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I don't think dropping the restaurant database is sufficient reason to allow links to Yelp (or any competing reviews site), particularly for places that have their own Web sites.

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  1. I'm not going to look it up but in the long database thread, Chow gave their blessing.

    If a site such as yelp is paying for a data provider, it seems dishonest to cut and paste their information into a Chowhound review. It is like cutting and pasting a review and not crediting the source.

    As you know, I am sorry that Chow made the unfortunate decision to have an easy way to link to restaurant data.

    Personally, for years I put that information into the database on that site and know how difficult it is to google. I'm not willing to do that work for posts repeatedly.

    I find getting that link from yelp the easiest. I keep both windows open and when I need an address link it is easy to get.

    Because location is so unimportant to Chow, my posts about restaurant tips will no longer have any information about location.

    It is unimportant because not only was a different data source not put in place if the current data was so technically unstable, there are no plans for it in the future. It is delegated to maybe Chow will consider it in the future but there are other priorities now.

    Should the decision be that Chow rethinks and decides not to allow these links in the interim that is fine too. I'll post the tip without location and Chowhounds can goggle the info. The first place that google will take them to is yelp.

    And quite frankly, whoever is posting information into a review will probably get that info from yelp. At least be honest. Give the site credit. According to many chowhounds including jim leff, yelp is no competition. You can't rely on the reviews there.

    Funny though, in the past two weeks where i've been participating there, I've found lots of Chowhounds there and we are becoming friends. I never would have known that without this decision.

    In those few weeks I've also gotten a HUGE amount of info and new tips. If it is good stuff, I share it on chowhound ... but it seems fair to credit the source and the site that is attracting the posters who provide that info.

    So ... win/win ... Chow gets fresh tips and doesn't have to pay the expenses of data providers. Yelp gets rightly credited as the source of restaurant addresses and websites.

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    1. re: rworange

      Yeah, Chow / CBS said it was OK, but I think it was a mistake, especially when people post something on another site and just put a pointer here or post second-hand information from another site, both of which you've been doing constantly. Cross-talk between Yelp and Chowhound only degrades Chowhound.

      You seem more focused on promoting Yelp, which you have referred to here as your "blog," than on participating here.

      1. re: Robert Lauriston

        Actually, in an email to me, the moderators pointed out that I should be handling my yelp reviews in a blog fashion. That wasn't my idea and i would not have otherwise thought of it.

        Let me work things out Robert without assigning modivation. I have fourteen stinking friends on yelp. I have never sought to get 'frame and glory' at yelp and have turned down yelp's invitation to be elite. It is just the place I will be putting my whole reviews at this point.

        Acually Chowhound has benefitted much more than yel.p on all this. Some fresh new ideas are on the Chowhound boards. It is not the same old, same old.

        I beneffited by from the leads at yelp and the additional information that Chowhound conversations brought. Chowhounds (and I include myself) learned that a new soul food restaurant was only ok, about an outstanding cupcake place. a wonderful polish festival in San Jose in September, a hidden noodle shop in fremont where the chef's family has 20 years sf eperience and 10 years in China and the list goes on.

        I never learned on Chowhound that Wise Sons was selling Montreal bagels from Beauth and the follow up we all got on those bagels was invaluable.

        i got yelp leads about two fab food trucks in Napa.If yelp is providing that information, then they sould be getting my entire review.

        If anything, yelp should be pissed that Chowhound is getting leads from it. But the fair thing is, the yelp records get credited. And ... who knows ... maybe some of those yelpers will start coming back to Chowhound to discuss the places they reviewed in depth. I know so far one that did.

        It is not a competition. Yelp is about reviews. Without a restaurant database, Chowhound is just discussions.

        god knows, you and others have complained about my long reviews here. You should be happy you are getting the best of what i tried and getting it briefly.

        1. re: rworange

          I heard about Wise Sons serving Beauty's bagels on Chowhound last June.

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7319...

          As the rules have been explained to me, you can post the whole thing here with a link to your "blog," but if you post a teaser here, that's promotion and against the rules.

          1. re: Robert Lauriston

            then you better be pointing that out to a whole lot of yelpers that are doing the same. if you feel that is a teaser, that is your interpretation. Actually i could be putting my sig llne on every single post without any content having to do with anything.If you want to push things and lose the great info chowhound has been getting then do so.

            You are free to ask further questions on anything I post. You don't have to look on yelp. others have done that and I know that has stimulated better conversation than my boring long review that most people don't read anyway.

            step away and think about it. it is certainly not a competition. restaurant after restaurant gets hunderes of yelp reviews and one or two topics here with few replies.

          2. re: rworange

            Do keep in mind one thing. For the Chowhound community, it's best to have a complete review here. Some of the best tips I get on Chowhound are via the search function, and if reviews are incomplete, I'd never see these keywords in the first place.

            1. re: rworange

              We're sorry if there was some confusion; we're happy to try to clear it up. Our blog linking rules apply to Yelp postings and are still in effect: Etiquette for Bloggers and Other Journalists ( http://www.chowhound.com/topics/36760... ) If any poster doesn't want to post reviews here anymore that's unfortunate but understandable, but it's not OK to send people elsewhere to read them. A post saying "my review is on Yelp" (or any other site) with a link to another site to which you've contributed content will be removed. It's not a Yelp-specific rule, it's our standard rule for all websites.

              The goal is not to post the minimum possible in order to be permitted to link, but rather, to include as much information as possible in the thread. Chowhound is a conversation, and it's difficult to have a good discussion of information that only exists off-site.

              1. re: The Chowhound Team

                One of the things i want to make clear is that i am not linking to my review. I am linking to my profile page on yelp and you can take a look at any of the posts. i am following the rules listed in your link

                "You may also announce your web site or blog via a one-line "sig" beneath your postings which includes the URL of the main page and (optionally) the name of the blog. There is no automated way to do this -- you must type it on each post where you wish to include it. "

                So, if it is not address information, this is exactly what i am posting as is the link at the end of this post. i'm not even saying 'my yelp blog'. the link just looked kind of weird there without any words.

                It is my profile page. I gave that a shot a few times for reasons unknown to me right now. I'm just playing around and see what works so I can continue to participate and offer tips on this site.

                It turns out it is sort of a PITA posting that anyway so i doubt i'll be doing that much. i updated my proflie page on chowhound to include

                IMO, I have had some great posts over the past week that led to lots of discussion here and brought up lots of information.

                My little link is hardly going to be the reason that Chowhound will shut down and I certainly don't have such a fan base that people are so enamoured with what I have to say .. and say ... and say

                Have some perspective. Neither yelp nor chowhound are going to fail or suceed based on anything i do. the people who manange both sites will be responsible for that. .

                It is certainly not a requirement to post reviews here.

                A brief tip is every as valuable ... and as i've found in the past week ... more valuable than blah, blah, blah. I'm actually thinking thru fewer sentences but instead of quantity, quality.

                I'm spending my quality time on Chowhound. i am certainly not the person anyone should be getting angry at.

                My blog
                http://www.yelp.com/user_details?user...

        2. I agree, even if TPTB said so, dumb decision and not one that needs to be followed blindly. I think it does a disservice to site readers to be so vindictive just for the sake of spitting in Chow's eye to keep linking to yelp when the restaurants own website is up and available for contact info. Or the google place page with a map. Or copy and paste the address info from google places into the post.

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          1. re: Melanie Wong

            That is your interrpretation that it is vindictive.

            IMO, your suggestion of copying and pasting from Google maps is unrealistic.

            Google maps is not easy to use. I would doubt that the majority of posters are going there to copy and paste information.

            The reality is that most of the people who get information for addresses get it from yelp. That is what almost always comes up first in google searches for a restaurant.

            So people will be getting that information from yelp just not crediting that site. I wonder what yelp or CBS would think of that practice.

            I know for a fact that already happened. A new restaurant opened, the poster put a review on yelp, came to Chowhound and put the review here. That poster provided a link to the website. They were not the first to post and they copied that website link from yelp.

            What makes me certain is

            1. it is a new restaurant with an impossible to google name... let's say it was 'Street' ... I tried.

            2. I have been there. They have no menus. No business cards. They are taciturn so asking questions doesn't get a lot of info

            3. Why wouldn't someone who posts on yelp first, not copy that info from yelp? I know I will.

            It is fine to say, 'don't link to yelp for address info'. How will you monitor where the address info comes from.

            Just be up front. Give yelp the credit just as anyone would credit a review elsewhere.

            If you mean by the 'the restaurants own website" , the chowhound database,well I would but Chow has yet to answer a topic by another poster about what is going to happen in terms of address information.

            If it is hard coding the address into topics, well, sure, I'll use the Chowhound database until it goes away. I don't know that. It doesn't make sense to insert data that will be gone in a month.

            if you mean by "the restaurants own website" is the actual website for the restaurant, it takes a lot more to find that ... then to find exactly where the address is ... contact info ... about us ... that takes time ... and then cut and paste ... time after time after time ... I know that is beyond me.

            Also my experience is that there are alot of flash sites out there, so copying and pasting is out of the question. You would have to manually key the info. You know that as well as I.

            I'm going to yelp. I'm cutting and pasting from there if it comes to that. In reality that is what most people wil do.

            Do I seriously think this will drive business to Yelp. Not for a minute. Most people on this site post on yelp. Most of them post on yelp first. They post more there. Not a lot of people are double posting as a handful so kindly do.

            After a few weeks of playing around with this, i think it is a good thing for Chowhound and probably closer to what Jim Leff envisoined for the site.

            I find I'm using Chowhound to give quality tips. Use chowhound as a discussion forum and not a review site. That is where it shines.

            I can point to some great information about Montreal bagels and a lot of good discussions that got intelligently discussed on Chowhound as a result of my deeper exploration into yelp.

            Yelp value is in reviews. Chowhound's value is discussion. I think there is no competition. Chowhound is the place where a select group of people come to discuss food, but not really review it.

            Chowhound dosn't get may new unreported tips or reviews. Other than some of your tips Melanie, I can't think of few discoveries I find here and no where else.

            I'm actually digging the change ... so it is far from vindicitive. I'm doing what Jim and the mods have told me to do for years ... have fun ... in a good way ... getting good information without worrying about providing database content here. Just robust food discussions.

            What is wrong or vindictive about that?

            Given how totally honest Jim is ... the man wouldn't accept a free muffin when he was hungry from his girlfriend who was a waitress because he reviewed the place in the past ... and that honesty is reflected in the integrity of Chowhound ... the most important thing it has going for it ... I hardly think that taking information from other places and posting it here would fit in with that
            That is your interrpretation that it is vindictive.

            IMO, your suggestion of copying and pasting from Google maps is unrealistic.

            Google maps is not easy to use. I would doubt that the majority of posters are going there to copy and paste information.

            The reality is that most of the people who get information for addresses get it from yelp. That is what almost always comes up first in google searches for a restaurant.

            So people will be getting that information from yelp just not crediting that site. I wonder what yelp or CBS would think of that practice.

            I know for a fact that already happened. A new restaurant opened, the poster put a review on yelp, came to Chowhound and put the review here. That poster provided a link to the website. They were not the first to post and they copied that website link from yelp.

            What makes me certain is

            1. it is a new restaurant with an impossible to google name... let's say it was 'Street' ... I tried.

            2. I have been there. They have no menus. No business cards. They are taciturn so asking questions doesn't get a lot of info

            3. Why wouldn't someone who posts on yelp first, not copy that info from yelp? I know I will.

            It is fine to say, 'don't link to yelp for address info'. How will you monitor where the address info comes from.

            Just be up front. Give yelp the credit just as anyone would credit a review elsewhere.

            If you mean by the 'the restaurants own website" , the chowhound database,well I would but Chow has yet to answer a topic by another poster about what is going to happen in terms of address information.

            If it is hard coding the address into topics, well, sure, I'll use the Chowhound database until it goes away. I don't know that. It doesn't make sense to insert data that will be gone in a month.

            if you mean by "the restaurants own website" is the actual website for the restaurant, it takes a lot more to find that ... then to find exactly where the address is ... contact info ... about us ... that takes time ... and then cut and paste ... time after time after time ... I know that is beyond me.

            Also my experience is that there are alot of flash sites out there, so copying and pasting is out of the question. You would have to manually key the info. You know that as well as I.

            I'm going to yelp. I'm cutting and pasting from there if it comes to that. In reality that is what most people wil do.

            Do I seriously think this will drive business to Yelp. Not for a minute. Most people on this site post on yelp. Most of them post on yelp first. They post more there. Not a lot of people are double posting as a handful so kindly do.

            After a few weeks of playing around with this, i think it is a good thing for Chowhound and probably closer to what Jim Leff envisoined for the site.

            I find I'm using Chowhound to give quality tips. Use chowhound as a discussion forum and not a review site. That is where it shines.

            I can point to some great information about Montreal bagels and a lot of good discussions that got intelligently discussed on Chowhound as a result of reading yelp reviews. I was interested, but there's no way to discuss it on yelp ... as least not as good as on Chowhound.

            Yelp value is in reviews. Chowhound's value is discussion. I think there is no competition. Chowhound is the place where a select group of people come to discuss food, but not really review it.

            Chowhound dosn't get may new unreported tips or reviews. Other than some of your tips Melanie, I can't think of few discoveries I find here and no where else.

            I'm actually digging the change ... so it is far from vindicitive. I'm doing what Jim and the mods have told me to do for years ... have fun ... in a good way ... getting good information without worrying about providing database content here. Just robust food discussions.

            What is wrong or vindictive about that?

            Given how totally honest Jim is ... the man wouldn't accept a free muffin when he was hungry from his girlfriend who was a waitress because he reviewed the place in the past ... and that honesty is reflected in the integrity of Chowhound ... the most important thing it has going for it ... I hardly think that taking information from other places and posting it here would fit in with that

            1. re: rworange

              i agree with most of your post.

              i don't know if your example of getting info from Yelp was my cross posting for Telegraph.

              if it was, while i wasn't the first Yelp poster and I did copy the address information (without crediting them), i didn't copy the website URL from Yelp; I was the one who provided the URL link TO Yelp for the listing :-) as you mentioned, it wasn't easily Google-able

              if it wasn't, please ignore ;-)

            2. re: Melanie Wong

              I agree with you to the extent that a restaurant's website is well supported. But, realistically speaking, I can't think of single restaurant website that is as informative and easy to use as a yelp page. With the exception of web-savvy popups that also use Facebook or Twitter, I find most restaurant webpages to be poorly designed and light on usable information. Ippuku, for example, took over a year to put up their hours and still doesn't have a sample menu. At least yelp has the critical information listed at the top of each entry without the hassle of music, flash, or rare updates. The other thing is that website url's change. A Chowhound link to a dead webpage can cause hundreds of users annoyance, but a dynamic yelp page that updates with a place's current information would be a lot easier. Finally, Yelp gives a sense of whether a place is closed or not, something that I thought was a great feature of the Chowhound Restaurant Database.

              I like the idea of linking to google, but I have a really difficult time navigating their sparse restaurant information. And I consider myself fairly web savvy.

              1. re: Melanie Wong

                Here's an example, though you should know this, about a regular restaurant that doesn't have big bucks to pay google to rise to the top of the web search. It even has a unique name which makes it easier to google than most ... Gaumenkitzel

                https://www.google.com/search?num=100...

                What comes first? Yelp reviews. That is the rule not the exception. You should know that. Where google maps is in that search list ... even for this one example I don't have the patience to look.

                The Gaumenkitzel search is a realively easy search to find the website. Often it is on page two, three or further down.

                Then there are joints without websites

                So the process becomes

                1. Search for a web site

                2. Look page after page

                3. Strike out

                I know I'm not that devoted to do that. That took way too long to do that for the Chow restaurant database.

                From years of experience in searching, most restaurants will appear first in yelp in a google list. That is where most people will go for the info. Give yelp the credit for that info, IMO.

                Melanie, you know this was a major hit in terms of Chowhound. I'm trying to adjust as best as possilbe to the circumstances. You know in an email to you and others I agreed with others that no one wanted to do anything that would harm Chowhound. To call linking to yelp vindictive is an unfair and unwarrented judgement.

                1. re: rworange

                  for italy, the google place page is the most reliable source. search the restaurant name with the city name (in italian, not english) and youve got it. yelp is irrelevant there.

                  Personally I think its a sad day when chowhounds have to link to yelp to provide essential info. Its not something I would ever do. I think TPTB need to develop a new support resource for these Boards asap since the capacity to aggregate reviews,maps and address info at onepoint is being dumped.. We will sink into irrelevance otherwise.

                  1. re: jen kalb

                    >>> the google place page is the most reliable source. search the restaurant name with the city name (in italian, not english) and youve got it. yelp is irrelevant there

                    Your input of restaurant data was last year so the information about yelp in terms of Italy is no longer true.

                    I don't need to know the italian name for the city for yelp.

                    i've been reading the reviews for France and they are wonderful. Once out of the metro US, the frat boy mentality is gone. Someone who is posting abroad isn't the trendy, twitchy, twenty-something. They are serious travelers who want a better place than trip advisor or lonely planet.

                    yelp thought this out well. in the upper left of the page, you can select your language. so that opens up the reviews to locals at each country. you can search on city name either in English or the language of the country.

                    Chowhound may have better info, but abroad it relies on a handful of posters and there are only so many places a handful of people can eat.

                    i would find no use for trip advisor or lonley planet anymore. the first place i will check is yelp when traveling out of the us. if I find some places i liked, i might ask the resident experts on Chowhound what they think.

                    yelp saw the value to going international and providing users with the information they needed.

                    sadly, chowhound had this information and ability to go international for years and didn't see the opportunity in terms of boosting site traffic or possible other revenue generating bonuses such as smart phone apps or even etravel books.

                    All that being said, there is still an incorrect perception about yelp, as you have.

                    just like people were dying to find a better site that lonely planet and tripadvisor so they leaped on board at yelp ... most people are dying to find a site better than yelp. If Chowhound offered the same functionality AND has the still clinging to the site, informed posters ... people would leave yelp like rats on a sinking ship ... make that captains on Italian cruise ships.

                    up until a few years ago, google a restaurant and Chowhound was at the top of the search list. Now it is almost always yelp and chowhound is often on page two (I have 100 results per page in google search) and often further back than that.

                    when i heard the data base decision, my first reaction was stunned disbelief, followed by anger and letting steam off where i changed my mind a number of times about what could be done and how and if I would further participate in this site.

                    i worked on and offline to see if there could be a change. i'm just at the acceptance state. chow just doesn't understand the value of information. The concern is instant clicks and how moderated the site should be. so it seems that the direction of this site is talk rather than content. that hardly sounds vindictive.

                    i can't waste my time here anymore in terms of asking for chow to consider the value of the content to this site. but in order not to undermine ihe site further, imo, it would be best to allow users to provide restaurant information as easily as possible to posters. at the current time, that is a link to yelp.

                    1. re: rworange

                      Maybe CBS plans to buy Yelp's entire IPO and combine the sites.

                      1. re: rworange

                        you have to go into yelp and do a search to access this information. if you are not a yelp user and familiar with the features it can be awkward. I know because I just tried it. Yelp NEVER comes up on Italy searches. Maybe that will change as they build out globally. I find all the search options and screens just as annoying as I found them on the CHOW restaurant pages, I mean, who is looking for afghan restaurants in Sicily. If all you are looking for is the basic info on a restaurant to link, the google place page is by far the easiest IMO. You use the local city name (only really an issue for the biggest cities that have "English" names because otherwise US tourist links come up first. Google intends itself to be a fully international resource and this is attractive to me.

                        Im going to back off discussing again because this is a pointless discussion for me. I am not interested in immersing myself in US based food related websites other than Chowhound at this time.

                        1. re: jen kalb

                          I'm not sure I see where people are disagreeing here. When providing a link, it seems everyone wants to link to the site with the most complete information, and is unlikely to lead to dead links in a year or so. Who cares if it's on yelp, google, a restaurant website, etc. if it's the best info?

                          1. re: hyperbowler

                            I completely agree. Im all for linking to whatever is useful under these unfortunate circumstances. Its really hard to bring myself to do it however.

                            1. re: jen kalb

                              +2

                              Whatever works for people works. i'm not the bad guy here. I didn't get rid of the database. i'm just providing information for posters and making the site a better place under the circumstances.

                              For me it is just easier. i have two windows open and it is almost as many keystrokes as the original linking on Chowhound to its database.

                  2. re: Melanie Wong

                    My plan (from this point forward) is AICBFoG (All Information Can Be Found on Google)

                    1. re: Servorg

                      kewl, where is it? and is it open on tuesday nites?

                      1. re: jen kalb

                        A slight variation. It's now D FoG (Data Found on Google). If you are lost in D FoG then you aren't searching correctly... ;-D>

                  3. One more thing to be careful about is giving neighborhood information in the subject line or the top body of a message. I used to get saved from reading South Bay threads by quickly looking at restaurant database links, but with external links, the user would need to write one or two words to fulfill the same purpose.

                    1. Having to go to Yelp to find out what city a place is in is obnoxious.

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                      1. re: Robert Lauriston

                        Robert,

                        For years I am one of the few people who put the city in the title. Like you and Melanie if a review wasn't linked to the restaurant, i made sure that information was there. And as has been said too many times, spent a lot of time searching and googling for over five years so that this site's restaurant database was the best on the web.

                        Chow made the decision that location was not an important element of the forums.

                        i am not going to do the work for Chow to cut and paste and make sure over and over ... and over ... that everytime there is a review i'm going to do that work when Chow deems it so unimportant.

                        This is lovely what you are doing

                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8355...

                        But my god, looking up the websites of eight restaurants, cutting and pasting that information ... i certainly won't and cant do that ... that was only one post and you are doing almost every time.

                        Then you mention in this post that you are going to yelp to find city information. if the websites are coming from there ... or any other data provider ... they should be credited as I mentioned a number of times.

                        IMO, better to work yourself up over making easily accessable address information a priority on this site

                        Otherwise, as Jim Leff has always said, chowhounds are a persistant bunch who will put the work into seeking out good chow ... even if they have to personally google to find that info.

                        Now instead spending time on this ... Chow trashed the database ... i'm not putting restaurant information in records ... lets get back to talking turkey ... or burgers. I have a fabulous tip that i would much rather spend my time on than this stuff.

                        1. re: rworange

                          I don't usually need to go past Google for information. I avoid Yelp because it's so often wrong, out of date, or lacks basic information such as hours.

                          If you can't get over CBS having made so many mistakes that they had to abandon the database (which was not very useful after they broke the links), you could find a more appropriate way to protest than leaving out essential information in order to promote Yelp.

                          1. re: Robert Lauriston

                            Again, please don't put this back on me. I did not make the decision.

                            It is your perception that I am promoting yelp. i am crediting a site that has the information. it makes it easy for me to access that information. i have two windows open and one simple query gives me the info i want.

                            This is not a matter of bad data. it is a matter of not wanting to extend a contract and live with the current situation until a replacement can be made.

                            It is not a technical issue but rather a contractual one.

                            Going back to the diseased garden analogy in the other thread.

                            You have this garden that has rare and precious orchids. To get into the garden you have to climb over a barbed wire fence and finding those orchids isn't easy with the rubbish that has been thrown over into the garden. The landlord wants you to continue to pay rent on a plot of land that they have sewn with weeds.

                            Instead of negotiating with the landlord to remove the orchids, you just leave the garden, let it get plowed under because you don't even know those orchids are there or the value of them.

                            1. re: Robert Lauriston

                              much of the information on Yelp, like the Chow DB, is user entered.

                              hours, especially in this economy and also with newer restaurants who are feeling things out, are a moving target.

                              i've found Chow's to be more out of date, but when i've made updates, i've updated both sites.

                              1. re: drewskiSF

                                I trust no data I see on the net. If I'm going I'm calling first to verify.

                                1. re: drewskiSF

                                  A lot had to do with most people not being aware of the database and yelp having the restaurant info front and center in addition to way more traffic. Places that have under a dozen reviews here, if any, can have hundreds on yelp.

                                  There were advantages of the chow database over yelp. More info could be stored there and if completely filled out it was a treasure house.

                                  It also had lots more flexibility ... you could not only note chinese food but the regional variation, for example.

                                  And ... my bete noir on yelp ... no place for facebook links. Lots of new places just have facebook pages and yelp doesn't allow that.

                                  I feel like i'm finally a member of the community at yelp ... i got my first note from the moderators ... rather Yelp HQ. Tried to store just the facebook page in the review section and they don't allow that. So i sent off an email suggestion a place for facebook. I'll find out if yelp listens. .

                                  Anyway, you could enter a lot more stuff without the restrictions of yelp ... especially the waiting for the moderators to approve updates. That's just annoying.

                            2. re: Robert Lauriston

                              Hi rworange,

                              First, I've really enjoyed your posts over the years -- you have obviously contributed a lot to the CH community.

                              You originated posts recently about Boniere Bakery and Flipside. The descriptions of the food were terrific, but there was no mention of the restaurants' locations. I don't even mean an address, just the city, which doesn't require linking or cutting/ pasting. It sure doesn't feel as much like sharing if you're not even going to name the city (or county) where a restaurant is located.

                              I realize that you can choose to post on CH or not, and that I can choose follow your links or not. I sincerely hope the you continue posting on CH.

                              Just FYI when I'm not working, I do most of my browsing on a mobile device. Like most people, the prospect of leaving CH to go to Yelp is pretty unattractive.

                              1. re: TerriL

                                There are links to the address information at the bottom of each review i post that will provide that information. they are clearly marked 'address and website (if one).

                                All I can say is if easy access to an address is important to people on this site, let Chow know that that the prospect of going to yelp or whatever source is unattractive.

                                IMO, location is critical to restaurant reviews. Even if I had put the city in the title, if anyone wants to go there they would have to google that info and that still would lead to yelp first.

                                1. re: rworange

                                  My point is only that it is obviously helpful and necessary to mention the city at some point in your post. I actually don't care about the address. IMO this level of detail is not actually a site issue.

                                  It makes a big difference to know whether someone is posting about a restaurant in San Pablo, Oakland, San Francisco, or San Rafael. I can't (or won't) click on a link to Yelp to solve the mystery.

                                  1. re: TerriL

                                    I know that, but to me it ties into the importance having readily available adress information.

                                    Over the years i'm one of the few posters that put the city in the title. i thought leading y example would convince others to do so. it did not.

                                    So get used to that a lot in the future not only from me but from a good portion of posters who don't put address info anywhere

                                    1. re: rworange

                                      We wanted to make a reminder that any poster can "report" a post without city information in the title and let us know what should be there, and we'll add it in. We appreciate everyone's help in making Chowhound a useful resource, in whatever capacity they choose to contribute.

                                  2. re: rworange

                                    "There are links to the address information at the bottom of each review i post that will provide that information."

                                    Sending people to Yelp to find a restaurant's Web site is not very helpful.

                                    Who do you think you're punishing by acting out this way? CBS Interactive cares as much as honey badger.

                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                      "Sending people to Yelp to find a restaurant's Web site is not very helpful."

                                      I say it absolutely is helpful. I simply plan on saying "Data Found on Google" for those who want address or website information.

                                      1. re: Servorg

                                        Ok, but do you also plan on *deliberately* omitting any mention of a restaurant's geographical location? One of the rworange's posts I referenced earlier described Boniere Bakery as being across the street from Boot and Shoe. If I'm not familiar with either establishment, do I really need to follow a Yelp link to discover that they are in Oakland?

                                        1. re: TerriL

                                          I reallyt don't mind looking at "blind location" posts on the LA board, even if they are ending up recommending places down in Orange County, or up in Ventura, as I don't know when I might be in that area. It's never a bad thing to keep ones options open for future travel to locations other than in our normal orbits.

                                          1. re: rworange

                                            I truly dont understand why you wouldnt put the location in the title if its helpful on a search. We all need to do that to facilitate the best possible search results,

                                            1. re: Servorg

                                              Folks,

                                              We've had to remove a number of increasingly heated posts from this thread. It's of course OK to disagree with one another, but please keep the focus on the topic at hand and not on other hounds.