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  1. You know, I don't wish illness on anyone..and I hope that Paula Deen's diabetes is, and will remain, under control. However...the woman smokes. She has to be well-aware of the dangers of smoking and doesn't that (smoking) lead to forms of diabetes besides other health issues? That being said, Ms. Deen is a perfect example of how this "chef" celebrity thing is. A CLOTHING line????? Matresses?????? All the stuff she shills is amazing--and people buy the stuff????? Now she's going to shill meds for diabetics?? Well, I guess you cannot blame her if she is being offered a ton of money--but I think it stinks because she seems to come across as this "real" woman that is so good and trustworthy--but to keep that diabetes thing hidden because you think it'll be bad for your "image" is garbage. Ugh...I can just imagine what she smells like when she is cooking--that stale cigarette breath. Blech!

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    1. re: jarona

      I hope she thinks long and hard about how she got to where she is now in both her health and celebrity and what she can do to make a positive impact on society. If she does nothing and continues to preach these obesity-inducing recipes while relying on a pharma and metformin to take care of her, then she has learned nothing.

      1. re: chezwhitey

        That's analogous to being a smoking celebrity glamorizing smoking, while also relying on cancer remedies.

        The cooking she teaches leads to metabolic disorder, food addiction, etc.

    2. Yeah, read this about 2hrs ago. Someone in the comment's section of the FB linked one said,:

      "And somewhere, Bourdain is quietly snickering.."

      I wish her no ill will and REALLY hope this comes an epiphany for her. Maybe she'll turn around and come out with some Kick *ss southern low cal versions of her favorites. Oh and she quits smoking!

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      1. re: livetocook

        I got a tweet from Bourdain about 3 or 4 months ago that said, "I may have misread this but did Paul Deen invent a diabetes-flavored lip balm?"

        I still crack up when I think about it.

        1. re: Bart Hound

          As for Bourdain's eating and drinking example, check the current San Francisco Layover thread.

        2. re: livetocook

          http://eater.com/archives/2012/01/16/...

        3. Her son Bobby hosts 'Not my mama's meals' on CC.

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          1. re: paulj

            I watched part of the show this week (until Paula showed up, and I kind of have a hard time watching her) and I thought the dish he was making - lightened up pimento cheese - looked like a nice idea. I'd watch it again if she isn't on every episode.

          2. Paula Deen has profited greatly by slinging out recipes that aren't good for you. A lot of recipes out there aren't "good for you." But Paula's schtick and her marketing brand strategy, depicts her as just a simple ole country gal giving American families what they need.

            Sorry, but no, Paula's food is not good for American families: http://blogs.babycenter.com/celebriti...

            Also, to be honest, her food isn't even hers. A lot of Paula's recipes come from 1950s and 1960s church supper-type cookbooks. I have a vast collection of those books, and my eyes roll when I see Paula trot out an old recipe and claim it as "hers."

            As someone who was diagnosed as "borderline diabetic" and suffered from sleep apnea and high blood pressure, I took major steps to adjust my lifestyle, changing my diet and increasing exercise. Result: Slimmer body, no diabetes, normal blood pressure, sleep apnea gone (anyone need a C-PAP machine and mask?).

            Though I have cut way back on sugar and carbs, I don't deprive myself of any food, I have just learned to live by one simple rule when it comes to fat or sugar laden products, "Be satisfied with one taste."

            There's no doubt in my mind that Paula will find some way to make an inordinate amount of money from her health problems. It's been her MO, and fans will think she's just wonnaful.

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            1. re: TrishUntrapped

              <sorry, but no, paula's food is not good for american families. Also to be honest, her food isnt even hers>

              I dont think paula has ever claimed good-for-you food, and rarely original food. but how many recipes that you see on a food network show could the chef ever actually claim as original?? its so incredibly rare to see a recipe on one of those shows that isnt something ive seen 100 different ways before

              1. re: TrishUntrapped

                "There's no doubt in my mind that Paula will find some way to make an inordinate amount of money from her health problems. It's been her MO, and fans will think she's just wonnaful."
                -------
                ^^^^^^
                This.

              2. Laura Calder (French Food at Home) was shocked by how much butter and cream was used at LaVerenne cooking school in France (according to the biography shown on Cooking Channel). http://www.lavarenne.com/about.htm
                Why do we dance, so to speak, on Paula Deen's (future) grave, but not Anne Willan's (or one of the large classic French chefs)?

                Anne Willan

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                1. re: paulj

                  Why do we dance, so to speak, on Paula Deen's (future) grave, but not Anne Willan's (or one of the large classic French chefs)?
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~
                  i'm not dancing on anyone's grave, but a traditional entree portion of one of those classically rich & heavy French dishes is probably smaller than an appetizer if Paula Deen is doing the plating.

                  and as far as i know, none of those classical French chefs ever decided it would be a grand idea to batter & deep fry a stick of butter for a snack...

                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                    And who taught us about the deep fried Mars Bar? (on Cooks Tour) - OK - so half of Scotland has eaten one. :)

                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                      We visit Paris every other year or so and make a point of dining out at the better bistros and restaurants.

                      French portions, especially at the high end traditional bistros, are enormous. There were plenty of cream and butter and cheese involved in our meals.

                      1. re: Roland Parker

                        but restaurant dining is a separate issue. if instead, you joined the average French family for all your meals and they served the same everyday fare they normally eat themselves, do you really think it would all be like that? Paula Deen's audience is comprised of cooks who use her recipes to feed their families at home. that's much different than the occasional high-end restaurant meal, which, in this country as well, is typically very rich & heavy.

                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                          But do we really know how Paula's show and recipes affect the eating habits of her audience? I think there's a lot of supposition and projection Another poster claimed that many recipes can be found in church and community cookbooks from 50 years ago. Even the notorious canned peas with butter recipe comes from a show remembering the mother of a former American president.

                          One way you can search recipes on FN is by 'most popular'. Such a list is better way of looking at her impact than picking the most notorious ones (e.g. deep fried butter stick).

                          1. re: paulj

                            yes, i know how to search for recipes on FN and since you brought it up, her "most popular" recipe there is a chicken & rice casserole that calls for a can of condensed soup, a cup of mayo, and a cup of cheese. #2 is a pot pie with puff pastry, butter, and a quart of heavy cream. #3 is a recipe for chicken & dumplings which, for some reason, calls for the addition of a can of condensed cream soup to the broth. 3 others in the top ten are variations on fried chicken; there are two more creamy casseroles; her "hot chicken salad" contains a cup of mayo, a cup of cheese, 1/2 cup nuts AND potato chips; and to round out our top ten, her Mexican Chicken calls for nearly a *quart* of various canned cream soups and 2 cups of cheese.

                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                              The top 10 are all chicken, mostly breast.

                              >>> chicken & rice casserole that calls for a can of condensed soup, a cup of mayo, and a cup of cheese.

                              6-8 servings, about 2T of mayo, 1/2oz cheese per person

                              >>> #2 is a pot pie with puff pastry, butter, and a quart of heavy cream.

                              for 4 2c servings; puff pastry probably has as much fat as any other pie crust (top only), The butter and cream is used to make a bechamel, which could be a bit lighter with milk instead.

                              >>> #3 is a recipe for chicken & dumplings which, for some reason, calls for the addition of a can of condensed cream soup to the broth.

                              Nothing particularly high fat about this recipe. The can soup may not be 'classy' but it isn't unhealthy. The dumplings are the no-fat noodle style (not biscuits).

                              >>> 3 others in the top ten are variations on fried chicken;
                              What's more southern than fried chicken? Including a grandmother's version.

                              >>> there are two more creamy casseroles;
                              and casseroles for church potluck.

                              >>> her "hot chicken salad" contains a cup of mayo, a cup of cheese, 1/2 cup nuts AND potato chips;

                              And what do you use for crunch in chicken salad (just celery?). The mayo and cheese as in #1.

                              >>> and to round out our top ten, her Mexican Chicken calls for nearly a *quart* of various canned cream soups and 2 cups of cheese.

                              A can per cup of chicken, and 1/2c of cheese.

                              1. re: paulj

                                And what do you use for crunch in chicken salad (just celery?).
                                ~~~~~~~~~~
                                and onion, and perhaps a sprinkle of sunflower seeds or chopped nuts. and i don't add grated cheddar, nor do i use such a huge amount of mayo. for kicks, i checked out some random chicken salad recipes on the FN site - i even skipped Ellie Krieger and went for the ones from Ina, Emeril, Guy, Rachael, FN magazine, the Neelys, etc - and every one of those recipes called for more chicken and less mayo (or in some cases, ranch dressing) than Paula's recipe.

                                as for the fried chicken, of *course* it's a typical southern dish, that wasn't my point, but it actually helps make mine. YOU were the one who suggested we should look at her most popular recipes to see what kind of impact she has on the cooking/eating habits of her audience...and there you go. fried chicken, chicken salad that contains more dressing & add-ins than actual chicken, and creamy casseroles that provide more sodium per serving (thanks to all the cheese and canned soup & vegetables) than i consume in an entire day.

                                not a single one of those 10 recipes called for a fresh vegetable besides onion or celery, and the sum total of green vegetables in all of them amounts to 3 cans of green beans, 1 package of frozen broccoli, and 1 cup of peas.

                                we could go back & forth on this all night. i get the feeling you're just trying to pick a fight with me, but there's no need for it. i think her recipes rely far too much on canned, processed, high-sodium & high-fat ingredients, and that it's unreasonable for people to be eating that way on a regular basis. you don't. we're both entitled to our opinions.

                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                  Hear, hear, ghg.
                                  The foods and products that PD pimps will never, ever be construed as healthy by anybody with common sense.

                            2. re: paulj

                              "But do we really know how Paula's show and recipes affect the eating habits of her audience?"

                              We don't have a scientifically accurate way of gauging that, no. But she's a tremendously popular food celeb in a society that is (a) obese and (b) celeb-bedazzled. Shouldn't she be held responsible for some of this?

                              I remember when, in the 1980s, Julia Child was criticized by the health Hamas for using butter and sugar, etc. She responded that portion size was critical - and can anyone doubt her? Look at photographs of Julia from her youth and into middle age - she was a tall, skinny stick! And the country was mostly normal weight.

                              Paula Deen is a fat, blowsy pig hawking childish food in ENORMOUS portions. She smokes, and the country she is conning is full of obese people who are heading towards health armageddon. She's awful.

                              My two cents.

                              1. re: gothamette

                                Lol gothamette. Anthony Bourdain just read your post, went out to the kitchen and poured out his bottle of Campari, crushed his pack of cigs and tossed them into the trash, tiptoed in and kissed his sleeping daughter, then went off to bed shaking his head and saying, "Man, that post went too far."

                                ;^)

                                1. re: DuchessNukem

                                  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

                                2. re: gothamette

                                  Even worse she made millions doing this and kept her diabetes secret for years so she could keep hauling in her millions. She has profited mightily spreading her trashy food and giving the foolish "permission" to cook the same unhealthy food. I am not a health nazi. If a cook likes to use a lot of butter and canned mushroom soup so be it.

                                  But Paula Dean Incorporated was cynically pushing a lifestyle that Dean knew was harming her (post diabetes diagnosis) and the gullible just to keep raking in the $$$$$$. And diabetes treatment in Medicare in Medicaid is the fastest growing expenditure. This is costing us all and Dean was promoting more diabetes cases.

                                  1. re: zzDan

                                    Amen, zzDan. And anyone who thinks I was too tough on the prize hog should read this:

                                    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/paula-de...

                                    ""Diabetes is the most expensive illness to treat," said Wolper. "It does not go away and requires drugs every day, and often many drugs... [Note: this is wrong, see below.] The obesity and diabetes in the US is costing us all a fortune, and causing health insurance costs to skyrocket. Should Paula Deen lose a lot of weight and influence others to do so, and should she show those who watch her show how to do it, she could become a goddess."

                                    This is serious stuff. It goes well beyond a spat between Paula Deen and Anthony Bourdain!

                                    Actually, it IS possible to reverse diabetes. You have to reconcile yourself, at least temporarily, to a lifestyle totally against what Paula Deen shills. Here is the proof:

                                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark...

                                    You must eat a very low calorie diet for one to eight weeks. VCL meaning 600 calories a day. I would be the first person to admit (having done it for weight loss purposes) that eating 600 calories a day sucks. I never liked it, or got used to it. But I needed to lose weight, and I did and I've kept it off.

                                    If I had diabetes, this would be a no-brainer. I'd do it and at least see what happens. Isn't being food-deprived for 1 to 8 weeks better than a lifetime of medications? Which really don't cure what ails you?

                                  2. re: gothamette

                                    Julia smoked like a chimney and had lots of issues with her weight - read her biography. However I remain her loyal fan - she was a product of her day.
                                    Possibly so is Paula - we're a fast food nation of fatties.

                                    1. re: Berheenia

                                      Julia had a weight problem later on, after she was 50 or so. As a younger woman she was strikingly thin. How old was she when she started smoking?

                                      1. re: gothamette

                                        Probably in college or in the service - everyone smoke ithen...

                                        1. re: Berheenia

                                          But Julia didn't actively promote smoking...whereas PD encourages a bad diet then profits from the consequences.

                                          1. re: coney with everything

                                            good points. And Julia didn't battle her weight until at least age 60 (like most of us.) Before that she was strikingly thin. (Meryl Streep didn't look a thing like her in J&J, IMO.)

                                3. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                  Yeah but, I watch Paula Deen quite a bit and have never made one of her dishes, and I doubt most home cooks feed their family a steady diet of her cooking. What I have done is make several dishes from Paul Prudhomme's "Louisiana Cooking" and this make Paula's food look like spa cuisine. My point is that for many a Paula dish is a splurge of fat and flavor to be enjoyed on occasion, much as a Paul Prudhomme meal or a night out at an upscale restaurant. A home cook such as myself is just as likely to choose healthier options than the ones listed above.

                                4. re: Roland Parker

                                  The French are getting more careful about what they eat, and in what amount, due to recession and awareness.

                              2. re: paulj

                                whoa. anne willan is great! why attack her specifically? she's always been more of an educator/teacher than a ham-and-mattress shill or "personality." what an uncalled-for comparison!

                                1. re: soupkitten

                                  Anne Willan is a very good cook and I prize her cookbooks, but she doesn't shy away from featuring recipes calling for large quantities of cream, sugar and butter, as one does find in traditional French cooking.

                                  Par for par, many of her dishes are probably just as unhealthy as many of Deen's dishes.

                                  1. re: Roland Parker

                                    There are a lot of differences between the two, I think the key one is the attitude about food. I wish Paula luck, she has a lot to overcome.

                                    1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                      What is this attitude about food you are referring to?

                                      Paula has always come across as a bubbly and cheerful personality telling us that what she's making is "wow, this is really good, you're going to love it," and I gather most people who do make what she features are also going to think the dish is really good too.

                                      Likewise, when I read through an Anne Willan recipe, I think to myself: wow, this looks really good, and it is almost always very good and I'm happy.

                                      I wouldn't presume to criticise other people, especially people I do not know, for what kinds of food they like to eat.

                                      1. re: Roland Parker

                                        I don't want to argue. I made my point, you made yours, cheers!

                                    2. re: Roland Parker

                                      I don't think Anne Willan has ever and I mean EVER made a burger between two slices of glazed doughnut nor has she every made a Lasagna sandwich. Both of which Paula Deen has done. Yes. There are a great many French dishes that incorporate heavy cream and butter into their recipes. However the portions are smaller and those dishes are not something that you eat every day. I can speak for my self. When we visit hubs relatives in Paris annually, our "at home" meals are healthier and the portions are smaller--even the wine gets watered down at some point. In addition, we walk off all the extra calories. It is all a matter of respect. I think Deen uses food more as entertainment value than anything else. I certainly give her props for making it out of her poverty-ridden past, but enough is enough!

                                      1. re: jarona

                                        Yes, that's the word she used to describe her shows and cooking: entertainment.

                                  2. re: paulj

                                    Yeah, the butter-slingers in French cuisine are sometimes pushing an envelope, too, exploiting tricks to create addicting dishes.  Certain combinations of fat, sugar and salt trigger the brain to release oxytocin, an addicting brain chemical.   Other combinations stimulate the brain to release serotonin, an anti-depressant.  The Paula Deens of the world, and her counterparts in rich, heavy French cooking, are getting a lot if their mileage from pushing the brain's food addiction buttons.

                                    To me, the heavy preparations of classic French cuisine that were codified by Careme & Escoffier are interesting, and cool to know, but I'm way more interested in what Laura Calder teaches, which is how to cook for yourself and friends, and in the regional, seasonal and specialty cuisines of France.

                                    I recently ordered a couple of "Cuisine Minceur" books. These are from a movement in haute cuisine in the latter half of the 20th century to lighten up the food. I haven't cracked them open yet, but supposedly they still use butter, etc, but not as a crutch.

                                    1. re: paulj

                                      I actually LOST weight when I started cooking the Julia Child cookbook. French food is heavy on subtle flavor and thus is eaten more slowly, and makes you feel full faster. PD cooking is what they call "hyperpalatable". Its short on flavor and heavy on fat, which triggers a binge impulse.

                                      1. re: tigercrane

                                        Yes! And maybe the very technique itself brings on a more thoughtful response to eating. Paula Deen's "technique" if you can call it that, involves slapping together cheap ingredients at maximum speed. It's the essence of gluttony. We have to cure ourselves of that if we want to tackle our obesity epidemic. (Cards on the table: I have lost over the years 60 pounds. I was as bad as anybody. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but myself.)

                                    2. To top it all off, (this is not a joke) Paula Deen is going to be a spokesperson for Novartus - the manufacturer of the diabetes medication she currently takes. This does indeed take the cake. I am hoping that I can be spokesperson for the stent manufacturer or the stainless steel that resides in my right foot. This bogles the imagination.

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                                      1. re: mzsnowhite

                                        maybe she'll earn enough to buy a treadmill and do something about her health.

                                        1. re: mzsnowhite

                                          this part i believe is slightly insulting to the people taking Novartus and working hard at reducing their diabetes risk. even if she doesnt eat like that off screen most the time, the way she promotes high-calorie and high-carb cooking does not mix well with a drug spokesperson

                                          1. re: mattstolz

                                            actually, in all fairness to Ms Deen we should set the record straight on this one. Novartis released the following statement:

                                            "The rumors that Novartis has signed a multi-million dollar spokesperson deal with Paula Deen for a Diabetes treatment are not true. Novartis is not working with Ms. Deen."

                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                              Just because it's a clear, reasonable perspective: "When your signature dish is hamburger in between a doughnut, and you've been cheerfully selling this stuff knowing all along that you've got Type 2 diabetes ... it's in bad taste if nothing else." - Anthony Bourdain

                                              Here's a link to a WSJ article announcing all the Deen drama, if anyone is interested:

                                              http://online.wsj.com/article/APbb01b...

                                              1. re: lynnlato

                                                Mean while on The Hangover, London, Tony stumbled upon another Italian drinking club in Soho ...

                                                1. re: paulj

                                                  That's my thought, too. It's not as if Bourdain lives anything close to a healthy lifestyle that he has room to talk--he boasts about overdrinking, eschews vegetables and loves his meats, makes fun of people who eat healthy foods, glorifies his drug days. I'll bet Paula would be more sympathetic if he ever needed a liver transplant.

                                                  1. re: chowser

                                                    By all accounts, Bourdain just happens to be winning the genetic lottery at this point in time. He should parse his words carefully and take inventory of what he's telling you to do on your next "Layover".
                                                    After heroin (and whatever drugs), smoking, drinking to excess, eschewing a healthy diet and eating fatty animal products even though he's on medication for high cholesterol, there but for the grace of God, go him too.
                                                    Just because he's walking around a thin, good-looking guy doesn't make him any better than Paula. In many ways, he's worse.
                                                    And I love watching him, btw. I just don't adopt what he does. Same goes for Paula. It's entertainment, at the end of the day.

                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                      I don't have a problem w/ Bourdain, actually, or what he does. I just think it's hypocritical that he is criticizing Paula. It's all entertainment, as you said, and what adults want to do is their business.

                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                        But, he admits to it. He's honest about it. He's not beating around the bush when asked point blank about his eating habits, then take money from a meds company to do the job that a good diet and exercise can accomplish.

                                                  2. re: lynnlato

                                                    This was all about the Benjamins,
                                                    More than bad taste. Paula Dean is a business that was able to keep raking in the millions for the last three years by hiding her diabetes. The food she made a television lifestyle out of had given her a serious ailment. Paula Dean Incorporated would still be hiding this farce but the rumors were getting too strong

                                                    1. re: zzDan

                                                      Yup. I also read in the paper today that her sons are also paid spokespeople for the drugmaker Novo Nordisk. Interestingly, her son Bobby has a new FN show "Not My Mama's Mama's" which showcases healthy meals.

                                                      Wow, what a mix of contrasting messages all coming from the same brand... all the while the money rolls in. I wonder how her brand will weather this shit storm. It sure ain't looking good right now.

                                              2. re: mzsnowhite

                                                Ok, all you naysayers - Paula Deen IS working with Novo Nordisk. Follow this link for the press release. I wonder if she'll be slinging a Smithfield ham when filming the Novo Nordisk ads.

                                                http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

                                                1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                  interesting that they issued a formal denial to HuffPo a few days ago and now this comes out.

                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                    Novartus issued the denial. It's a different company.

                                                    1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                      ah! thanks for the clarification - totally missed that.

                                                      1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                        Novartis. :-)

                                                2. So at this point it is all heresay? Really people ... why don't you CONFIRM your rumors before putting the poor woman's head on a spike? I'm not defending her cooking skills or recipes -- there's plenty of butter & sugar in a lot of other cookbooks too. She's not a "shill for diabetic meds" - Novartis has confirmed it. IF this turns out to be true, it would put a new face on diabetes, and make even a few more people aware of it. She could advocate testing, and help an even wider *ahem* audience understand the disease. Its not ALL about money -- its about health and prevention.

                                                  1. She disgusts me with the mindless over_the_top cuisine she propagated. She devalued any food education. She made millions off it and can now retire in comfort with her diabetes restricted diet.
                                                    No one will watch her re-inventing herself. Her TV career is kaput

                                                    1. I am not fond of PD either. But NIDDM is not solely a lifestyle disease, despite what some websites say. I was a nurse for 30 years, and have seen rail-thin folks with it, although it was called Adult Onset Diabetes Mellitus back then in, oh, the Hoover Administration.

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                                                      1. re: lemons

                                                        You are right, it's not always solely a life style decision, however, I believe 90% of new T2DM cases are in obese people.

                                                        1. re: chezwhitey

                                                          Care to cite your source?

                                                          My FIL had diabetes, and he was never obese. My father had diabetes, and while he was overweight, he was never obese.

                                                          You are correct to assume that being overweight and old seem to be indicators for type 2 diabetes. However my 93 year old mother is quite obese, and she does not have diabetes.

                                                          1. re: sueatmo

                                                            http://decadeofdiscovery.org/about-di...

                                                            The link between obesity and T2DM is well known. You don't have to be obese to get T2DM, but it certainly increases your risk. Basically, you are adding bullets to the chamber by being obese. Not all obese people become diabetic, however obesity can lead to several other problems including arthritis, heart disease, stroke, etc.

                                                            1. re: chezwhitey

                                                              I agree totally. I seem to sense that people equate obesity with diabetes. I am quite sure that being overweight can lead to diabetes, especially with no exercise in the mix. But not all obese people have diabetes.

                                                              1. re: sueatmo

                                                                I think you are right sueatmo. I think many people equate diabetes with obesity because we know that you don't become obese just eating your meat and veggies. Most obese adult's diets are carb loaded, often fat loaded, and they tend to be sedentary. Those are all markers for your doctor to check for diabetes- even if you don't have any symptoms. "Profiling" is pretty common in the medical field. One of my best buddies is an MD and said she checks anyone with the "4 F's" for diabetes and gallbladder problems. The 4 F's are: over Forty, Female, Fat and Farty. You can't do anything about the first two- but the second two issues are diet related.

                                                                1. re: sedimental

                                                                  http://tinyurl.com/87bxu5n

                                                                  I read this today in the Daily Beast. It is worth reading.

                                                                  I am one of those who doesn't drop weight very fast, and who has trouble maintaining even a minor weight loss. I don't eat many carbs. I stopped 2 years ago, but it really hasn't affected my long term weight, although I did lose some weight at first.

                                                                  Recently I have heard of a study that decided it was calories that caused weight gain, not simply carbs or fats. I personally think that there must be many permutations in the body mechanisms of us all, that influence weight gain or loss.

                                                                  1. re: sueatmo

                                                                    Calories causing weight gain.... well, yeah. Of course. Taking in more calories than one expends causes weight gain. That's a rather well-known concept.

                                                                    1. re: wyogal

                                                                      @wyogal, Low-carb dieters dispute that calories count. They claim that fat weight gain is a product of a metabolism deranged by too much carbohydrate intake. I totally disagree with their philosophy but I think that is what sueatmo is referring to.

                                                                      1. re: gothamette

                                                                        They can dispute it all they want. It's basic science.

                                                                        1. re: wyogal

                                                                          Not necessarily. The thing is, you can read verification of anything, with studies backing it up. Some people do apparently lose weight eating high fat and low carb.

                                                                          It is easy to embrace a view that something is simple, when it isn't, and you haven't experienced the complexity of an arduous task yourself. Cuts both ways.

                                                                          I think PD, in interviews, is acknowledging complexity, but not acknowledging a basic truth: that her cooking is not healthy. But I hesitate to demonize her. Never watched her show, by the way.

                                                                          1. re: sueatmo

                                                                            "and you haven't experienced the complexity of an arduous task yourself."
                                                                            and you know this because....????????????? You assume too much.

                                                                            1. re: wyogal

                                                                              From experience.

                                                                              1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                Mine, too. Along with reversal of long standing diabetic complications and weight maintenance... going into my 15th year. No one ever got less healthy by replacing starch and sugars with vegetables, which is what low carbing does.

                                                                            2. re: sueatmo

                                                                              Yes, some people do lose weight eating high fat, high protein and low carb - because they are satiated with less calories. It all does come down to calories. Some folks due to genetic makeup do better by eating less carbs in their macronutrient balance. Some don't. But the dogmatic LCers dismiss calories as an outmoded concept and they are just wrong. Good luck with your weight loss!

                                                                              1. re: gothamette

                                                                                exactly.

                                                                                1. re: gothamette

                                                                                  you haven't read the research; low carbers lose twice the weight while eating 50% more calories. In other news at this hour: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/08...

                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                    Where does it say that low carbers ate 50% more calories. This jumped out at me immediately:

                                                                                    "They were randomly assigned to one of three diets: a two-day-a-week low-carb diet that restricted calories to 650 on the carb-free days"

                                                                                    That is, in effect, an intermittent fast. Which I subscribe to wholeheartedly.

                                                                                    This is not proof of the LC dogma, which is that cutting out carbs will boost your metabolism and result in life-long fat weight loss.

                                                                                    Sorry, there's loads of research of metabolic ward patients that supports the negative energy balance theory (Eat Less, Move More.)

                                                                                    1. re: gothamette

                                                                                      The Schneider hospital pediatrics study for one, and other adult studies before that. My experience before those studies with weighing, measuring and documenting every bite mirrored it. I maintained my weight on exactly 50% more calories on low carb vs. low fat, high carb.

                                                                                      There are so many studies demonstrating that fat, for instance, raises neither insulin nor glucagon hence does not have the same stimulatory effects on fat storage. Protein converts much more slowly and only at a rate of about 58% to glucose over hours. Carbs all convert, rather rapidly, to glucose excess which is why so much more of them end up converted to triglycerides and stored as fat.

                                                                              2. re: wyogal

                                                                                you are preaching to the converted here, but....basic science never convinced a dogmatist. Dogmatic LCers insist that calories don't count. LC forums are full of people who lament, "stuck at 230 pounds, what am I doing wrong?" (Answer: you are eating too much.)

                                                                                1. re: wyogal

                                                                                  No, it actually isn't to those who *read* the science and not the opinions tossed around.

                                                                                  1. re: wyogal

                                                                                    even "basic science" can get turned on its head sometimes, particularly when hormones are involved. i'm living, breathing proof of that, and i know several other people whose experiences have also completely upended the notion that weight is only about calories in/calories out.

                                                                                  2. re: gothamette

                                                                                    No, low carbers know that different calories are metabolized differently, hence the innumerable studies finding that low carbers lose more weight on higher calories while preserving more heavy lean body mass. Calories count, but different sources of calories count differently in promoting fat storage.

                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                      I'm happy to hear that you've found a way to reverse kidney damage. I hope you keep it off and maintain health. One thing we can all agree on: SAD (Standard American Diet) is a disaster. And that's what Paula Deen pushes. It's not Deen's fault that anyone buys into her garbage but she's gotten rich on "selling crutches to the crippled" and Bourdain was right to slam her for it. That's all I've really got to say on the subject.

                                                                                      1. re: gothamette

                                                                                        I couldn't agree more with Bourdain about PD's hypocrisy, but I don't think she's pushing the SAD so much as she's pushing excess to grotesque proportions. I mean, I don't see hamburgers with doughnut buns on any menus yet, anyhoo.

                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                          mcf:

                                                                                          http://dcist.com/2011/01/churchkeys_n...

                                                                                          1. re: woodleyparkhound

                                                                                            The exception doesn't count. :-)

                                                                                2. re: sueatmo

                                                                                  @suietmo, this isn't a diet forum but I had to respond to what you said. I was a low-carb dieter for years. I also find it hard to lose weight. I brainwashed myself into believing low-carb dogma. I am past 50 and thought I could not lose weight. Long story short, I went on a series of intermittent fasts (google the term) and lost 21 pounds. It wasn't easy but I cannot tell you how much better I feel. Give it a try. Going 24 hours without eating won't kill you. The secret of weight loss is: "Eat Less, Move More." Every metabolic ward study where people's caloric intakes are measured proves that calories count. Best of luck.

                                                                                  1. re: gothamette

                                                                                    Thanks for sharing your experience. I will look into it.

                                                                                    1. re: gothamette

                                                                                      I've been increasingly low carb for about 14 years, maintaining reversal of diabetic kidney damage to better than normal, same with peripheral neuropathies and maintain blood glucose in non diabetic numbers sans medications all this time. That doesn't mean everyone will. Nor will everyone have your experience. There are so many hormones and receptor variances that will alter metabolism and fat storage patterns that no two people are alike in processing macronutrients.

                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                        I know. Your story is very inspiring. But you had to find out what worked for you.

                                                                                        1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                          Everyone does. Your body, your science experiment.

                                                                              3. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                Actually, obesity is a marker for the risk, not the risk itself. The same metabolic problems that cause diabetes promote obesity.

                                                                          2. re: lemons

                                                                            Being rail thin is not proof of good health or of living a healthy lifestyle, nor does being thin indicate that one is not over-fat. There are plenty of "skinny fat" people around -- people who appear thin but who have too much body fat. They are thin because they have no muscles. Other lifestyle factors that can lead to Type 2 diabetes include lack of exercise and eating a sugar/carbohydrate rich diet.

                                                                            1. re: taos

                                                                              This is true, and well documented. Skinny or fat, where your body stores its fat is more telling than how fat one is.

                                                                          3. Why should we all be excited by the news? Her recipes do not belong to the regular diet type ones. Now I hear she smokes. I am sure she is well aware of the dangers she is facing. I feel sorry for her but I think her site should come with az advertisement such as ''Beware.. Might be hazardous to your health.'' With so many shows putting us in front of x-large portions of food, x-large calories dishes, no wonder so many of us end up being obese...

                                                                            1. Here's the thing. If there was no interest in PD's type of cooking, there would be no Paula Deen as we know her. People want to make her recipes. Why else would they buy her cookbooks? Or watch her show?

                                                                              If she has type 2 Diabetes, she should admit this, and move forward in some way. She can't be unaware that her recipes are not healthy.

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                                                                              1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                My guess is that people watch more for the entertainment than the recipes - but that's based largely on surfing past her shows, not watching for any length of time.

                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                  I don't like her style of cooking, and I have a hard time listening to her talk. So I don't watch.

                                                                                  If she is diabetic, I'm not overjoyed. But she has made a fortune cooking unhealthy food, so she should be able to afford good treatment for herself, if she has the disease.

                                                                                  1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                    A type two who's insulin dependent was either diabetic many years prior to diagnosis, or getting very bad medical treatment. Eating carbs and compensating with meds instead of limiting carbs has proven to result in higher mortality. Moderation plus insulin in type 2 does not compute.

                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                      She must have been diagnosed as pre-diabetic at the very least. At that point, she should have resorted to a lifestyle change, and morally done the right thing and toned down her recipes at that point. Metformin can only do so much for someone who continues to insult the system with excess energy.

                                                                                      1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                        She's not on metformin, she's on insulin. Not only that, by the time folks are diagnosed pre diabetes, most have been diabetic for years, which is why so many "pre diabetics" have kidney, nerve and retina damage. Fasting insulin takes years to rise in diabetes, post meal glucose the first hour after eating is first, followed by 2 hour post meal glucose, then fasting.

                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                          How do you know she's not on metfromin? If she's diabetic, chances are she's insulin resistant as well. Most therapies these days combine metformin which is essentially the gold standard in diabetes therapy with other drugs.

                                                                                          Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, I don't think it's possible to be diagnosed as pre-diabetic and already be diabetic.

                                                                                          1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                            She may be, but it would be an unusual choice with Victoza at this point, more like metformin monotherapy with diet modification unless she's a very advanced diabetic. She's hawking Victoza, which is what she says she's using. Many type 2s are not insulin resistant, I no longer am, have a very low fasting insulin and metformin made me very ill, while doing almost nothing to lower my blood glucose. There are a lot of things that can lead to diabetes other than insulin resistance, though low fat, high carb diets have made IR pretty pervasive.

                                                                                            I've been diabetic for decades, much of it undiagnosed, and have never had a diagnostic HbA1c nor fbg to this day.. But by buying a meter and testing myself post meal, I found out why I had protein in my pee and severe nerve pain and numbness.

                                                                                            By the time you reach the arbitrary and unscientific criteria for diagnosis of type 2 DM, the delay in diagnosis has typically resulted in loss about 50% of pancreatic insulin producing mass. I define the disease as what the patient has, not what some drug or insurance company decides it is on paper.

                                                                              2. I don't get the Paula Deen hate. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but that's just because I don't find her enjoyable to watch, and I don't care for her constant merchandising, but apparently there is enough demand that companies are willing to pay her to put her name on things. My general feeling is that if a product has to have a celebrity's name printed on it to sell, whether it be Paula Deen, Wolfgang Puck, or Kenny Rogers, it probably isn't worth buying.

                                                                                The food itself is unhealthy, sure, but a lot of it is classic southern fare, it has a place. I don't think anyone is saying that you should cook Deen's recipes every day, but for an occasional indulgence, why not? Plenty of TV chefs have a lot of unhealthy dishes. Sure, Deen's shtick is lots of butter and 'damn the calories, this tastes good', but she's never tried to pass it off as health food.

                                                                                If Paula has the beetus I think it's in poor taste to be saying 'serves you right'. She hasn't been forcing pound cake down anyone's throat. If as a nation we have a problem with unhealthy eating we need to take personal responsibility for what we put in our own mouths, not vilify those that show recipes that could contribute to obesity if prepared and eaten to excess, but are fine, and in fact delicious, if enjoyed on occasion and in moderation.

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                                                                                1. re: TuteTibiImperes

                                                                                  I have to agree. It made me sad to see how many people had the "serves her right" reaction.

                                                                                  1. re: Terrie H.

                                                                                    If she does have diabetes, it is sad and I am not saying it serves her right, but I do feel that it is like drinking to much alcohol, you may have a hangover and if you drive you may get caught. I can't believe she didn't know the consequences of an unhealthy, overindulgent diet, plus encouraging her fans to the same.

                                                                                    1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                      I agree Tute. I find it distasteful to say the least to read most of the comments posted here. And there are a whole lot of vastly overweight male celebrity chefs and I wonder if we would be reading the same kinds of comments if one of them turned up with type 2 diabetes?

                                                                                      1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                        You are jumping to an unreasonable conclusion if you think that her diabetes is merely a consequence of her diet. Genetics is the most important factor, followed by weight, age, and amount of exercize. I don't know that Deen was particularly overweight. Was she? Did she encourage her listeners to overindulge? She is saying that she encouraged moderation. I never followed her, so don't know, but this seems like a pretty weak case for blaming someone for their own medical problem.

                                                                                        1. re: GH1618

                                                                                          Really? Please cite some peer reviewed journals that state that genetics is THE single most important factor in the development in T2DM. And you really couldn't tell if Deen was overweight? Come on.

                                                                                          1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                            I've never seen PD, except for pictures on the news pages. It's been reported that she needs to lose some weight, as many people do.

                                                                                            As for the genetic factor, here's a summary of the causes of Type 2 Diabetes from the NIH:

                                                                                            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhea...

                                                                                            1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                              If genetics were determinative rather than diet, I guess type 2 would still be "adult onset diabetes" instead of becoming a pediatric disease in the first decade of the grain based food pyramid.

                                                                                            2. re: GH1618

                                                                                              Her style of cooking - a burger on a doughnut bun, for instance - is gluttonous excess in and of itself, don't you think?

                                                                                              Genetics, obesity, 45+ yrs old, ethnicity (african americans, asians & hispanics are at greater risk), lack of exercise, etc. are all risk factors. Not to mention a high fat & high carb diet and metabolic syndrome combined with these factors will increase your chances of developing Type 2 Diabetes.

                                                                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
                                                                                                She has lost some weight, but yes, she's fat.
                                                                                                Not once did she take responsibility for her diet, and the comments about "moderation" is an attempt to keep her $$$ flowing.
                                                                                                And if you have ever watched her show, of course she is encouraging people to overindulge.

                                                                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                  Paula Deen lived an ideal life for someone who wanted to become a diabetic. And, she might have talked about moderation but that's like Newt Gingrich preaching monogamy and the sanctity of marriage. Nothing about what she did was in moderation.

                                                                                            3. re: TuteTibiImperes

                                                                                              just to clarify my position in case there was any question, i don't hate her at all. in fact, i've said on more than one occasion that i respect her as a business woman and give her a lot of credit for tackling some pretty daunting obstacles in life to get where she is today in terms of her success. and i certainly don't think it "serves her right" to have developed this awful disease. my problem with her is the way she champions excess *all the time* and promotes the idea that food only tastes good when it's loaded with butter and/or cream and/or sugar.

                                                                                              1. re: TuteTibiImperes

                                                                                                I don't have any hate for her (my family loves to watch her shows just to laugh our tushes off when she adds another stick of butter), but the fact that she kept her illness hidden for 3 years while continuing to promote her extremely unhealthy foods is a bit disingenuous.To pretend that her current lifestyle habits have not contributed to her diagnosis, as she has done, is also disingenuous - while genetic factors are very important, one can stave off a diabetes diagnosis for years through diet and exercise, according to what my mother was told by doctors. Her insistence that she has always practiced moderation was also a bit hard to swallow - I'm a zaftig girl myself, and I know how you get that way.

                                                                                                Heck, even if she said, "Yeah, my lifestyle has contributed to my problem, but it was a fun ride" I'd accept that. But currently, she's not owning up to it. It would be a private, personal issue, if not for the fact that she advocates a cooking style that aggravates her health issues.

                                                                                              2. Folks, this is obviously an issue that's going to get people riled up, and we appreciate that so far the discussion has mostly been fairly civilized, but there've been some posts taking other people to task for expressing their opinions. We'd like to remind everyone that it's okay to share your opinions about this news story, expressing your opinions of other hounds isn't okay.

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                                                                                                1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                                  Would this post qualify as "Less bashing of TV hosts, please" header that appears on the top of the "Food, Media and News' thread ? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

                                                                                                  1. re: rochfood

                                                                                                    the bashing is not due to her personality so much as it is her hypocrisy.

                                                                                                    1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                      what hypocrisy? she's never claimed to be a health nut or diet guru.

                                                                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                        how about promoting and profiting from this style of cooking for the last 3 years while knowing she has the disease?

                                                                                                        1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                          definition of hypocrisy:
                                                                                                          - a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
                                                                                                          - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

                                                                                                          call her opportunistic and even irresponsible, but she's still not a hypocrite.

                                                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                            That's correct. If she liked and ate the food she promoted, that's not hypocrisy.

                                                                                                            1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                              If her diet really did contribute to her illness as much as posters are assuming, she's actually the opposite of a hypocrite. Far less than the skinny chefs who are cooking the food but clearly not eating it.

                                                                                                              1. re: Savour

                                                                                                                I think the point is she is cooking that fat & carb laden food while being diabetic and being the spokesperson for a Diabetic drug maker - on the down low to boot. That is where the hypocrisy comes into play.

                                                                                                                1. re: lynnlato

                                                                                                                  "on the down low"....lol

                                                                                                                  1. re: lynnlato

                                                                                                                    Exactly. And I hope her brand takes the hit it deserves.

                                                                                                  2. I don't use PD's recipes, but i watch her all the time. I love her house, her family, her *kitchen*, all of her animals etc.
                                                                                                    I wish her all the best in turning a new leaf towards good health. She and her husband need to walk together in this.

                                                                                                    1. OK, I like Paula but today I saw her make a shrimp scampi with a stick of butter. An entire stick!

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                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                        That isn't uncommon.

                                                                                                        1. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                                          Other than baking, I can not remember one dish (savory) that I used that much butter. No way! But yes, it does taste really good with all that butter, that's for sure.

                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                            Joel Robuchon's Pommes Puree has even more ... I believe it's 1:1 butter/potato (by weight).

                                                                                                            1. re: a213b

                                                                                                              crazy talk!

                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                But ungodly delicious.

                                                                                                      2. If she's been taking high cholesterol meds, they can cause Type 2 Diabetes. Just sayin'.

                                                                                                        1. This article/interview in today's paper has background information about her history with diabetes, about how her recipes are changing, and about her relationship with Novo Nordisk.

                                                                                                          http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/d...

                                                                                                          1. I caught Paula's lasagna segment on the Today Show. She was there with her two boys and they are truly behind her and it looks like Paula has already dropped weight. I hope that she can get ahead of her health issues and stick with it so she can inspire others.
                                                                                                            Yes, I know she's been part of the problem, but as long as she's determined to use her fame as part of the solution, I wish her all the best.

                                                                                                            1. She's on the Today Show this morning to address the diabetes "rumors." Should be interesting.

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                                                                                                              1. re: wyogal

                                                                                                                Working with the drug company, was diagnosed 3 years ago. Is a paid spokesperson for the drug company.
                                                                                                                and she looks like she has lost weight. A lot of weight.
                                                                                                                Al is addressing her food, she's replying with the many different causes of diabetes besides food.
                                                                                                                "Are you going to change the way you cook?" She's responding with the "moderation" line, and saying her shows are for "entertainment," and that she's a cook and not a doctor. And telling people that they should seek a doctor's advice, and take your meds.
                                                                                                                Interesting.

                                                                                                                1. re: wyogal

                                                                                                                  Her attitude is pathetic. It's all about the money.

                                                                                                                  1. re: SanityRemoved

                                                                                                                    Yes. I was disappointed that she never answered the questions about her food/eating habits with anything other than "moderation." She never took ownership of her issues, falling back on "genetics" and the whole"there is no one cause" excuses. It was one big advertisement for the new cooking show and the drugs she's pushing.
                                                                                                                    Won't watch her again. Have been cutting back anyway because of her voice and the actual food.

                                                                                                                    1. re: SanityRemoved

                                                                                                                      I agree, and she does push the fatty unhealthy eating lifestyle

                                                                                                                2. I think I was on the road to the same thing before I totally changed the way I eat, starting preparing my own meals, no eating out no processed stuff, pretty scary.

                                                                                                                  1. I did read it, and it really made me question her judgement, which I was already judging anyway per her connection to huge slaughterhouse operations, pimping injected pork products. It makes me pretty angry that she's advocating an unhealthy lifestyle choice, especially considering her illness and the fact that her audience is pretty overweight as well. (Look next time you see her show.) And advocating medicine over dietary changes? The meds. might be necessary, for sure. I've got no prob. with that, but the diet MUST come into play to achieve a full synergy. Her pimping those too, though? People are going to make some bad choices, based on their awe of the lady.
                                                                                                                    Hope nobody takes up smoking.
                                                                                                                    ALL the celeb. chefs are brands now, jarona. They basically ALL have product that has nothing to do with what got them to where they are now: bedding, clothing.......next will be makeup, and tires. She knows what she's about, and she clearly likes the celebrity and of course her portion of the profits from the items that carry her name.
                                                                                                                    I think the whole thing is really suspect, and I don't like it a bit.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                      mamachef--you certainly are correct with ALL the celeb chefs being brands now. We went to BB &B the other day to do some shopping. It really is incredible--in the "pots and pans" and "kitchen" sections we were bombarded with the likeness of Rachel Ray and Emeril and Wolfgang Puck all endorsing/shilling cooking equipment. I, for one, will not fall for that. Giada is selling her wares at Target. I walk right by.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                        I see RR use her stuff on her show, and it looks really awkward to use. I don't like any of the celebrity stuff (except Martha's, ha!). Especially the ladle/scoop thing.
                                                                                                                        Maybe Martha is more practical and outspoken about her product's design.

                                                                                                                        1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                          I do the same thing, jarona. I like the tried-and-true; I use industrial pans at work and at home I use good cookware that I didn't buy because a celebrity chef tried to sell it to me: Caphalon, and good old seasoned cast-iron frying pans. The whole thing just bugs the hell out of me. I did check out one pot from an unnamed celeb chef, and it was laughable - not best quality, for sure: the handle was heavier and better-constructed than the pot, which made it tilt!!

                                                                                                                          1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                            It does my heart good to pick up an Ollie's ad and see that they are featuring RR and PD cookware at low low prices. The last time I made a stop in Ollies, there were two huge tables full of PD cookware.

                                                                                                                            1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                                                                                              My own feelings about celebrity branding do not extend to holding people in contempt if they like that sort of thing. So, that being said, I'm happy for you!!

                                                                                                                              1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                                                                                                I received a small set of PD knives as a gift. Poor knives (and I don't even own super high end ones), and 1 rusted after hand washing. Just trash.

                                                                                                                                I don't wish health problems on anyone, including PD. Hope she can get stabilized and maybe change her cooking style. Remember how Graham Kerr went from galloping gourmet with all the wine and butter to healthier & lighter dishes?

                                                                                                                        2. She may be in queue with the more talented, for posthumous recognition.

                                                                                                                          1. She's just on everyone's radar today. The truth is, it's entirely likely that Emeril has diabetes or is on his way there, that Mario does, probably Guy Fieri, Anne Burrell, Alex Guarnaschelli, the Neely's, and on and on. Most of the tv chef personalities are at an unhealthy weight and pushing unhealthy foods.

                                                                                                                            Throwing down the gauntlet, I think it's unfortunate that restaurant chefs don't really consider the idea of nourishing their customers, rather than hitting them over the head with a ton of salt, fat, and sugar that will taste lovely and that we all will later regret. I don't go so far as to suggest that everyone immediately remove pizza and cheeseburgers from their menus - but just that chefs put some thought into what most doctors and nutrionists have instructed us all to eat, and make that stuff taste good without the crutches.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: sasha1

                                                                                                                              "The truth is, it's entirely likely that Emeril has diabetes or is on his way there, that Mario does, probably Guy Fieri, Anne Burrell, Alex Guarnaschelli, the Neely's, and on and on. Most of the tv chef personalities are at an unhealthy weight and pushing unhealthy foods."

                                                                                                                              And the minute any of those chefs wait to make a big announcement of their diabetes concurrent with announcing an endorsement deal with Big Pharma INSTEAD of promoting lifestyle changes, people will be all over them like white on rice, too.

                                                                                                                              It's the fact that she claimed that she had "nothing to offer" for those three years since her diagnosis that I thought was slimy and disgusting. No, she actually did have a lot to offer, but that would have meant making some changes to her cooking style and taking some responsibility. It appears that she was simply looking for the most lucrative means of "having something to offer."

                                                                                                                              1. re: BabsW

                                                                                                                                Adam Richman of Man vs Food. He promotes extreme eating habits. He annoys me more than all the chefs put together.

                                                                                                                              2. re: sasha1

                                                                                                                                It's clearly an occupational hazard.
                                                                                                                                But it's also possible to go too far in the other direction. I'm thinking here of Alton Brown, someone whose tv shows I've never seen but whom I've come to really respect from his writing.

                                                                                                                                Some of his pictures after his radical diet change looked pretty scary, in my opinion.
                                                                                                                                http://www.seriouseats.com/images/201...
                                                                                                                                www.tinyurl.com/altonbrn

                                                                                                                                We need a much more committed movement of the most gifted chefs (gifted in the kitchen and gifted at selling ideas) to develop food that is:
                                                                                                                                - delicious
                                                                                                                                - filling (portions can be large enough that they actually feel fulfilling)
                                                                                                                                - healthful for a mostly-sedentary population
                                                                                                                                - and, ideally, not completely divorced from even the spirit of traditional flavors we've become so accustomed to

                                                                                                                                Can we please find a happy medium between deep-fried butter and tofu-&-sprouts?

                                                                                                                                1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                  there is also a big difference between being overweight and sedentary and being overweight and active. there are a lot of chefs, or construction workers or daycare providers for that matter-- carrying 20 or more extra pounds around, who are on their feet, up and down stairs, lifting, moving, who are not having the health problems of sedentary office workers. i don't think it's fair or true to conclude that since mario or anne obviously like their wine, cheese and lardo, that they must be diabetic.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                    Alton Brown has gotten really healthy over the past few years and not by eating tofu. He was recently featured in IDEA magazine (for personal trainers) with his new lifestyle and talking about diet. I don't think he's gotten too thin, though one of the hazards of losing weight as you get older is you get gaunt in the face.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                      Looks like the same guy, different lighting, different age.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: tigercrane

                                                                                                                                        Here's the article that I pulled one of those photos from.
                                                                                                                                        Several of the people who commented on the article also felt that he looks overly skeletal there.
                                                                                                                                        http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/01/al...

                                                                                                                                        1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                          Several comments have also complimented him on his healthy changes and some have commented about his running four miles a day (including that runners have a skeletal look!). And, there are the people who have seen him and say he doesn't look gaunt. Really. haven't we all had some bad pictures taken?

                                                                                                                                  2. I don't know why her timing on this announcement would come as a surprise to anyone. She has ALWAYS been about nothing but the money. She is not interested in her fans unless she is being paid to be interested. I know I've mentioned this before, but it seems especially appropriate here.

                                                                                                                                    Last year I watched from backstage as Miss Butta appeared on a TV show with a group of children aged 7 - 12. The TV segment was supposed to be about the children. Deen hijacked the entire few minutes, mangled the kids' names (which she nailed perfectly in rehearsal), and left the children standing around looking useless and stupid. To top it off, four of the kids' moms ran out to buy her books for Deen to autograph. Deen absolutely refused to autograph a single one and would not allow any backstage photos with the children, unlike other guests on the show who were happy to pose with the kids.

                                                                                                                                    I have absolutely no respect for this woman as a person and her timing on this announcement does nothing to change my opinion.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: rockycat

                                                                                                                                      Compare this to Emeril. I attended a taping of his show in NYC and there were a few kids scattered throughout the audience, including one with me. Before the show Emeril called them all up to the set, opened a freezer and told them each to take an ice cream treat. It was just a simple, nice gesture.

                                                                                                                                      I should add, I don't like a lot of Emeril's recipes because I don't like peppers, and I have a bottle of his "Essence" which I tried once and never used again. So while his food may not sing to me, I think he is a very good person and I respect him for that.

                                                                                                                                      I view Ms. Deen as a moneygrubber. Knowing her "aw shucks" gravy train brand might come to an end because of her health, she repackaged her brand via her sons and their new show (which you know will soon be available as a book) and now she has a new brand with a chemical company. Ka and Ching.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                        Rolling out the "new Paula" has been in the works for a long time, no doubt. It's not just Paula that stands to lose. When you have that big of an empire, dozens of people count on your success. Managers, PR people, production and film crew etc., etc.
                                                                                                                                        There is a lot at stake.
                                                                                                                                        I agree that it's no coinkydink that Bobby has been seen more and more on Paula's show, making healthy food. Now, he uses that momentum to propel himself into another cooking show based on reinventing his Mama's unhealthy recipes.
                                                                                                                                        It's a big, slick, money making machine from Food TV to Pharma.

                                                                                                                                    2. Paulj said upthread: "Laura Calder (French Food at Home) was shocked by how much butter and cream was used at LaVerenne cooking school in France (according to the biography shown on Cooking Channel). http://www.lavarenne.com/about.htm
                                                                                                                                      Why do we dance, so to speak, on Paula Deen's (future) grave, but not Anne Willan's (or one of the large classic French chefs)?"

                                                                                                                                      I come to this discussion at a bit of a disadvantage, as I've never seen Paula Deen's tv show (don't watch tv these days other than news and political commentary) and until I saw her name branded on cookingware in the store about 3 months ago, I don't think I've ever seen her name, apart from here on chowhound.

                                                                                                                                      At any rate, here's one answer that's been offered to Paulj's question, as reported in the NYTimes:
                                                                                                                                      "Virginia Willis, a food writer in Atlanta, said that criticisms directed at Ms. Deen often reflect sexism and stereotyping about the South, in addition to food snobbery. 'No one vilifies Michelin chefs for putting sticks of butter in their food,' she said. 'But when a Southern woman does it, that’s tacky.' Contrary to popular belief, however, she said Ms. Deen’s fat-laden cooking does not represent the apotheosis of Southern cuisine."
                                                                                                                                      www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/dining/pau...

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                        Plus, it's not the butter or other fat that's the problem, is what's riding along with it; the combinations are deadly. The excess of everything, too.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: racer x

                                                                                                                                          Chow has a 'stop bashing Paula' article

                                                                                                                                          http://www.chow.com/food-news/103217/...

                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                            It raised an interesting point whether there is an element of sexism in making so much of her weight. I don't recall ever reading anything nasty about Paul Prudhomme for his weight, which was well above ordinary overweight range. His food was better and he was male. Which is the more important reason?

                                                                                                                                            I just looked at Prudhomme's website, by the way. He seems to have lost a lot of weight.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                              Not sure about sexism, but there seem to be definite strong feelings of hatred for the overweight. Its as is PD is an "other." The new racism, is what it feels like to me.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                                                                                Except it's not new. An obese friend, decades ago, told me what to expect as we set out walking down a busy street to have lunch together. I was shocked by how many people in cars passing by yelled out insults about her weight. Lots of folks complain that doctors are the biggest perpetrators... not by commenting on weight, but by dismissing possible testing and supportive interventions.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: sueatmo

                                                                                                                                                  I get the feeling there is an undercurrent of red state vs blue state don't mess with the south type of thing going on in some of the posts here.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                                                                    i just had to chuckle at that comment coming from someone with "whitey" in their screen name ;)

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                      Touché goodhealth!

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                                                                        i'm glad you took my comment in the spirit in which it was intended - all in good fun.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                                                                      I understand why some people are getting their backs up. Yes, I think there is some class and regional condescension going on here. But my cultural sensitivities will not stop me from speaking my mind.

                                                                                                                                                      Enough already! Facts are facts. Paula is a crap cook whose lifestyle choices have led her to a health crisis - which she shares with many other Americans. We have a very expensive and tragic obesity epidemic here.

                                                                                                                                                      I don't like PD not because she's Southern but because she's a fraud. I love Shirley Corriher. She's way more....ample....than Paula Deen.

                                                                                                                                                      Why do I love Shirley? Let me count the ways. No, let me restrict myself to one major overriding reason: she's an expert. She's a trained chemist. She knows her stuff.

                                                                                                                                                      While Paula is a fraud.

                                                                                                                                                      This is not about the South v. North. It's about health, truth and reality.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: gothamette

                                                                                                                                                        What, specifically, is the fraud? Not having watched her, I don't know. Does she claim to be preparing health food.? Does she claim to eat the stuff she prepares, but actually doesn't?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                          From her rollout of her drug campaign, the fraud is that you can eat the same stuff "in moderation" and take Victoza (which, btw, has a lot of serious risks) and live healthfully as a diabetic. And that this means that "diabetes is not a death sentence." IT NEVER WAS... the effects are reversible with the proper dietary modifications, and the ACCORD trials proved that using meds to compensate for a carby diet leads to higher mortality. Saying otherwise is fraudulent.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                            OK, but the FDA regulates drug advertising, and if there are fraudulent claims being made, that's where it should be addressed. A lot of advertising contains nonsense which falls short of fraud.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                              I just think people don't like the whole concept of, well like AB saiid (paraphrased), breaking folks' legs, then selling them crutches.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                Uh huh. The FDA does such a good job of that. :-/ That's why so many approved drugs end up recalled or with all sorts of labels about life threatening effects post marketing, after deaths and injuries. Like the warning on Victoza, which is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                  Warnings were not the issue here, but fraud. In any case, this not the appropriate forum for discussions about medicine, in my opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                    You asked the question. The fraud is the spin she's putting on finally having "something to offer" which is how she explained the delay in going public. It's not all that at all.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                This is really a complaint about Novo Nordisk, not Paula. No one should expect her to sort out the competing medical claims about diet, lifestyle and drug treatments for this disease. I don't trust her claims any more than I trust yours. :)

                                                                                                                                                                By the way, given that you think fat is good and carbs are bad, I surprised that you aren't applauding Paula's attempt to cut way back on her iced tea consumption. That must have been a major source of sugar in her diet.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                        In the preview photos for his new America BF season, Andrew Zimmern appears to be a thinner as well.

                                                                                                                                                  2. Here's the tradeoff/warnings list for the drug Paula is using instead of cutting dietary carbs to prevent blood glucose spikes. There's nothing about donuts or mac and cheese that would make Victoza seem like a better idea to me:

                                                                                                                                                    "Liraglutide injection may increase the risk that you will develop tumors of the thyroid gland, including medullary thyroid carcinoma (MTC; a type of thyroid cancer), which may cause death if it is not treated at an early stage. If you develop thyroid cancer, your thyroid gland may need to be surgically removed. Tell your doctor if you or anyone in your family has or has ever had thyroid cancer, medullary thyroid carcinoma, or Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia syndrome type 2 (MEN 2; condition that causes tumors in more than one gland in the body). If so, your doctor will probably tell you not to use liraglutide injection. If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately: lump or swelling in the neck; hoarseness; difficulty swallowing; or shortness of breath.

                                                                                                                                                    Keep all appointments with your doctor and the laboratory. Your doctor may order certain tests to check your body's response to liraglutide injection.

                                                                                                                                                    Your doctor or pharmacist will give you the manufacturer's patient information sheet (Medication Guide) when you begin treatment with liraglutide injection and each time you refill your prescription. Read the information carefully and ask your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions. You can also visit the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) website (http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/u...) or the manufacturer's website to obtain the Medication Guide.

                                                                                                                                                    Talk to your doctor about the risks of using liraglutide injection." (and he'll tell you everything the drug company told him to.)