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Robinson88 Feb 8, 2012 02:27 PM

Hi all, can anyone identify the brand of this pan please?

It's from a clip in the fantastic Masterchef: The Professionals tv series that showed late last year. It was the kind of introductory clip they played before M Roux would show one of his classic recipes for them to try and emulate. I paused an episode on iPlayer to get the photo below.

Thanks for any help!

 
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    Dave5440 RE: Robinson88 Feb 8, 2012 04:20 PM

    From that picture all I can tell it's a DeBuyer product

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      Robinson88 RE: Dave5440 Feb 9, 2012 05:06 AM

      Cheers Dave.

      Not sure that it is De Buyer, or Mauviel for that matter, though unless I'm not aware of this line of product. It looks like a well-used copper saute, that's clear, but the handle looks flatter/wider than the standard cast iron handle you get on a lot of copper cookware, doesn't it?

      Any help would be much appreciated, someone I know really wants one as a present but I can't seem to find it anywhere!

      Thanks

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        MikeG RE: Robinson88 Feb 9, 2012 05:42 AM

        To some extent I think the handle looks a bit wider than it really is due to the camera angle. I can't see that pan well enough to even hazard a serious guess as to it's brand, but I do think my Mauviel saucepan would a lot like that one if photographed from a similar angle.

        Edit: I was just poking around on the Mauviel website a bit and it looks like the handles on the "M'heritage 150C" line might be a little flatter than some of their others, which would also make them appear wider, too.

    2. kaleokahu RE: Robinson88 Feb 9, 2012 07:35 AM

      Hi, Robinson:

      It is difficult, if not impossible, to tell. It looks vintage to me, machine-turned, perhaps unplanished. So you're looking at something that is IMO c1900-1940. It's not necessarily French, either. If that is true, the maker could have been any one of many, e.g., Jacquotot, Gaillard, Jaeggi, Elkington, Benham & Froud, Mora, Belgique, one of the old European makers in several countries. For that matter, it could be American: Bramhall Range, American Range, Duparquet, Barth, etc. Even if a knowledgeable collector held it in their hands, they might not be able to identify the maker without a mark, but if we could see the handle flange and rivets, one could hazard an educated guess.

      Your OP points up what I think is a very important lesson: Aside from a collector's perspective, *it doesn't matter* what the brand is. If it's sound, thick, well-assembled and -proportioned, and the handle is ergonomic, it's a treasure regardless of maker. I shake my head sometimes when I see a table-service Mauviel fetch hundreds on eBay, while vintage premier-grade pans with no mark go for a song or don't sell at all. These grand old pans can remain enigmas, and they're still just as grand. Perhaps like women, they're more beautiful if they retain a little mystery.

      I am equally interested in the cooktop pictured. What is that?

      Aloha,
      Kaleo

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        Robinson88 RE: kaleokahu Feb 9, 2012 12:04 PM

        Thanks Kaleo, you seem to know your stuff. Do you know if it's possible to get copper sautes with strip steel handles, like you see on a lot of (if not all), say, black iron pans? They all seem to have the bulky cast iron, I can't seem to find any that have the plain and simple strip steel.

        Cheers

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          kaleokahu RE: Robinson88 Feb 9, 2012 09:40 PM

          Hi, Robinson:

          You are welcome.

          Strip steel handles? Not that I'm aware of. There was a line of $$$ copperware called Taverna by a Danish designer Georg Jensen that was sold in the 1970s that employed SS handles stamp-formed from sheetstock. Occasionally you will find strip handles on thin early American and European pans (and more widely on lollipop lids),but they are almost always wrought iron.

          I have to ask: Why would you want strip handles? The bulk and weight of stout cast iron handles bring several advantages, not the least of which is rigid strength. Looking again at the photo, I'm not sure the handle isn't cast.

          Aloha,
          Kaleo

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            Robinson88 RE: kaleokahu Feb 10, 2012 11:57 AM

            Thanks Kaleo. Strip steel, I guess, just because it looks simpler and the lighter weight makes the pan a bit more versatile. I see what you mean from the photo, could be cast. This has become quite a challenge to find out what this pan is. The BBC, who made the programme, don't have an email address for these kind of random queries, so maybe we'll never know! Have taken a look at your suggestions and the Gaillard stuff looks fantastic.

            Cheers

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              alarash RE: Robinson88 Feb 18, 2012 09:47 AM

              Dear Robinson,

              The only high quality manufacturer of copper cookware using strip steel handles that is still in business of whom I am aware is legion utensils.

              http://www.legionindustries.com/store...

              The Danish makers of the retro-modern steel lined stuff (Cohr, Georg Jensen's Taverna, etc) also used strip steel, but they are rare and expensive.

              Best wishes,

              alarash

               
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                alarash RE: alarash Feb 18, 2012 10:09 AM

                Sorry I meant SILVER lined Cohr and Georg Jensen Taverna.

                And I don't know why I can't seem to upload my photos of these. I'll try again later...

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                  rbraham RE: alarash May 29, 2012 07:25 PM

                  Old stock legion is called scavullo, right?

                  It's good? Thickness, with iron handles?

                  Rob

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                    alarash RE: rbraham May 29, 2012 07:37 PM

                    Legion Utensils does sometimes have the name SCAVULLO written in cursive under their circular mark. I don't know if this was particular to a certain era? or certain cookware shapes?

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                  alarash RE: Robinson88 Feb 18, 2012 09:50 AM

                  Here are Cohr and Georg Jensen's Taverna

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                    alarash RE: alarash Feb 18, 2012 01:35 PM

                    let's try this again...

                    group of 4 is COHR, the other two sauce pans are georg jensen

                    all are lined in silver

                     
                     
                     
          2. Zeldog RE: Robinson88 Feb 9, 2012 06:44 PM

            This looks a lot like your mystery pan (except for the loop handle), but the handles are brass, not steel. It could be the lighting in the photo. Hard to say with the oven window and all.

            Stamped steel is cheap but much easier to bend or break than cast iron or brass. I'd be surprised if any maker used it on a high quality copper pan intended to last generations. And if this is your pan, note the thickness (1 to 2 mm). I wonder which areas are 1 mm thick. A good copper pan will be 2 to 2.5 mm throughout. I don't know if it's an industry standard, but according to the Mauviel web site, cast iron is used for handles on their thickest pans, stainless on the mid-grade, and bronze on the thinnest.

            http://cottonandcopper.com/sub_produc...

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              Robinson88 RE: Zeldog Feb 10, 2012 12:04 PM

              Great find Zeldog, appreciate your effort. Could well be brass. I see what you mean - if you're going to manufacture a copper pan, might as well put on an expensive handle too. I just think the strip steel style of handle you get on the cheaper, work horses of the kitchen, the carbon steel pans, looks better.

              The pan in the picture is definitely copper isn't it? Think it's possible to get the strip steel handle on aluminium/ss straight-walled sautes?

              Cheers.

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                ellabee RE: Robinson88 Feb 10, 2012 04:45 PM

                :: I just think the strip steel style of handle you get on the cheaper, work horses of the kitchen, the carbon steel pans, looks better. ::

                You're in a distinct minority, and those strip handles are painful to work with into the bargain.

            2. sbp RE: Robinson88 Feb 10, 2012 12:16 PM

              I think it's Bourgeat. I have one. Hard to be sure because of the picture fuzziness.

              1. sbp RE: Robinson88 Feb 10, 2012 12:22 PM

                Here's a photo from Matfer Bourgeat website. You can just make out the handle shape.

                 
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                  Robinson88 RE: sbp Feb 10, 2012 12:39 PM

                  Thanks for your input sbp. I'm not sure it's anymore a Bourgeat than it is a Mauviel or a De Buyer - they're pretty much all the same aren't they? There's no curve in before the hole in the end of the handle, if anything, the handle looks like it gets ever so slightly wider all the way along doesn't it...maybe the photo's distorted, I don't know.

                  Anyone out there work in the library clips department of the BBC!?

                  Cheers

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                    alarash RE: sbp Feb 18, 2012 09:41 AM

                    Dear sbp,

                    I agree that the pan in the OP may be a bourgeat, but I only their lower end line, available at sears online and pictured below (though the handle seems to have gentle concave contour all along it's length, which I think makes it less likely to be the pan in the OP).

                    I do not believe the pan in the OP to be a matfer bourgeat professional line pan as you have pictured, because the countour of the loop is flared/rounded in the professional line (see the picture attached). Also, the pro line of bourgeat has a curled lip, but the pan in the OP does not.

                    Best wishes,

                    alarash

                     
                     
                  2. alarash RE: Robinson88 Feb 18, 2012 09:27 AM

                    Hi Robinson,

                    The pan is copper, perhaps of average thickness.

                    The edges of the pan are straight, not curled.

                    The lining is difficult to assess (tin, nickel, silver, stainless), but in 2011 (since it aired late last year) odds are it is stainless, but who knows.

                    The handle to me appears to be oxidized brass, perhaps not quite dark enough to be iron, and definitely not steel.

                    The contour of the handle does slightly widen as it approaches the loop. At the loop of the handle, the sides of the loop run nearly parallel, rather than ballooning outward to become more circular.

                    Based on these findings, I believe the pan to be Mauviel Cuprinox Pour la Table 1.6mm 1.9 qt. Copper Saute Pan.

                    My next guess would be an older generation of dehillerin from the 1940's-1960's which had a similar profile of the loop on the handle, but that is a rare pan.

                    I agree with Kaleo, though, that the brand doesn't really matter when it comes to performance, unless you are in love with the styling and shape of the one in the picture, which would then make it important, of course.

                    Best wishes,

                    alarash

                     
                     
                     
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                      Robinson88 RE: alarash Feb 19, 2012 04:48 AM

                      Hi alarash, that's great, thanks for all your input. You could possibly have a match there with the Cuprinox Pour la Table, it's very similar at least.

                      I agree with both you and Kaleo - brand is not important (was only important here as a way of identifying a certain pan, indeed knowing the brand is fundamentally linked to the task of identification(!)).

                      Cheers!

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