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No Dannon for Pesach???????

SoCal Mother Feb 14, 2012 08:23 AM

From Kashrut.com newsletter:

Dannon has decided not to produce Kosher for Passover yogurts this year. More Information can be found at www.kashrut.com/Passover/PAlerts.

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    SoCal Mother RE: SoCal Mother Feb 14, 2012 08:27 AM

    I called their consumer line. They said they don't sell enough of it. I buy 20-30 each Pesach to feed my kids, their friends and my extended family.

    Calling worked for Duncan Hines, maybe this will work.

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    1. re: SoCal Mother
      DeisCane RE: SoCal Mother Feb 14, 2012 08:46 AM

      That's too bad because yogurt is a great Pesach snack.

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        SoCal Mother RE: DeisCane Feb 14, 2012 09:01 AM

        So call!! Please!!! Everyone!!!

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          koshergourmetmart RE: SoCal Mother Feb 14, 2012 11:12 AM

          the amt of work it takes to produce it kfp makes it highly unlikely that it will kfp this year or in the future. with duncan hines they had not only jews who keep kosher (chalav yisrael included whereas dannon is not chalav yisrael) but also people who cannot eat dairy.

          1. re: koshergourmetmart
            SoCal Mother RE: koshergourmetmart Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM

            No, I disagree. I think that the yogurt is most likely inherently KLP and just requires the certification.

            They are clearly running the kosher flavors (coffee, vanilla, lemon, plain) on a different line because they have many other products that are not kosher.

            The ingredients are most likely KLP to begin with because there is no change in the ingredients list in the Pesach version.

            The only ingredients in the coffee flavor are milk, sugar, coffee, natural flavor and pectin. OK, "natural flavor" could be anything and maybe they don't use KLP pectin year-round. I bet they just don't want to pay for the supervision.

            1. re: SoCal Mother
              avitrek RE: SoCal Mother Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM

              They're already paying for the certification. The OU doesn't charge more for passover. What they don't want to pay for is to reclean the plant and lose the production time during the cleaning.

              1. re: avitrek
                DeisCane RE: avitrek Feb 14, 2012 12:10 PM

                I think avi is probably right.

            2. re: koshergourmetmart
              koshergourmetmart RE: koshergourmetmart Feb 15, 2012 06:53 AM

              to clarify I did mean by the work the amt of time to clean

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        PotatoPuff RE: SoCal Mother Feb 15, 2012 08:19 AM

        Are there any other mainstream brands that make KFP yogurt? I just started eating yogurt this year, so I've never paid attention to that. I think it is also possible to make homemade yogurt for Pesach...

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          EmpireState RE: PotatoPuff Feb 15, 2012 08:41 AM

          As far as I know, it's only Dannon or the frummy brands. I eat a lot of Dannon during Pesach, so I am disappointed . If only the yogurts that I eat during the year- Chobani or Voskos- would become KFP..

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            SoCal Mother RE: EmpireState Feb 15, 2012 09:54 AM

            So please call! It worked when Duncan Hines brownies were going dairy...

            The difference is that the fruit flavored yogurts have all sorts of ingredients and the kosher flavors of Dannon are the simple ones with very few ingredients. The "frummy" brands can cost $2-3 per cup here and often come spoiled, and I have teenagers to feed!

            1. re: SoCal Mother
              EmpireState RE: SoCal Mother Feb 17, 2012 07:44 AM

              The "frummy" brands are not only overpriced and sometimes less than fresh, they are also, in my opinion, overly sweet and not available at most regular supermarkets..
              I emailed Dannon and received the following (expected) response:
              We understand how important Kosher for Passover products are for some consumers who observe Passover. Unfortunately, we are not producing these products this year due to limited interest. We are sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause you.

              Please note that the Orthodox Union has certified the following products OU Kosher.

              Current Dannon Flavored Yogurt Flavors (6oz)

              Current Dannon Flavored Yogurt Flavors (32 oz)

              Current Dannon Plain Yogurts (assorted sizes)
              6 oz Lowfat Plain
              6 oz Nonfat Plain
              32 oz Lowfat Plain
              32 oz Nonfat Plain
              32 oz Natural Fullfat Plain Yogurt

              As always, we appreciate your interest in our products and are always available to answer any questions or concerns that you have. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to call our toll-free number 1-877-DANNON-US (1-877-326-6668), Monday through Friday, 9 A.M. to 6 P.M. Eastern Time.

          2. re: PotatoPuff
            joebenjamin RE: PotatoPuff Feb 15, 2012 05:02 PM

            LA YOGURT came out with KFP yogurt last year---but it is a NYC /NJ area product

            1. re: PotatoPuff
              vallevin RE: PotatoPuff Feb 15, 2012 06:16 PM

              Check store brands of Shoprite, Stop & Shop and Pathmark (if you are in the NY/NJ area).

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                SoCal Mother RE: vallevin Feb 15, 2012 10:16 PM

                Nope. SoCal.

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                  rockycat RE: vallevin Feb 16, 2012 07:58 AM

                  The only KP brand we ever got here NC was Dannon. Every year the OU guide lists Harris Teeter (an NC-based grocery chain) brand dairy products as KP, but never once in the last 15 years have I ever seen one of their products with a Passover symbol. Sometimes we don't even get the Breakstone KP marked items until the last 3 days or so.

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                    vallevin RE: rockycat Feb 16, 2012 08:12 AM

                    Rocky Cat: if it means anything, it gets a little more difficult every...single...year... to find the KLP marking on the Shoprite items.

                    Sometimes it's stamped with the freshness date, some times it been on the plastic coving, sometime it's a brand container. I would take time a week before the chag and really study the package, just in case you are missing something.

                2. re: PotatoPuff
                  mommysmazal RE: PotatoPuff Feb 20, 2012 01:50 PM

                  Don't know about this year but last year my Shoprite had several kosher for Passover flavors for sale under their brand name and my friends told me some of their local stores had it as well. It was the fruit on the bottom kind. As for the brands you can find in the more religious stores Norman's was pretty good also.

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                    SoCal Mother RE: mommysmazal Feb 20, 2012 04:19 PM

                    By the time it gets to California Norman's is $2-3/cup and often dripping. The closest Shoprite to me is something like 2,000 miles away. Dannon is well priced and always fresh.

                    Please everyone if you have a few minutes, send Dannon an e-mail.

                    1. re: SoCal Mother
                      queenscook RE: SoCal Mother Feb 20, 2012 05:28 PM

                      In my opinion, sending Dannon an email asking them to reconsider their decision is only appropriate if one then actually plans to purchase the yogurt. If they did actually change their mind, and went KFP, and then didn't sell enough to justify the costs they entailed, it seems wrong to me, and maybe even a bit of a chillul Hashem. I do not eat yogurt at all, and my husband only eats fat-free fruit flavored ones, so I would certainly not email them, implying that if they were KFP I'd buy their product, when I know full well that I will not. Given that, and given the fact that they seem to have calculated that it doesn't pay for them to kasher their facility (facilities?), I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

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                        SoCal Mother RE: queenscook Feb 20, 2012 07:24 PM

                        Well it worked when Duncan Hines announced that their brownies were going milchig. We flooded them with calls and e-mails begging them to reconsider. They hadn't understood where their customer base was coming from and quickly back-tracked.

                        When Dannon's fruit yogurts went trefe I e-mailed, and the nice but clueless person who answered me insisted that I would enjoy the taste of the new recipe so much better. He or she was baffled when I replied that I couldn't buy it any more.

                        I buy a case of Dannon coffee and vanilla for Pesach. I have my own teenagers and many of their friends, and there just aren't enough Pesach snacks and breakfast foods around. We eat an average of one yogurt per day per person and at Pesach we switch from the Greek yogurt to whatever we can get that's kosher. (Except for me - I only eat Dannon.)

                        I sure miss the boysenberry...

                        PS In our local Ralph's the KFP Dannon is kept in its usual spot with a note in the Passover section saying where it can be found. They really have no way of knowing who buys it because it's Passover and who just buys it.

                        1. re: SoCal Mother
                          queenscook RE: SoCal Mother Feb 20, 2012 08:37 PM

                          Yes, but when Duncan Hines was going milchig, the people that called and emailed probably really were using it. You seem to be suggesting that we should ALL email; I wonder how many of us here are actually Pesachdik Dannon yogurt consumers to begin with.

                          As someone up this thread mentioned, the Duncan Hines issue didn't involve chalav Yisrael; in fact, quite the opposite . . . staying parve meant people could use it on shabbos with meat meals, dairy sensitive people could continue to use it, as well as people who keep CY could continue to use it. In this case, with Dannon, people who keep CY won't use it, and we're talking a maximum of nine days this yogurt would need to be used (I'm including erev yomtov), but in reality, for many, it's more like only the three or four days of chol ha'moed (if they don't eat milchig meals on yom tov.)

                          I think sometimes Orthodox Jews don't think about how small a percentage of the population we really are. The total Jewish population of the US is about 2% of the total population, and only about 10% of that call themselves Orthodox. While lots of research has shown that thousands of people buy kosher products for many reasons other than Orthodoxy, and therefore many food companies have good reason to keep their products certified, that doesn't apply for Pesach. Non-Jews who look for kosher symbols because they feel the food is more pure, or cleaner, or more ethical (whether these things are true or not) will continue to purchase OU Dannon over Passover; they will only be losing a tiny amount of business for the very short time of the chag, from the strict Orthodox kosher-keepers. But the cost of cleaning their equipment, and as avitrek mentioned, the production time they would lose in this process, could be prohibitive.

                          In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, I can't think of too many major brand/mass-market goods that require a hechsher for Pesach that are KFP. Coke, I guess, is one. But take something like Haagen-Daaz. All that's in their vanilla ice cream is "Cream, Skim Milk, Sugar, Egg Yolks, Natural Vanilla"--nothing which is assur on Pesach. Still, even given all the Jews that eat Haagen-Daaz, the company still doesn't go KFP. Just not worth it. Obviously Dannon now feels the same.

                          1. re: queenscook
                            jdh11 RE: queenscook Feb 27, 2012 01:04 PM

                            I'm surprised, I used to buy several trays of the Dannon KFP yogurts, and I used to see them sell out pretty fast. They were especially good for Erev Pesach when you can't eat anything else. What does Dannon mean that they were not selling enough of them? Were their sales lower for the Pesach run? Were they the same as usual, therefore not enough of a sales increase to justify the cost of the special Passover run?

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                              jeffrosenbaum RE: jdh11 Feb 27, 2012 01:23 PM

                              Like it or not we are a niche market. Most people do not care if something is kosher for passover. They have made a business decision. We will have to live with it. Of course, if Dannon finds that enough people will refuse to buy Dannon after pessach they may change their mind next year. Again that would be a purely business decision

                            2. re: queenscook
                              CloggieGirl RE: queenscook Feb 27, 2012 05:43 PM

                              Philadelphia cream cheese. I would be very sad if I couldn't have my pesach breakfast of cream cheese and jam on matzah.

                              1. re: queenscook
                                CanadaGirl RE: queenscook Feb 27, 2012 05:57 PM

                                Queenscook, you are so right. My family is Catholic, but I often seek out products that are cerified pareve as I have a highly lactose intolerant son. The kosher certification on deli meats helps us a lot too, as so many have lactose added.

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                                  barryg RE: CanadaGirl Feb 27, 2012 08:20 PM

                                  But do you care if the product is specially certified for Pesach?

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                                    CanadaGirl RE: barryg Feb 28, 2012 02:36 AM

                                    barryg: not at all. I was agreeing with queenscook that many people look for kosher certifications for reason that have nothing to do with religious observation and therefore are not affected by certification for Pesach. I'm in that group of people.

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                      mamaleh RE: SoCal Mother Feb 27, 2012 09:07 PM

                      I doubt these particular Dannon yogurts in their current packaging will be around much longer. Only one major store (Ralphs) in my area carries them even year-round anymore, and they only have a few of the coffee flavor ones at any given time. Perhaps they will look at making their more popular Stoneyfield Farm yogurts KFP in the future.

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