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Folia Grill: pork gyros is not your typical gyros...its ridiculously amazing

I dropped by Folia today for a quick lunch. I ordered my usual order - chicken gyros - and asked them how their pork gyros was selling.
They said they just added it to the menu a month ago, and so far, so go.
They offered me some of the meat to try, and I'm not one to say no to good food.

I typically wouldn't choose pork if i were getting souvlaki/gyros/grill. I tend to like what chicken and lamb do on a grill and how they marinade. So i wasn't sure what to expect from the pork gyros.

They presented me with 6 healthy nuggets of freshly-sliced pork gyros meat. The outside has a beautiful crisp char from the spices/marinade and from being in the rotisserie. i put the first bit of meat in my mouth and it was a ridiculous flavour explosion.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that it was the one of the most memorable pork dish I've tried (the others, as a quick reference, would be Chez L'ami Jean in Paris and, for local comparisons, Foxley's and Buster Rhino's ribs).

Since it opened, I've been saying that Folia Grill's one of the only worthwhile Greek-style restaurants in the Danforth. Admittedly, its based on the chicken gyros that they do to perfection (and for a great value). I may have to switch my eating allegiance to the swine side after having that sample.

If they pack the pork gyros up like they do with the chicken gyros (fries, onion, tomatoes, home-made tsatsiki wrapped in a slightly seared pita), then man, this could be dangerous. they're within walking distance, or soon-to-be rolling distance.

Price: gyros and a juice plus taxes = $10. And I am stuffed.

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  1. Thanks for the report, been wanting to try them out to, I'm impressed that they seem to have managed to go through the change of ownership without losing what made the place good.

    1. keep telling everyone we know to go here - we've been frequenting since they opened and they are the only Greek place we'll eat at...food is simple but expertly prepared, it's the Greek burger's priest, simple but done to perfection. wish toronto had more places like this.

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      1. re: pippineast

        owner said that since the Toronto Life review, business has doubled, which is excellent for them.

        food is simple, its fresh, its seasoned perfectly and its priced right.

        1. re: pippineast

          I totally agree, Folia Grill is the Greek Burger's Priest.

          Is Burger's Priest the only Continental place you'll eat at?

          Xaxaxa! ;-)

        2. I've been meaning to post about these. I went in specifically to try the pork gyro when I heard they were adding it to the menu. I wouldn't have believed that I would be so easily swayed from ordering the chicken gyro (which I love). The pork gyro is freaking amazing! The seasoning is perfect and an absolute flavour explosion. And yes, it is loaded up the same way the chicken one is.

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          1. re: cheesymama

            its funny...
            try telling someone who loves good about a ____ gyro you had. their eyes glaze over.
            these aren't your typical street meat fast food gyros.

            the gyros at Folia and the special tibs at Dukem are two of the tastiest foods you'll find in the east end. flavour-wise, i'd choose them over BP any day (personal preference, but hey). the seasoning is perfect, the meat is good quality meat and its cooked to perfection.

            I'd add these to any "Toronto Must Have Foods" list.

            1. re: atomeyes

              The pork gyro at Folia is probably the greatest food bargain in the city. Crispy, juicy, lemony heaven.

              I had one 30 minutes ago and could not eat so much as an after dinner mint right now without grievous results.

              It must have weighed about a pound and a half.

              My only complaint is a bit too much tzatziki, best intentions but it is hard to look dignified when tzatziki is dripping off one's elbows.

              The owner is friendly and appears to be genuinely committed to growing the business with good food and good value.

              Note: The hours posted on the web site are incorrect. Folia opens at 11:30 M-F and 12:00 on Saturdays.

              1. re: sumdumgoy

                Re: the mint.

                "It's only wafer thin."

                John Cleese

                1. re: Davwud

                  That is indeed the mint to which I was referring!

          2. Having recently become regulars at Folia Grill (thanks CH!), I was eager to try the pork gyros as the newest addition to their menu. Like everything we've tried, they are incredibly tasty, fresh and generously served. The seasoning is quite different from the chicken gyros, but they are equally moist with delicious crispy bits and a tiny bit of fat here and there to round out the experience. Yesterday our meal consisted of 1 pork gyros pita, 1 pork gyros plate with salad and 3 drinks. The total, including tax, was $21.70. This was easily enough food for 3. All this with pleasant, clean surroundings, friendly service and attention to detail, including real cutlery and amazing, imported Greek feta on the village salad that you not will likely find elsewhere in the city...even the pita and the tzatziki are so much better than average.

            Tremendous taste and value. Beats the Danforth for grilled meats and salads any day.

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            Folia Grill
            1031 Pape Ave, Toronto, ON M4K 3V9, CA

             
             
            1. Comes as no surprise. They do some damned fine things there.

              Is Steve still there?? I know he said he was there "For now" during the ownership change but it didn't sound like he was committed long term.

              DT

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              1. re: Davwud

                Yes, Steve is still there, I didn't ask about the longer term.

                1. re: sumdumgoy

                  It was a few months ago. He had no plans either way. Just a "We'll see."

                  DT

                  1. re: Davwud

                    I was there this afternoon and spoke with Ben, the new owner, and Steve. They both confirmed that Steve is there to stay. He said let everyone know he is not going anywhere.

                    I thanked Ben for only adding to the menu, and leaving my favourite items alone - namely the Zucchini fries and pork belly souvlaki.

                    We tried the pork gyros and while it was good, we still prefer the chicken gyros and pork souvlaki better.

                    Whatever you choose, those are some huge sandwiches filled with tasty meat!

                    My only complaint, which I keep forgetting to mention to them, is when getting take out, they put the napkins at the bottom of the bag... which get oozed on by those stuffed to the brim sandwiches... or is it there to protect the bag... hmmm?

              2. Ate lunch at Folia two weeks ago. It's the real deal. Ordered regular pork as is (with fries inside). Huge and tasty and moist delicious meat.

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                1. re: Food Tourist

                  was it your first time?

                  telling you, between the Priest, Dukem, Goody's, Zen and Folia, we have some nice East End finds.

                  1. re: atomeyes

                    Yes, another hound recommended it to me and actually suggested I get double pork but I found that single pork was plenty. I too love the Priest (hey, I'm Catholic) but haven't made it to the others you mentioned yet...I'm actually a West End Girl.

                2. I had the mixed pork and chicken sandwich about a month ago. Respects to the audacity with which he fills up this badboy, and the low price point going on. But I actually loved it that much more with the chicken pita from back in the day. It could be that I was starving at the time so right beforehand I had already gone through a fair portion of a jerk dinner and a stewed chicken dinner (try it!) from Caribbean Soul Food down the street so I didn't fully appreciate the porky delight. I'll be happy to try it out again though. Always good peoples working here.
                  below: old and new

                   
                   
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                  1. re: Chester Eleganté

                    Ok...I have to try this place...it's a 2 minute walk from my in-laws. My wife will be pleasantly surprised that I want to go down to her mom's!

                  2. Had some pork gyro at Folia the other day based on your reco. Astounded at the value for the money. Tender, delicious pork with a well "crispified" exterior. Would I go half way across the city for it? Almost did today! Only thing I found odd is that I told them I wanted everything in my gyro... And they put fries in it? Not sure if that's normal, but anywho - I didn't enjoy their inclusion. It also had a bit too much tzakiki for my liking - so next time, half tzakiki and hold the fries. A great gyro all around, though!

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                    1. re: justxpete

                      It's common to have a handful of fries wrapped into the gyro in a pita in Athens and other parts of Greece. In TO, both Messini & Folia wrap fries into their gyros unless you ask them to hold the fries. When Messini first opened, a lot of Greek Cdns liked Messini because they were the only Greek place on the Danforth stacking their meat on the spit rather than using pre-frozen, processed gyro meat, and they were the only restaurant automatically serving their gyros the "Greek" way, with fries wrapped into the pita.

                      Fries are also sometimes wrapped into falafel pitas and shawarma pitas. Not sure which places might include fries in their shawarmas or falafels in TO.

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                      Messini
                      445 Danforth Ave, Toronto, ON M4K1P1, CA

                      Folia Grill
                      1031 Pape Ave, Toronto, ON M4K 3V9, CA

                      1. re: prima

                        i was just about to mention that fries in pita is very Mediterranean. In Israel, the good places put "chip-pim" in your falafel/shwarma.

                        personally, i love that Folia puts them in. the fried starch completes it. i love the taste and the texture. if they asked me if i wanted fries, i'd think they're crazy for thinking i didn't want them.

                        1. re: atomeyes

                          I like having the fries wrapped in, too.

                      2. re: justxpete

                        Pete, you would order it just the way I do. I think the tzatziki is awesome there but I find they have too much of a heavy hand as well. I DO NOT like the fries on them at all.

                        And yes, as above have said, fries are a normal inclusion in some areas. FWIW, the Greek place (name escapes) beside Messini does the same.

                        DT

                        1. re: Davwud

                          Louis Meat Market (449 Danforth) is the name of the place near Messini, that also wraps fries into their pita sandwiches. For those who haven't visited, it's primarily a butcher shop that also offers take-out souvlaki & gyros. It's open fairly late, and usually gets the same type of crowd as Messini. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/483138

                          1. re: prima

                            I'm not a fan of Messini but I also love the gyros at Louis. I'm a Folia/Louis gal depending where I am in the 'hood.

                            1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                              Oddly enough I'm a Folia/Messini guy. Wasn't that impressed with Louis. Maybe it's because of the fries on the gyro. I really do not care for it.

                              DT

                              1. re: Davwud

                                I wasn't impressed by Louis either. I found it far too fatty and greasy.

                                1. re: OTFOODIE

                                  Yeah, they are pretty fatty/greasy, but at least they are seasoned!

                              2. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                I'm not a fan of the gyros at Messini, but I like their Greek fries.

                                1. re: prima

                                  I must admit that the last couple of times I was at Messini, I thought the quality had fallen off somewhat.

                                  1. re: OTFOODIE

                                    I've found Messini's gyros meat to be inconsistent over the last 5 years or so. Sometimes too salty, sometimes underseasoned and kind of blah, sometimes too greasy.

                                    1. re: prima

                                      The gyros at Messini have always been seriously under seasoned every time I tried (about 3-4 times I think?). In any case, I won't be back.

                              3. re: prima

                                Interesting to see the people who like / don 't like Louis or Messini. We like Messini, but didn't particularly like Louis. Maybe we'll try Folia sometime.

                          2. an interesting comparison for those west end food lovers.

                            i went to Porchetta and Co for a sammy. I love their pork sammies, especially with a hint of their truffle sauce, mustard and parm cheese.

                            I have to say, though, if you compared food to food, I'd give the edge to Folia. Its that good (although I do love the condiments and how they work with P&C's food).

                            when you take price into account, Folia's half the price of P&C. ah, to live in the east end...

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                            1. re: atomeyes

                              I've found that the value has been lost for me recently at Porchetta and Co. It's delicious but the meat to bun ratio is off-it really needs more meat for the price they are charging.

                                1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                  What's wrong with 24 bucks a pound for pork shoulder ; )

                                  1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                    I think you'd be more happy with Sausage Kings version for bang for the buck.

                                    DT

                                    1. re: Davwud

                                      They will happily put the half dozen fries on the side or leave them out altogether. Just ask.

                                      I get my gyro open faced, i.e. on a plate unrolled, and eat it with a knife and fork. That way I get a little pita, pork, veg. and tzatziki with every bite and a better chance of retaining my dignity by avoiding tzatziki on face, hands and lap because my next stop is inevitably the Danish bakery 4 doors south for the incredible almond pastry.

                                      1. re: sumdumgoy

                                        No, no, I know that. I've actually ordered the whole thing sub assembled and ate it almost Ethiopian style with the pita acting like the injera.

                                        DT

                                2. Damn, I tried Folia Grill for the first time and it was definitely worth the half hour it took to get there. I didn't try the pork; the chicken was the best I've had though....moist and perfectly spiced. I'm already thinking about going tomorrow :D Friendly service and very reasonable prices, too.

                                  1. I've been a Folia fan for a while. Ordered some takeout there a couple of weeks ago and the zucchini fries, peppers and tzatziki were as lovely as over. Service was friendly as well. BUT my pork souvlaki sticks were really fatty. I don't mind a bit of fat - but this was like half-fat and gristle. It was a bit gross. Has anyone else ever had this problem? Did I just get a bum batch?

                                    I've never tried their gyros sandwiches - those will be next on my list. If my reaction is even half as positive as my stuffed belly, googly eyed, drooly happy face reaction after lunch at Chez L'ami Jean, I'll be an uber happy camper...

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                                    1. re: peppermint pate

                                      It's pork belly souvlaki PP. As in the stuff you make bacon from.
                                      I have had this "Problem." It was delicious.

                                      DT

                                      1. re: Davwud

                                        Ha ha Davwud. I can't believe I haven't been yet. Must. Go. Soon.

                                        1. re: Yongeman

                                          Drop me a line and we'll hook up.

                                          DT

                                        2. re: Davwud

                                          Ha - my bad. I didn't know that. But still, they could render it and crisp it up a bit more for my taste. There's crispy melty fat and undercooked rubbery fat - this was definitely in the latter camp. I'm still a Folia fan, though, as this was a lone blip in 5 visits.

                                          1. re: peppermint pate

                                            I agree. I'm a big pork belly fan. But this is not the best way to cook it.

                                            1. re: haggisdragon

                                              You're right. In a cast iron skillet after it's been cured and smoked is. But I've had their PB souv. and loved it both times.

                                              DT

                                              1. re: Davwud

                                                I have also had it and found it to be just okay.

                                        3. re: peppermint pate

                                          i can't believe you seriously dropped a Chez L'ami Jean reference when talking about Folia.
                                          I like Folia a lot, but my first lunch experience at L'ami Jean was in my top 10 meals of all time.

                                          1. re: atomeyes

                                            Wait a sec - I didn't start the Chez L'ami Jean reference - you did (in your original post)! And by the by, it was one of my top 10 meals as well!!

                                            1. re: peppermint pate

                                              oh yeah. i said it.
                                              mmmm rice pudding....

                                              1. re: atomeyes

                                                I have always had a huge aversion to rice pudding - I hate just about everything about it - but THAT rice pudding was one of the best desserts I've ever eaten. I had to walk for 3 hours after that lunch...

                                          2. I really miss the biftekia pita the previous owners had on the menu. Does anyone know if the new owner has plans to bring it back?

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                                            1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                              I would simply ask.
                                              I tried it once and thought it was a bit salty and much overshadowed by the chicken gyro and more recently the pork.
                                              Restaurants are often fairly clever at figuring out what sells and what doesn't.
                                              I think they still had biftekia on the menu a week or so ago and I know they have all the other ingredients.

                                              1. re: sumdumgoy

                                                i had the bifteka once. didn't really dig it.
                                                i did like their grilled peppers, though. very nice.

                                                1. re: sumdumgoy

                                                  I wasn't aware of how clever restaurants were at figuring out what sells and what doesn't. Thanks for letting me know! I enjoy their grilled peppers but it's something we do quite well at home. I liked their biftekia because the meat was always moist and never overcooked, still nicely pink in the center, and to me it tasted great.

                                                    1. re: doubledown

                                                      If I remember correctly, they have 3 tables - two tables for 4 and another for 2.
                                                      I was there twice in the last 2 weeks but that's all that I remember as I always get take-out.

                                                      1. re: foodyDudey

                                                        I think they have 4 tables for two and 1 table for four... (up to eight if you take away two of the 2-tops)

                                                        1. re: justxpete

                                                          Put it this way: They don't have a lot a seating, which is a shame, because this is not a sandwich to eat while walking.

                                                          1. re: OTFOODIE

                                                            ...and those zucchini fries taste WAY better fresh out of the fryer than after a 10 minute car ride home. On the other hand, I've never seen more than 2 or 3 people eating there, no matter what time of day I've been, so unless you're a larger crowd, I don't imagine seating would be a problem.

                                                      2. re: doubledown

                                                        I would say it seats about 10 or 12.

                                                        Here is a picture. http://bit.ly/HzPUeu
                                                        My back is against the front glass.

                                                        DT

                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                          from your pic, they seem to have seating for 8, and that is consistent with what I remember. I guess someone will report on this shortly.

                                                          1. re: foodyDudey

                                                            There's at least 3 tables along the wall in the right of the picture.

                                                            DT

                                                  1. I finally went to Folia Grill this week. Not sure why it's taken me this long. I was going to try the pork belly souvlaki (next time, for sure) but decided to go for the pork gyros. Flavour, texture, value were all awesome! I loved the herb-flavoured pork with its nice mix of outside crispy bits and inside juicy ones. Yum! My son, on the other hand, who is not a pork fan, tried the chicken gyros and commented that it wasn't very flavourful. Oh well.

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                                                    1. re: Yongeman

                                                      The one time I went, I had both the pork and chicken and thought the chicken to be a bit better, but I didn't have tzatziki because I thought it would overpower the chicken, and 'cause I'm not a much of a tzatziki fan.

                                                      1. re: OTFOODIE

                                                        Seems to have generated a level of interest similar to Goody's.

                                                        I don't live in the area but do pass by reasonably closely and want to try the Chicken and Pork gyros --take out, I'm not a glutton yet.

                                                        Where does one park nearby?

                                                        1. re: Herne

                                                          I only saw street parking, and google maps shows nothing in the vicinity. A block and a half north on Gamble, just around the corner from Donlands Bakery, there is metered parking where I have always had success when running into the bakery.

                                                          1. re: OTFOODIE

                                                            Thanks OTFOODIE I'll look first on Gamble. After about 45 years of driving I still have an adversarial relationship with parallel parking.

                                                            1. re: Herne

                                                              If you are going today I think they are closed.

                                                              1. re: bigheid

                                                                Glad you mentioned it. I'll look into whether they are open or not before I go there. I usually go nearby Monday to Friday and I was thinking Tuesday might be the day to try it.

                                                                1. re: bigheid

                                                                  Your are correct sir. I'l try on Tuesday. Thanks.

                                                                2. re: Herne

                                                                  If I remember correctly, and - it's difficult to explain, but two of the three street spots right in front of the store do not require parallel parking, as there are only three spots immediately in front, and the spots on the ends are next to driveways - so if you're lucky, you might not have to park down the street after all!

                                                              2. re: Herne

                                                                1 street south, you can find street parking (usually).
                                                                be prepared to drive halfway down the street. ends up being a 2 minute walk. otherwise, you can park on Pape (metered) during non-rush hour times

                                                                1. re: atomeyes

                                                                  You can even park across the street, on the west side of Pape, during afternoon rush hour and there will hardly be any cars (so you can drive straight in and avoid your parallel parking phobia).

                                                                2. re: Herne

                                                                  Herne,

                                                                  I have almost always found parking right in front of Folia or just north of the driveway, and a few times we parked on Gowan, which is one street south. You can usually park on Gowan without having to use your parallel parking skills.

                                                                  1. re: foodyDudey

                                                                    Thanks for all the help and direction. No excuses if I don't get there next week.

                                                            2. went and checked out folia recently, thanks to this thread. i agree with the consensus -- pork gyros were fantastic, and a *very* generous portion of nicely done pork -- some char, some fat; went very well with the tzatziki, fries and i think a squeeze of lemon. if anything, there was too much pork -- next time i will bring a container to pack away the extras. super tasty and super cheap. good thing it's not super close, or that would indeed be bad news.

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                                                              1. re: autopi

                                                                Another good thing about Easter weekend, Folia will be open regular hours so only closed on Sunday.

                                                              2. Absolutely phenomenal!

                                                                I was a loyal consumer of Messini's but now it's Folia all the way for gyro satisfaction! Having eaten there several times now it is well worth the extra 10 minutes journey north on Pape.

                                                                I always have the pork whenever I am there - the owners use pork butt and the extra fat content renders beautifully throughout the spit and keeps every piece juicy and awesomely flavorful! The marinade and spices in the pork, topped with a fresh squeeze of lemon on top, results in an explosion in your mouth. It's THAT good! Try a piece without any of the equally delicious soft, fluffy, pita and garlic/tzatsiki sauce and you'll know what I mean!

                                                                Oh, and it's huge! You get a lot for $5.25. Phenomenal.

                                                                1. Always so good, and now open on Sundays!

                                                                  1. Finally got around to have the pork gyro - wow, amazing! Loved it. Huge amount of delicious pork. I figure we'll still have to go to Messini for the lamb gyro but for pork, we'll be heading to Folia.

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                                                                    1. re: SusanB

                                                                      i am a regular of folia. i usually go for the chicken gyro and get a skewer of pork on the side. that way i get to enjoy the pork straight up.

                                                                      as an aside, i was at alexandros on the danforth. they have an excellent pork gyro (tons of meat!). the pork and perfect. crispy exterior, moist interior. great flavours. great sammy. great value.

                                                                      1. re: KhaoSanRoad

                                                                        I'm also a fan of Folia.

                                                                        When I don't feel like trekking north on Pape, I've been happy with the pork souvlaki sticks at Megas and Zorba's, and the chicken souvlaki sticks at Asteria east of Pape.

                                                                    2. So happy to see this thread. We tried Messini once and honestly weren't impressed. Everytime we drive by and see the massive lineups we are in amazement!
                                                                      Think this may be dinner tonight!

                                                                      1. We tried them last night - pork and chicken souvlaki plus zucchini fries. All very very good. Would recommend that you not take the fries back home as they don't travel that well.

                                                                        Will try the gyros next time!

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                                                                        1. re: DUH CAR

                                                                          Really, no fries travel well. They need to be consumed fresh from the fryolator.

                                                                          DT

                                                                          1. re: Davwud

                                                                            LOL. Yeah, I know, I'm not knocking the restaurant. And especially with zucchini as it's like 95% water, but don't get the chance to have zucchini fries that often......

                                                                            1. re: DUH CAR

                                                                              Okay, I got you now. I took that more like "I didn't like it. I got take out. I drove 2 hours to my destination and my food was cold!!"
                                                                              LOL

                                                                              DT

                                                                              1. re: Davwud

                                                                                Finally gave these guys a try tonight. I got the pork gyro, village salad and zuchinni fries. Yes I was hungry, had to bring some of the salad and fries home.

                                                                                Prelim findings: Pretty good, meat had good seasoning and a little char. I like extra souvlaki so no complaints there. Zucchini sticks were good but i think I would have preferred the tzaziki as a dip over the folia sauce. Most impressed with the friendly service and the level of care put into the prep. Bright, vibrant tomatoes! Next time, I'll try the pork belly skewer.

                                                                        2. Went to Folia for lunch on the weekend, as good as ever but they have put their prices up a bit. Our standard order of 2 gyros and 2 softdrinks, instead of being under 16 bucks was just over 20.

                                                                          Still a good deal even at the new prices

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                                                                          1. re: bytepusher

                                                                            I was in tonight to pick up an order, 2 gyro dinners plus a side of zucchini came to just under $25. We were 3 adults and 2 children and we all left the table stuffed! Definitely still a deal. I also noticed that their gyro pita prices seemed to have stayed the same.
                                                                            I love this place, always a good meal to be had!

                                                                            1. re: bytepusher

                                                                              I think they mis-charged you or something? I was in yesterday, and for two drinks + two gyros was under $16.

                                                                              1. re: justxpete

                                                                                Guy I did not recognize working the cash so that's possible...

                                                                                1. re: bytepusher

                                                                                  I did not recognize them either. Coincidentally, my gyro was not as well seasoned as it usually is.

                                                                                  Ps, I also always get fries in my gyro now (despite my initial misgivings). Would not have it without!

                                                                                  1. re: justxpete

                                                                                    Yes, must ask for extra seasoning when the new guys are on.

                                                                            2. Went today, usual jolly chef fellow was not behind the helm, seemed like the boss, bald fellow, very nice, though not as skilled as the guy with the beard was manning the helm.

                                                                              I tried for the first time the chicken gyros and was pleasantly surprised to see dark meat! The only gripe I have was that he put in fries that had been sitting in the tray for the entire time, I even commented to ensure they weren't as I had suspected, but sadly my gut was right and they were cold 'mealy' fries....and I LOVE the fries in this wrap.

                                                                              Chicken was perfect though, decently seasoned but the extra lemon in their thaziki really makes it pop.

                                                                              At the end of the day though, you will be hard pressed to locate nearly, let alone equal recreations at $6 a pop.

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                                                                              1. re: Sadistick

                                                                                I love the place. Glad to hear it's still going strong.

                                                                                I hope this doesn't mean that Steve (the chef) has moved on though.

                                                                                DT

                                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                                  I do as well. Unfortunately, I think Steve has moved on. I haven't seen him there in over 3 months. Food is still good no big noticeable dips in quality yet.

                                                                                  1. re: deabot

                                                                                    I know when I talked to him when I was doing my blog fact gathering he said that he didn't know how long he would be sticking around but his plans were to move on.
                                                                                    After the sale by the founders he told me he was sticking around "for now" which he bascially told me was to ensure a smooth transition.
                                                                                    So he's probably gone.

                                                                                    DT

                                                                                    1. re: Davwud

                                                                                      I was told that the owner and him opened up/took over a bistro at Davisville and Yonge (I believe) called Kramer's. Haven't been yet.

                                                                                      1. re: justxpete

                                                                                        Interesting.
                                                                                        Kramers is a hang out for my cousin and his wife. Or, it at least used to be.

                                                                                        At one time that place was called The Barmaid's Arms. It was for all intents and purposes a remote office for the TTC. My dad worked at 1900 Yonge (TTC HO) and if the place was open, someone from the TTC was in there.

                                                                                        To the best of my knowledge, it's lost some of it's business to The Ploughman just south on Yonge.

                                                                                        DT

                                                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                                                          Ben bought Kramer's and Steve is working with him.

                                                                                          I haven't tried the food yet but am very optimistic. Previously the food was atrocious.

                                                                                          They are improving the decor of the place as time and money permit and there is a roof top bar which is quite attractive.

                                                                                          1. re: sumdumgoy

                                                                                            It wouldn't take too much to improve the food at Kramer's. Here's hoping...

                                                                                            1. re: sumdumgoy

                                                                                              Wow! This is great news for Kramer's. When I've gone there to play PubStumpers trivia in the past, I avoided the food, as per suggestions by teammates. I see a few items have migrated onto the menu from Folia (village salad, Greek fries with lemon dipping sauce, calamari). I'll have to give them a try next time I'm there.

                                                                                              1. re: 1sweetpea

                                                                                                Let's hope for everyone's sake that Steve's tzatziki recipe made it over there. Easily the best I've had.

                                                                                                DT

                                                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                  Has anyone been to Kramer's yet?

                                                                                                  1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                    tzatziki at Folia's changed.
                                                                                                    too heavy on the dill

                                                                                  2. I had the chicken and my husband had the pork souvlaki this afternoon.OMG was it delicious !!! We also had the zucchini fries,another winner.We each had a pop and it was under $20.
                                                                                    The chicken was so tasty and tender , mixed in with their yummy fries,this huge stuffed pita was so filling for under $6 and we are stuffed. I told the nice young men cooking that I would post something good on here.
                                                                                    Folia Grill

                                                                                    1. i went tonight.
                                                                                      found out that there are new owners.
                                                                                      chicken gyros were really dry and crispy.
                                                                                      zucchini fries were still excellent.

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                                                                                      1. re: atomeyes

                                                                                        New owners?? As in another (3rd) owners or are you just now realizing the original owners sold??

                                                                                        DT

                                                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                                                          Last time I was in the Pork Gyro was a little crispier than it has been (as if they turned up the tempurature on the rotisserie) and the spicing level was back up.

                                                                                          It's been a while since I've seen the 2nd owner in there and almost all of the staff are newish, except for the young Asian guy.

                                                                                          My guess is yes, it's been sold again.

                                                                                          1. re: Davwud

                                                                                            3rd.
                                                                                            1st was the young Greek couple who moved near Hamilton.
                                                                                            second owner was armenian, i believe. lived upstairs. dark hair, nice guy. bought Kramers on Yonge and Davisville a while back.
                                                                                            Now it is a husband and wife. also armenian, i believe. not that it matters. they look a bit older. husband is bald. just describing them in case you see them in the restaurant.

                                                                                            1. re: atomeyes

                                                                                              Any reason to believe this will affect quality??

                                                                                              DT

                                                                                              1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                yes, because i ate there last night and the quality was not good. already posted that.
                                                                                                may be one off and i'm not jumping to any conclusions, but just stating that my chicken was unsatisfying.

                                                                                                1. re: atomeyes

                                                                                                  Ya, I read that. I wasn't sure if it was portending imminent doom or you just merely making an observation.

                                                                                                  DT

                                                                                                  1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                    I was there on Thursday. While still good (and perhaps busier than ever?) , it's not the absolute perfection it used to be. This was my third or fourth visit since the latest ownership swap.

                                                                                                    1. re: justxpete

                                                                                                      I'm not a big pita / gyro guy but Folia made me a convert. Hope that ownership change doesn't hurt quality that much.

                                                                                        2. Has anyone been lately? I believe the place is into it's fourth owner? Visited many times when it first opened by the young couple. Now I notice the prices are up and I hope the quality of food has stayed the same.