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Ciao Bella ice cream/yogurt/sorbet moving to OU

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I heard yesterday that starting with the new greek frozen yogurt and then all flavors, Ciao Bella is moving its certification from Star-D to OU. No clue what this means, if anything, frankly, but my contact there was excited to share the news.

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  1. I say boo. according to the ou website some of the sorbets that were pareve are now dairy

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    1. re: koshergourmetmart

      They may just be dairy equipment; while the OU doesn't use this designation on the label, they will tell you whether there is real dairy in it or not. If not, it's not really an issue, since you'll rarely be eating it actually WITH meat.

      1. re: queenscook

        I figured that would be one impact of the change, but like Haagen Dazs sorbet, it's fine after meat.

      2. re: koshergourmetmart

        I HATE it when that happens. I won't eat it even if it's just dairy equipment, so that makes me mad.

        1. re: maga

          Should I send this feedback to my contact there? It might be too late but...

          1. re: maga

            May I ask . . .is this because of chalav Yisrael concerns or allergies or something else?

            1. re: queenscook

              Yes, I wonder, too. I doubt that Ciao Bella is changing their ingredients or manufacturing practices just because they're changing hechshers - what do you think the difference will be between the current Star-K version and the OU one?

              1. re: GilaB

                I assume they were advised by someone that the OU is biggest and best, and do not realize that the kosher consumers were coming to them for sorbet labeled parev, and will be gone.

              2. re: queenscook

                It's because of chalav Yisrael concerns. The OU doesn't actually use a DE designation... but it doesn't matter to me, because unless it's marked pareve, I won't eat it.

            2. re: koshergourmetmart

              Were they labeled Dairy Equipment before? Or is the OU calling something dairy that the Star-K was calling parve and not even dairy equipment?

              1. re: avitrek

                I've only ever seen them labeled as Star-K Pareve, not Dairy Equipment.

                1. re: GilaB

                  I don't think the Star-K uses a dairy equipment designation. In fact, they don't even use the Star-K," per se, for their dairy products; they use the Star-D.

                  1. re: queenscook

                    First a disclaimer, that I work as a Chef under the supervision of the STAR-K...
                    Both the STAR-K and the STAR-D are under the auspices of the Vaad of Baltimore. The difference lies in the fact that the STAR-K requires only Chalav Yisroel, while the STAR-D designation does not. Furthermore, the STAR-D is only granted to production line items and not restaurants or caterers (such as myself) Hope that helps.

                    1. re: gotcholent

                      Actually the Star-D is not under the auspices of the Star-K; it's officially a completely separate hechsher, that of the Young Israel movement, but instead of setting up its own infrastructure the YI hires the Star-K to administer its hechsher on its behalf. In practise it is as gotcholent says; Star-K won't give a hechsher to non-chalav-yisrael, but Star-D will, and since they're run by the same people they just give you that instead.

              2. re: koshergourmetmart

                I just looked at the Star-K list (www.star-k.org) and the OU list (www.oukosher.org) and sorbets are all still pareve. What sorbet did you see that was pareve is now listed OU-D?