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KosherChef Feb 21, 2012 09:11 AM

Got this in my e-mail:

Manna Catering will host its third pop-up this Thursday at the Foundry in Long Island City under the supervision of Chai Kosher. The menu boasts an array of contemporary Israeli food paired with Israeli wines. For more information visit http://mannacatering.com/

BESIDES ANY HASHGACHA COMMENTS...anyone interested? The website has pictures and info from a previous event.

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    DeisCane Feb 21, 2012 09:52 AM

    Has anyone ever gone?

    More info from their website:

    Third Pop-Up Restaurant
    Thursday February 23, 2012 7PM

    We are delighted to present our third Pop-Up Restaurant at The Foundry in Long Island City

    For a taste of the first pop-up click HERE
    An Evening of Contemporary Israeli Food

    Amuse Bouche
    ~
    Seven Mezze Salads
    ~
    Sudanese Ful
    ~
    Shakshuka with Zaatar
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    Roasted Lamb with Rosemary, Garlic, and Pomegranate Mujadarra
    or
    Grilled Cod with Saffron and Preserved Lemon Toasted Israeli Couscous
    ~
    Kataifi with Pistachios and Rosewater Marinated Figs, and Silan

    $100 per person exclusive of tax and tip

    For Reservations: manna @ mannacatering.com

    1. queenscook Feb 21, 2012 10:02 AM

      Not a hashgacha comment, but a question. Where is the Chai-Kosher based? Is it a NYC agency; I don't think I've ever heard of them here.

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        DeisCane Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM

        South Florida

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          KosherChef Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM

          does anyone think it would be interesting to go to a pop-up kosher restaurant? It would be possible to "pop-up" kosher in so many interesting restaurants and places that we dont usually get to experience. Obviously this is not on the level of a chef ludo type situation, but I think it would be interesting to try...

          as far as the kosher cert, even though I tried to keep it out, I am surprised that the hashgacha is based out of fla. Never heard of them. not so comforting when the hashgacha is 1000 miles away...

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            avitrek Feb 21, 2012 12:37 PM

            The hashgacha seems to be the regular certification of the caterer and also a couple locations in Brooklyn. I don't know how/why they certify these NY places, but given their relationship, certifying this pop-up restaurant makes sense. As always, if you have a question about a hashgacha your best bet is to ask your rabbi.

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        AdinaA Feb 21, 2012 03:58 PM

        I have to be elsewhere that night. Drat.

        I hope they do it again because I'd love to be able to go.

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          AdinaA Feb 26, 2012 07:45 PM

          Did anyone go?

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            mamaleh Feb 26, 2012 09:24 PM

            This is a really interesting idea. How does it work? Do they kasher the kitchen on site or do they have kitchens "on wheels?" Are these events well attended? Do they bring their own serving staff or do they use the staff at the venue?

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              avitrek Feb 27, 2012 06:42 AM

              It's being run by a caterer, I imagine they're used to serving people at an off-site location...

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                AdinaA Feb 27, 2012 09:26 AM

                I'm pretty sure that I've been invited to a simcha ( or maybe it was a fundraiser) at this venue. That would make sense. I mean, if a caterer was kashering a kitchen for a an event, and booked the space the evening before or after to run a pop-up.

                I hope more caterers try this model.

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                  bagelman01 Feb 27, 2012 09:33 AM

                  Adina,
                  While the idea might be interesting for caterers to make extended use of a kitchen they kashered for an affair, the patron of the affair who pays for the kashering would be greatly wronged it the caterer made additional use of the kitchen kashered on the patron's dime. In actuality it is stealing from the patron.

                  Yes, I am an attorney, but I was a kosher caterer many years ago. If we were doing two affairs in one day or weekend at a non-kosher venue, we would ask the patrons if they would be willing to split the cost of kashering the kitchen, we didn't get to pocket a second fee for work done once.

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                    zsero Feb 27, 2012 10:25 AM

                    Rubbish. The patron has paid for kashering the kitchen. It is now kosher. What difference does it make to the patron when it goes back to treif? In your legal practice, if a client pays for you to travel to some city for a case, and you take the opportunity to explore that city or even to drum up some business while you're there, is that stealing? Are you somehow obligated to refund part of your air fare? That's ridiculous.

                    Charging a second kashering fee from a second client is a different matter. That would be like traveling to visit two clients and charging each of them your full travel expenses, which would be dishonest unless it was disclosed to both of them and they agreed. But that's not what we're talking about here. No second kashering fee is being charged by anyone; instead, you are making use of the already-kosher kitchen, just as you would be making use of the fact that you are in another city.

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                      bagelman01 Feb 27, 2012 12:27 PM

                      No,
                      The patron has paid for the kashering of the kitchen for a specific one time use. In fact I remember when our supervising Vaad would make us lasher on sucessive days at an off-site location because they could not guaranty what might go on when the foirst affair was over. It's not like when the mashgiach holds the keys for the caterer's home base kitchen. The off-site venue is not going to turn over the only keys to the caterer's mashgiach.

                      >>>>>
                      It does make a huge difference to the patron who paid for the kashering if the caterer gets to profit from an additional event. This is the legal principle of unjust enrichment. The caterer is not entitled to extra profit because of my expenses for my affair. For example, the caterer cannot cook extra food in this kitchen kashered for my affair to take to a second affair. The caterer is only entitled to the profit on my affair from the kitchen I paid to kashert.

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                        zsero Feb 27, 2012 05:43 PM

                        You are utterly wrong. There is no unjust enrichment here. The patron who paid for the kashering has got the benefit he paid for. It is NONE OF HIS BUSINESS what else you do with the kitchen. Any "unjust enrichment" claim he would bring, to either a court or a beis din, would be laughed out and he would be hit with sanctions for making such a frivolous motion. It is not the client's kitchen, and he is not entitled to any share of the caterer's profit; the caterer is neither his employee nor his agent, and he has no proprietary interest in the kitchen just because he paid to kasher it.

                        Of course it might be in the caterer's interest to offer the client a discount on the kashering fee, in order to secure his future business, but that's entirely a business decision, not an ethical let alone a legal one.

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                          bagelman01 Feb 28, 2012 04:41 AM

                          We certainly disagree, and I can see jurisdictions where this would't be considered a frivolous motion.

                          My legal observations have absolutely nothing to do with a bet din. I am an attorney, not a expert in canon law.

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                            zsero Feb 28, 2012 02:50 PM

                            Name a jurisdiction in any common-law country in which such an action wouldn't be laughed out of court.

                            As far as beis din is concerned, there is actually a principle in halacha that if you get a windfall as a result of someone else's expense you ought to kick them back a percentage. It falls not under strict justice but under the commandment to "do that which is right and proper" (ועשית הישר והטוב). So for instance if you traveled somewhere on your employer's behalf, and while there you did some business on your own account and made a profit, you should kick him back something. But this is a very different concept from what you're talking about.

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                      AdinaA Feb 27, 2012 10:39 AM

                      Maybe they did. I was just guessing.

                      Bagelman, I would be interested in your opinion, since you are far more likely to know than I am, of whether it can be economic to kasher a kitchen on a Thursday night in a catering venue in Queens for a one-night pop-up restaurant? Or does the caterer do it for the publicity?

                      Most of the non-kosher pop-ups that I hear about last for a stipulated number of weeks. Not just one night.

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                        bagelman01 Feb 27, 2012 12:33 PM

                        Can it be economic to kasher a kitchen for a one noght pop up in Queens?
                        The answer is maybe. We don't know the costs the caterer will incur. If Kashering costs the equivalent of $5 pp and the food and labor cost is $50pp and the caterer charges $100pp it could make economic sense.
                        The marketing value is a differnt calculation. This is like having a large paid for tasting event that may generate lots of business. It also exposes to the public that this caterer can work well at off-site locations. In fact the venue might even be forgiving the rental in order to stimulate kosher affair business. Jews get married on Sundays, Most Catholics don't, so if I own the hall and have an opportunity to book 30 kosher Sunday affairs per year, I might gamble on letting a kosher caterer showcase my venue without a rental charge.

                        As far as most kosher popups lasting weeks, not one night.....not just kosher, but popups in general, BUT that is because the operator is generally equipping and fitting out a space, not just kashering an existing caterering hall that has a commercail kitchen, tables, chairs, decor, etc.

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                zsero Feb 27, 2012 10:41 AM

                Speaking of pop-ups, there's a pop-up restaurant/speakeasy/music club in the Ditmas Park area of Brooklyn, called the Hester. Good food, good music, http://www.thehester.com

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                  DeisCane Mar 22, 2012 11:28 AM

                  Jewish Week article: http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new...

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                    AdinaA Mar 25, 2012 10:45 AM

                    Well, the article DeisCane posted explains it. The one in Queens is run by Manna Catering which appears to be located near the catering hall where they do the pop-up. They break even on the pop-up nights, but it's great public relations with the kosher foodie community. They're doing an Italian-themed pop-up on april 26th.

                2. kosherfoodies May 16, 2012 09:54 AM

                  I went in April . The menu was spring-Italian (dairy) and it was amazing!!! From the impeccable service to the delicious food, it was nothing I've ever experienced at a kosher restaurant. It's not a cheap meal, but you won't leave hungry, and wine is included. I dream about the he truffled gnudi.

                  1. gotcholent Oct 14, 2012 07:56 AM

                    Looks like they are at it again....this time with a play on Haute Food Truck cuisine. I totally dig what these guys are doing!!!! http://kosherlikeme.com/sidedishes/ha...

                    Attn Mods, I am a kosher chef and caterer but have absolutely no connection to this event or the Manna Catering team aside from being a big fan! Let's get some food reviews please to satisfy the rest of us that can't possible make this event this week.

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                      AdinaA Oct 14, 2012 09:30 AM

                      I just hope they keep it up until they schedule a date when I can attend.

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                        gotcholent Oct 14, 2012 10:30 AM

                        i second that emotion....chowhound table anyone?

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                          queenscook Oct 14, 2012 10:37 AM

                          Unfortunately, my Rav nixes that hechsher. But what about another gotcholent pop-up? I missed the last one, since I was in Israel at the time. (No lack of great food there, but I really want to try some BBQ!)

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                            gotcholent Oct 14, 2012 10:50 AM

                            shhhhhh!!!!! you are going to get us both kicked off of CH with that kind of talk. I have worked with Rav Finman's daughter before who as a registered mashgicah for the OU as well as his and other Vaads, not to mention a teacher of advanced Talmud studies at Dreisha is a rockstar in my book. I can only say that from what I hear, things in their kitchen are beyond Yashar...and if that apple is anywhere near his tree, I'd eat there in a ny sec. With that said, CH is not a place to discuss varying supervisions your highness. I do love that these guys have been able to continuously switch it up with their 6 pop-ups to date. Adina I don't imagine you'll need to worry. Email them to get on their notification listing just in case. It is inspiring to see this kind of innovation alive and kicking locally in the kosher scene! Ashreinu

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                              AdinaA Oct 14, 2012 11:22 AM

                              I'm on their mailing list, it's just that every time they announce one of these, I have a conflicting commitment.

                              I'm watching for the next announcement,hoping its a night that I'm free, and I think a chow table would be great.

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                                gotcholent Oct 14, 2012 11:58 AM

                                I am knee deep in wedding season for the next 2 months...but after that I'd totally be on board for the next one!!! I've worked at the Foundry before, it is a perfect place for this kind of event.

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                                queenscook Oct 14, 2012 11:47 AM

                                Well, I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. What can I say; I wish I could go; it sounds interesting. Maybe something has changed; I could ask again.

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                                  shoelace Oct 14, 2012 12:03 PM

                                  also, ahem that their pop-up is on this side of the bridge- noteworthy!

                                  be that as it may, im looking at it on my phone and may be missing something, but is there a menu/prices posted anywhere?

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                                    gotcholent Oct 14, 2012 12:48 PM

                                    I got this from KOSHERLIKEME.com I believe that as in their past pop-ups the price is around $125pp all inclusive with tips tax and booze included.

                                    Disclaimer for the MODS: I am a kosher chef and caterer and have absolutely no relation to either the website listed above or the caterers running these pop-ups...

                                    "Are you hankering to taste dishes that temp you from food trucks you pass each day? Dan and Yair Lenchner are hosting another pop-up kosher event at The Foundry in Long Island City on October 17. They’ll be cooking up selection of haute street food in their kosher catering kitchen with the likes of Israeli Sebich, Indian Meen Mapas, Tunisian potato brik, Mexican fish tacos, Jamaican jerked sea bass and more. Wine, global beer and cocktail selection included. For reservations and more info contact manna@mannacatering.com"

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                                      DeisCane Oct 14, 2012 01:22 PM

                                      Drat! I'm not in town!

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                                        shoelace Oct 14, 2012 01:25 PM

                                        exclusive of tax and tip according to the email response i just got

                                        now to try to find someone who isnt working wed night

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                                          shoelace Oct 14, 2012 01:31 PM

                                          October 17

                                          The Foundry in Long Island City

                                          Haute Truck Food

                                          Israeli Sebich

                                          Laffa, Eggplant, Egg, Amba

                                          Indian Meen Mappas

                                          Cod, Curry Leaves, Coconut Rice

                                          Tunisian Potato Brik

                                          Harrisa, Charmoula

                                          Mexican Fish Tacos

                                          Chipotle, Tomatillo, Jicama

                                          Korean Kalbi

                                          Short Ribs ‘Confit’, Kimchee, Pa Jaen

                                          Or

                                          Jamaican Jerked Sea Bass

                                          Callaloo, Ackee

                                          Belgian Waffles

                                          Chocolate, Fresh and Preserved Fruit

                                          Selection of Global Beer and Cocktails

                                          Red and white wine

                                          $100 per person, including wine and beer, exclusive of tax and tip

                                          For Reservations: manna@mannacatering.com

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