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Perilagu Khan Jan 28, 2012 10:25 AM

In my home state of Texas whenever somebody says they are fixin' a pot o' beans you can be darned sure they'll be pintos. I'm given to understand, however, that that's not the case across the whole US of A.

So what about where you live and/or grew up? What were and are the default beans?

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    brucesw Feb 3, 2012 10:36 PM

    Grew up along the TX coast with a Mother from Michigan, both her parents from Michigan and she was taught to cook by her grandmother -- default beans in our family were navies, which I loved, and limas, which I hated. We also had green beans, very occasionally baked beans, which I disliked almost as much as limas (and still do - I'm okay with limas now); all these were made 'from scratch.' Then there were Van Camp's pork and beans out of a can and English peas, also often out of a can. We had black eyed peas very seldom because Dad disliked them.

    If she ever made pintos I don't remember it but her navy bean soup was a childhood favorite.

    Default beans culturally are of course pintos, with Mexican and BBQ, and, in third place here in SE TX, perhaps, red camelia beans for red beans and rice.

    My own personal favs are fava and black/turtle beans.

    1. rozz01 Feb 3, 2012 07:42 PM

      When I was a kid in South Carolina it was alway black eyed peas... ate so much one time that I got sick and couldn't eat them for years. Here in Iowa it always seem to be kidney beans...

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        lyri Feb 3, 2012 05:00 AM

        The default here (Puerto Rico) is pink or red. We also have a serious relationship with garbanzos, especially with pig legs (feet?), but if you ask for a plate of rice and beans, it will most likely be pink beans, maybe red, and most definitely stewed in a tomato sauce with ham and probably pumpkin.

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          pine time Feb 2, 2012 02:14 PM

          It was "soup beans and cornbread" growing up in KY, and that always meant pintos. I never heard of/ate black beans until I was an adult, after moving far away. Wish I could find fresh cranberry beans here, but I still make great pots full of green beans (and grow them) sans cranberry beans.

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            Perilagu Khan Feb 2, 2012 02:43 PM

            Seems to me black beans didn't properly invade the US cuisine scene until the 90s, although I'm sure they were fairly common in south Florida long before that.

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              sunshine842 Feb 2, 2012 11:40 PM

              Black beans came to Florida from Cuba in the early 19th century in the first mass immigration from that country (just prior to the Spanish-American war). (Not arguing, just padding out the information)

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                soupkitten Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM

                that isn't true. the old recipes that include "turtle beans" are calling for black beans. black beans were supposed to resemble the flavor of turtle meat, and so they were a common "poor man's" substitute when turtle stew etc. were popular, in the 19th-early 20th centuries.

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                  Perilagu Khan Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM

                  Perhaps they fell out of fashion between 1930 and 1990 because I sure don't remember black beans being the least bit popular in the 70s and 80s.

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                    sunshine842 Feb 3, 2012 01:03 PM

                    I know they'd hid the big time by the late 80s, because I remember giggling (and pissing off my host) when I walked into a gourmet food store in Detroit to find huge display of Goya black beans and yellow rice dinner piled on a big table right inside the front door.

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                      Perilagu Khan Feb 3, 2012 01:45 PM

                      Gourmet food store in Detroit? I didn't think that possible. ;)

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                        sunshine842 Feb 3, 2012 02:16 PM

                        It was in A2, technically.

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                      soupkitten Feb 3, 2012 10:49 PM

                      i don't know if i could tell you for sure, or maybe it's regional. i seem to remember black beans in cuban and mexican restaurants and in 7-bean soups at friends' houses. but i was born in 1975 so, truly, i don't know what i really recall re: preponderance of black beans in the 70s and 80s. one thing about my area is that folks love their co-ops and are big on the dried bulk foods, including many types of beans.

              2. YAYME Feb 1, 2012 05:51 AM

                My Mom was a bean lover so I got every bean there was! Me I like kidney and black beans. :D

                1. mamachef Jan 31, 2012 10:17 AM

                  My mom found Anasazi beans in the 80's and never looked back. I love cranberry beans meself, and I have no aversion to white beans or Pintos either, but then I'm a beanlover.

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                    Perilagu Khan Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM

                    "I'm a Beanlover"--wasn't that a hit for the Monkees back in '66?

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                      sunshine842 Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM

                      nah - it was written by Neil Diamond, who's well-known for his aversion to beans -- it's I'm A Bean-Leaver.

                      (please note poster's tongue inserted firmly in cheek - I have no idea of Mr. Diamond eats beans or not)

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                        bbqboy Jan 31, 2012 04:02 PM

                        With Ham Hocks, but don't tell Ms. Striesand

                      2. re: Perilagu Khan
                        mamachef Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM

                        Ah, you betcha. Along with "Beanlove w/ me" by the Archies. :)

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                      zzDan Jan 31, 2012 12:39 AM

                      In my locale the black bean is the default but...
                      My default bean to cook is the chickpea. It is the ultimate bean because it is the least prone to melt down into that sauce you get with most other beans such as the beans you use in chili. Yeah I cook white beans, black beans, red beans other beans too. Nothing wrong with the other beans but chickpeas have the most integrity and are the most grain like. I believe I could live on them for a few weeks in a survivalist situation. They are the most solid and stolid beans. When I cook them they get real soft (with pressure cooker) but never make that bean sauce. I have to mash them a bit to get that sauce and do that sometimes. If anyone has gotten "sauce" from chickpeas without mashing a few, please let me know

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                        Perilagu Khan Jan 31, 2012 09:07 AM

                        Where's your locale, if I may ask.

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                          zzDan Feb 1, 2012 09:59 AM

                          Miami area... I am a bean and grain theoretician and philosophizer. (joking a bit)
                          The best grain (health wise) is whole wheat for Europeans and brown rice for most East Asians. This is a generalization. I am well aware that in parts of China wheat is the main grain. Even millet in some places. Corn made into masa being best for those of AmerIndian heritage. Masa being superior to plain ground corn such as you make polenta from

                          I am of Euro heritage from where wheat and rye breads were the life sustaining main food. I am from places where a slice of rye bread that you rubbed a clove of raw garlic onto was a childhood treat. A little butter even more of a treat. Where after the grain harvest the children would walk across the fields barefoot on the remaining stubble. Barefoot to save their shoe leather (everyone was poor) plus I believe they were looking for grain dropped in the harvesting. All this was related to me by family friends from Poland who are now gone.

                          I will brag and say that I practice what I preach. Bake my own wheat and rye breads, usually unleavened. No yeast but let to rise another way. In fact rising right now to be baked tonight.

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                            Perilagu Khan Feb 1, 2012 11:40 AM

                            Good rye bread always has been and always will be a treat to me. With or without the garlic clove.

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                              zzDan Feb 1, 2012 04:04 PM

                              Orale! (you might have to look that up)
                              Rye is the poor man's wheat. It will grow on more marginal soils and in harsher climates. It's a northern grain while wheat is grown in a wider range of climates

                              wiki
                              "Rye is grown primarily in Eastern, Central and Northern Europe. The main rye belt stretches from northern Germany through Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and Latvia into central and northern Russia. Rye is also grown in North America (Canada and the USA), in South America (Argentina, Brazil), in Turkey, in Kazakstan and in northern China."

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                                Perilagu Khan Feb 2, 2012 07:28 AM

                                Ever sample rye whisky? I have not but am sporting enough to give it a shot--so to speak.

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                                  emeats Feb 2, 2012 07:37 AM

                                  According to Wikipedia, American rye whisky has a lot more actual rye than Canadian (which surprises me, because Canadian whisky is often just called "rye", dropping the "whisky" altogether)

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                                    zzDan Feb 2, 2012 02:33 PM

                                    Yes Jim Bean Rye whiskey .... Bought a few bottles ~8 years ago but avoid the hard stuff these days. It's just good whiskey with a slightly different taste. IOW I would not know it was made fr rye in a blind taste test

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                          sandylc Jan 30, 2012 06:33 PM

                          My mom's family - southern Illinois - great northerns and what's left of your ham, with the bone.

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                            Perilagu Khan Jan 31, 2012 09:07 AM

                            Southern Illinois is a pretty spot.

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                            Wawsanham Jan 30, 2012 03:54 PM

                            To give a response from abroad: white beans in Chile (cranberry or roma beans to be exact). Having a German mom meant not eating a lot of beans at home--split peas more common. Someone mentioned chili with spaghetti upthread--isn't that Cincinnati style chili?

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                              bbqboy Jan 30, 2012 05:22 PM

                              Cincy Chilli is served atop spaghetti noodles; if noodles(whatever kind are used) are mixed in, it is usually called Johnny marzetti or something similar. Tons of threads on here about that, I think.

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                                sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM

                                No, it's not Cincinnati chili..just a weird bastardization (and not just my mom's-- I've had/seen it plenty of other places)

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                                soupkitten Jan 30, 2012 01:48 PM

                                beans-- probably the locally grown great northern or navy beans

                                baked beans-- pinto or the above, or a mix

                                rice 'n beans-- black beans
                                unless
                                red beans n rice-- in that case, kidney beans

                                soup beans-- can again be one variety of local white bean, or a mix of pantry beans

                                various heirloom beans are grown in the area and called by name, as are large beans like lima or gigantes.

                                cowpeas and black eyed peas are used less commonly in my area, but still used. red and brown lentils are used as well as green lentils, and split yellow and green peas. this is mainstream grocery store stuff, regional rather than ethnic. there will be more pulses in specialty/ethnic markets.

                                lots of people have beans as a common pantry item where i live (MN) and many folks make bean soup and split pea soup and lentil soup/dal in the winter. where i live, chili contains beans, and in addition to meat chili, "white" chicken and turkey chilis, incorporating white beans and green chiles, are popular in cold weather. lots of people also make multibean soups or five or seven bean chilis, either vegetarian or with a small amount of bacon or similar.

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                                  laliz Jan 30, 2012 09:06 AM

                                  In Southern California, beans is going to be pinto beans. Personally I prefer black beans.

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                                    cakebakerlady1 Jan 30, 2012 06:07 AM

                                    In my family beans are identified by color. When mom said she was making beans, my sis and I would always ask "Brown or white?" Sis was partial to white and I love brown. In my house they're always brown, served with cornbread and raw onion slices on the side. I'm from Arkansas.

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                                      Perilagu Khan Jan 30, 2012 07:30 AM

                                      By brown do you mean pinto beans?

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                                        cakebakerlady1 Jan 30, 2012 07:36 AM

                                        yes, brown is pinto and white is navy or any other light bean (but not lima beans, those were "butterbeans")

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                                      Robinez Jan 30, 2012 12:15 AM

                                      We have a silly little ritual at my house when it comes to beans. For example, I love red beans with leftover meat from a cooked ham. Mr. R prefers big limas with smoked hocks. So we alternate. The meal always includes rice, cornbread (sweet) and chopped or sliced onions.

                                      I prefer great northerns for bean soup.

                                      I love a bean thread too because I can ask my same worn out question again. Does anyone have a recipe for baked Lima Beans like the Amish make? It is almost like a barbq taste but is sweet. There is also bacon in it. The limas are large limas.

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                                        zzDan Jan 31, 2012 12:56 AM

                                        I found this one which looks reasonable. Other on the internet use a pound of brown sugar plus some molasses. I would add some molasses to the below recipe which I have never cooked
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                                        BAKED LIMA BEANS
                                        2 cups dried limas
                                        4 slices bacon or salt pork
                                        1 medium onion
                                        1 green pepper
                                        1 cup canned tomatoes
                                        2 tsp. salt
                                        1 tsp. mustard
                                        2 tblsp. brown sugar
                                        Soak beans overnight in cold water. Drain, add 2 quarts of fresh water and boil until tender. Pour beans in buttered casserole. Add minced pepper, onion, tomatoes and seasoning and mix. Put bacon or salt pork on top and bake, covered. Add water if necessary. Bake 2 hours at (325-f). Uncover for the last 20 minutes.
                                        http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26558/...

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                                          Robinez Feb 1, 2012 11:30 PM

                                          I forgot the bacon! This is it! I may bump it up a bit from 2 TB brown sugar, may depend on dark brown or light. All the ingredients are here, though.

                                          Thank You so much, zzDan. I have been searching for this forever.

                                          TC, Robin

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                                            zzDan Feb 2, 2012 03:23 AM

                                            You are welcome. Look at this one which goes overboard with the brown sugar and also includes molasses. From Mount Joy Mennonite Church cookbook, which is in Lancaster County. http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_85_...

                                            I would take the best ideas from the two recipes

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                                              Robinez Feb 2, 2012 02:09 PM

                                              I think I will take the best from the two as you suggest, Thanks again.

                                              BTW, I meant I forgot the tomatoes! In my previous post...

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                                        Sharuf Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM

                                        Growing up in the Northwest., which is part of Greater Scandinavia, the default legume meal was split pea soup.

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                                          Cheez62 Jan 29, 2012 11:12 PM

                                          I'm from the Midwest too. My parents are both from Wisconsin, and I grew up in four different Great Lakes states. In my extended family, I don't recall any default bean, assuming you mean some kind of dried, "pot of beans" type bean. We had canned baked beans (usually B&M or similar, not those awful tomatoey pork and beans), and kidney beans in chili, and I recall that once or twice maybe, my mom made "homemade baked beans" probably with navy, but that was a very rare thing. Now I've lived in Ohio FAR long enough to be familiar with bean soup, or "soup beans" with ham or ham hocks, and cornbread, but it didn't come from my family. I don't recall grandmothers or aunts or anyone making such things either. Oh, they could cook plenty of things, and well, but no beans or any regularity. Split pea soup is the closest thing I can recall.

                                          1. sunshine842 Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM

                                            Florida, especially from about Tampa south, defaults to black beans, cooked with onions, garlic, bell peppers, and chorizo, Cuban-style, and served over white rice.

                                            Black-eyed peas or crowder peas would probably be the runner-up.

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                                              meatn3 Jan 30, 2012 08:45 AM

                                              I was raised in the Tampa bay area and could have written this word for word!

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                                                sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 09:21 AM

                                                lived there for 25 years, my family is still there, and still consider it home. (and on the last visit home, pretty sure I ate enough Cuban food to alter my DNA)

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                                                  meatn3 Jan 30, 2012 10:53 AM

                                                  We moved there in '61. I've been away for 16 years, with some shorter moves before.
                                                  I have most of my family there so visit frequently. Cuban and smoked mullet are my "must eats" along with a trip to Parksdale for strawberry shortcake if I can time it right! So many changes that it no longer feels like "home" except for people and food!

                                                  The other bean that showed up with frequency in our bowls was the white bean in caldo gallego - a small navy bean perhaps. Once in a while I've had this soup served with garbanzo beans too.

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                                                    sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM

                                                    or a strawberry milkshake, or both. Manna of the gods. Roy passed away a few years ago, but his boys are carrying on.

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                                                  scubadoo97 Jan 30, 2012 04:06 PM

                                                  Same here. Just had a bunch of friends over from out of town and black beans and rice was part of the menu. Minus the chorizo as my wife and some guest don't eat pig

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                                                  redfish62 Jan 30, 2012 09:31 AM

                                                  Yup those are pretty much the only beans I ever eat

                                                4. Tripeler Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM

                                                  I was raised by Okies in Northern California. "Beans" means pinto beans, of course, but also great northern/navy beans also. They are a wonderful thing, beans. These days I like the very small poquito beans from the central coast area.

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                                                    Will Owen Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM

                                                    Pinquito, I think. When our niece was going to UCSB, she'd come visit and bring a bag of the Santa Maria pinquitos with the herbs-and-spices packet enclosed, of which I learned to use about half. I just cooked the last bag a couple of weeks ago, which we ate with fried cheesy polenta and braised black kale. Killer combo!

                                                  2. WWFeldman Jan 29, 2012 10:18 PM

                                                    As a one who grew up in a Southern kitchen it's baby limas stewed for about three hours with a couple of big diced onions and a smoked ham hock as a soup, topped with chives or green onion and a few drops of vinegar.

                                                    Other times it's black-eyed-peas done the same way but with lots of red pepper flakes.

                                                    Both of those touch my heart.

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                                                      Canuckette1 Jan 29, 2012 05:03 PM

                                                      Up here in the Canadian Prairies, beans are just not very common-- unless we're talking about beans canned in sauce. : ( But in my kitchen, I use black or garbanzo beans by default.

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                                                        bbqboy Jan 29, 2012 10:04 PM

                                                        No beans in Canada? What do you guys eat up there for your 9 months of Winter? :)

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                                                          emeats Jan 30, 2012 09:58 AM

                                                          Maybe not in those parts - but further east (particularly Quebec) there's lots of split pea soup with ham and baked beans made with maple syrup!

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                                                            Jzone Jan 31, 2012 12:57 AM

                                                            In Vancouver it is widely eclectic with the large ethnic communities. You'll literally find every bean imaginable here. Growing up, so about 39-ish years ago, I'd say kidney were probably the go to for most people I knew, mostly for chili, soup etc. Now I'd say Chick Peas (garbanzos) have a huge popularity.

                                                            Sorry to be so vague, but ask 100 Vancouverites that question and you could get 20 different answers, easy.

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                                                            John E. Feb 1, 2012 03:11 PM

                                                            I grew up on the Minnesota prairie and 'beans' usually meant a can of ham n beans. Now I make spicy black beans, bean soup, refried beans, blackeyed peas with ham and other bean dishes. I kind of like the yellow Mayacoba Peruvian beans lately.

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                                                            velochic Jan 28, 2012 01:46 PM

                                                            I'm from and currently live in the midwest... White Navy or Great Northern are assumed if you say beans. When you say that you're making beans it means this soupy kind of bean dish with ham and is always served with cornbread on the side. That could be more specific to my family, although at church dinners, especially those that are fundraisers, "beans" on the menu means this ham and bean dish. Baked beans are made with navy beans, as well.

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                                                              Perilagu Khan Jan 28, 2012 04:26 PM

                                                              Sounds like the further north and east you go, the more likely you are to strike navy beans. I wonder what beans Southerners--New Orleans excepted--tend to chuff.

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                                                                sr44 Jan 30, 2012 12:05 AM

                                                                Pea beans in parts of New England

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                                                                sunshine842 Jan 29, 2012 10:39 PM

                                                                ham and beans and cornbread -- you're in Indiana.

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                                                                  Perilagu Khan Jan 30, 2012 07:30 AM

                                                                  What type of beans in Hoosier land?

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                                                                    sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                                    white navy or great northern.

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                                                                      Will Owen Jan 30, 2012 10:15 AM

                                                                      Yup, the only other kind I ever had was limas and kidney. Kidney beans were standard for "chili" (in quotes because Mom's was basically hamburger and tomato soup) or "goulash" (even less authentic). Small limas we had fresh from Grandpa Owen's garden, while the big butter beans were always from cans, as were the kidneys. The Air Force took me west and kept me there, and the beans became pintos, mostly.

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                                                                        sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM

                                                                        My maiden name is a derivation of your surname -- and with your description of Mom's chili as "in quotes because Mom's was basically hamburger and tomato soup" -- are you sure you're not my long-lost brother? My mom's "chili" is tomato juice, browned hamburger, a can of kidney beans, chopped onions, and broken spaghetti. Yes, spaghetti. Then dump some chili powder in it until it tastes kinda like chili.

                                                                        I never make it that way, but when I'm home, I confess it tastes pretty good, even if it's not really chili

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                                                                          Perilagu Khan Jan 30, 2012 12:29 PM

                                                                          You poor dear. I wish I could airmail you some of my own special recipe chili.

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                                                                            sunshine842 Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM

                                                                            Don't worry -- in ancient times, I was married to a native Texan. I've got chili covered.

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                                                                    velochic Jan 30, 2012 10:05 AM

                                                                    Close.

                                                                2. Uncle Bob Jan 28, 2012 01:18 PM

                                                                  Prolly Red or Kidney....Then again they might mean...Green or Butter.......

                                                                  1. caseyjo Jan 28, 2012 11:44 AM

                                                                    That definitely meant either pinto or black beans for me growing up in Southern California (at least, for my family and friends). I'm not quite sure what the default bean is here in the Midwest, but I'd certainly be interested to hear other's insights.

                                                                    1. bbqboy Jan 28, 2012 10:37 AM

                                                                      Pintos or Navy, ham Hocks standard.Dad from Texas, Mom from Kansas and grew up in KC.

                                                                      1. Terrie H. Jan 28, 2012 10:30 AM

                                                                        Beans generally meant white northern here in Maryland. Just glad to have variety now.

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                                                                          Terrie H. Jan 28, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                          We didn't have a big pot of beans here, come to think of it. It was a ham and bean soup.

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