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What's the peatiest, smokiest scotch?

blueskys Jan 15, 2012 03:12 PM

I could not reply to the previous thread so I had to start this new one. I just wanted to say thank you to those you suggested Ardbeg 10 (Islay Single Malt)! I thought Mcclelland's Islay was smokey. Ardbeg is far superior. I happen to have both and was able to taste test them. I was blown away by the comparison.

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    DavidT Jan 15, 2012 06:07 PM

    Have you tried "The Peat Monster," from Compass Box?


    Or how about the new "Double Black," from Johnnie Walker?


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      kagemusha49 Jan 15, 2012 09:27 PM

      I would think that Laphroaig is the peatiest smokiest scotch. That doesn't mean it's the best Islay malt - I'd say Bowmore and Ardbeg and several others from Islay would be better. Someone mentioned Johnny Walker Double Black - it's got a lo of Islay malt in it, but it is a blend. For half the price of Double Black and still a fair amount of Islay smoke there is Black Bottle.

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      1. re: kagemusha49
        estilker Jan 16, 2012 11:06 AM

        Agreed about the Laphroaig. Lagavullin is up there as well, but more balance.

        Also try Smokehead. A new very commercial/hip single malt. I've read it's most likely a young Laphroaig or Lagavullin. It's a bit raw though.

        Second Bowmore and Ardbeg. Very partial to Bunnahabhain and Bruichladdich as well. Although the latter is hardly smoky.

        1. re: estilker
          nickls Jan 17, 2012 01:28 PM

          However, Bruichladdich does make the Octomore, which it seems was made specifically to cram in as much smoke and peat as possible.

          I haven't tried any of the Octomore bottlings, so not sure if it is more of a gimmick or an actually drinkable Scotch.

          1. re: nickls
            sku Jan 17, 2012 03:07 PM

            Octomore is technically the peatiest Scotch in parts per million of peat phenols coming off the still. I have only had the first edition, but I thought it was very good, not just a gimmick by any means; huge smoke but also some sweetness to balance it out and better than Bruichladdich's other peated experssion, the Port Charlotte series.

            The more recent editions are even peatier but I haven't tried them yet.

            1. re: sku
              estilker Jan 18, 2012 07:05 AM

              I'll keep my eye open for Octomore. Sounds like something I would like a lot.

              My latest addition was the Organic Bruichladdich.

              1. re: estilker
                lambretta76 Feb 4, 2012 08:35 PM

                I agree with sku about the Octomore. I'm not the biggest fan of peated scotches (I despise Lagavulin and most Laphroaigs), but for some reason I found the second Octomore quite nice. Not something I'd drop $150 on, but not something I'd turn down if offered to me. If I remember correctly, it's a younger whiskey, maybe three to five years or so. It's very well balanced for being a peat bomb (and for being so young), without the salty undertones I find in most Islays.

        2. re: kagemusha49
          Terrie H. Jan 16, 2012 11:16 AM

          +1 on Laphroaig for the strength of peat.

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            Veggo Jan 16, 2012 11:22 AM

            I'm not familiar with some of the labels mentioned here, but I wouldn't want any more peatiness than Laphroaig.

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              Terrie H. Jan 16, 2012 12:39 PM

              Total agreement - when I was a novice and had the Laphroaig, my first comment was that it tasted like the air smelled in Scotland. I was visiting the outer Hebrides. It is the peatiest (is that a word?) that I've tasted.

          2. re: kagemusha49
            davis_sq_pro Jan 17, 2012 06:59 AM

            Johnny Walker Double Black is nice (certainly far, far better than the normal JW), but it's a relative lightweight in the smoke department. The smokiest I've tried to date has been the Lagavulin Distillers Edition from two or three years back. Compared to it, from a smokiness perspective, the JW Double Black might as well be vodka.

            1. re: kagemusha49
              comestible Jan 17, 2012 03:06 PM

              This comment could go as well in the cheap drinks thread, but I agree, and thank the folks on this board, for suggesting Black Bottle. It's the best blend I've found so far, nice smoke, good flavor, and half the cost of a single malt.

              1. re: comestible
                DavidT Jan 17, 2012 05:39 PM

                Have you tried the Finlaggan malt, which is from Islay and sold by Trader Joe's for under $20?

            2. BillB656 Jan 16, 2012 07:57 AM

              An interesting Whiskey Flavor Map has been circulating round the webosphere lately

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                DavidT Jan 16, 2012 04:27 PM

                Very interesting chart/map. Thanks for the link!

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                ncyankee101 Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM

                I find McClelland's more peaty than smokey, and pretty mild compared to the monsters (Ardbeg, Laphroaig, Lagavulin). It is heavy on the brine though, which makes sense since it is thought by most people to be 5 yr old Bowmore (seeing as Morrison Bowmore produces McClellands).

                Bowmore 12 yr is a well-respected Islay but has a very different flavor profile than the big three.

                1. ellaystingray Jan 26, 2012 11:56 AM

                  Keep your eyes peeled for the Ardbeg Supernova.

                  And for my money, the Lahproaig Cask Strength is still the best Islay malt made.

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                  1. re: ellaystingray
                    ephnright Feb 24, 2012 09:25 AM

                    I love the Laphroaig 1/4 cask. As soon as I pour it the wife says the smell is what she imagines eating tree bark is like.
                    Te Bheag is peaty / smoky as well (although far less than Islay single malts), if you haven't tried it, a real nice blend.

                    1. re: ephnright
                      ncyankee101 Feb 24, 2012 09:30 AM

                      I second the quarter cask, though I recently tried the triple wood in a bar and quite liked it. Didn't get to try it side by side with anything I know, but my impression was just a little sweeter than the QC.

                      1. re: ncyankee101
                        ephnright Feb 24, 2012 04:44 PM

                        I'll keep an eye out for 3x wood.
                        Must go pour myself a dram of Te Bheag.

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                          ellaystingray Feb 28, 2012 03:59 PM

                          nyc is spot on with sensing a little more "sweet" in the profile of the Triple Wood--that is the Sherry Cask talking to your tastebuds. In regard to the Quarter Cask (which by the way is a feat of coopering as they disasemble used Bourdon barrels and reform them into smaller casks) I've found to not be quite as rich but just as aromatically powerful. The higher surface area to volume ratio seems to me, to mellow the whisky just a touch.

                          Now this being said, I am talking about very nuanced personal preferences. I've never tasted anything Master Distiller John Campbell has done that I don't like. I just always find myself going to the Cask Strength.

                          1. re: ellaystingray
                            ephnright Feb 28, 2012 04:31 PM

                            Specifically, I believe they use Makers Mark casks, for the 1/4 cask. An awesome spirit! Must pick some up, been awhile.

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                              ellaystingray Feb 28, 2012 05:34 PM

                              BeamGlobal owns both Laphroaig and Maker's Mark so that would figure, but I don't recall hearing that the 1/4 cask is specifically Maker's. I do know that Laphroaig "usually" uses Maker's Mark casks though. So that might be true.

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                    Lizard Jan 29, 2012 10:38 AM

                    Suggestions like Peat Monster are apt, but risk venturing into the gimmicky. Ardbeg is great, but the Ardbeg supernova seems to be playing to this as well.

                    I really recommend just exploring the Islays and in particular, as it's not mentioned here, Caol Ila, which is lovely and peaty whilst being interesting and having a distinct character to boot.

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                    1. re: Lizard
                      ephnright Feb 28, 2012 04:36 PM

                      Peat Monster is available here but I've resisted for that reason. How does it compare to Laphroaig?

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                      blueskys Mar 4, 2012 03:56 PM

                      Well, I had to share this interested tidbit. I was in a state store and picked up a bottle of Laphroaig 10 that was on sale for 50or so bucks. When checking out the clerk asked me about the product. They had a return from an individual that said it smelled funny and tasted bad maybe.  The clerk thought the batch might be tainted. They asked me to smell the bottle and see if it was ok, since they were not a Scotch drinker. I smelled it and said yep that was what it probably smells like …a campfire.  I proceeded to buy the bottle and had the please of tasting it later on. It was a roaring campfire for sure… haa.haaa…..

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                      1. re: blueskys
                        ncyankee101 Mar 4, 2012 10:38 PM

                        Maybe the only Scotch that person had before was Cutty Sark and they thought all Scotches were supposed to taste like that.

                      2. Tripeler Mar 5, 2012 06:39 AM

                        What do people here think of Talisker? I was a Laphroaig fan until Michael Jackson suggested I try Talisker instead. I like it a bit more, but both are still great.

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                          comestible Mar 5, 2012 09:32 AM

                          I like Talisker; a local store had Talisker 10 on sale for $40 for a while. Haven't done an A/B comparison against Laphroaig, but I think I'd slightly prefer Laphroaig.

                          1. re: Tripeler
                            ncyankee101 Mar 5, 2012 11:05 AM

                            My favorites are the peat monster Islays - Lagavulin, Ardbeg, Laphroaig - but Talisker is my favorite non-Islay. Though it does have a fair amount of peat and smoke, it is a very different flavor profile than those three. I have never had Bruichladdich or Bunnahabhain so can't compare them. I find it more similar to Highland Park, with a little more peat and a peppery finish.

                            1. re: ncyankee101
                              ephnright Mar 5, 2012 06:12 PM

                              Same here, Islay products are my favorite as well, so far. I haven't tried Ardbeg yet.
                              I did pick up Glemorangie this weekend, even better than Glenlivet, a bit sweeter and smoother but also 1/3 more $$.

                              1. re: ephnright
                                kagemusha49 Mar 6, 2012 09:29 AM

                                Try the port wood finish Glenmorangie - totally awesome flavor and color - dont forget to add a little water to bring it out.

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                                  ephnright Mar 6, 2012 06:13 PM

                                  Haven't seen the port wood finish up here. Will keep an eye out.
                                  Add water??... Surely you jest! Just busting your stones but I Rarely add anything to good booze.

                                  1. re: ephnright
                                    comestible Mar 6, 2012 08:55 PM

                                    Oh, I have. It wasn't an everyday tipple; someone got hold of a cask-strength single malt upwards of 25 years old. I think it was Caol Ila. Anyway, it was so intense, it was as though the flavors seemed knotted together, impenetrable, but a little water made the drink blossom, and you could really taste all the nuances.

                                    1. re: ephnright
                                      DavidT Mar 7, 2012 08:31 AM

                                      Since Glenmorangie was acquired by LVMH, they have renamed their various whiskies. The port-wood finish single-malt is now branded as "Quinta Ruban."

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