me, the texture is what sold me.

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                                  moto RE: ricegeek Mar 17, 2012 03:12 PM

                                  with the Coffee Mill about ten minutes from our front door, stepped in to see about the bagels today. this unpretentious neighborhood cafe has pleasant, friendly counter staff, probably members of the family that own it. chose a whole wheat and sesame, varieties that usually tell me enough about the baker's skills.

                                  they're not quite traditional, because the crumb is just a bit too fluffy and airy. but they have a properly chewy skin and decent flavour. probably have to give a slight edge to Beauty's bagels, for their superior crumb density, but they're much less accessible. flavour-wise, they probably get the nod over Boogie Woogie bagel in Alameda, who do a decent job, and they're much closer than Sonoma or Arcata, the other places that do a pretty good, traditional, non-chain bagel. none of them have the density and chewiness of the Brick Lane Beigelry in the east end.

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                                    Robert Lauriston RE: moto Mar 17, 2012 04:57 PM

                                    Who makes good bagels in Sonoma?

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                                      moto RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 17, 2012 05:12 PM

                                      Homegrown, on Napa St., it's off the street in a small shopping plaza. recently, have tried the whole wheat only -- they've been in business 30+ years.

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                                        drewskiSF RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 17, 2012 05:40 PM


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                                        abstractpoet RE: moto May 21, 2012 01:17 PM

                                        I went into Coffee Mill today, and the lady at the counter said she didn't think their bagels were from Authentic Bagel Company, though I mentioned how the cafe was listed on the ABC website. She said she thought it was from some other place, and that they were organic. Maybe she just misremembered?

                                        Anyway, I gave a buttered sesame bagel a shot anyway ($1.75 -- would have been $1.25 just for the bagel). It was too late in the day to risk it untoasted, as would have been my preference, but it was fine toasted.

                                        Flavor was very good, as moto noted, but definitely NOT what I think of as a traditional East Coast bagel. Not very dense at all and only a little bit chewy. It grew on me, though. Like I said, the flavor was great. I'd certainly buy one again, but fear the untoasted version might not be up to snuff.

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                                          majordanby RE: abstractpoet May 25, 2012 05:15 PM

                                          bought a bagel a few weeks ago from the cafe zoe location. It was $1.95 just for the bagel. not as expensive as schmendricks, but a few dimes more than beauty's. i think mochimunchie's description is apt - crisp chewy crust wih soft interior. I got the everything bagel - tasty.

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                                            abstractpoet RE: majordanby May 26, 2012 12:04 AM

                                            Huh. Well, that pricing difference leads me to believe they must not be ABC bagels at Coffee Mill. But it's weird that they're still listed on the ABC website.

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                                      mochimunchie RE: rworange Apr 26, 2012 02:33 PM

                                      They have a new shop - 6000 College Ave - Zoe. Had a toasted plain bagel this afternoon and it was great. Crisp chewy crust with chewy but soft interior.

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                                        Armoise RE: mochimunchie Apr 26, 2012 02:55 PM

                                        Nice for the bagels, but a drag for us Cafe Zoe regulars who no longer can get the great pastries from Indie Pies and Cakes that have been dropped by the new owners....

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                                          hyperbowler RE: mochimunchie Jun 4, 2012 07:41 AM

                                          Has anyone managed to score a fresh bagel from them? I stopped in this morning. Despite being assured the bagels were fresh, I proceeded to watch them cut me a frozen bagel. I got my money back. The previous two times I got bagels from Telegraph I recall them being extremely cold. I wonder if this is their regular practice?

                                        2. Robert Lauriston RE: rworange May 25, 2012 09:18 AM

                                          An article in Diablo says Authentic Bagel Company has a commercial kitchen in Emeryville and supplies around a dozen cafes, so they must be making more than 99 a day. Also says they're opening on a bagel shop / cafe in the former Cafe Zoe "with New York deli items such as corned beef and pastrami on rye bread, smoked white fish, lox, etc., with all the curing and pickling done in-house (including homemade pickles, sauerkraut, and coleslaw)" in mid-June.


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                                            sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston May 25, 2012 07:39 PM

                                            San Francisco used to have deli items too, once upon a time, and LA still has delis that compete. I guess the deli tradition of California has been erased.

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                                              kobescott RE: Robert Lauriston Jun 16, 2012 01:59 PM

                                              Authentic bagel company won't be opening up at the cafe zoe location anymore. They will be opening a shop somewhere but not at 6000 college avenu in oakland. They are still selling their bagels there but it won't turn into the deli or authentic bagel company.

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                                                dublaze RE: kobescott Jul 12, 2012 12:29 AM

                                                Here's a nice primer on Authentic: http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/6...

                                                Also: they Tweeted this today, July 11: Who wants bagels? Swing down to our new shop on thurs July 12 say hi! Buy a dozen bagels and get an Authentic...

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                                              zippo RE: rworange Jul 28, 2012 11:07 AM

                                              A hardworking blogger at OurOakland.Net, Gene Anderson, is reporting that tomorrow, Sunday 7/29, Authentic Bagel is scheduled to open their new retail shop in Oakland on 2nd Street near Jack London Square.



                                              Authentic Bagel Company
                                              463 2nd St. (a few yards west of Broadway
                                              )Oakland, CA 94607
                                              (510) 459-1201

                                              @BagelCo on Twitter

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                                                drewskiSF RE: zippo Jul 28, 2012 11:16 AM

                                                the blog also says Cafe Zoe is turning into Old Brooklyn Bagels & Deli. wonder what happened between them & ABC?

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                                                  mochimunchie RE: drewskiSF Jul 28, 2012 01:34 PM

                                                  Not sure what happened but Old Brooklyn is making their own boiled bagels now. Had one this morning - toasted. Crispy outside, slightly chewy inside, nice flavor. I liked it a lot. I also had the roast beef sandwich the other day. Great sandwich - nice roll (I think it's acme), horseradish cream, good amount of beef and fresh tomato, onion and lettuce. Can't wait to try the hot sandwiches - especially the pastrami and corned beef.

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                                                    Pius Avocado III RE: mochimunchie Aug 9, 2012 11:24 AM

                                                    Here's what happened (scroll down half way):


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                                                  zippo RE: zippo Jul 28, 2012 01:27 PM

                                                  Jason of Authentic Bagel confirmed that they they will open tomorrow, Sunday 7/29, from 11 am until 3 pm.

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                                                    Pius Avocado III RE: zippo Aug 5, 2012 03:10 PM

                                                    Went by today shortly after 11; this is the former O My Dawg space. I got an everything bagel with smoked salmon cream cheese. They toast the bagels in old-fashioned pop-up toasters; unfortunately, the bagels don't fit very well and mine was blackened over much of the outside. Where it wasn't burnt, the exterior lacked the great, firm texture sported by Baron's and as noted above the interior is a bit too airy, but it was scorching the bagel that's the real deal-breaker for me.

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                                                      majordanby RE: Pius Avocado III Aug 5, 2012 04:02 PM

                                                      went by today as well. didnt toast, brought back a few home and either ate as is or toasted myself. doesnt have the first outer casing of Baron's, but has a denser interior. the sesame, plain, and everything were fine. the raisin not so much. Cost was $1.75 a bagel, $15 for a dozen. Only open on Sundays 11-3, but they told me they have plans to increase days open by next month or so. my sample size of two for barons and authentic: baron's exterior firm/crispy, interior airy. abc exterior not firm, interior denser. Still like schmendricks (got them fresh, both firm and dense), but cost and convenience prevents me from buying them as often as i would want.

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                                                        Spatlese RE: Pius Avocado III Aug 12, 2012 04:17 PM

                                                        Dropped by today and picked up a few plain and sesame bagels - haven't tried the sesame ones yet, but based on the plain one I had, I'd still have to give the nod to Baron's as the best of the newcomers I've tried - these have decent chew, but the crusts have no snap like the crisp exteriors on the Baron's ones. They're a step up from what was previously the bagel norm around here, and certainly more convenient for me on Sundays as far as picking up a couple on their own, but not great. Still have to try Schmendrick's bagels, but the idea of paying $3 per bagel gives me hives.

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                                                          Malcolm Ruthven RE: Spatlese Aug 13, 2012 10:15 PM

                                                          Where is Baron's?

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                                                            wolfe RE: Malcolm Ruthven Aug 13, 2012 11:53 PM

                                                            Recent Barton's mentions.

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                                                              Malcolm Ruthven RE: wolfe Aug 14, 2012 03:36 AM

                                                              Thanks, all that was new to me. I look forward to him expanding out of the East Bay.

                                                    2. majordanby RE: rworange Aug 22, 2012 09:55 AM

                                                      Chron taste test of bay area bagels. Looks like they hit a lot of them. ABC and Baron's made their top tier.


                                                      1. Robert Lauriston RE: rworange Jun 30, 2013 12:32 PM

                                                        Got a plain. Round bread. Below average even by chain standards.

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