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dalewest Feb 13, 2012 06:03 PM

Dear Hounds,

I purchased a small whole duck at my local coop 2 days ago. I was planning to cook the whole thing with a method I have used before that involves first steaming for a about 40 minutes to render fat and then then roasting to crisp the skin. However, I have been a bit busy the last couple of days so today I took the duck duck apart, removed the breasts and cooked them like steaks. They were delicious, but now I need ideas for the rest of the duck.

I have reserved all the parts. Could I render enough fat out of the backbone, and wings to cook the leg/thighs comfit?

Ideas? I have vacuum sealer and PID controller for sous vide cooking so suggestions using that would be welcome.

Thanks.

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    thimes Feb 13, 2012 06:47 PM

    You might be able to render enough fat to confit via sous vide but not the traditional method. I do confit via sous vide and it only takes a tablespoon or two per bag. If not you can add another fat to bulk up your duck fat. A quick google search will give you several recipes (times/temps - you'll find 75-80C for about 10 hours) as well to give you a starting point.

    Of course the back you should save and add to your next batch of stock - wings too!

    I think I'm doing confit for dinner on friday! Its my favorite.

    1. Caroline1 Feb 13, 2012 07:29 PM

      My guess is that you won't get enough fat out of the back and wings to do a proper confit, BUT.... You can vacuum seal the leftover duck and park it in the freezer until some extra duck fat you order on line gets there. Then it's time to confit away! And you'll have enough duck fat to french fry some potatoes to go with the confit. Be still my heart! Or you could just do a low fat cassoulet by using the non-confit duck legs. '-)

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      1. re: Caroline1
        paulj Feb 14, 2012 09:10 AM

        If I recall my reading from Modernist Cuisine correctly, you (Caroline1 in specific) can confit with your new sous vide machine. Vacuum seal with some of the duck fat, and put it in your SV oven. The duck fat does season the duck meat, but the long slow simmer in the fat is just that, long slow cooking. There is nothing special about the large amount of fat, except that it is a medium for transferring heat to the meat. And later the fat is a means of protecting the duck from spoilage, but we have refrigerators and freezers to do that now.

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          Caroline1 Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM

          Molecular Gastronomy and Modernist Cuisine aside, I stand by what I wrote above. I've been cooking ducks for way over half a century now, and to confit the little quackers, you do need to submerge the leg meat in duck fat completely. It is true that you can use a bit less fat in a vacuum sealed pouch for sous vide than you would need for stove top (or oven) cooking, but not that much less. A scant teaspoon ain't gonna cut it. Now, as I said above, I don't think the OP will be able to render sufficient fat from the back and wings to confit the legs. A tub of duck fat runs from 7 to 9 bucks or so on the web, plus shipping. But I am an old fashioned purist. I would be able to taste the difference if the legs were cooked in insufficent duck fat. But that's just me.

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            escondido123 Feb 14, 2012 12:41 PM

            Does that mean you wouldn't eat them?

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              Caroline1 Feb 15, 2012 01:09 AM

              More likely means I wouldn't call them "confit"! '-)

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              cowboyardee Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM

              I've done a lot of sous vide confit. In my experience, the sometimes overlooked pre-confit curing process makes all the difference in whether you get a truly traditional effect. Storing it for a while afterward (which is only advisable if you cured it) also changes the flavor a bit for a nice but subtle effect.

              It seems to me you're right that a teaspoon of fat isn't going to cut it for the full effect. But the difference in amount of fat needed is still significant. We're talking maybe 1/3 cup of fat (sous vide) vs a cup or two's worth to confit traditionally.

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                Caroline1 Feb 15, 2012 01:32 AM

                I've always had a problem getting my hands on ENOUGH duck fat to do a bona fide confit that has enough fat to cover the legs by at least an inch deeper than the legs once they're packed in a jar. Years ago a French girlfriend insisted you cannot make a decent cassoulet unless the confit has aged in the pantry for at least two weeks. Try that without curing and you'll probably get very very sick. Some things just don't have satisfactory shortcuts.

                It makes sense that sous vide for ten hours would work as well as ten hours in a 200F oven. Maybe I need to thaw those ducks I've been hoarding in the freezer?

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                  Jzone Feb 15, 2012 12:32 PM

                  I actually do mine in our slow cooker, for about 6-8 hours and no curing before hand. Had some last weekend that was jarred and fridged last august and it was awesome and no one sick.

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                    Caroline1 Feb 15, 2012 01:50 PM

                    Refrigeration being the key word! The traditional French method predates refrigeration by who knows how many centuries, and it calls for salt curing, slow and low cooking fully submerged in its own fat, then put in a sterile jar with enough fat to cover by an inch or more on top, then covered with a cloth, tied, and set on the pantry shelf until ready to use. Pantry shelves without the salt cure would be risky. But as cowboy said, the flavor is a bit different without the cure too.

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                      cowboyardee Feb 15, 2012 05:09 PM

                      Among other things, salt is protective against clostridium bacteria, responsible for botulism. Just because you don't cure doesn't mean that you are automatically going to get sick. You can make and store it without curing many times and luck out repeatedly. Refrigeration is helpful as well, lowering the incidence of botulism significantly - freezing would reduce the chances of botulism to just about zero. Reheating to boiling temperature and holding it there for 10 minutes before eating will also denature the botulism toxin (though it's no guaranty against some of the various molds and other bacteria that salt is also responsible for preventing).

                      The converse side of that idea is this: just because you follow dangerous practice once or twice or ten or 100 times and don't get sick doesn't mean there's no risk.

                      But here's the thing: botulism doesn't give you an upset stomach or make you spend a day or two hugging your toilet. It kills people. Sturdy, healthy, full-grown people. I suggest you reconsider your strategy. It only takes one time. Of all the spoilage and food poisoning microbes out there, it's not one to take lightly.

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            escondido123 Feb 13, 2012 09:20 PM

            You can also make confit with a mixture of duck fat and olive oil. It won't be exactly the same, but damn near to it.

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            1. re: escondido123
              BobB Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM

              That will work great, especially if you've dry-brined the legs with plenty of salt and herbs overnight before you start (remember to rinse them thoroughly before confiting, though).

              You can even confit in just plain vegetable oil - it's not the same, but still very tasty. I did that with the legs & wings of two large turkeys last Thanksgiving - threw them into a big stockpot, added plenty of garlic, and covered them with canola oil. Came out great! As with duck legs, you need to crisp them up before serving, either by pan-searing or (my preference) broiling.

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                Caroline1 Feb 16, 2012 11:21 PM

                Just for the record, the original/traditional meaning of "confit" is something salted to retard bacterial growth then slow cooked IN ITS OWN FAT before placing the meat in sterile jars or bowls and then topping it with ITS OWN FAT that it has been cooked in to a level at least an inch above the top of the meat.

                Once you start diluting the duck fat, or goose fat, or pig fat, or whatever other fatty critter you are going to confit with fats not its own, you are then poaching in fat or oil. It is not confit.

                I know. Language changes. Today a lot of "chefs" who are damned good cooks but suck at proper culinary terminology, throw culinary terms into discussions where they do not belong. For me, it's like calling a chicken a strawberry. Just because you call a chicken a strawberry, that's not going to make it a strawberry, but it can sure screw up recipes for strawberry short cake, never mind what it will do to good old chicken soup! For example, you CANNOT make a carrot confit! Yet Tim Love once listed that on his menu at Lonesome Dove in Fort Worth. However, you can POACH carrots in oil or duck fat, but no matter what kind of fat you use, you will not produce a carrot confit. Unless you can find a few cups full of carrot fat...? Good luck on that one.

                Okay... Back to the discussion at hand. CONFIT!

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                  sunshine842 Feb 17, 2012 12:03 AM

                  I'm with you, Caroline.

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                    BobB Feb 17, 2012 07:55 AM

                    Etymologically I'm sure you're correct, but aside from the vagaries of current usage, to me there is a much greater conceptual difference between cooking something in water and cooking it in fat than there is between cooking something in its own fat, a different fat, or a mixture of the two. Poaching to me is water- or wine-based, confiting is fat-based.

                    But in the end of course, the important thing is how it tastes.

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                      FoodPopulist Feb 18, 2012 01:42 PM

                      According to Nathan Myhrvold of Modernist Cuisine (as interviewed in Cooking for Geeks), it's all about time and temperature, so that you can't tell the difference between sous vide, cooking confit in the traditional way, or steaming meat without any oil and adding oil at the end. His explanation is that the oil molecules are too big to penetrate the meat.

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                        paulj Feb 18, 2012 01:48 PM

                        I think he also points out that during this cooking in melted fat, there are no bubbles or other evidence of water being driven out of the meat. Since moisture isn't being lost, the fat can't enter. Contrast this with deep fat frying where initially the fat bubbles vigorously as water in the food turns to steam and escapes.

                        I don't have copy of Modernist Cuisine, but spent a morning browsing it at the library (in the reference section).

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                      escondido123 Feb 17, 2012 08:02 AM

                      I just looked at "Larousse Gastronomique" says 2 interesting things in its entry on CONFIT. First, that it is often prepared using a mixture of pork and poultry fats. Second, that other meats that can be made as a confit include rabbit and veal.

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                        trouttr Feb 18, 2012 10:42 AM

                        Also for the record Escoffier specifies that it is cooked in its own fat and then topped with lard

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                          paulj Feb 18, 2012 11:00 AM

                          P Wolfert (SW France) claims lard is more impenetrable to air, so makes a better sealing layer. (p220)

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                    Jzone Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM

                    I used to confit all the legs when breaking down our ducks (we grab a case of 6 or 12 at a time) but lately we've been braising them and they turn out amazing. We started with this recipe (http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...) and I've been playing with it using crimini's instead of morels, or other dried mushrooms I have on hand. Also works with red wine, shallots etc. Oh the timing given is 40 mins, but I find it much better at about 90mins. If you need more you can use chicken legs, thighs etc. with your duck legs and they should all cook at the same time so no worries.

                    Cheers.

                    1. alkapal Feb 17, 2012 05:20 AM

                      i still want to try sara moulton's "duck confit in an oven bag" -- because if she vouches for it, it has got to work.

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                        Caroline1 Feb 17, 2012 06:19 AM

                        <sigh> What did I say about celebrity chefs using culinary buzz words? Other than it NOT being confit of duck, it's probably a nice recipe for steamed duck crisped in a pan. And at no time does she MARINATE the duck! A marinade is liquid, a RUB is not. To marinate something means to place it in the marinade LIQUID long enough for it to absorb flavors and possibly tenderize. For her to confuse the culinary language in this way with her background and training, shame on her! It seems everyone is making strawberry short cake using chicken!

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                          alkapal Feb 17, 2012 07:17 AM

                          many people who know a lot more than i do disagree with your concept of a wet marinade being required for confit. wolfert, ruhlman, keller, colicchio, et al.

                          they use a cure or a salt brine, which does not use any liquid. the liquid, if any, is provided by the duck itself, as the salt does its magic.

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                            BobB Feb 17, 2012 08:35 AM

                            I don't think Caroline is saying that you should marinate duck for confit (we all know that's not how it's done), but rather that Moulton uses the word marinate when she means rub (or at best, dry-brine).

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                              alkapal Feb 17, 2012 11:07 AM

                              perhaps that might be her only objection. nevertheless, it seems like her objection is to more, namely "Other than it NOT being confit of duck, it's probably a nice recipe for steamed duck crisped in a pan."

                              for anyone who has used a roasting bag, they know that it does not steam. and as the moulton technique roasts*** the duck to the point where it is essentially roasted then cooking in its own rendered fat, i don't see how this rnethod is essentially in error.

                              wolfert is doing sous vide confit. is that wrong, too?

                              ~~~~~~~
                              ** ah ok, technically, not a ROAST" but baking. it gets crispy skin, though, which is what a roasting does.

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                              Caroline1 Feb 17, 2012 01:57 PM

                              Alkapal, I'm replying to you as a way to reply to everybody else on this digression, so don't take it personal.... unless you want to? '-)

                              I am chef trained (note: chef trained, but not a chef), with three and a half years with a licensed master chef in Turkey, six days a week, all meals, few holidays. This was in the late fifties. I was taught and trained in the haute cuisine traditions of that time, as well as in classic Turkish cuisine, which is one of the great cuisines of the world. This coincides fairly closely with the time Julia Child was writing MTAFC. I arrived back in the U.S. in time to watch her first shows on PBS, and I primarily watched to see if she was doing things right. She was. MOST of the time. (In later programs she made a beef Wellington, and told her audience to completely remove the top crust before serving. No, Julia, NO! But she did well by teaching America to cook.)

                              In that time zone, the LANGUAGE of cooking was clear and precise. Culinary terms were the "mis en place" of the verbal kitchen. And TV chefs and cooks of that era pretty much abided by them. Anyone ever read Escoffier's cook books? They are TECHNIQUE based, and he doesn't waste time telling you to peel the potatoes or dice the carrots. You were expected to know. A lot of things. And life was good because if you were dining with chefs, and one of them was the cook, and someone asked how you made a dish, he would tell you in clear culinary language, and you would be able to go away and duplicate it.

                              And way back then, NO ONE EVER told someone how to make a carrot confit, but they might have shared a recipe for poaching carrots in oil or animal fat or butter. Nor would anyone have suggested marinating duck legs to make a confit. Or to rub it with salt and herbs and put it in a bag to "marinate" and not include a liquid in the directions.

                              My entire point, and this will be my last entry on the matter, is that it grieves me deeply to see the language of excellent food corrupted by ANYONE, let alone the so called masters of the modern kitchen. (Sara Moulton, I'm looking at you! And several others, including Tim Love.)

                              As I said above, calling a chicken a strawberry is not going to change the chicken, but it will damned sure change the results of a recipe! Loss of language is everyone's loss. It strangles clear communication, and shame on the master cooks of today who perpetrate these crimes against the culinary language, no matter who they are. No excuses. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

                              Carry on. I'm through.

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                                alkapal Feb 17, 2012 02:08 PM

                                that's fine, caroline, but you haven't actually addressed my issues about how things are effected to get results of a duck confit.. but that's ok; if you're done, you're done. i just feel that there is a bit of technique discussion about confit that is left wanting. to rail against moulton or others about using the term "marinade" incorrectly is beside the point here really , no?

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                                  Caroline1 Feb 18, 2012 04:28 AM

                                  If I'm reading you right, you want to know how to make a proper confit. Tell you what I'm doing... I'm writing out step by step directions and adapting the traditional method that started with "go out in the yeard and wring the necks of four ducks," with "go to the market and buy four ducks, fresh preferred." It's taking longer to write out than I thought because I have to go back and clarify steps with more detail. It should be done later today or tomorrow, depending on how much "life" interrupts me I'll post it when it's done.

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                                    alkapal Feb 18, 2012 12:16 PM

                                    no; i know how to make confit…. cook some brief-cured meat in some fat to cover and get soft, preferably but not exclusively its own.

                                    i doubt the french make such a fuss.

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                                  escondido123 Feb 17, 2012 03:15 PM

                                  I appreciate that you have a lot of experience and I see that "Larousse" is one of your most tattered cookbooks. So given that you posted "Once you start diluting the duck fat, or goose fat, or pig fat, or whatever other fatty critter you are going to confit with fats not its own, you are then poaching in fat or oil. It is not confit" How do you reconcile the fact that "Larousee" says confit can be a mixture of poultry and pork fats?

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                                    Caroline1 Feb 18, 2012 05:34 AM

                                    Easy question! But all questions are easy if you know the answers, right?
                                    But first, what version of Larousse are you using? MIne is the 1960s first English translation, and in it the entry for "confit" simply says:

                                    "CONFIT -- Meat of pork, goose, duck, turkey, etc., cooked in its own fat, and preserved in a receptacle, completely immersed and covered in the same fat, which prevents it from coming in contact with the air."

                                    And then it defines Confit d'oie and confit de porc. Duck confit was not the bird of choice back then. Anyway, There are occasions when two animal fats were used in "putting up" a single confit, and I'll get to that, but first to clarify, Larousse Gastronomic is not written as an introductory cook book. It is written to and for those with a high body of knowledge already tucked into their heads before opening the cover. In the sixties when it was first translated into English, it was said that every good French restaurant in America immediately had a reference copy in their kitchens. The "recipe" parts are often more like reminders to jog a chef's memory than a tight step-by-step "how to." The history and definition parts are to help chef's gain more knowledge about the history and background of food and food related things. Sooo, that said,

                                    The reason Larousse Gastronomic mentions using two animal fats in [presumably] the same confit in some of the many "confit" entries is because it expects the reader to know that a "sealing layer" of beef fat/tallow was often floated on the top of the congealed bird fat in the crock of confit as the final step before covering with paper and cloth and tying the jar cover with string. The beef fat/tallow was much harder than the goose or duck fat when congealed and served as a "cork" to keep air from reaching the duck or goose fat, which would go rancid much faster than the harder beef fat, thus extending the preservation safety period. A confit without the sealing beef fat had a shelf life of three to maybe (depending on the seasons) six months whereas the beef tallow seal extended the shelf life to a year or more. People prided themselves on how much confit they had in their pantry the same way home canners prided themselves over how many fruits or vegetables they had preserved in the pantry to enjoy off-season. A jar or two of confit meant that should guests drop in, you ALWAYS had something "ready" and could feed them and feed them well!

                                    And for the record, confit was/is a very versatile product. It can be simply spread, with its fat, on toast crusts much like a pate, it can be used in another dish such as a cassoulet to make it go farther, or it can be heated, sauced, crisped, or any other way to make a main course presentation Very versatile meat!

                                    Hope this helps.

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                                      escondido123 Feb 18, 2012 07:54 AM

                                      Just so you know, there are other people on this board who know something about confit. We have eaten it in France, we have made it ourselves and we have eaten it in various restaurants. There are variations in fat when it is prepared and it is still confit. I also know that Larousse is not an everyday cookbook and have used it as my reference for details on many foods and preparations. My Larousse is from 1984 and as I posted, it says "Confit of duck or goose.......prepared with a mixture of pork and poultry fat." They cover the sealing layer separately saying that could be either fat or dripping.

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                                        Caroline1 Feb 18, 2012 10:21 AM

                                        I never said there aren't other people here who know something about confit. But I do maintain there is no make-it-from-scratch confit of duck that is done start to finish in an hour. What's next? Curing a prosciutto in a week? Stuff like that bugs me. I'm flawed.

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                                    AAQjr Feb 19, 2012 08:53 PM

                                    Bless you for having an opinion and not just letting standards slip by quietly. I for one would love to see the way you make Duck confit and yes I've made plenty of duck confit in my time but anytime you have a chance to learn from some one with good experience, listen and make your own judgement. Even when you are wrong its better to do it out loud than to be right in silence.

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                              thimes Feb 18, 2012 04:36 AM

                              all this confit talk made me make confit yesterday. sous vide - 8 legs (salted first) and only used about 3/4 pound of duck fat. So yes that was a little more than a few teaspoons per leg - more than you would have gotten rending fat from just the back and wings for sure - but wayyyyy less that I would have needed to cover them in a pan - and I would challenge you to tell the difference.

                              I love duck confit.

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                                escondido123 Feb 18, 2012 11:03 AM

                                When you are done with the sous vide--that's something I haven't tackled yet--what do you do next? Crisp them up and eat them, store them for awhile or is there another option? Thanks much.

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                                  thimes Feb 18, 2012 02:25 PM

                                  What I do next depends on what I'm doing really. The other night I was making cassoulet so I just pulled off the skin and shredded the meat. I actually froze a few this time since I made 8 and only used 4 in the cassoulet.

                                  But typically yes, I use the fat and crisp them up and eat.

                              2. alkapal Feb 18, 2012 12:11 PM

                                THERE IS THIS THIS SONG… "CONFIT FIGHTERS.' LOL

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGI...

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                                  dalewest Feb 19, 2012 07:59 PM

                                  So, I rendered the back and wings (and some skin) in a dutch oven at about 225F for 6 hours or so. I used some water to try prevent any deep browning/burning. In addition to some extremely tasty shreds of duck meat which I quickly devoured this produced about a bout 1/2 cup or maybe a bit more of duck fat.

                                  On Friday I salted the duck legs and put them uncovered in the bottom of the fridge to cure/kosher. This morning (Sunday) I rinsed them and vac packed them separately with about 3 TB of duck fat each and put them in a 175F water bath for about 10 hours. After that I quick chilled them in an ice bath and now they are back in the fridge.

                                  I will try them out some time this week by crisping and reheating them in a saute. ( Or maybe tonight if I wake up hungry ;-) )

                                  On question though. It is good to reuse duck fat? Not surprisingly it seems there's i more fat in the bags than before I cooked the legs. Can I reserve this duck fat for future confit or general cooking?

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                                    paulj Feb 19, 2012 08:06 PM

                                    Try frying potatoes in the duck fat - at least that's what chefs like Michel Symon rave about.

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                                      BobB Feb 20, 2012 05:03 AM

                                      Yes, as long as you strain it through cheesecloth to remove all particles and make sure there are no water-based juices remaining you can keep it and reuse it for months.

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                                        Bada Bing Feb 20, 2012 05:21 AM

                                        Seconding BobB here. Keep in mind, though, that the fat will have some added flavoring from the salt and any herbs you might have used in the duck curing stage (I use thyme, but it appears that maybe you did not use herbs).

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                                          thimes Feb 20, 2012 06:06 AM

                                          agreed - strain and reuse- if you are reusing it for confit however keep in mind that it will get saltier and saltier after each confit. I only use mine 2-3 times for confit before it gets too salty for my tastes.

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                                            sunshine842 Feb 20, 2012 08:15 AM

                                            oh, use that luscious duck fat for anything!

                                            Fry potatoes in it.
                                            Put a few tablespoons in with a pan of vegetables for roasting (oh, divine)
                                            use it anywhere that you'd use butter or oil (for savoury, please - not so sure it would be good for sweet!)

                                            and yes, keep in mind that it will have salt and herbs if that's how you flavored your confit.

                                            I keep a couple of jars in my fridge at all times.

                                            (and it's high in oleic acid, making it one of the healthier animal fats around -- too much fat of any kind is bad -- but it's nice that something so rich and flavorful isn't instant dietary sin)

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                                              Caroline1 Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM

                                              Yay! I was just re-reading to see if anyone had mentioned how duck fat is good for you. MUCH healthier than chicken fat. So now I feel so saintly when I order anything duck in a Chinese restaurant. '-)

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                                                sunshine842 Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM

                                                the old folks in southwest France swear that the red wine and duck/goose fat are the secrets to their very long lives...so someone did some research, and they're not wrong!

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                                                  Caroline1 Feb 20, 2012 02:14 PM

                                                  Like my mother, "dieting" is a life style. <sigh> A couple of years ago I splurged and bought a duck and cooked it my favorite way, an old '60s Julia Chilld recipe with black olives in a pan sauce. But the sauce tastes soooo much better if you leave twice the duck fat in than the recipe calls for. I felt so guilty, especially since my cardiologist had told me no more butter, JUST olive oil, to which I replied GRASS FED butter AND olive oil! So anyway, I looked up duck fat on the web just to see what sort of cardio crime I was committing. What wonderful news....!!! Healthy!!! Except..... The last couple of times I've cooked a duck, the thought has crossed my mind that it just may have tasted a little better when I thouoght it was forbidden fruit. Why do I have to be THAT human? '-)

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                                                  DeppityDawg Feb 20, 2012 04:39 PM

                                                  What makes it THAT MUCH healthier than chicken fat? According to the USDA, per 100g, duck fat is 30g saturated fat, 49g monounsaturated fat, and 13g polyunsaturated fat. Chicken fat has 30g saturated fat, 45g monounsaturated fat, and 21g polyunsaturated fat. Chicken fat has 85mg of cholesterol, while duck fat has 100mg. Same number of calories, same (small) quantities of vitamin E and selenium…

                                                  (In comparison, olive oil has lots more vitamins and minerals, 13g saturated fat, 74g monounsaturated fat, 10g polyunsaturated fat, and of course no cholesterol.)

                                                  Duck fat is good for you in comparison to butter or lard.

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                                                    Caroline1 Feb 20, 2012 05:15 PM

                                                    From this website: http://greenmarketrecipes.com/poultry...

                                                    "HEALTH BENEFITS OF DUCK FAT
                                                    Duck fat contains 35.7% saturates, 50.5% monounsaturates (high in linoleic acid) and 13.7% polyunsaturated fats.(which contains Omega-6 and Omega-3 essential oils). This compares to olive oil which is: 75% monounsaturated fat (mostly oleic acid) 13% saturated fat and 10% Omega-6 linoleic acid and 2% Omega-3 linoleic acid."

                                                    It's undoubtedly possible to tear this apart and make duck fat sound like toxic waste, but if I'm fooling myself, hey, why not? I LOVE duck....!!! And goose!!!

                                                    1. re: DeppityDawg
                                                      sunshine842 Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM

                                                      it's the oleic acid, Deppity -- seems it's pretty uncommon for it to appear in such high levels in animal fats, and oleic acid (as I understand it) is the stuff that helps lower blood pressure and acts as low-level Drano on the gunk in your arteries. Duck fat rings in at about 40% oleic acid (monounsaturated fat)

                                                      You can overdo on anything, and it's still not AS good as olive oil...but it would appear that enjoying duck fat is one of the more guilt-free animal fats out there.

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                                                        Caroline1 Feb 21, 2012 11:56 AM

                                                        Actually, the oleic acids are pretty high in beef too... But ONLY if it is grass fed! Here's one of many references on the web: http://www.mercola.com/beef/cla.htm
                                                        So you can eat foi gras with marrow bones and call it a healthy diet IF the marrow comes from grass fed beef. What could be better than that?

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                                                          DeppityDawg Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM

                                                          Linoleic acid (the polyunsaturated fat discussed in your link) and oleic acid (which sunshine842 mentioned) are not the same thing.

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                                                            Caroline1 Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM

                                                            Ooop! Maybe I posted the wrong link? Google gave me a bunch. Sorry.

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                                                          DeppityDawg Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM

                                                          Chicken fat has just about the same amount of oleic acid as duck fat. My point is that, given the numbers, duck fat can hardly be described as "MUCH healthier than chicken fat".

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                                                chez cherie Mar 10, 2012 12:01 PM

                                                what a great thread! duck, duck fat and passion!
                                                i'm confitting some pekin legs, using a salt cure and duck fat, of which i have a good amount. i haven't done this in a few years. the legs were well-rubbed with the salt cure 24 hours ago, and they have not thrown off any appreciable moisture. i seem to recall that when i've done this previously, there was a good bit of moisture in the curing pan. should i go another 12 hours or so?

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                                                1. re: chez cherie
                                                  BobB Mar 12, 2012 07:00 AM

                                                  I would say no, they'll get too salty. Rinse them well and into the pot!

                                                2. biggreenmatt Jun 30, 2012 03:05 PM

                                                  Having read the whole thread, now I'm kinda sheepish about asking this question.

                                                  Bought myself three birds today; 4 breasts are being turned into prosciutto, 2 breasts are being grilled (something) and I intend to confit the legs. Fortunately I "acquired" 3 pounds of duck fat from a cooking class a few weeks ago, so there are no issues there.

                                                  Issue is this: I want to store it traditionally, in a jar covered in fat, unrefrigerated. I have lots of fat. Question is: what kind of jar is typically used? Sterilized, I imagine, but I'd also figure it'd be something low and squat so that you're not using more fat in the jar than absolutely required, since duck fat tends to be expensive. Lasts, I understand, about 6 months, unrefrigerated?

                                                  Thoughts appreciated.

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                                                  1. re: biggreenmatt
                                                    Caroline1 Jun 30, 2012 04:28 PM

                                                    Here is a link to the type of jar typically used for confit:

                                                    http://tinyurl.com/79gntwa

                                                    You just want to make certain you get a size that will allow at least a half inch or more of fat above the highest meat surface in the jar. Then store in a cool place with not too much light. It will be stable for a relatively long time, but how long can vary from batch to batch and jar to jar. However, you'll know when it has spoiled! But it takes a lot of determination not to use it up before that happens. Sounds like you're all set for some very good times. Enjoy!

                                                    Edit: By all means, sterilize the jars!!! '-)

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                                                      biggreenmatt Jul 2, 2012 12:47 PM

                                                      Thanks, Caroline!

                                                      Arright, so I cured the suckers yesterday and confited 'em this afternoon- 6 legs at 170F for 6 hours.

                                                      Screwed up the jars, though- got wide-mouthed Mason jars but they weren't big enough. Had to yank out the drumstick bones and stuffed 'em in two per jar. Lots of lovely duck fat to cover and Robert's your father's brother. With no drumstick bones, the birdies are gonna become cassoulet at some date in the future.

                                                      Couple follow-up questions.

                                                      First, I've got lots of excess duck fat left over. Strain, store and reuse?

                                                      Second, besides cassoulet, what other applications would suit mangled (but amazingly tasty) duck besides cassoulet?

                                                      BGM

                                                      PS: after working with duck fat all day, you have no idea how tasty my fingers are right now

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                                                        sunshine842 Jul 2, 2012 01:39 PM

                                                        Yes - strain, store, and reuse the excess fat -- try frying potatoes in it with a little garlic and parsley. YUM. (don't you DARE throw it away!) It keeps for-darned-near-ever in a jar in the fridge.

                                                        You could even just pull the confit out, put it in roasting pan, and throw it in the oven til it crisps up.. just as confit de canard, all by its lonesome self.

                                                        Pull it and use it as the base of an upscale cottage pie (but it's called hachis parmentier de canard at that point)

                                                        find a recipe for rillettes

                                                        shredded over a salad, especially with tasty little rounds of goat cheese.

                                                        The possibilities are endless.

                                                        1. re: biggreenmatt
                                                          Caroline1 Jul 2, 2012 05:41 PM

                                                          Poor Darlin'! All that duck fat on your fingers? Need some help licking them off? Let's see, what to do with duck fat? Well, for fun openers, next time you roast a nice plump chicken, before you put it in the oven, stuff a few cloves of unpeeled garlic in the cavity, then rub the skin very generously with duck fat, season with a bit of salt and pepper and roast the big fat hen. A few roasted potatoes with duck fat are nice too.

                                                          I'll go sunshine's cottage pie one better. Take a generous cake pan -- maybe ten or twelve inches -- and a pack or two of phyllo pastry. Now, when you're working with phyllo, the secret to a crispy-resists-soggy-crust is plenty of butter. Paint a sheet or two at a time liberally with drawn butter, then line the cake pan with six or so layers and make sure there is plenty phyllo hanging over the sides of the pan because later, you'll be folding them up over the top. And don't worry about how it looks because phyllo is very forgiving and will come out of the oven looking great. As you lay in two well buttered sheets of phyllo, before you add the next layer, dip your fingers in a teacup of milk and spatter the milk across the phyllo evenly but not too heavily. The reason for this is it help "glue' the layers together while baking so they don't all crumble away when you serve and eat the finished pastry. You can lay in more than six double layers of phyllo if you're so inclined. This is not a recipe of strict rules. When you have the cake pan well lined, then start setting in colorful layers of not-too-moist vegetables. Spinach that has had most of the moisture pressed out and maybe some small crumbles of feta mixed in, then a layer of... Well, what you're after is layer on layer of vegetables with gorgeous color contrast. With eggplant, use plenty of the purple skin. You can slice carrots in thin coins or strips and lay them on, zuchinni with the bright green skin.. Nice orange winter squash if you can find some. But remember to dry them out as much as you can. If you use oil packed tomatoes, drain them well. The only vegetables I don't use in this concoction are beets (because the color runs) and broccoli (because the flavor dominates). You can use as many vegetables layers as you like, they should be somewhere between a quarter to a half inch deep in the finished dish. Now, somewhere near the middle, cover the whole thing with a nice layer of well season chicken mousse/pate made with duck fat instead of butter. It should be about a half inch deep. Then top it with shredded duck confit. Then a few more layers of the most colorful vegetables. Smooth the top, and now it's time to close this glorious "pie." Bring the phyllo up and over the top. Don't worry about how pretty this part is. To pretty it up, take some sheets of well buttered phyllo and drape or pleat them over the top of the "pie." Or you can cut the phyllo in strips and do a basket weave top. Wrinkle it into a giant rose. Whatever turns you on. Then set it on a cookie sheet and pop it into a warmish hot oven -- about 325F to 350F -- and bake for about 45 minutes or until all of the vegetables are tender. Keep an eye on it and if it starts to get a little too brown, reduce the heat, but you do want tender veggies. Cool and serve at room temperature cut into standard "pie"slices. If you're not serving it within an hour after reaching room temperature, refrigerate it until needed, but bring it to room temperature before serving. Everyone will go, "Ooooooh!" And it will be delicious! Oh, and if you have a spring form pan, that works better than a cake pan because you just take the sides off without disturbing your gorgeous top crust! And don't forget to email me a nice big slice!

                                                          Other fun things to do with duck fat: Well, if you're in an absolutely decadent mood, you can bring it to a liquidy room temperature and use it to make an aioli. Damn the arteries and full speed ahead! Use it to make pie dough for a savory quiche. It's great in a gratin of potatoes or even mashed. Duck croutons for a salad... My goodness, I'm getting fat(ter) just sitting here thinking of all of these things. You've got a party on your hands! Have fun!

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