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MGZ Feb 1, 2012 06:09 AM

Rice Wine for Braised Pork Dish

There is a recipe for Braised Pork in Soy Sauce I am interested in trying (I have added a link to it at the bottom of the page for reference). I am curious as to suggestions for what to use for the rice wine called for in it. How important do you think the rice wine is? Is an inexpensive saki a good way to go or should I seek out something else? Also, what might be some suggestions for substitutions? I do not think that sherry is really a good option as it's flavor structure is just too distinct.

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/22/1454683...

  1. MGZ Feb 3, 2012 04:40 AM

    I appreciate the discussion to which you have all contributed. Ultimately, it led me to spending quite a bit of time looking into information concerning rice wines in general. As usual, I realized that one must kiss quite a few frogs on the web before finding any princes of information. At least now I am better informed about the various types of Chinese rice wines.

    I approached the dish maintaining the notion that it was created by peasants struggling through the Cultural Revolution. Consequently, I had no problem substituting a clear 16% saki for shaoxing, as the latter appears to be a "fancier" product and the former closer to what I understand mijiu to be. It does seem that a sort of "brewing" is utilized in much rice wine production.

    The dish was fantastic and I intend to make it again. I did reduce the sugar to 3 tablespoons (which still seemed like a lot) and added a couple of dried red chiles to the braising liquid. Additionally, I increased the braising time to about an hour though the recipe states 30 minutes and the audio recording 45.

    1. m
      magiesmom Feb 1, 2012 12:23 PM

      I recently made a braised pork shoulder dish with caramelized sugar, soy sauce , ginger. i used a very dry sherry which was fabulous in it; you couldn't taste it as sherry but it balanced the other flavors beautifully. People were discreetly licking their plates ;=)

      1. paulj Feb 1, 2012 09:45 AM

        The recipe reminds of me of 'red cooked' dishes, which usually don't have rice wine. But this recipe has more sugar (as much as soy sauce).

        1. Gio Feb 1, 2012 09:23 AM

          I've cooked through various Chinese and other Asian cookbooks with the COTM group and dry sherry is always listed as a substitute for Shaoshing rice wine. Frankly, I think sherry loses some it's distinctive flavor when used in conjunction with Asian ingredients...

          1. t
            travelerjjm Feb 1, 2012 09:02 AM

            Most of the time, when "rice wine" is called for in Chinese recipes it is Shaoshing (Xao Xing) which is a "yellow wine". It tastes fantastic warm. Sake is not a substitute. Sake is technically a beer (it is brewed) and tastes totally different.

            Buy Shaoshing at a liquor store. Be careful of the stuff at Asian markets -- some is "cooking wine" and thus has lots of salt added so you won't drink it. Sherry is an acceptable substitute and has somewhat similar flavor.

            1. JungMann Feb 1, 2012 07:49 AM

              The rice wine is going to balance out the dish, otherwise it ends up being salty and greasy. Sake will be fine. I'd use either that or shaoxing.

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              1. re: JungMann
                ipsedixit Feb 1, 2012 07:53 AM

                Ditto.

                And I'm not sure why sherry would be a bad idea from the OP's perspective.

                1. re: JungMann
                  MGZ Feb 1, 2012 08:08 AM

                  I absolutely agree that an acidic liquid is necessary. My problem is that I am basically limited to a few low end sakis in my local liquor stores. No other rice wines are available. I'd be willing to make a trip if something else would really benefit the dish, but that didn't seem likely.

                  As to sherry, I am actually a fan of drinking it. On the other hand, I find it's taste very distinctive and recognizable when cooked into a dish. Somehow, that noticeable sherry flavor seems inappropriate given the genesis of the dish.

                  1. re: MGZ
                    MikeG Feb 1, 2012 09:14 AM

                    I think sherry is a better substitute, actually more in the "spirit" of a strong, dark-flavored, braised meat dish dish than sake. While made differently from completely different base ingredients, I think the overall flavor profile of a heavier, drier sherry is more like xiao hsing than sake is.

                    1. re: MikeG
                      JungMann Feb 1, 2012 09:33 AM

                      Mike, I think you give a good description of sherry and shaoxing. But whereas both have a heavier flavor, sake has a lighter that I appreciate, particularly when combined with soy and sugar (and usually dashi).

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