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Hungrierthanever Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM

Visiting San Francisco next weekend. I'll be staying downtown, it's my first time in San Francisco(and second time visiting the west coast, ever). I'd love to know where the best places to eat are( I know I should have a certain type of food I'd prefer eating but I'm a 25 year old guy who eats whatever you put in front of me). I'm working with a medium budget ($45-50 per plate ), and I'm on the fence about renting a car but if the food is worth traveling for I'm willing to travel after it. So I'd like a little help please, where do i go for "good eats".

Thanks.

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  1. nicedragonboy RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM

    I'm afraid you probably won't get too many responsed to this post since it's just too general and it's a question that gets asked literally hundreds of times on this board. Maybe if you searched a little on this board with a narrower idea of what you'd like to experience you could find an existing thread, or perhaps specify a little more about your tastes, locations, etc. With hundreds of good restaurants in the Bay area in that price range within walking, driving and or BARTing distance from downtown, it's hard to give any useful reply.

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      goldangl95 RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 14, 2012 03:52 PM

      On Saturday, before 1 p.m., stop by the Ferry Building. They have a great farmers market, plus a lot of great, small foodie shops and restaurants inside. It's a good place to get a feel for the produce and foods of CA (though on the expensive side).

      I'm afraid need to know a little bit about food preferences in order to give restaurant recs. Italian/French? Steak? Ethnic Foods? Preferences for urban/scene-y versus hole-in-the wall/divey?

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        Hungrierthanever RE: goldangl95 Feb 15, 2012 08:26 AM

        I'd say I'm more of the hole in the wall or scene-y type. I wouldn't mind a good steak either. What is the Bay Area known for when it comes to food?

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          goldangl95 RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM

          Some ideas (first warning - eating in SF often requires reservations or long waits):

          The Mission neighborhood (btween Dolores & Van Ness - 15th & 25th). You can take BART to 16th & Mission.
          This was a high crime neighborhood where many Latin American immigrants lived. As SF gentrified, a ton of great restaurants have moved into the area. It's a very appealing mix now of great Mexican and El Salvadorean eateries as well more upscale Californian/American cuisine. It's still somewhat grimy/sketchy in parts, so a lot of non-city folk don't like it. Nightlife scene is rather hipster fantastic. If you love food, it's an awesome neighborhood. Some suggestions:
          Ice Cream (flavors like Balsamic Caramel, sage etc.):
          Bi-Rite or Humphrey Slocombe
          Good Food + Good Beer (Gastropub):
          The Sycamore
          Exotic/Interesting Take on Chinese food (must like spicy food to really appreciate):
          Mission Chinese Food
          Sangria in Pitchers + Great Ceviche + Roast Chicken + Warm and Really Loud:
          Limon Rotisserie
          More Upscale Places (vibrant as opposed to hushed over white tablecloths):
          Range, Delfina, Bar Tartine

          The Marina (need to take a cab or bus - BART doesn't go there)
          The opposite of the Mission. Beautiful neighborhood by the bay, tons of upscale little boutiques, where investment bankers live. Has a very "Bro" nightlife scene. Still retains SF charm - great architecture, nearish to the Palace of Fine Arts and some amazing views of the Golden Gate Bridge:
          Upscale decent (but not amazing) takes on Latin American food. Fun places:
          Tacolicious or Mamacitas
          Great italian:
          A16
          Great Steak at a good price:
          Boboquivari

      2. mariacarmen RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 14, 2012 09:05 PM

        You're a 25 year old - get on Bart and head to the Mission District. Get off on either 16th St. or 24th St. and walk up and down Mission St. and Valencia St., and all the side streets in between. There you'll find dozens and dozens of restaurants in all price ranges, styles, and cuisines. check out this thread.

        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/815418

        grab a sandwich at Rhea's Deli (or Bi-Rite if you've got more $$) and head to Dolores Park (if it's not raining) and spend the day amongst other youthful folk in one of our most beautiful spots (and we have a ton of them).

        plus, there are tons of bars/clubs in the Mission, and it's just a fun place to walk around, day or night.

        1. rworange RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 12:20 AM

          Wow, really... medium budget ... $45-50 per plate?

          I can't think of a restaurant that charges that much unless your get into tasting menus. Did you mean per day?

          Definately Ferry Plaza on Saturday morning not only for the food but for the ... San Francisconess of it.

          Exploring the Mission is good and maybe Zuni for Dinner. Canteen for Sunday brunch or Mama's in Washington Square.

          You wouldn't need a car unless you wanted to get out of the city and drive up to wine country on Sunday to check that out.

          1. Hungrierthanever RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 08:19 AM

            Sorry guys, I'm from Philadelphia, restaurants here are a bit pricy. I'm guessing $45-50 per plate is a bit much? That means I just might be willing to rent a car and do a bit of moving around the Bay Area. I'll be visiting for 5 days so as far as food goes I'll be trying a lot.

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              mariacarmen RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 10:06 AM

              if you're looking for higher end, we certainly do have it.

              Try:
              Coi
              Range (in the Mission)
              Atelier Crenn
              Gary Danko
              Ame
              Quince
              Benu
              Spruce
              Michael Mina
              La Mer
              Waterbar

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                Hungrierthanever RE: mariacarmen Feb 15, 2012 10:38 AM

                To be honest, it's not about high end, it's about finding good food. If I spend less but get a great plate of food that's what I'm looking for. Putting what I'm willing to spend might've been a bit much. I just don't wanna look like a tourist aimlessly walking into every store asking "can I see the menu"

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                  mariacarmen RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM

                  well, we've given you a lot of choices now, you can look up their menus online.

                  here are more specifics in the mission:
                  Range
                  Maverick
                  Bar Tartine
                  Locanda
                  Limon
                  Foreign Cinema
                  Nombe

                  outside the Mission, beside others I mentioned above:Barbacco
                  Perbacco
                  Wexler's
                  Salt House

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                rworange RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 10:56 AM

                it would be to your benefit to define what good eats is to you.

                if creative dining is your thing then places like coi would the way to go. if straight foward excellent quality California cuisine then Zuni-like joints would be it. A coi person would be bored by zuni and a zuni person would scream about the silliness of coi.

                I'd say Chez Panisse in Berkely but the coi types just spit at its boring-to-them excellence.

                Even a joint like Waterbar tops out at about 35 for an entree. What kills you in SF is apps which can run 10-20 , dessert and booze. That can run a meal at a good place around $100 with tax and tip.

                http://www.yelp.com/biz/waterbar-san-...

                Even though I vowed to stop giving tourist tips, your enthusiasm for your trip got to me. I love California (originally from Connecticut). I want people to love it as much as i do.

                I wonder if you are a drinker as your profile says your drink of choice is water.

                Are you looking interesting small eats like taco trucks or great little mom and pops. Your plate costs indicates that wouldn't be your focus.

                Then there is your age. Are you looking to socialize too.

                Given all that here's what I'd suggest for a first time visitor to the area to get a feel for Northern California.

                Spend two days in SF. Do not miss Ferry Plaza on Saturday morning. Considert Slanted Door (Cal-Vietnamese), Zuni (Cal cuisine classic), Tadich (old school SF. Stick to the cioppino and martinis). Have breakfast at places like Mamas, Canteen or Brendas.

                Take a day to explore Berkeley. Go to the Gourmet Ghetto. Have breakfast at Bette's Oceanview. Try the cheeseboard pizza for lunch. Have dinner at Chez Panisse. That can be done on public transportation. If you want to tool around Oakland too, then get a car to cover more territory.

                Spend a day in wine country and throw in a winery or two. That you need a car for. Visit Oxbow Market and have oysters at Hog island or a creative upscale taco at C CASA. Maybe wander down from Napa to Sonoma and stop by Freemont Diner.

                Spend a day driving down the Pacific Coast to Santa Cruz. The West Coast is like nothing you will ever see back East. Miles and miles of nothing but free open road and beach. Maybe stop at half moon bay for lunch. Or continue down and stop at Duartes in Pexcadero for the artichoke soup. this isn't amazing food but it is sort of the coast equivalent of tadich ... a long time institution that is worthy checking out. see the goat farm in town. Further down the coast stop at Swanton berry farm. From santa cruz take the road back over the windy hills to Los Gatos and eat dinner at Manressa.

                Put together an proposed itinery

                Day 1
                restaurant
                restaurant
                Day 2
                restaurant
                etc

                That will get you a lot more information.

                You wont see and eat everywhere, but you will have a good taste of California. Be prepared to tell your family when you get home that you will be moving to California

              3. grayelf RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 12:13 PM

                What about the suggestions you got when you posted in December? http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/821267 Do any of those appeal? You are getting a lot of great responses here (as a frequent visitor myself, I know how helpful the local Hounds are) despite your posts being a bit vague :-).

                One thing that SF has that I can't get at home and crave is good Thai, Burmese and Lao food. I would recommend those cuisines to you, unless they are really awesome in Philadelphia. Check out Lers Ros, Mandalay or Ventian in Oakland respectively for good examples.

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                  Kitchen Imp RE: grayelf Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM

                  Thanks for this heads-up, grayelf - sounds like maybe, just maybe, the OP is making a doc film about food in the Bay Area and wants our input on places to go without admitting it! [the previous post also says it's his first visit, and mentions that he's a filmmaker]

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                    Hungrierthanever RE: Kitchen Imp Feb 15, 2012 12:26 PM

                    I am a director, this trip is strictly for pleasure. I just want the opinion of good people about great places to eat. If something comes from the trip I'd love to create a documentary profiling your city because it look like a fun city to visit.

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                  heartysoul RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM

                  Well, if you go to North Beach - (across from Mama's) is the most delicious foccaccia known to Italy. It is a 100+ year establishment - family run - get the pizza foccaccia and you've died and gone to heaven - it is a tiny storefront on the corner across from Mama's. It is hauntingly delicious. No other place like it. Gary Danko - Benu have been highly-rated. if you like Greek - Kokkari on Jackson St. Ferry Plaza is slanted door - For amazing, expensive fish - Farallon near Union Square.

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                    rworange RE: heartysoul Feb 15, 2012 01:21 PM

                    Rules for tourists

                    - No person from the East Coast should eat in Bay Area Greek restaurants
                    - No person from serious BBQ areas in the South should eat at places that replicate that
                    - No person from Philly should eat a cheesesteak here
                    - No person from serious steak eating areas like Chicago should bother with steak here

                    Focus on those areas that California does best.

                    And that is just my two cents and i hope people won't get off topic discussing this because that is what happened to the other thread from december.

                    But still ...

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                      Hungrierthanever RE: rworange Feb 15, 2012 01:30 PM

                      I've never entertained the out of town "Philly cheesesteak" it's laughable to think they'd be able to duplicate what we have here.

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                        rworange RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 01:49 PM

                        Well, that's the point of other regional cuisines here. They are here to satisify cravings by people from those regions, but it is rare they match the native food.

                  2. Hungrierthanever RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 01:26 PM

                    I truly thank you guys/ladies for your opinion. Clearly you all know San Francisco better than I do. What I'm gonna do is re-read all of your posts again, check out the different menus. I'd like to treat this trip (food wise) like a sampler and try to try some of everything mentioned in this thread.

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                      nicedragonboy RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 01:29 PM

                      well, shows you what I know. Good luck on your foodventure!

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                        Hungrierthanever RE: nicedragonboy Feb 15, 2012 01:40 PM

                        Thank you, when I return I plan to do a review of every place I attend. I'll also try to take plenty picks of the food I eat.

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                      sfbing RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 01:32 PM

                      If you are only here for a weekend, skip the rental car. There is plenty to see and do in SF in two days without the hassle of parking.

                      Judging from your posts, your tastes slant American (breakfast, BBQ, seafood, pie, sandwiches, little mention of non European ethnic cuisine). Regardless, I agree with a lot of other people in this thread about spending a Saturday morning at the Ferry building farmers market to get a feel for the SF food scene. The porcetta sandwich at the Roli Roti food stand sounds right up your alley.

                      Other suggestions based on your stated preference for busy, youngish, mid-range places:
                      Breakfast: Mama's or Brenda's
                      Alembic or Magnolia brewpubs in the Haight
                      Nopa for American, or Nopalito, Nopa's little sister for Mexican
                      Mission Chinese Food, for trendy hipster Chinese American food
                      Barbacco, for casual Italian and wine
                      Swan's Oyster Depot, old school SF seafood
                      Bar Crudo
                      Commonwealth
                      Ike's Sandwiches, for huge sandwiches with crazy names

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                        Hungrierthanever RE: sfbing Feb 15, 2012 01:39 PM

                        I'll be there 5 days but I'm still gonna take your advice and nix the rental.

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                          nicedragonboy RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 15, 2012 03:05 PM

                          I always recommend Aziza to out-of-towners but it's kinda out of the way.

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                          rworange RE: sfbing Feb 15, 2012 01:51 PM

                          I forgot Foreign Cinema to be considered for a weekend brunch.

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                            sfbing RE: rworange Feb 15, 2012 02:00 PM

                            Also you might find this a useful list of brunch candidates:
                            http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/2012...

                            Note: I really like Outerlands, but it probably isn't worth the trip to eat there for a visitor.

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                              Hungrierthanever RE: sfbing Feb 15, 2012 02:05 PM

                              Thank you

                        3. Hungrierthanever RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 17, 2012 10:06 AM

                          Quick question how good is the seafood in the area? I feel silly about asking the question because this is the "Bay Area" I've been looking over this thread and I don't remember if anyone mentioned seafood.

                          Thanks

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                            DavidT RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM

                            I suggest going to the upper right-hand corner of this page and do a search for "seafood." You will find many, many discussions already here for you to review.

                            The Tadich Grill and Sam's Grill (in the Financial District) are 2 of the old-school SF seafood houses that serve lunch & dinner. Tadich has a long counter where you can feel quite comfortable dining solo. Swan's Oyster Depot (on Pol Street) is another old-school place that serves lunch only.

                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/827821

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                              Hungrierthanever RE: DavidT Feb 17, 2012 10:27 AM

                              Thanks

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                                DavidT RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 17, 2012 06:32 PM

                                The strength of Tadich & Sam's is fish either grilled over charcoal or pan-fried/sauteed. I would not be inclined to order fish or other seafood deep-fried at either place.

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                              Calvinist RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 17, 2012 10:30 AM

                              Tadich Grill, Sotto Mare and Swan Oyster Depot are old-school style seafood places of note. Swan is really just a counter. Search and you will find plenty written about each. I like them all a lot for what are. As of now Sotto Mare is my favorite.

                              Hog and Rocks is a fun restaurant /bar in the Mission with oysters, small plates and drinks. Hog Island Oyster Bar in the Ferry Building has great oysters but is not cheap.

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                                Hungrierthanever RE: Calvinist Feb 17, 2012 10:33 AM

                                I will definitely go do research right now. I'm looking for a place that does good fired seafood.

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                                  goldangl95 RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 17, 2012 03:28 PM

                                  SF is kinda on a raw seafood/cooking seafood to honor the fish kick (which I appreciate). So I am having trouble actually think of a place with good fried fish or calamari, that I actually enjoy.

                                  Despite its name, Bar Crudo does have great cooked seafood dishes - so you may want to check that out. The emphasis is still on raw fish though.

                                  Hog Island Oysters also has an excellent "deconstructed" clam chowder if you are not opposed to shellfish. It's cooked!

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                                    rworange RE: goldangl95 Feb 17, 2012 03:51 PM

                                    Yeah, don't get East Coast fish and preps or you will sorely be disappointed as i was my first year here. Other than calamari and fish and chips, restaurants aren't into fried seafood that much.

                                    Salmon is good. Sand dabs are a nice local fish if in season. Hog Island oyster is great for oysters and and the clam chowder is more of a bowl of steamed clams in broth so if you go have that expectation.

                                    Cioppino is the local fish stew and Tadich does it well, but you can search and get other recs. Clam chowder is not local, often from cans and if it is served in a sourdough bowl get a tattoo on your forhead with the word 'tourist'

                                    Other seafood places mentioned often
                                    - Anchor and Hope
                                    - Hyde Street Bistro
                                    - Farralon
                                    - Sotto Mare
                                    - Scoma's
                                    - Waterbar
                                    - La Mar Cebichería Peruana

                                    Scoma's is certainly no real destination, but the one thing they do well is fish. They have their own boats which pull up in front of the restaurant where the catch is processed. For all its faults, Scomas still has my vote for freshest fish in SF.

                                    That being said, it is in fisherman's wharf which is pretty much tourist junk.

                                    Scoma's prices are too high, the portion are way too large and the sides are boring. The sourdough sucks and is not as good as Tadich which has the best sourdough in SF. But the fish ... to me it is worth it to stop by now and then for that. They have a nice lunch prixe fixe which is a reasonable price and sane portions. They also do a cioppino that is super filling and almost like pasta sauce. I like Tadich's broth better, but the fish in the cioppino at Tadich's better.

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                                Robert Lauriston RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 18, 2012 04:12 PM

                                A lot of the most interesting seafood around here is at Peruvian, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Japanese restaurants.

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                                DavidT RE: Hungrierthanever Feb 18, 2012 06:22 PM

                                Hunrgrierthanever -

                                If you get a chance, please be sure to give us a report of where you ate and how you enjoyed it. Thanks in advance!

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                                  Hungrierthanever RE: DavidT Feb 18, 2012 06:32 PM

                                  No problem, I can't wait to get there. As soon as my friend and I drop our bags off at the hotel (Hotel Metropolis) we're headed to an open house @ the Art Institute. Then it's off to the Mission District!! I'll definitely take tons of pics of everything we eat.

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                                    Hungrierthanever RE: DavidT Mar 14, 2012 07:58 PM

                                    I finally get to do my review of the city. I've been quite busy planning for my next adventure, but here goes nothing.
                                    I didn't know what expect when I touched down in San Francisco. For the person I was traveling with it would be their second time, so I decided to go with flow of the day. We touched down around 9:30 am and took a taxi straight to the our hotel (Hotel Metropolis, it wasn't the best but it wasn't the worst either). My friend thought it would be cool to have mexican as soon as we got settled, so we ditched the bags and headed over to Nopalitos like SFBING suggested. The food was very good. The vegetables in the burrito I had were fresh and they weren't overcooked. The flavors came together nicely, we truly enjoyed it. We didn't go out for dinner we just order out and the place was pretty good (i forgot the name of the place). Saturday was in my opinion the best day for eating. I didn't want to seem like I was choosing every place we ate so i gave in for Saturday's lunch which was at Tarantinos on Fisherman's Wharf. The seafood was extremely fresh, and we were also provide with a bit of comedy. There was a man sitting on a crate hiding behind a branch scaring passing tourist and locals.

                                     
                                     
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