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Ciao Bella ice cream/yogurt/sorbet moving to OU

DeisCane Feb 20, 2012 07:56 AM

I heard yesterday that starting with the new greek frozen yogurt and then all flavors, Ciao Bella is moving its certification from Star-D to OU. No clue what this means, if anything, frankly, but my contact there was excited to share the news.

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    koshergourmetmart Feb 23, 2012 04:42 PM

    I say boo. according to the ou website some of the sorbets that were pareve are now dairy

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    1. re: koshergourmetmart
      queenscook Feb 23, 2012 05:07 PM

      They may just be dairy equipment; while the OU doesn't use this designation on the label, they will tell you whether there is real dairy in it or not. If not, it's not really an issue, since you'll rarely be eating it actually WITH meat.

      1. re: queenscook
        DeisCane Feb 23, 2012 06:16 PM

        I figured that would be one impact of the change, but like Haagen Dazs sorbet, it's fine after meat.

      2. re: koshergourmetmart
        maga Feb 24, 2012 09:33 AM

        I HATE it when that happens. I won't eat it even if it's just dairy equipment, so that makes me mad.

        1. re: maga
          DeisCane Feb 24, 2012 09:44 AM

          Should I send this feedback to my contact there? It might be too late but...

          1. re: maga
            queenscook Feb 24, 2012 01:22 PM

            May I ask . . .is this because of chalav Yisrael concerns or allergies or something else?

            1. re: queenscook
              GilaB Feb 25, 2012 04:05 PM

              Yes, I wonder, too. I doubt that Ciao Bella is changing their ingredients or manufacturing practices just because they're changing hechshers - what do you think the difference will be between the current Star-K version and the OU one?

              1. re: GilaB
                EvanM Feb 26, 2012 08:44 AM

                I assume they were advised by someone that the OU is biggest and best, and do not realize that the kosher consumers were coming to them for sorbet labeled parev, and will be gone.

              2. re: queenscook
                maga Feb 27, 2012 09:27 AM

                It's because of chalav Yisrael concerns. The OU doesn't actually use a DE designation... but it doesn't matter to me, because unless it's marked pareve, I won't eat it.

            2. re: koshergourmetmart
              avitrek Feb 26, 2012 08:59 AM

              Were they labeled Dairy Equipment before? Or is the OU calling something dairy that the Star-K was calling parve and not even dairy equipment?

              1. re: avitrek
                GilaB Feb 26, 2012 11:48 AM

                I've only ever seen them labeled as Star-K Pareve, not Dairy Equipment.

                1. re: GilaB
                  queenscook Feb 26, 2012 12:01 PM

                  I don't think the Star-K uses a dairy equipment designation. In fact, they don't even use the Star-K," per se, for their dairy products; they use the Star-D.

                  1. re: queenscook
                    gotcholent Feb 26, 2012 08:09 PM

                    First a disclaimer, that I work as a Chef under the supervision of the STAR-K...
                    Both the STAR-K and the STAR-D are under the auspices of the Vaad of Baltimore. The difference lies in the fact that the STAR-K requires only Chalav Yisroel, while the STAR-D designation does not. Furthermore, the STAR-D is only granted to production line items and not restaurants or caterers (such as myself) Hope that helps.

                    1. re: gotcholent
                      zsero Feb 26, 2012 09:46 PM

                      Actually the Star-D is not under the auspices of the Star-K; it's officially a completely separate hechsher, that of the Young Israel movement, but instead of setting up its own infrastructure the YI hires the Star-K to administer its hechsher on its behalf. In practise it is as gotcholent says; Star-K won't give a hechsher to non-chalav-yisrael, but Star-D will, and since they're run by the same people they just give you that instead.

              2. re: koshergourmetmart
                Mashgiach Feb 26, 2012 02:17 PM

                I just looked at the Star-K list (www.star-k.org) and the OU list (www.oukosher.org) and sorbets are all still pareve. What sorbet did you see that was pareve is now listed OU-D?

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