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Hoagies [split from Philly]

lynnlato Feb 21, 2012 08:21 AM

The best hoagies aren't found in Philly. They're found in the small towns throughout PA, most notably Williamsport PA. However, the best hoagie rolls do come from Philly. Just my humble opinion.

  1. Rodzilla Mar 18, 2012 10:36 PM

    9th street deli in Indiana PA

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      brookquarry Mar 15, 2012 01:25 PM

      Well, I grew up in central Pa too (Lancaster County) and the hoagies (and cheesesteaks) I have had in Philly are generally superior to most local varieties.

      On the other hand we have MUCH better soft pretzels.

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      1. re: brookquarry
        Bacchus101 Mar 16, 2012 04:06 AM

        Brookquarry, I would definitely agree that the sheets of Philly Soft Pretzels are not on the top of the list for me either; have had much better elsewhere. It is hard to beat Pretzels of any texture from Berks, Lancaster and Lebanon counties in PA once known as the Pretzel Capital of the US.

        1. re: brookquarry
          Bacchus101 Mar 18, 2012 05:34 AM

          BQ, you may be interested in a topic on the Philadelphia board regarding Soft Pretzels. You will note that the posters recall better/different pretzels and are at best conflicted regarding those now being offered.

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          inspector71 Mar 2, 2012 05:51 PM

          I've been told that the single most important ingredient in bread/rolls/etc. is the water- nothing else determines the flavor of the end product as significantly as H2O. I'm not a scientist, but I've been told this by bakers in various corners of the world. Supposedly, the secret to San Francisco's world-famous sourdough bread (as well as their croissants) is the local water. Boudin's (pronounced "bo - deen's) bakery will ship fresh sourdough to your door.

          Tallarico's produces an excellent wet, ground, hot pepper item that can be spread on hoagies; sort of a relish-like quality to it. In fact, the name of the product (which is packaged in a jar) is "hoagie spread." I'm not aware of their regional availability, but if you can obtain their various products (including "steak sauce") I recommend that you try them.

          As to cheesesteaks and Italian hoagies, I'm particular to a hole-in-the-wall joint in Millville, NJ named "Shannon's." (There is now a second shop not far away). Incredible flavor, quality ingredients, and bang for your buck. A thoroughly stuffed 2-foot cheesesteak is only $9 (as of autumn, 2011)! My wife and I can really scarf down some grub, but we can't finish the 2-footer between us!

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            janebond462 Feb 24, 2012 10:26 AM

            There's something about Schuylkill River water that makes bread & rolls so good (probably something toxic like PCB's, mercury or arsenic). . . . I grew up in Schuylkill County and I'm not fond of any of the hoagies there.

            My favorite hoagies are from Primo which is expanding their franchises out of Philly into the PA/NJ/DE suburbs. The rolls have a thin, crisp shell & a pillowy interior. They use Thumann's meats & cheese which are really tasty. The provolone is so sharp it could cut your tongue! Best cheese I've ever had on a sandwich.

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            1. re: janebond462
              lynnlato Feb 24, 2012 10:51 AM

              My mother opened her own hoagie shop in the NC Outer Banks back in the 80's. We had vacationed there for many years and the area was slowly starting to grow (who knew it would evolve into what it is today?) and so my parents decided we should move there and open a restaurant. My mom knew there was no way she would find good bread in NC so she had our hoagie rolls shipped town from Philly. Smart lady she was. :)

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              Boognish Feb 22, 2012 09:15 AM

              I've never seen anything on par with Sarcones in central PA. Nothing even close (having grown up there.) But I'd love to think there is! I drive through the Wililiamsport area a few times a year, so any info would be great.

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              1. re: Boognish
                lynnlato Feb 22, 2012 02:08 PM

                You're so right Cheesesteak, it is a bold statement. And while I certainly have not sampled most of the hoagies in the Philly metro area, I'm just not a fan of the ones that I have had. Perhaps it's just a regional thing, but the Philly hoagies generally have too much meat for my taste. I like a good balanced, bread to meat ratio, not too much oil & vin and for me a hoagie has to have "wet peppers" - the crushed red peppers w/ seeds in oil that are oh so zippy. I'll admit, I'm a central PA girl and so we believe we hail from hoagie country. Williamsport and the small towns that surround it and NE PA (i.e. Scranton, Wilke-Barre). But that Philly bread is a huge, huge part of what make a good hoagie, IMHO.

                Boognish, You want the best Hoagie in Williamsport? In my opinion it's at Ed's Market at 1200 Franklin St. Peachie will take good care of you. Oh, and while you're there, grab a bag of MIddleswarth bbq chips. You can't get 'em anywhere but central PA - not even online (well, there is a company called PA Snacks that sells & distributes them online, but MIddleswarth does not sell them online). The best Williamsport cheesesteak can be found at Joey's Place - where they use strictly provolone - no whiz to be found.

                Also in Wmspt, is Newberry Sub Shop, 2002 Newberry St. - great little place with quality hoagies, cosmos and cheesesteaks.

                Near The Lycoming Mall in Muncy is Hall's Station Sub Shop, 273 Lycoming Mall Dr.

                DeSanto Subs in Montoursville. http://www.desantosubs.com/

                In Lewisburg down Rt. 15 is Dor-Day's Sub Shop, 1226 Market St. They are okay, but they don't use the wet peppers.

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                  mookleknuck Feb 23, 2012 05:42 AM

                  +1 for Middleswarth BBQ chips! My family and friends shipped them to me when I was out of the area, but now, every time I'm in central PA (a geographical area that seems to stretch almost as far from Johnstown to Lancaster), I get myself a tiny bag as a treat! Do you miss the paper barrels?

                  Also, when you say "wet peppers," do you mean something like crushed red cherry peppers? You can get them on the hoagies in the Philly area.

                  Thanks for the recommendations; I look forward to trying them when I'm in the area!

                  1. re: mookleknuck
                    lynnlato Feb 23, 2012 01:56 PM

                    I SO miss the barrels! What the heck, they kept the chips fresh just as good as sealed bags (because they always sold out of them).

                    And yes, the crushed cherry peppers. Love those darned things. Now I'm craving an Ed's hoagie and a bag of Middleswarth - damn! (I''ve been in NC for 16 yrs... but I get back to Central PA often and when I do, I grab a hoagie/cosmo/cheesesteak and a "small" bag of chips too). :)

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                      mookleknuck Feb 24, 2012 07:42 AM

                      What's a cosmo? Is it different from a hoagie? (I will assume it's different from cheesesteak!)

                      You know, you can buy the crushed cherry peppers in the jar! I like to keep them in the fridge for making my own subs and hoagies.

                      1. re: mookleknuck
                        lynnlato Feb 24, 2012 10:48 AM

                        A cosmo is a heated hoagie. Kind of like a regular or Italian becomes a grinder when it is heated. Good Lord, I never realized there was such an extensive lingo until now. Ha!

                        Yes, I buy my "wet peppers" from an Italian deli in Wililamsport called Tony's Deli, on Washington Blvd. Williamsport has another kind of canned/jarred Italian pepper that nowhere else seems to have. They are called Italian bread peppers. All the Italians in town can their own and the local Italian restaurants serve them in a bowl w/ Italian bread at the beginning of a meal. They are basically rings of banana peppers tossed w/ oregano and fresh cloves of garlic and olive oil. Sometimes they add sliced green olives and red hot pepper flakes. They are addictive and are great on pizza, hoagies, salads, bread, etc.

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                          gfweb1 Feb 24, 2012 02:39 PM

                          A heated hoagie is a grinder. Sometimes w ground beef. The genre has been tainted by quiznos and subway's heated sandwiches.

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                            lynnlato Feb 25, 2012 05:55 AM

                            No, not in Central PA. It is, and always has been, a cosmo. A grinder is only a heated Italian/regular.

                            And I've never had a hoagie/grinder/cosmo with ground beef. Unless you mean a cheeseburger hoagie?

                            What is Quiznos & Subway?

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                              gfweb1 Feb 25, 2012 07:13 AM

                              One of the blessings of central PA is there are no wretched sandwich chains like Quizno's and Subway. Lousy rolls, lousy meat and a really weird smell most of the time.
                              They are the Porta Potty of sandwich places. You only go in when you absolutely have to.

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                                lynnlato Feb 25, 2012 06:17 PM

                                So true, gfweb1. A subway opened in Wmspt. several years ago and it blows my mind that people ever go in there. Same with Olive Garden - why the Hell would the locals go there when they have locally owned red sauce joints all over the place? It baffles me.

                                What I wouldn't give for one of each here in NC. But alas...

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                Cheesesteak Feb 22, 2012 07:43 AM

                That's a bold statement Lynn. Philly has about 50 small towns located inside of it, they're called "neighborhoods", and most of them can produce a pretty good hoagie. Except the Northeast, of course. Nobody likes the Northeast.

                I kid, I kid...

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                  fstrath Feb 22, 2012 07:22 AM

                  Can you be more specific? I.e., names of towns and
                  shops you've sampled?

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