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Still finding fully expanded threads in which the posts have all been read by me earlier or the day before

mcf Jan 17, 2012 06:46 AM

A day later, this thread has not collapsed. Had this problem weeks ago and am finding it's returned in a few threads the last few days. This is the latest: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/828456

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  1. Jacquilynne RE: mcf Jan 17, 2012 07:28 AM

    If you've read all the posts, the thread won't collapse. It only collapses if you've read some, but not all, of the posts.

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      mcf RE: Jacquilynne Jan 17, 2012 07:38 AM

      Okay, but this is happening on occasions in threads where I can see that someone new has posted but everything is open, so too hard to find the new posts. Might not be true of the thread I included here...

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        wyogal RE: mcf Jan 17, 2012 07:56 AM

        Yes, It's happened to me a couple of times, including today.

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          Jacquilynne RE: mcf Jan 17, 2012 08:47 AM

          There's another bug where sometimes posts that have been removed still show in the index -- so you may be seeing instances where the new posts aren't in the thread anymore. There was a joke tangent removed from the thread you linked.

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            mcf RE: Jacquilynne Jan 17, 2012 09:03 AM

            I see... when you remove posts, the missing poster's name still shows as the last post? Will you be removing the inevitable tangent about how diligently y'all scrub threads of anything resembling fun, too? ;-)

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          Gio RE: Jacquilynne Jan 17, 2012 09:35 AM

          Jacquilynne, This is contrary to what happens to me. When I see there's a new post in a thread I'm interested in I go to that thread only to find it's expanded even though I've read All of the posts. Thus I can't, or sometimes don't want to, read through all the posts seeking the New post. That's a colossal waste of time. It just happened on the Grilling Books thread...

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            jeanmarieok RE: Gio Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM

            Glo - that's what I have been seeing, too.

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              Gio RE: jeanmarieok Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM

              Thanks for your confirmation, jeanmarieok...!

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              wyogal RE: Gio Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM

              yep.

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                Engineering RE: Gio Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM

                Vital clarification: when you click into the thread and find everything expanded, does the "New" flag appear anywhere inside the thread? We could be looking at two VERY different issues depending on whether or not the flag appears even once inside the topic.

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                  huiray RE: Engineering Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM

                  BTW - relating to this issue would be when one is composing a response, finally clicks on 'post my reply', etc ... then if new responses from others had been posted in the time between I don't see those if I reload the thread - they appear collapsed. I usually find those later when I notice "additional entries" or doing a search on the expanded thread like what I described below.

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                    mcf RE: Engineering Jan 17, 2012 12:49 PM

                    I'll make a point of looking for that next time it happens.

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                      Gio RE: Engineering Jan 18, 2012 11:09 AM

                      No, the New flag does not appear anywhere inside the thread.
                      Thanks for exploring this problem...!

                  2. re: Jacquilynne
                    John E. RE: Jacquilynne Jan 18, 2012 11:27 AM

                    How does the computer or website know if you've read ALL the posts? What happens if the telephone rings and you close the window before reading them all?

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                    GH1618 RE: mcf Jan 17, 2012 09:19 AM

                    What is needed is a control to collapse all, or individual posts in a thread.

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                      mcf RE: GH1618 Jan 17, 2012 09:55 AM

                      Absolutely agree.

                    2. huiray RE: mcf Jan 17, 2012 09:55 AM

                      If you accidentally do a second click on the thread (or don't notice you did) the site treats it as if you have already read the whole thread so will show it to you fully expanded. If the page is slow in loading (so it sits there at the previous page or shows a blank page while it attempts to load) and you click the link again to get it to load, or you stop the page load and click on the link again - the site treats it as a "second" load of the page and shows it to you as a fully expanded thread.

                      Since the "new" tags are also now gone from the "second load" of the page you could do a search for: a) date subsequent to the last day you were there [some new posts may be missed, you can look "upwards" to try to catch those you don't remember reading]; or b) "hour" and look for the new posts [within a day/24 hours]; or c) "minute" and look for really recent posts.

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                      1. re: huiray
                        John E. RE: huiray Jan 18, 2012 11:48 AM

                        I have experienced exactly what you describe. The only time it bugs me is when there is a heated/interesting discussion in which I was personally involved ; )

                        I agree with whomever said there needs to be a way to collapse all or individual posts as well as the 'expand all' button.

                        A 'sort by' feature would be helpful as well. If this situation the OP describes occurs, a sort by function would allow a person to read the latest posts, out of context of course, but after reading them, revert to the normal thread and go on from there.

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                        jeanmarieok RE: mcf Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM

                        I just clicked on a link in my email notification regarding a new post in the Top Chef Ep #10, 1/11/2012 thread, and it's totally expanded, no way to identify the new post without reading all 513..... So I clicked another thread, When the host is late serving the meal, and same thing, all expanded. So there is some kind of problem.

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                          mcf RE: jeanmarieok Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM

                          I had the problem today in the Top Chef Last Chance Kitchen thread, and note that none of the posts have "new" despite there having been a new one to me appearing as the last one.

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                            jeanmarieok RE: mcf Jan 18, 2012 11:20 AM

                            Funny though, I just got notification about this response, and now it's all collapsed again.

                        2. Engineering RE: mcf Jan 18, 2012 11:39 AM

                          Ok, since at least two of you have confirmed that there are no "New" flags within these expanded threads, that narrows this down nicely. The behavior you're seeing indicates that, for one reason or another, the site thinks that you have already viewed all of the posts in these threads. Based on that belief, it gives you the entire thread expanded because it no longer knows which posts to collapse and which posts to leave alone.

                          There are a number of reasons this might be happening on either side. For example, if you are clicking the link to that thread repeatedly, refreshing the page, or otherwise causing it to load multiple times, you'll get the fully expanded no-new-posts display.

                          Alternatively, certain quirks on the server side could also be causing it; for example, someone above mentioned that if someone else posts while you're writing a post, the other person's post won't show up as "new" for you because of the timing.

                          In short: I now know exactly what is happening- we just need to figure out why. Please keep an eye out for any patterns in the affected threads, the way you get to them, and anything else that might be relevant.

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                            jeanmarieok RE: Engineering Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM

                            Will do - thanks for your attention!

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                              mcf RE: Engineering Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM

                              Well, that's why I waited til it was the first boot up of the day, so I'd know for sure that I had not clicked on the thread prior or repeatedly. I didn't want to send you on a goose chase based upon my faulty recollections or mindless repeated clicking if it happened without my realizing it. Will also keep an eye out for any further flakiness.

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                                mcf RE: mcf Jan 22, 2012 08:42 AM

                                Happened again this morning, here:

                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/502654

                                and here:

                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/368655

                                I have not posted in either before, and have no recollection of having read them, either. Both fully expanded with only one click to open.

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                                  Engineering RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 09:56 AM

                                  Note that, if you've never read / clicked on either of those threads before, every post should appear expanded with a NEW flag the first time you visit the thread.

                                  Quick experiment:

                                  The site claims that you have read http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/824512 before, but new posts have been added since. When you open that topic, are the old posts collapsed and the new posts expanded with NEW flags on them?

                                  Alternatively, you've never viewed anything from http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/829465 - does every reply show up expanded with a NEW flag?

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                                    mcf RE: Engineering Jan 23, 2012 10:21 AM

                                    The first link had the old posts collapsed and no "new" designation on the new ones.

                                    The second link had all the posts open/uncollapsed. I didn't see "new."

                                    I should note that I have terrible attention deficit, and may be misremembering... so clicked on the thread about Sam's Club to check and found that those posts are "New."

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                                      mcf RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 10:25 AM

                                      When I go here, a thread I've never clicked on, it's expanded and the posts have the "new" logo. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/829320

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                                        Engineering RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM

                                        Ok, assuming you're right about misremembering the NEW flag in the test posts I linked to, this is sounding like the correct behavior so far. Can you click through to that topic one more time? If no one else has posted since the last time you viewed the thread, it should show up as fully expanded with no NEW flags anywhere.

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                                          mcf RE: Engineering Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM

                                          I just clicked through to the Sam's Club topic again. All expanded, no NEW flags. As I've said, the behavior isn't consistent, just frequent enough to be annoying, particularly when one is involved in a very long thread where new posts are noted but all are expanded when you click on the topic. I get the correct behavior most of the time, but some days, the wrong behavior is mighty frequent, too.

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                                            huiray RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 12:24 PM

                                            Are you getting email notification about "New" posts?

                                            If you are getting email notification about a new post on a thread, but that post gets deleted before you actually go to the thread, the thread would be presented to you as if there had been no new post - i.e. fully expanded with no "New" flag(s).

                                            Ditto if you are inspecting the Table of threads on a Board - if a new post was made to a thread after you last called up that Table of Threads (after logging in) the "New" flag appears besides the name of the thread, with the info about the 'last post' (new) on the right side of the thread name - but if *that* post was then deleted before you actually (re)opened the thread, the new-but deleted post does not appear and all the (old) posts are expanded - as if the new post had never ever existed. I.e. the status of the thread doesn't get updated to reflect deletion of that post. In my experience, anyway. (I believe this is a bug in the system on this site)

                                            If you get email notifications about several new posts on a thread, but then some - but not all - of the new posts are deleted before you actually look at the thread, the old posts will be collapse and the *surviving* new posts will be expanded with the "New" flag.

                                            My experience, anyway, and my 2 cents worth.

                                            [On disputatious threads I sometimes found it a 'useful' feature to have the email notification turned on so I could get a sense of posts that were being flung at posters' throats but which got ripped out by the mods. :-) ]

                                            1. re: huiray
                                              mcf RE: huiray Jan 23, 2012 12:29 PM

                                              Nope, no notifications. And it happens when the new posts are undeleted. I've found them with patience on some occasions by carefully scrolling through the thread.

                                            2. re: mcf
                                              Engineering RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM

                                              More or less what I figured. The big problem with this bug is that, in order to see what exactly is happening, I would need to check on some data *before* you view the thread and the problem occurs. Which, in turn, we can't readily predict without knowing what's happening. Catch-22.

                                              I'll continue to keep an eye out for this. The fact that only certain users are seeing the problem must mean something, so that's one lead at least. Let us know if you notice any further details, and until then, thank you for your patience.

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                                                mcf RE: Engineering Jan 23, 2012 01:01 PM

                                                Sure and thanks so much for giving it your attention.

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                                  QCumber RE: Engineering Jan 22, 2012 10:00 AM

                                  OK. This started happening to me a few days ago. Here's what I am seeing today. The top right corner of my screen says I am logged in. I click on the thread "January openings" in the Greater Boston board, and all the posts display expanded.

                                  I have read this thread on many occasions before, and it has always been that the previously viewed posts display as collapsed when I am logged in, but as expanded if I am not logged in. So this is new behavior. I log in again just to make sure, and now the previously viewed posts on this thread show collapsed, as I would normally have expected earlier. If I return to the list of threads and then select this thread again, all posts appear expanded, which is not what I would expect - I would think they should all appear collapsed.

                                  This happens now with other threads that I have viewed several weeks ago too: Once I'm logged in, they show collapsed where I had previously viewed them but with the new posts expanded. I leave the thread and then return to it. and now all posts are expanded.

                                  In contrast, for threads that I had not viewed at all before ths new behavior started, i.e. that just started in the past few days, the previously viewed posts do not show as collapsed when i view the thread now after logging in.

                                  Just observations...

                                  Q

                                3. Gio RE: mcf Jan 23, 2012 09:34 AM

                                  Nothing has changed with this problem. It continues to be random in my case. Sometimes a thread is expanded and sometimes it's not. I don't double click or continuously move back and forth between the same threads. As far as I'm concerned, I am simply ignoring it and moving on.
                                  It is a PITA, though.

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                                    mcf RE: Gio Jan 23, 2012 10:27 AM

                                    Yes, it's not at all consistent; most of the time, things work as they should, then one day all the really long threads I'm interested in stay completely uncollapsed, or new ones start behaving badly here and there, but not all.

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                                      mcf RE: mcf Feb 4, 2012 08:26 AM

                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/452033 Was fully expanded upon first, single click on it this a.m. despite two apparently new posts. Failed to note "new" logo.

                                      1. re: mcf
                                        Engineering RE: mcf Feb 6, 2012 09:57 AM

                                        mcf, this is a hell of a stretch, but do you use the "Unread Posts" page on your profile? In particular, do you / have you ever used the "mark all as read" option there?

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                                          mcf RE: Engineering Feb 7, 2012 08:27 AM

                                          Nope, not that I recall. I use the profile link a lot, or the chowhound discussion link, primnarily. Things have been operating properly for me since that last post, so far.

                                  2. mcf RE: mcf Mar 3, 2012 06:41 AM

                                    Just checking back in to say it's not happening to me any more, hasn't for a while. I haven't gotten any smarter or more careful, so I hope this means yawl have got it fixed? THANKS!

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