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Is there ANY decent pizza on the UWS?!

This is Manhattan - a pizza Mecca. Its frankly embarrassing. There is NO decent pizza I've been able to find on the UWS (70s-100~). I feel like I've left no stone unturned but if someone has any suggestions I may have missed I'm down. NB: I'm not looking for an Italian sit down place that happens to have pizza on the menu; looking for just a run of the mill (but good) pizza place.

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  1. I always liked Sal & Carmines at Broadway and 102nd. Have you tried that?

    Sal & Carmine's
    2671 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

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    1. re: ForestHillsFresser

      Sal & Carmines is the best you'll find above 96th Street. Too bad they don't deliver.

      1. re: PesachBenSchlomo

        Yeah, I think its decent but then there is the delivery dilemma. Anything above 70 would do!

    2. I've had the same problem! So far since we moved to the area, we have tried (delivery):
      Pete's Pizza -- not great, and half the time the cheese shift to one side of the pie during delivery
      Daniello's -- blah
      Mama's -- was ok, but still not what I am searching for.

      While we like Two Boots from time to time, I really would like to find a great delivery pizza spot that is simply traditional NYC pizza. Although, we'd like to find any delivery spot at this point, as we have been fairly underwhelmed.

      70 W 95th St, New York, NY 10025

      Mama's Pizzeria
      941 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10025

      Pizza Pete's
      528 Columbus Ave, New York, NY 10024

      Two Boots
      2547 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

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      1. re: Pago77

        Bar Cotto on Columbus 84/85 has really good pizza. I don't think they deliver but you can get it to go. Also Dean's on West 85th, off Broadway, makes excellent pizza and they do deliver.

        Dean's Pizzeria
        215 W 85th St, New York, NY 10024

        513 Columbus Ave, New York, NY 10024

      2. Cesars on Amsterdam. Its very good grab a slice or 2 sometime they are huge $2.75

        Caesar's Palace Pizza
        493 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

        1. i live on 72nd and often order from City Pie. they're not destination worthy, but their pies are decent. best i've found nearby.

          there's a new place opening on 75th & Broadway (or so). can't remember the name, but the manager at Keste seems to think it's a good shop. i think they're the same guys that run the pizza shop at Eataly.

          City Pie
          166 W 72nd St, New York, NY 10023

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          1. re: coasts

            Wow. East or west side of Broadway?

            1. re: uwsgrazer

              Northwest corner. I've googled for the name but came up empty.

              1. re: coasts

                Thanks. I'll try to have a look the next time I'm in the neighborhood. I'll report back on any findings.

            2. re: coasts

              New place will be called Fratelli la Bufala. It is on the NW corner at 76th. Looks like it is a ways away from ready to open (rough lumber inside at this point) Sign on the construction shed tells of brothers who traveled the world learning pizza....

              Fratelli La Bufala
              2161 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

              1. re: dyrewolf

                Fratelli la Bufala is now open and has been busy! i'm yet to try it, but did walk in on opening night. Major improvement on the space, as it's almost impossible to see anything remnant of Niko's. Plenty of interesting dishes on the menu, but everything seems to be a few dollars more than desired for a neighborhood place. anxious to try it. anyone been?

                1. re: coasts

                  It is a chain. It is nothing so special. Maybe if you eat rubbish and it is best in the area, you insist on it being within 2 blocks, etc. you might say it is 'great' or one of the many overused adjectives of praise that proliferate on these boards.
                  But it is not that. It should be decent to good though. And I don't know the prices at this location. They are actually not bad in South Beach for this type of pizza(and the location) so maybe the same in NYC.

                  1. re: coasts

                    I agree on Sal and Carmine and City Pie as the best we have for regular, grab a slice pizza on the UWS.

                    Here's my two cents on Fratelli la Bufala:

                    As a resident, I had been looking forward to their opening. I am hoping they read their reviews because I'd like to see them improve.

                    After we were given a 20 minute wait estimate around 8pm on their 2nd night in business, we waited outside near the door. We were told by others waiting that there was a plate of samples on the counter inside . My friend and I walked in to snag a bite. When my friend very sweetly asked the heavy-set man behind the counter, who was kneading the dough, if these were samples, he glared at us in a way that was scarier than the zombies we saw in the film A Cabin in the Woods later that night. He was downright cold, bitter and nasty. It was so blatantly inappropriate that it was shocking. When my friend politely repeated and pointed at the plate, he glared again and then finally brought himself to say (very nastily), "No English". Okay, now. A welcoming gesture and nod, with arm stretched to motion, "Please help yourself" would have been nice.

                    So we went back outside (yes, to wait) thinking we can't give up on the place based on one nasty person but someone should have really sent him home because he clearly did not belong there in the window as the first person customers see when they pass by and/or walk in. Maybe just having a bad day.

                    After waiting well over 30 minutes, we asked for the status of our wait and were told they had already called us?!!?! That could not have been possible b/c we were all standing outside, near the door with the other customers and there weren't that many waiting. Mistakes happen. Not a problem.

                    We were seated (very tight spot as all tables are placed very close to each other), and were promptly given menus and water. We sat for quite a bit of time until a nice gentleman next to us heard us review our menu selections. "They are only serving pizza and salad," he said. "Yup, they didn't tell us either."

                    I eat out a lot and I've been to many new restaurants. Perfectly fine if they are not yet ready to offer the entire menu but a sign is typically posted on the restaurant's window and/or the entire menu may not be provided (unless unavailable items are marked off) to guests. At the very least, customers are typically told when reserving a table or when they are seated.

                    So we walked out b/c my friend was craving pasta. I will give them another chance but I really hope their service greatly improves. Based on what others are saying on other websites, it's a genuine problem and, from what I'm hearing and have experienced myself , it is actually far worse than the experiences I've had in other new places. I agree it has potential (based on the menu and food quality) but if the service does not improve, they will never gain a loyal customer base which will likely result in a decline in food quality b/c they will need to cut costs.

                  2. re: dyrewolf

                    It's a chain. I ate at the one in London last week. Pretty good, not outstanding.

                2. The two best we've found in the 80s are Dean's and Primo Pizza 84 on 84th b/w columbus and CPW.
                  Sal and Carmine's is also excellent as mentioned above.

                  Dean's Pizzeria
                  215 W 85th St, New York, NY 10024

                  Primo Pizza 84
                  57 W 84th St, New York, NY 10024

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                  1. re: jaba

                    I second Primo Pizza 84! If you're not looking for them, you'd never see the location and I am grateful to the friends who took me there to introduce me to the place. Salad pizza sounds bizare, but it is fantastic! As it the BBQ pizza.

                  2. I think Patsy's in the lower 70s off Columbus is pretty good, if you like brick-oven, thin-crust pizza. They only serve whole pies, though, and I don't know if it would count as a "sit down place" as opposed to "run of the mill"

                    Patsy's Pizzeria
                    61 W 74th St, New York, NY 10023

                    1. I'm a big fan of Giovanni's on the corner of Columbus and 110th. I've only had the plain so that's all I can comment on.


                      1011 Columbus Ave, New York, NY 10025

                      1. Granddaisy Bakery has very delicious pizza, although it is not a pizza parlor and theirs is not a traditional pie. The butternut squash pizza is my favorite but there are several varieties. It is next door to Grays's Papaya; the address is 176 West 72nd Street.

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                        1. re: neu

                          Granddaisy's has a tender (some would say limp) crust, and is served at room temperature. It might not fit most people's criteria for pizza.

                        2. Has anyone been to Koronet? It's on Broadway and 111th and I've wanted to go for a while. Unfortunately, I don't get up to the Upper West Side too often, so I haven't been yet.

                          One slice is around $3.50 and the size of at least two slices, supposedly. Might be worth checking out, because I've heard good things!


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                          1. re: AdrienneK

                            Koronet is OK but definitely quantity>>>>quality.

                            Sal & Carmines is over-rated: OK but pretty generic ny slices w/mediocre toppings (ducks)

                            City Pie is straight-up mediocre.

                            T&R on Amsterdam/80 is better than City Pie but a bit greasy.

                            Patsy's on 74 and Dean's are the best whole-pie spots, virtually identical. both deliver.

                            Fratelli la Bufala: we went last week, service was a bit rough but nothing like the horror stories I heard about the opening weekend and no wait, we walked in and sat down at 7:00PM. the pizza was good if not transcendent (as Ed Levine would say). the crust is chewy, almost bready, very different from NY style. I would compare it to Mozza in LA, if anybody's been there. I'll go back.

                            1. re: mcoleman

                              I agree about Sal & Carmines. I haven't been recently, because the last time I went several years ago the pizza slices were barely edible -- dried out and not at all tasty. Okay, maybe we should have checked to see if they looked as if they had been sitting around, though I'm not sure they necessarily looked so bad. Bottom-line, we should have never been served the slices in the first place

                            2. re: AdrienneK

                              I kinda despise Koronet. I find it extremely greasy with way too much cheese. The only thing it has going for it are their large slices, which at the end of the day, is a silly gimmick.

                              They also got a B on their last health inspection which is pretty pitiful. It takes a lot of violations not to get an A. I don't think they've even bothered to appeal it, which tells me they just really don't care.

                              1. re: von_levi

                                Hmm... that's good to know. I've heard so much about it, and included it as a place worth trying in my cheap pizza app. B grades don't bother me as much as they should though. Anyway, maybe I'll try it this weekend and see for myself.

                                1. re: AdrienneK

                                  its drunk time pizza. fairly grim.

                            3. It's not classic pizza, but I like the slices (which are square) at La Grolla pizzeria on Amsterdam bet. 79 & 80. There's good variety and one $3.50 slice is just about enough for a light lunch. I don't see it mentioned much here.

                              1. Sal and carmines is great, and so is V and T on Amsterdam and 111.

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                                1. re: upperwestchowmom

                                  Sadly, Sal and Carmine's has gone drastically downhill over the last year, since one of the owners passed away. V & T's is ok. Koronet has been nominated (on other threads) as among the worst pizza in NYC, and I agree.
                                  My vote in this neighborhood (where I live) would be for Buca (201 W 103rd), a small brick oven place that makes excellent Neapolitan pies. No slices.

                                  1. re: strangemd

                                    I was just going to if anyone had tried Buca. I haven't tried it, but would like to get some other opinions- since it's very close to me.

                                    1. re: strangemd

                                      We checked out Buca last night. We really wanted to like it as it's a nice little place with great prices (which is all-too-rare on the UWS). The crust was great - not at all soupy in the middle like other Neopolitan places. However, the sauce and toppings were quite flavorless. Adding salt helped some but not much. We had the margherita and the tartufata.

                                  2. Not a pizzeria, but Celeste makes it pretty well.
                                    It ain't like home made or Brklyns best, but better than most.

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                                    1. re: Fritz

                                      That's a great point. I really like the Napoletana (anchovies, capers, and tomato sauce - no cheese).

                                    2. After resigning myself to eating mediocre City Pie pizza for the last few years I have discovered two respectable pizza joints in the low 70's.
                                      For a sit down or delivery single person pizza with a very thin Roman-style crust (full disclosure: I'm from Rome so that's what I crave - pizza purists flame away), Gina La Fornarina does a very respectable job, though it's way too expensive for what you get. Still - cravings need to be satisfied on occasion.
                                      For a grab-and-go slice, though I would never have guessed it, Little Italy Pizza on Amsterdam b/w 70th & 71st is great. IMO it's by far the best slice in the neighborhood with a surprisingly thin and crunchy crust that somewhat approaches what I might get back home. And I suspect the reason I was so pleasantly surprised is that the guys making the pizzas are mostly from Egypt and many, many Roman pizzerie are staffed by, you guessed it, egyptians. Just a theory - but very happy to have these guys around.

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                                        1. re: snaporaz

                                          My favorite!!!! The margherita is amazing.

                                          1. re: rkaene

                                            don't any of you jokesters know about cesars? huge ny slice for 2.75!

                                        2. I am a big fan of Perfecto's at 92nd and Broadway - it is attached to a Greek place. Very good NY pizza by the slice. As others have said before me, it is critical to distinguish between "pizza by the slice" type pizza and more brick oven style pizza with a crispier crust.

                                          1. I agree with most of the posts. Not sure about the neapolitan style pizzas but for a decent (and I stress decent) slice, big nick's on bway in the 70's is as good as it gets up here. Unfortunate, I realize.

                                            1. there is no decent food, period, on the UWS...with the possible exception of Boulud Sud, which is below 70th...

                                              it's an embarassing culinary desert...i lived on 68th/CPW for a few months once, and while i loved the proximity to the Park and the Met Opera, i can't tell you how many times i cabbed downtown at even 9pm just to get some decent food...

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                                              1. re: Simon

                                                I live on 95th just off CPW, and I agree, the eating out options are fairly abysmal, however, I am reasonably delighted by the meat and produce options (Fairway, Citarella, Zabar's etc). My wife and I regularly head downtown to eat. If it wasn't for the proximity to the park, I'd head downtown in a heartbeat.

                                                As far as pizza goes - Daniello's is very meh.
                                                Have heard great things about Sal and Carmines.

                                                The recs on this thread are really helpful. I'll have to give them a try sometime when i don't feel like a 30 minute cab ride for dinner.

                                                1. re: r32nissan

                                                  True, the grocery stores are good. And there a few places either just north of 100th (e.g. indus Valley) or south of 70th (Boulud Sud). But otherwise it's a bit shocking.

                                                  1. re: Simon

                                                    I agree that there are slim pickings but there are some solid places to eat. I feel Indus Valley has been beaten down to above average by other Indian restaurants opening and offering takeout deals.

                                                    - Gabriella's is good Mexican
                                                    - Gennaro is solid Italian though the menu never changes and the portions keep getting smaller
                                                    - Dean's and Patsy's are very good brick oven, sit-down pizza places. I believe both are owned by Patsy's which also owns Angelo's.
                                                    - Primo Pizza is great by the slice
                                                    - Good Enough to Eat
                                                    - The Mermaid Inn
                                                    - Fred's
                                                    - Land is passable thai
                                                    - Asia Kan is ok neighborhood sushi. Yuki used to be great but closed.
                                                    - Sushi of Gari
                                                    - Ouest
                                                    - Fairway upstairs used to be a decent standby (if a couple dollars overpriced). Since the grocery store declines and has had cleanliness problems, we don't eat there.

                                                    I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

                                                    Obviously it's not the LES but I think you're being a bit unfair.

                                                    1. re: Vervet

                                                      and yet not a single one of those places would make a realistic list of the best 100 places to eat in NYC (imo none would even make a list of the best 250)...pathetic for a very large Manhattan neighborhood that's home to the best classical music venues, wonderful architecture, cultural institutions, etc in the city...

                                                      (and the two which some others might root for -- Sushi of Gari, which i personally despise, and Mermaid Inn -- are spinoffs of lame original places in other neighborhoods)...

                                                      No one should eat in the UWS unless they are forced to do so...

                                                      1. re: Vervet

                                                        I live on the UWS and was already depressed by the eating options. Thanks for depressing me more.

                                                2. I second the V&T. The key is to ask that they make it well done.

                                                  1. Has anyone been to the new Koronet up on 172nd St? I know it's higher than the Upper West Side, but worth asking.