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Kosh in Stamford, Connecticut

Anyone been? Anyone have first- or second-hand reviews?

Hoping to go Saturday night. Thanks.

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  1. The reviews on Shamash.org look good -

    1. There last week with friends. Ran about $50 per head for dinner. Very ordinary food. Wife had Chicken matzo Ball soup that had one tiny matzo ball the size of a quarter. Deli was just blah/mild.
      Don't expect to go back, friends didn't want to travel into NYC to eat. Consensus was, we tried it, but non of the 4 couples will plan a return visit.

      1. Been there twice on Saurday nights. Nice sports bar decor, packed house both visits. Had the
        beer-battered deep-fried pickles- surprisingly tasty, but then again, anytime you throw something in the deep fryer, results will generally be pretty good. Signature burger was moist, nice size, and covered with smoked meat, a nice touch. Similar in concept if not quite as tasty as a Bay-Ken burger in Chicago. Next visit started with fairly beefy chili, then moved on to
        three kinds of wings, which were excellent. Had the bourbon, sticky, and oriental BBQ wings, and all were really flavorful, though "oriental' were my favorite. Dessert was bananas "singapore", again, excellent if not particularly healthy. Plus, bar throws together some nice drinks, decent wine options, and fairly quick service when we were there.
        The one drawback to our visits was their tofu/veg dishes- a salad the 1st time, a pasta the next, but A. there's not THAT much you can do with that tofu, and B. if you're looking for a tofu dish, Kosh may not be the place to do it. All in all, thumbs up.

        1. I've had food from Kosh three times now, once in the restaurant for dinner, once at the bar to watch a football game and once did takeout. I've had a burger, chicken wings, deep fried pickle, and the Joe Lieberman deli sandwich. I thought the food was delicious, though the wings weren't quite spicy enough for my taste. Their Montreal smoked meat and fake bacon are home made and truly worth travelling for. I heard from those who tried the meat entrees (specifically the steaks and the stuffed veal) that they were excellent. My kids have had their hotdog and chicken fingers (and some of our sandwiches and burgers) and loved it all. I did hear some negative feedback on some of their chicken and vegetarian options though. All that being said, they're new, this is technically their soft opening period and I think they're still working through a lot of kinks - particularly in their service. For those who had a negative experience, I would strongly encourage you to give them time and another try. Let them work through the kinks, tighten up service, tighten up their menu, etc. Some of us live in Stamford and will go regardless, but this place place really does aim to be a top class restaurant - give them the time to get there. Don't let that stop you from going now. As I said, the food I've had is great.

          1. My wife and I went this past Saturday night. The place was crowded. Judging by the license plates in the parking lot, looked mostly like Connecticuters, rather than people from NY. In speaking with the owner/manager (?), they have been getting plenty of people from Westchester, and hope to continue doing so.

            My wife and I shared the faux crab cakes and the tarte flambe as appetizers. Both were very good. I especially like the crab cakes (I didn't ask if they were made with the fake crab that we buy in the market or Old Bay Seasoning). My wife enjoy the tarte flambe, especially the pareve creme fraiche and the laffa it comes on.

            I had the chicken jambalya and my wife had the lamb kebab. The jambalya was good - a little too ketchupy. I have never had it before, so I don't know how it tastes relative to other options. My wife's lamb was good except for one or two pieces of lamb which were a little fatty.

            For dessert, we had a chocolate brownie. It was just a brownie. For the price and for aesthetic reasons, I thought it needed something more. Maybe mint or vanilla ice cream.

            Overall, we enjoyed it. The service could use a little practice. As they are open longer, hopefully they'll work out the kinks. I look forward to going back again.

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            1. re: craigcep

              I plan on going there this shabbos night. My daughter lives in Stamford. This is really big, since they really had NOTHING there.

              Maybe a pizza store in the near future?

            2. I got an email that they are having a "Grand Opening and Open House" on Monday, January 30th at 6:00. Seems like it may be worth the trip.

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              1. re: serenarobin

                The deep-fried pickles are a nod to the owner's Atlanta upbringing. But jambalaya made with ketchup? That sounds like a school lunchroom innovation.

                While it doesn't sound like a destination restaurant, how would you compare Kosh to places with similar aspirations in Westchester or the City? Also, does the sports bar aspect affect the experience in the dining room, either through the noise or the distraction of the big screen TVs? The thought of eating with ESPN flickering in the background has kept me away so far.

                To make a go of it, I assume that the lunch trade will be crucial. Has anyone observed if it is busy at lunch?

                1. re: Dovid

                  I think Kosh will benefit from the fact that it is the only upscale restaurant (for dinner) between Manhattan and Boston. It's an easy drive from Westchester and has parking, which makes it a better go than NYC. (When I was there, I told my wife that it was the only upscale restaurant between Riverdale and Boston, to which she replied, "there's upscale in Riverdale?"). There's also no toll to pay, as opposed to northern NJ, Great Neck or Queens.

                  The tvs didn't distract at all. I saw them out of the corner of my eye while I ate, but couldn't hear them.

                  1. re: craigcep

                    Thanks. Hopefully, it will be good enough to bring in diners from the general population. As a Kosher outpost, it will need this as a cushion more than a place in Manhattan would.

                    1. re: simster

                      Ate lunch and dinner there this week. Great food, great atmosphere. Try the Kosh Burger, it's fantastic. Waiters are a bit too friendly, but maybe that's just me. Why can't we have a place like this in NYC?

              2. Had lunch ad thought it was great. They made the place really beautiful, feels spacious, nice big parking lot helps too. Had the kosh burger, it was great. Crab cakes were a hit too. Prices were very reasonable.

                1. Wondering if anyone has been there in the last couple of months? Any updates/improvements/downgrades? Thinking of going on a Sunday w/mixed crowd of observant and non-observant ppl...

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                  1. re: sanekosher

                    was there last night. Beautiful restaurant., we ate outside Large portion of fried chicken as my main course, could have used a little more seasoning though. I'd go back again

                    1. re: sanekosher

                      Been there twice now. Everything is so salty I left over most of my food. Would love if it had been wonderful but the food is old fashioned, tired and not tasty.

                    2. Well, as weknow Kosh closed (no loss IMHO)
                      Now 613 has opened in the same space under OU supervision.
                      I haven't heard from anyone who has eaten there yet. I saw their website and the pitiful menu and can't imagine they will make it either...
                      1 soup,2 salads, 6 entrees including a salad and 3 uninspired desserts


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                      1. re: bagelman01

                        Menu looks awful. Can't someone tell restaurateurs that it's no longer 1950? Kosher can be more interesting than that. What a disappointment.

                        1. re: cooking lady

                          I actually don't think it looks so bad! (At least there is no sushi!) A burger, a chicken dish, a steak, a fish dish...all with modern toppings and sides. In a small-ish Jewish community like the Stamford area, I think it's smart to stick with classic American fare, and a short menu that is going to be easier to pull off successfully. If it's done well, it could be comparable to Wolf and Lamb in NYC--a classic place where you can bring non-kosher observant friends/business colleagues and have well-prepared classic restaurant dishes. I don't think there is enough of a kosher consumer base in the area to support a wildly creative Pardes-esque menu, or a really upscale, expensive steakhouse. If this goes well, the owner can always branch out with a creative dish or two down the road.

                          1. re: DevorahL

                            You make very good points, still, if they want to get new people it's smart to have at least a couple of new things and also, if it's classic, should be a steak or two. How about a hanger or skirt steak with chile peppers and a lime vinaigrette. How about grilled flanken with an Asian glaze? Those aren't exactly Pardes-esque or too upscale, but something other than a burger with not-so-new caramelized onions or tomato jam might appeal to some. Their menu is boring. Even the desserts could use a shakeup.

                        2. re: bagelman01

                          Ouch, $16 for a burger! I still wish them luck. I rather enjoyed Kosh when I visited my daughter who lives there. Still anything is better than nothing!

                            1. re: MartyB

                              $16 for a burger is not outrageous, considering you're in a full service kosher restaurant. Did it come with fries or any toppings?

                              1. re: cheesecake17

                                per the menu I linked, it comes with carmelized onions, lettuce and tomato jam. Fries are NOT included but an a la carte side. MartyB hasn't been there but mentioned it is nice to have this option when visiting his daughter in Stamford.

                                I'm 25 minutes from Stamford and get there about every 10 days. I won't be going to 613. As much as I don't really like Indian food I'd go to Navaratna if I had to eat in Stamford.

                                I didn't particularly like the failed Kosh, but at least it had a theme (sports bar) and interesting menu. Nothing about 613's menu is appealing and it looks like another soon to fail kosher restaranteur wannabe thinks out of towners will just be grateful for any kosher food and support the place. Those days are long gone. Westchester is not that much farther

                                1. re: bagelman01

                                  I love Navaratna! Choices are so varied you can pick just about any style Indian food that there is. Think you're right about menu at 613, which is why I originally said that they ought to have a modern menu and not the same old same old tired kosher meat menu.

                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                    I just saw the link and menu.
                                    Doesn't seem like a bad menu. Just expensive and nothing special.

                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                      Well, to be fair to 613, there's not much in Westchester either ;)

                                      (though I love love love Swirl Coffee & Tea Room in New Rochelle, but that's not a meat eatery)

                                2. re: bagelman01

                                  Went to baby sit the grandkids so I went to JCC for pizza, not too bad, and took them to 613 for dinner, they enjoyed the chicken fingers from the children's menu and I had the cream of broccoli soup and had a rather large portion of prime rib. Not bad at all.

                                  1. re: MartyB

                                    I'm glad you liked it. Neither item you posted is on their online menu. Maybe they have food that might attract customers-but if they don't let potential customers know they are destined to fail.

                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                      Yes, the soup and prime rib was the days special - sounded good so I thought I would give it a try.

                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                        I don't think that's fair. Before the Internet, restaurants did just fine without online menus.

                                        1. re: tamarw

                                          I don't agree with you.
                                          This discussion is on the Internet
                                          I found out about the new restaurant because of an article in the JewishLedger.com whoich I read every Thursday when It comes out.
                                          I don't live in Stamford. The Internet is the choice advertising media for the restaurant in hopes of attracting customers who don't live in Stamford.
                                          Before I drive a distance, I check out restaurant websites, as do many in this era.
                                          There is another CH discussion about restaurants not having websites, but just FB pages. If 613 did this they could post a pic of their daily specials. So instead of an unimnteresting menu I find out that MartyB, who was babysitting in Stamford, had 2 items I might have driven for. Instead I drove almost the dsame distance to New Haven and had dairy at Claire's.

                                          1. re: bagelman01

                                            But if it was a daily special, it wouldn't have been on the menu anyway.

                                            1. re: queenscook

                                              A line under soups that says Soup De Jour
                                              and under entrees that says 'daily specials' would allow viewers of the menu to know that more is offered than the limited selection and in my case might prompt a phone call to ask what the soup od the day and daily entree are.........

                                            2. re: bagelman01

                                              Perhaps we are in an Internet era, but I have never before seen any restaurant EVER that posts its daily specials on its website. It's quite a harsh judgment to pass when you say they are "destined to fail" because they aren't advertising a dish they probably don't serve very often on their main site.

                                              With respect to the Internet, this is my livelihood, and I live/eat/drink/sleep Internet technologies, but I won't go to the extreme to say that this business is a goner if they don't post their specials online, as I'm sure their website analytics don't show a necessity for constant updates (I know this to be a fact, by the way). Maybe you won't go to 613 because of this, but that's not stopping anyone else. If you're not satisfied with the current menu, you're probably not their anticipated clientele. They aren't doing themselves a disservice by not featuring it on their website. They would be more "destined [for failure]" if you showed up expecting food they offered only for specials on a day that wasn't featuring said specials, only to complain online that you didn't get the dishes you wanted.

                                              There are plenty of restaurants that still don't have website presences. A lot of them have been around for a long time. Those are not failures.

                                              Some people choose not to advertise online. They don't fail because they chose against it. Granted, they can boost their visibility substantially if they took advantage of the Internet (see Wandering Que), but they don't have to and don't necessarily all fail because of it.

                                              I have only seen ONE restaurant in my entire online existence that has updated its specials online, and they didn't do it on their website; they did it on their Facebook page, much like you said.

                                              Don't judge so harshly. I respect that you don't agree with me, but they don't deserve that.

                                              If you want to know the specials and don't find them online, give them a call. Before the Internet, we communicated via phone. Many still do.

                                              1. re: tamarw

                                                I have seen a few kosher restaurants that update their daily specials on their webpage, http://store5.geomerx.com/milknhoney/...

                                                for example. That's more than I expect in general, but I'm not likely to take the trouble of going to a restaurant I don't know if they don't at least have a menu online. YMMV

                                                1. re: follick

                                                  That's not the point, though. bagelman is having an issue with them not listing something that is not served regularly.

                                                  Yes, the presence of a menu is inherently an advertisement. I get it. I'd be more compelled to go to a restaurant if it served food that I liked too, and I do check menus before I go places. (In Stamford, there aren't many places to go, so perhaps they don't see this as being a problem.)

                                                  Still, in their defense (and in the defense of others), not everyone has the resources to keep people abreast of what's being served or updated on the menu on a regular basis. Plus, if one person forgets to update the page one day, it would lead to the situation where someone may show up to be greeted to a "well, that was a special we had yesterday, but we don't have it today," which would probably be a failure in someone's book. It also slightly disappoints me that some restaurants don't update their social media presences all the time, but again, not everyone can. Many restaurants outsource web design and don't maintain their presence once a menu is uploaded. Perhaps they should; they'd definitely see better results if they did. But fail? No.

                                                  My point is the verbiage that not featuring specials online, causing one guy not to go to the restaurant, means the restaurant is a "failure." Again, I only take issue with that particular word. It may be an unwise decision from the marketing side of things, and being that I am in Internet marketing, I would advise some sort of consistently updated online presence, but again, "failure" is just harsh and they don't deserve that.

                                                  1. re: tamarw

                                                    "bagelman is having an issue with them not listing something that is not served regularly."

                                                    Bagelman is having a problem that could have been avoided with one sentence on the web menu...

                                                    Call for our daily soups and specials..........

                                                    B is an old time retailer, he grew up with the family operating 15 stores here in CT. Marketing drives business. Bad and inneffective marketing can kill a business.

                                                    A great chef does not a businessman make.

                                                    Enough said, I am in Stamford Superior Court the week after Pesach and shall give 613 a try

                                                2. re: tamarw

                                                  While I did not care for Supersol/Seasons of Lawrence and could not understand why anyone shopped there except for their meats they have completely transformed themselves to the point that I go there more than most of the other 5 towns options. What annoys me is that they don't advertise themselves well except for their almost daily emails and Facebook posts. They have constant daily specials like buy one get one free and so on. Once I was in the store right by the section where they had sandwiches and wraps buy-one-get-one-free with no signs or flyer. I took out my phone and brought up their facebook page to see if maybe I saw wrong, but, no the special was there and I did not have to fight at checkout to get the special prices. I wish they would advertise more effectively! Advertisement is key to get the message out.


                                                  1. re: MartyB

                                                    I don't disagree at all with you, Marty. But Seasons is doing just fine and not failing as a result of not marketing as well as they could be. :)

                                                    1. re: MartyB

                                                      I, too, have been going to Season's in Lawrence often, but on 2 occasions the cashier did not have a clue about the Facebook specials I was buying.

                                                      1. re: susiejane

                                                        They slipped up on the 1/2 chicken for $4.99/lb. Showed them the Facebook ad on my iPhone and they corrected the price. Growing pangs I guess.

                                                        Mauzone/Libys across the street must be hurting, the selection on display at Seasons is impressive.

                                                        1. re: MartyB

                                                          funny, but I went about 6:30 to buy the 1/2 chicken for dinner and they were all gone.

                                                          1. re: susiejane

                                                            I went about 4:15 and they had lots of chickens different varieties. Did you ask for one specific type. I think mine was a Teriyaki with sesame seeds.

                                                            1. re: MartyB

                                                              I take that back, I went to Seasons at 11:15am, it was Gourmet Glatt that I went to at 4:15pm. The chicken was bought at Seasons.

                                                    2. re: tamarw

                                                      Tamar, as I replied to QC
                                                      merely by putting the fact that there are soups of the day and daily specials on the intrernet menu, would prompt me to call and inquire.

                                                      BUT...a new kosher restaurant with a limited menu on line in a failed locatiuon, doesn't inspire confidence.

                                                      Marketing drives business. From 1997 to 2008 My brother and I took a small Westchester based one man business doing 300K per year to a 20 website internet powerhouse doing 5 Million per year using only 4 employees, but all based on great web content and marketing. All updates were done in house, and changes were made many times a day. No need to wait for the outside webmaster top make changes, or keep up a mediocre web presence to avoid the expense.

                                                      Again, see the Not about Food thread on restaurants only having FB pages, not websites....it's easy to post a pic every day of your daily specials, even of a hand written chalkboard.

                                                      I still communicate by phone, but an advertisement, and that is what their web menu is has to has a reason to make me want to call.

                                                      We 'out of towners' have suffered too many 'bad' businesspeople opening kosher restarants over the years and failing. Just being the only kosher alternative doesn't ean sucess.

                                                      I'd like them to succeed. They are only a 25 minute drive for me, they have to entice me to come and spend money, and so far they are not doing a good job. In fact I only heard about them because the Vaad Of Fairfiled Count was featured in an artoicle and mentioned new supervisions. I didn't see any publicity to Fairfield County Jews.

                                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                                        Yes, but you said that their lack of inclusion of specials on the menu = failure. A little harsh, no?

                                                        There are other reasons restaurants fail. Again, it may be unwise that they don't include their specials on the menu, but that's not going to be the sole reason for their demise. Frankly, I hope they don't fail, and I'm not approaching this at all with the attitude that they're going to be doomed. I wish you'd do the same.

                                                        1. re: tamarw

                                                          I hope the succed.
                                                          But as someone from a generation oder than you, who has lived in CT for 60 years, I have seen many kosher restaurants come and go (the long term sucesses are actually the non-Jewish restaurants that happen to be kosher, such as Claire's in New Haven) and unfortunatelythe failures haven't been due to bad food, but not being operated by 'businessmen.'

                                                          What is worse, is when a landlord now owns the equipment after a restaurant fails (kosher or treif) the landlord takes chances on renting to undercapitalized new restauranteurs (who will use the landlord's equipment) and the doom cycle continues.

                                                          There are enough smart (businesswise) young Jews who could operate a sucessful restaurant, hiring talented chefs.

                                                          1. re: bagelman01

                                                            I am well aware that restaurants come and go. Not including specials on the menu will not solely contribute to the restaurant's demise. I hope they succeed too.

                                                            1. re: tamarw

                                                              I hope they succeed too. But I wish there was a kosher restaurant that had more interesting food, a more modern menu.

                                                              1. re: cooking lady

                                                                I might suggest Pardes which is an hour's drive from Stamford...just wish there were other Pardeses around!