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Top Chef Texas - Ep. #10 - 01/11/12 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Jan 11, 2012 07:08 PM

It's time for RESTAURANT WARS!!! And this time it's guys vs girls. And previews don't look good for either team.

They all walk into The Palm D'Or and Padma and Hugh Acheson are there to greet them. Each team will take over the restaurant for one night - the girls get the first night

3 course menu with 2 choices in each course. Someone is designated to run front of house.

And CRAP! I'm dead in the water. The recording has completely stopped and I cannot get it to go any further..will try and fix and continue recap. DAMN VERIZON FIOS!!!!

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OK, here's the recap - ONE DAY LATER! But as I said, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do, and I GOTTA do this recap, even 22 hours later! I'll ask the Mods to move this up to the main post and delete the content from the original. Hope they can do that!

P.S. Please don't respond to this post, as if the Mods can copy and paste it into the main thread, responses will be hanging out there on its own.
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It's time for RESTAURANT WARS!!! And this time it's guys vs girls. And previews don't look good for either team.

They all walk into the Palm Door and Padma and Hugh Acheson are there to greet them - in an empty space. YUP. It's Restaurant Wars! For the first time, RW is a battle of the sexes. Surprise all around. "Boys and girls fighting it out on the playground" said Edward. He did make some snark about Sarah, and Sarah gave some snark about Beverly about Beverly being a wreck in previous team challenges.

Each team will take over the restaurant for *one* night. It's up to each team to build the restaurant from the ground up. Hugh said he wants to see a complete concept - from the name, design, and menu. Each element should be in synch with the others. Then Padma says each team will dine at the other's restaurant.

Padma flips a coin - heads, girls cook first, tails the guys take over first. And it's tails. Hugh says the judges want to see a 3 course menu with 2 choices in each course - for 100 people. Each team must designate a FOH, and each team member must be responsible for one dish. Each team has 5 hours to decorate and cook before service - FIVE HOURS? Padma says that Tom and Emeril will join at judges table. They'll have 45 minutes to menu-plan, and $7,500 at Sur la Table and Garden Ridge.

They scatter to come up with the concepts. Edward chooses to be FOH for the guys, and their name is Canteen - a communal place to eat. The girls choose Lindsey to be FOH for the girls, as she's opened many restaurants for Michelle Bernstein, per Grayson, and she'll be able to stay calm under pressure. (Famous last words? Yes, I read a bit of the posts before typing this! LOL) Farm-to-table is their concept; rustic. Lindsey comes up with Half-Bushel for the name.

As they're planning, the guys work well with coming up with a menu; and yet the women seem to be combating Beverly and her suggestions: "Beets, beets, beets, beets....". Sarah, especially, is all over Beverly and her choices, and makes a face when Beverly suggests short ribs and says "But do you want to do them again?" Grayson backs up Beverly saying "Why not? She's f**king good at them!"

They go CRAZY shopping in Sur la Table and Garden Ridge, a home decor marketplace. (THAT place looks like a place I'd like!) Then they head over to WF to stock up on the food items they need. Sarah and Lindsey are both getting a bit catty about what Beverly's buying. But she seems to stand firm in getting what she wants.

They're back at the The Driskill, planning out how they're going to manage back" at the Palm Door. Chris Jones says the whole scenario is like Star Trek's "Kobayashi Maru," which is a challenge at Star Fleet Academy to test their captains at impossible situations.

The guys head over to Pink Avocado Catering kitchen to prep their food. Ed's helping out in FOH prepping the dining area for Canteen. He's doing everything up front, including cleaning the bathrooms! They have a staff meeting with the servers, and they're off.

But as service starts, there's no one doing the expediting of food to the diners. Edward has to tell people there is a delay in being seated, and some people who have food are finding it to need reheating.

The judges show up - Tom, Hugh, and Emeril and Padma. Service is still screwed up, and Ty-Lor ends up going out front to expedite the service. Emeril realizes that with Ty up front, they're in the weeds The ladies show up to be seated.

The judges get their first appetizer plates:

Ty-Lor: Thai Style Crab & Shrimp Salad, Caramel Fish Sauce & Grilled Peanuts, and then
Paul: Ham & Eggs - a Ham & Pork Paté with Mushrooms, Braised Mustard Seeds and Duck Fat Crostini and some nectarines.

Padma notes that Paul's now out doing the expediting, and Ty-Lor tells Edward to just *let* Paul do the expediting.

The entrees come out to the judges:

Ty-Lor & Paul: Poached Salmon in Warm Tomato Water, Clams, Crispy Salmon Skin and Tomatillo Jam.
Paul: Crispy Skin Pork Belly with Green Apple & Sweet Potato Purée. (That one looks REALLY good!) Immediately, Hugh notes that there are no mushrooms on the salmon.

Dessert is up next:

Edward: Almond Joy is a layer of Almond Joy Cake with Malted Chocolate Mousse & Banana Coconut Purée
Chris J: Homemade Cracker Jack, Cherries and Peanut Butter Ice Cream.

Tom asked "where is the coconut?" on the Almond Joy dessert. Padma said the only thing wrong with Edward's dessert is that they called it Almond Joy.

After the guys are done serving, Chris Jones says in the kitchen "This is what we always do: prep, service, kick ass and go home."

The women note after they've eaten that they're going to have to work together, and really bring it all out tomorrow night, as they realize they've got a lot of work ahead of them. Sarah said she's going to put her blood, sweat and tears into the work tomorrow. Grayson agrees that they'll have to fight, and Lindsey said they'll have to trust each other.

Paul notes that the salmon was underseasoned - and while it was a joint effort between Paul & Ty-Lor, since Paul was expediting, Ty-Lor was responsible for seasoning. Everyone realizes they didn't hit the mark on their restaurant.

They rehash it out when they get back to the Driskill and Edward said that the guys can only hope that the girls start fighting with each other and fall apart during their service.

OK, it's time for the women to take over. Lindsey starts setting up the dining room while the Grayson, Sarah and Beverly start prepping the food. Sarah starts in on Grayson about prepping her dessert when they should be working on other earlier dishes. Lindsey gives a brief overview of her dish to Beverly, who will be responsible for getting it on the plate while Lindsey is out front.

Diners arrive, and Sarah gives Beverly shit for not getting her the olives she had asked for earlier. Beverly's busy trying to get plates out, and Sarah gives a Mom-like tone, treating Beverly like a child. The judges arrive, and Lindsey isn't there to greet them. She's in the kitchen, telling Beverly what to do with her dish. She finally comes out, and realizes they're irritated by being asked to wait.

The guys team show up, and yet again, Lindsey isn't there to greet them. The judges note that there's a large group of people waiting at the hostess stand and they've been there awhile. Meanwhile, Lindsey is being told by a diner that the halibut was overcooked on his dish. She tells Beverly she doesn't want the fish overcooked. Meanwhile, the crowd at the door is even larger. And the judges are getting hungry. FINALLY they get their appetizers.

Grayson: Peach and Arugula Salad with Pickled Shallots, Bacon Vinaigrette and Candied Pistachios.
Sarah: Mozzarella-filled Aranchino with Sweet & Sour Eggplant & Celery Salad.

Both appetizers got very good reviews from the diners and the judges and the guys.

The entrees are delayed as well, so the waitress tells Padma and the judges that she'll speak to Lindsey. Lots of F words being thrown by Lindsey, and Sarah starts bitching at Lindsey, saying *she'll* go out front and tell them why it's delayed. Meanwhile, Grayson is hollering at them "Stop! Stop!" Really girls - just plate the food and get it out there!

Finally the judges get their entrees.

Beverly: Braised Short Ribs with Thai Basil Potato Purée, Apple Slaw and Kimchi
Lindsay: Grilled Halibut over Fingerling Potatoes with Spanish Chorizo, and Fennel & Sherry Salad

The short rib dish was very well received by the judges.

Grayson's been wasting dessert because they're not being taken when they're ready to be served. Lindsey gets bitchy with Grayson, saying she's got to talk to people, and Grayson's getting tired of her attitude. Finally, desserts are brought to the judges:

Grayson: Schaum Torte with Vanilla Meringue & Champagne Berries
Sarah: Hazelnut Cream Italian Doughnuts with Banana Sugar Glaze

Sarah's doughnuts were heavy and not enough banana for Tom, but Grayson's dessert was well liked by Tom - in fact, when he said he wanted a spoon, Padma passes her over so he can get the liquid from the macerated berries.

When Lindsey goes back into the kitchen, she says her dish (halibut) is the worst, so she's mad she wasn't back there in the kitchen. Grayson tells Lindsey that it wasn't Beverly overcooking; that it was probably the wrong cooking procedure. OUCH! Beverly didn't *want* to cook the halibut the way Lindsey said, but she did it anyway as it was *her* dish. Grayson seems to have agreed with Beverly on the cooking method being a problem.

The judges say that the better food was at Half Bushel, but the service was better at Canteen, and that it'll be a tough call as to which team will win Restaurant Wars.

They're all back in the Stew Room, and each the women are bitching at each other, but mostly at Beverly. Padma comes in and asks to see the ladies. Padma asks Lindsey about the FOH and that they noted the buildup to be seated, and Lindsey blames it on a pileup in the kitchen. The rest of the women don't look pleased with that comment. And they've WON! Despite being a mess in the kitchen. Tom acknowledges how hard it was to open a restaurant in just 2 days. They discuss the various dishes, with compliments to Grayson, Beverly, and Sarah, but Lindsey's halibut dish was overcooked. And Beverly wins the top dish of RW - she gets a 3-liter bottle of Episode wine from Terlato Vineyards, and a 3-day/2-night trip to tour their vineyards.

Padma asks that the guys from Canteen at JT. Sarah tells Lindsey that they would not be there if it weren't for Lindsey, and that she deserves as much praise as anyone else. Meanwhile, Beverly and Grayson are smirking behind their hands at what Sarah's saying.

The guys are in front of the judges. Hugh said that they didn't get a "wow" factor on the food. Padma noted that the Top Chef app also noted that the diners also thought that Canteen wasn't the best restaurant either, based on the scores.

Tom asked Chris why he did so little as compared to what Paul did. Chris said he wanted to help out but Tom said he should have done more than just help out. Tom also asked Edward where the coconut was on the Almond Joy - Edward replies it was the powdered stuff. Not good enough, says Tom.

The judges review all of the guy's dishes. Ty-Lor's dishes were very underseasoned, and while it seems like Chris J. is going home based on the editing, I don't think so. (Well, I actually saw the end of the show during the original airing, so I *know* who is told to PYKAG.)

And we're back. Tom reviews all of the guys' dishes, and Padma tells Ty-Lor it's his turn to leave. So he gets to face Nyesha in LCK. And he's very gracious in his farewell in the Stew Room.

Preview for next week - it's Charlize Theron - and OH YAY! My boyfriend, Eric Ripert is there too! Woo hoo!

For LCK: their challenge is to cook a pastry in 30 minutes ... and they get to choose a sous chef from one of the other LCKers! Nyesha notes she has wanted to go up against 2 chefs: Heather and Ty-Lor, as they were the two that made her most uncomfortable and were very rude to her.

Nyesha picks Heather (just to stick it to Ty-Lor), and Ty-Lor picks Malibu Chris. Nyesha goes with a coconut-lime tart, and Ty-Lor wants a chocolate mousse mascarpone with a vanilla-black pepper sauce...the first batch burns. But another batch is made, Heather and Nyesha are working well together, and plating of both dishes goes down to the wire, but they both get done.

Tom liked BOTH desserts, saying they were restaurant-ready. He was very impressed. And he makes his choice.

And I'm done. SO SORRY for the screw-up - I really hope it's resolved by next week!

  1. Withnail42 Jan 11, 2012 07:11 PM

    Do the ladies have an advantage by going the second day? More time to workout any issues?

    Sorry to hear about the FIOS issues.

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      AMFM Jan 11, 2012 08:12 PM

      I think they did because they had less rest. had to make a difference.

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        Miss Needle Jan 11, 2012 08:43 PM

        In addition to the rest, the ladies also had the opportunity to see what they were up against and learn from the guys' mistakes. And they had more time to plan.

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          huiray Jan 11, 2012 09:33 PM

          It seemed so IMO. They definitely had the advantage.

      2. re: Withnail42
        chowser Jan 12, 2012 04:08 AM

        It seemed like a very unfair advantage.

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          mountaincachers Jan 12, 2012 04:22 AM

          The down side of going second is having to listen to the guys talk about what a nightmare it was...definitely could get yourself freaked out listening to them.

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            chowser Jan 12, 2012 04:29 AM

            There are definitely downsides to going second but I think the upsides are so much better, from having extra time to think and plan out, to having more rest, to seeing how the other team did and what could/couldn't be improved especially in this case w/ the kitchen being open--they could see the issues w/ the expediting, up close.

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              huiray Jan 12, 2012 06:57 AM

              Yes - which was probably why they closed off the kitchen... Imagine the judges seeing all that screaming and arm-waving going on, and Lindsay spending so much time arranging and fixing plates and arguing back at the others in the kitchen rather than being out in the front...

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                JAB Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM

                Re Lindsay, and dropping F Bombs. What happened to our Southern Belle?

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                  LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:28 PM

                  Yeah I think Andy Cohen said on Watch What Happens that she said it 12 times in a very short time frame. :-)

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                    Joanie Jan 13, 2012 05:30 AM

                    I don't think I can ever watch that stupid show again. I taped it thinking it was going to be interesting talking about the dynamics of the kitchen, front of house, did the right person go home, etc. But you've got ridiculous questions being asked of Rosie and Hugh, constant unibrow talk, and Andy's freakily twitching eye. He's obnoxious and I'm surprised he's being considered to replace Regis. Not that I watch Regis and Kelly but Andy would be the ultimate turnoff.

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                      John E. Jan 13, 2012 07:23 AM

                      I have watched that show when TC people were appearing and every time I come away from it thnking "That's it"? They could have done so much more with the show". I think the problem is that Andy Cohen thinks people tune in to watch HIM and are not nterested in what his guests hame to say. They waste so much time doing nothing that we never learn anything and are not entertained while nothing is happening.

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                        Joanie Jan 13, 2012 07:39 AM

                        And isn't it supposed to be on 5 nites a week now? More like "Watch the most trivial stuff happening with doofus Andy Cohen". Plus with Tylor standing behind that bar, it's embarrassing all around.

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                          LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 08:02 AM

                          5 nights a week started this week...I think Wednesday night was the first Wednesday for the new week-long format.

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                            bobbert Jan 13, 2012 08:09 AM

                            I DVR'd it thinking it would be worth watching. A waste of 2% of my DVR memory.

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                          jeanmarieok Jan 13, 2012 07:39 AM

                          The unibrow thing was annoying. Hugh was a good sport about it, but really, it went way too far.

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                            LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 08:01 AM

                            Yeah, it was the 2nd time I watched (saw something several seasons back, I think) and I was like "REALLY? This is an "It's all about Andy" show." Don't need to watch to puff up his already inflated ego any more than it is.

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                      debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:38 AM

                      Agreed. Going second seemed an incredible advantage to me. An extra 24 hours to plan? That's huge. As is the rest factor.

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                        LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 07:47 AM

                        Except it's still just one quick shopping trip and the same amount of prep/cook time, that helps minimize the advantage. I do see it as an advantage, but no bigger than some of the other advantages that get handed out during the course of the show.

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                          debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:55 AM

                          But they can use their one quick shopping time and cooking time more effectively because they have additional time to plan. That does seem quite huge to me.

                          ETA: Though I'm not sure they took full advantage. Their menu didn't seem particularly cohesive or interesting to me.

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                            milklady Jan 12, 2012 09:44 AM

                            Shopping early also has the disadvantage of food sitting in the fridge for an extra day. Not a big deal for most ingredients, but not so nice for fresh seafood.

                  2. re: Withnail42
                    JAB Jan 12, 2012 10:06 AM

                    Absodamnlutely although, it was a coin flip as to which team got the advantage. Haven't they been simultaneous on previous seasons?

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                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 05:50 PM

                      yes. in past RWs they just divide the space in half & compete head-to-head....a much more fair and balanced setup IMO.

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                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:51 PM

                        Agreed.

                  3. LindaWhit Jan 11, 2012 07:21 PM

                    Sorry everyone - I'm completely frozen - and Verizon isn't giving me an option to actually speak with anyone on the phone to get this fixed. I'm trying a Live chat, but of course, no one has gotten on yet to help me.

                    Someone else is going to have to pick up the recap. I'm seriously BEYOND PISSED OFF right now!

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                      mcf Jan 12, 2012 07:27 PM

                      Just tell us who's office building to TP and we'll ALL be there!

                    2. LindaWhit Jan 11, 2012 07:35 PM

                      I'm working again, but not sure I have this On Demand to be able to recap because I can't use the remote .... and the DVR portion is ONLY the first 26 minutes. I'm sorry. REALLY sorry.

                      Angry. Really really Angry.

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                        donovt Jan 11, 2012 07:43 PM

                        No excuses Linda!! You should have multiple tv's each with a different cable provider just in case something like this happens. I'm very disappointed in you.

                        Seriously, don't apologize...everyone will chip in with the details that you missed.

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                          californiabeerandpizza Jan 11, 2012 08:20 PM

                          Very happy for Bev!

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                        bobbert Jan 11, 2012 08:53 PM

                        It really doesn't feel right commenting until the recap is complete but it's bedtime and it's fresh in my head. Quick off the cuff thoughts:
                        Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy.
                        Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far.
                        Sarah's thinking that Lindsay deserved the win as much as Beverly was probably the worst judgement call in the history of the show. She almost lost the challenge for you, you idiot! More on Sarah in a sentence or two.
                        Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing.
                        I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook.
                        Lindsay is in the same league as Chris.
                        I still think Ed can go far and....
                        Back to Sarah. Did anyone notice Heather tag Sarah ala wrestling on her way out the door? She's a very good cook but boy am I rooting against her.

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                          cowboyardee Jan 11, 2012 10:49 PM

                          "Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy"
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                          Agreed. His record in challenges is strong, but not overwhelming. But the other chefs - perhaps even the judges - seem to look to him as the one to beat. Also, keep in mind that he made 3 of his team's dishes - basically half their food - AND expedited this challenge.

                          "Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far."
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                          Beverly seems like a pretty good cook, but maybe not a very skilled chef. Luckily for her, the competition tests the former skill set much more than the latter. She may be slow and scattered, she may not win the respect of her peers, she may not be commanding... but her food seems to taste good, and at the end of the day, that's what matters on Top Chef.

                          "I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook."
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                          She's the most likable female chef still on the show by a long shot. But I still don't have a really good sense of her food.

                          "Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing."
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                          Nah... Moto Chris has a lot of fight left in him. Keep chasing that roadrunner, Chris. You'll get im someday. Just open up another crate of Acme-brand liquid nitrogen and get scheming on next week's challenge.

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                            chowser Jan 12, 2012 04:17 AM

                            That's a good assessment of Beverly. I also don't think she's a team player and can handle many tasks at once, like say Paul who did many dishes and tried to jump into expediting. There's something awkward about her movements, like she's apologetic for taking up space. Sarah's treatment of her was terrible and Lindsay couldn't be more condescending to her and everyone else, really. I'm liking Grayson as a person, like that she stands up for what she believes but she's yet to blow me away.

                            LOL, you're right, Moto Chris is like Wile E Coyote. He still likes ideas for the sake of ideas. I don't know if he realizes this is a cooking competition, not chem class.

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                              DGresh Jan 13, 2012 02:19 PM

                              I thought that Bev blew up rather inappropriately when Sarah (I think) asked her whether she'd done something yet-- saying something like "If you wanted it done you should have done it yourself". She seemed really thin-skinned in this episode, seeing slights that probably weren't there.

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                                babette feasts Jan 13, 2012 06:45 PM

                                I think that was Sarah asking Bev to fetch her olives from the walk-in. Bev might have been in the weeds trying to pull both entrees together, or maybe she just didn't feel like playing fetch for Sarah.

                                Now, it's customary to expect small favors like that of co-workers. But Sarah had previously made a condescending comment to Beverly about making sure to be set up on time, and then wasn't set up herself. Maybe if she hadn't wasted so much time peering over Bev's shoulder and criticizing, she would have been set up.

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                              debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:40 AM

                              I was really hoping Moto Chris was going home, once the guys team lost. He did so very, very little in that challenge. I was actually pretty surprised.

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                                centralpadiner Jan 12, 2012 11:54 AM

                                Me too. I am indifferent to Ty-Lor, but was ready to see Moto Chris get kicked to the curb. He not only did little on this challenge, he has done little the entire competition.

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                                  John E. Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM

                                  Don't forget Ugly Chris did make under-seasoned, unremarkable beer can chicken. Something done in backyards all across America on Sunday afternoons in the summer.

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                                    debbiel Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM

                                    Top Backyard BBQ with an Ice Chest Full of Bud Dude

                                    I hate that we're this far along in the season, and I'm not enthusiastically rooting for anyone. Sure, I want Paul to win, but only in the way that I usually support most political candidates (at least you're not _____ ).

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                                      John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM

                                      I feel the same way. I wondered if it's the personalities of the chefs, the editing, or the challenges. I have concluded that it's the elimination challenges that are making this season less compelling. Maybe some of the Quick Fires have also contributed to my not enjoying this season as much too. The QF in the cornfield was the worst that I remember.

                                      Not counting restaurant wars (there has to be this EC) I think there have been far too many team challenges this year and too many gimmicks. I thought TC 7 was weak at the time but it was much more compelling than is this season.

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                                        debbiel Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM

                                        Yes-There have been way too many team challenges! And too many of what seem like "Hey, we're in Texas!" challenges. I still don't think I really know what most of these chefs can do.

                                        I think it's probably a combination of editing (too much focus on conflicts), the challenges, and the chefs. A perfect storm for Top Chef disappointment.

                                        1. re: debbiel
                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM

                                          I agree. There have been too many challenges where they basically told them what to cook: Mexican, chili, BBQ, steak.

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                                            gaffk Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM

                                            I've been hoping they'd shoot a future season in my city (Philadelphia). But now I'm afraid we'd have team cheesesteak, soft pretzel and hoagie challenges.

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                                              John E. Jan 12, 2012 01:07 PM

                                              Not to mention a 'cheesecake' competition. They'd make them run up the steps at the Museum of Art and do a QF at the top.

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                                                centralpadiner Jan 12, 2012 01:10 PM

                                                And now I'm having really horrible images of a "Jersey Shore" themed episode.... **shudder**

                                                PA has so much to offer, I'd love to see them here, but challenges have gotten trite ever since Leanne left, IMO

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                                                  gaffk Jan 12, 2012 01:11 PM

                                                  I like it. Film in August when it's 95 degrees with 100% humidity and make them cook whole sides of beef when they get to the top.

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                                              jcattles Jan 12, 2012 01:37 PM

                                              I really wish the producers would troll the internet boards and take the fan's input into consideration.

                                              Wouldn't it be great if the chefs were put in an environment where they could produce dishes to the best of their ability? It seems like every season is more Survivor like. I want to get to know the chefs and their food, not watch them crash & burn. I really hate all the team challenges, and like others I'm liking the Last Chance Kitchen format more & more.

                                              I like Restaurant Wars, but I really feel like they shouldn't have to work FOH. They should be kept in the kitchen & a pecking order should be established by the team.

                                              I'm also sick of the cliched challenges for each city. Come on, the people watching Top Chef obviously know food and want more from each episode. If they keep dumbing it down, they are going to lose a big fan base.

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                                                MplsM ary Jan 12, 2012 05:37 PM

                                                Also, I don't know if it's because of LCK or what but the judging is really...

                                                Tom: "It lacks seasoning."
                                                Emeril: "Yeah, seasoning is key."
                                                Gail: "And the texture was off."
                                                Hugh: "Yeah. Not good."

                                                The descriptions of the dishes served are so targeted and rich in detail, it's like I'm right there with them.

                                            3. re: debbiel
                                              LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:30 PM

                                              I agree 100% with you Debbie. I want Paul to win, but mostly because there's really no one else I'm rooting for.

                                    2. re: bobbert
                                      moto Jan 12, 2012 02:32 AM

                                      the producers are 'milking' (from a lactating ma no less) every bit of melodrama from the badgering or belittling of Beverly they choose to overexpose -- at this point it's like low content filler or cheap titillation. to Grayson's credit, she was the only teammate who seemed pleased at Beverly's triumph.

                                      from a logistical standpoint, is it really a smart choice for the front of house chef to choose an entree to present, particularly one so sensitive to temperature and cooking time as fish ? why invite more complications by expecting a competitor who is also preparing a main course to prep a second ? the women who did two courses managed to avoid doing consecutive courses by avoiding the entree, so intentionally or not they suppressed Lindsay's chances for excelling. as an exec chef working under a super-entrepreneurial chef, Lindsay might be far away from the pan-to-the-fire daily crucible of a line cook ; her main task is probably keeping things up to Bernstein's satisfaction, and managing others. she's shown a tendency to over-intervene, which led to the steaks getting euthanized in the cattle baron's bacchanal, but nothing special in terms of cooking skills.

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                                        jeanmarieok Jan 12, 2012 06:23 AM

                                        I thought Lindsay made a poor choice of entree, also. I also think that she spent way too much time in the back, fussing at everyone. And really, she didn't think much of Bev, but she was relying on Bev to get her food out? That seemed like her second mistake.

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                                          huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:07 AM

                                          Lindsay Autry was so conspicuously missing from the FOH and for such extended periods that I thought they might as well have just told the servers to just go grab diners, judges and all, and dump them at tables and chuck the food at them while she stayed in the kitchen.

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                                            LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:32 PM

                                            Lindsay was a PITA being in the kitchen so often. I really thought that was going to be a major ding against the women.

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                                              Worldwide Diner Jan 12, 2012 08:03 PM

                                              If Lindsay wasn't busting people's butts in the kitchen, would the food be even slower in coming out? Would her fish be even more overcooked if she didn't go back and raise hell? I'm not a fan of Lindsay and see no relevance in her informing us that she was the prom queen. Made me think she went to a school of ugly kids.

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                                                mariacarmen Jan 13, 2012 09:52 AM

                                                ahahahaha!

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                                            debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:42 AM

                                            It was definitely a poor choice of entree. It is a stupid position to be put in, though. It's puts quite a limitation on the possible dishes for the FOH person. They just really, really, really need to drop the FOH role for the cheftestants. It's ridiculous. Always has been. They end up having to judge the FOH person on a different set of skills than they judge the others.

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                                              soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:31 AM

                                              yeah i was shaking my head, wondering why lindsay didn't do a dessert, or even a soup or something, that would not have relied so much on execution.

                                              on the men's team, ed understood this choice and made a dessert that someone was just able to plate and go.

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                                                DGresh Jan 13, 2012 02:20 PM

                                                Fish seems like the absolute worst thing to put in someone else's hands.

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                                                chicgail Jan 12, 2012 05:16 AM

                                                So there with you.

                                                Lindsay and Beverly and Chris are not long for the show. They have gone just as far as their abilities (and luck) can carry them.

                                                Ultimately I think it will be between Grayson and Paul ... and Nyesha. Sara is good at what she does, but she's totally limited to the Italian cooking she does with Tony Maturano at Spiaggia. Plus she's getting on my nerves. But then so is Ed.

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                                                  huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:02 AM

                                                  Mantuano. ;-)

                                                  But yes, Sarah Grueneberg doesn't seem very varied in her cooking. (Heh - yet folks complain about Beverly Kim)

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                                                    chicgail Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM

                                                    Thanks. I always have to look the spelling and I didn't that time.

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                                                      huiray Jan 13, 2012 05:40 PM

                                                      I wonder how much of Spiaggia's food is due to Sarah G.

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                                                    debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:44 AM

                                                    Sarah is seeming pretty limited at this point. Right down to sending out two dishes of little spheres last night.

                                                    I think Paul and Nyesha are on top (I'm just going to pretend that she's still there), followed by Ed and Grayson (not sure what order I put them in), then Sarah (ahead of others because I think she may have more technical skill), then Bev, Lindsay, Moto bringing up the rear.

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                                                      nojunk Jan 12, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                      +1

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                                                      Worldwide Diner Jan 12, 2012 08:07 PM

                                                      I think Grayson is more or less a hack. She's gotten this far because the other contestants are just as mediocre, with the exception of Paul and Nyesha. I think those two will be in the finals.

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                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 08:15 PM

                                                        the judges were really pleased with both of Grayson's dishes last night. in fact, i was almost surprised when they gave the win to Beverly instead of her.

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                                                          soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:20 PM

                                                          color me surprised as well. and grayson is a cia grad and has quite a resume, for a "hack"... :(

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                                                            mcf Jan 13, 2012 07:18 AM

                                                            Me, too, though I suspected it could have been either of the two. I hope the last three standing are Paul, Grayson and Nyesha. Especially Nyesha. But I <3 Grayson.

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                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                              agree with every word.

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                                                        AsperGirl Jan 12, 2012 08:16 AM

                                                        "Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far."

                                                        --

                                                        People complain in these group events that Beverly is too slow, she's scattered, etc.  But that's really criticism of her scattered air and the mouse-like personality she projects, because her food planning & execution work.  In maybe one group cook-off, the BBQ one, her stuff wasn't good.  In the rest, her food either anchored her team's success (e.g. her entree in Restaurant Wars) or was the only thing that didn't suck (e.g. her shrimp in Quincinera).  Whatever people might say when they are attacking her, she focuses on doing good food when other teams/people melt down around her.

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                                                        "Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy."

                                                        --

                                                        Yeah, he didn't show it.  He can be dogged and determined, but it didn't work for him last night.  None of his shit worked last night.

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                                                        "Sarah's thinking that Lindsay deserved the win as much as Beverly was probably the worst judgement call in the history of the show. She almost lost the challenge for you, you idiot! More on Sarah in a sentence or two...  Back to Sarah. Did anyone notice Heather tag Sarah ala wrestling on her way out the door? She's a very good cook but boy am I rooting against her."

                                                        --

                                                        Yeah, there seems to be a bit of a conspiratorial dynamic between Sarah, Ty Lor & Heather.  For whatever reason, Nyesha and Beverly were singled out for negative attention and undermining.  Sarah really went out of her way to start up and keep going a running negative verbal attacks game vs. Beverly this episode during menu planning & shopping.  She was also egging on Lindsay, who was having a self-induced meltdown and could have made them lose with her airheaded princess tantrums.  (I'm also referring to Last Chance Kitchen material in this para)

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                                                        "I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook."

                                                        --

                                                        This season seems to focus a lot on personality issues and clashes.  If we were to pick Miss Congeniality, I like Grayson.  I love that she has her shit together, is genuinely nice, and doesn't fall in with dysfunctional bullshit going on around her, while cooking good food and having fun.

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                                                        "Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing."

                                                        "Lindsay is in the same league as Chris."

                                                        --

                                                        There's not much room left for people to fly under the radar.  Maybe one more episode and there's no room left to hide.

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                                                        "I still think Ed can go far and...."

                                                        --

                                                        He's a disciplined machine.  In the qualifying rounds, when he was on the "bubble", he said if they left him in the waiting room with the other chefs on the bubble much longer, he'd kill them off to get into Top Chef.   That kind of stuck with me.   Ed is Beverly's alter-ego.  You could meld both of those shorties both together and get an emotionally complete, 6 foot tall Pan-Asian super-chef. 

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                                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2012 10:34 AM

                                                          I agree with most of the comments, except Lindsey. She's been flying under the radar in a good way: she's been consistently good. She's won a quickfire, been on winning teams, and she hasn't up for individual elimination since the first episode. I think she's much stronger than she's been shown to be.

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                                                            californiabeerandpizza Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM

                                                            Wasn't that quickfire win for vienna sausages & saltines? I can't think of anything else she's made, although having prom queen on her resume is impressive.

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                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 05:54 PM

                                                              although having prom queen on her resume is impressive.
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                                                              LOL! yeah, i thought that comment was pretty damn funny. prom queen's got quite a mouth on her.

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                                                                John E. Jan 12, 2012 07:27 PM

                                                                I wonder if it was her idea to put the prom queen, top-of-her-class stuff or the producers. My bet is that stuff was in the bio information she submitted and the producers elicited the response that we saw.

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                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 07:37 PM

                                                                  but who - aside from beauty pageant contestants - mentions in their bio or a professional application that they were prom queen? it's just silly.

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                                                                  mcf Jan 12, 2012 07:31 PM

                                                                  I loved Hugh's observation that from prom queen with fake English accent to down south hard on the accent.

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                                                                AsperGirl Jan 12, 2012 03:59 PM

                                                                You're right that she's done well on teams so far, I didn't really think about that. I agree with comments others have made where it's hard to tell where some of the chefs are at, because the challenges haven't really brought them out with all Texas style food & teaming where the food has to be consistent.

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                                                                chowser Jan 12, 2012 02:56 PM

                                                                Bee trucks in and does her part without regard to what else is going on. Compare that to Paul who did multiple parts and jumped in to help expedite when things didn't go well. It is a risk but it's what a team player and a chef does. IRL, if you go to a restaurant and everything sucks but the shrimp, you don't go back. If this were Chopped, Beverly would be better suited.

                                                                Bee is Beverly, stupid autocorrect.

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                                                                  AsperGirl Jan 12, 2012 03:51 PM

                                                                  Yeah Paul was definitely working hard & trying to win. He put himself out there.

                                                                  Seems to me the waiters really screwed up at the start of night one, & got the guys into the weeds, and the guys never pulled out of that.

                                                                  The girls' team didn't have that problem with their wait staff (same waiters?) on night two, so they had an easier time than Paul, et al, had, by going second

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                                                                JAB Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM

                                                                I know ha, Sarah was definitely channeling Heather.

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                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 05:53 PM

                                                                  Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy.
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                                                                  as does Tom, who made it quite clear he was expecting Paul to blow them away with his food.

                                                                2. C. Hamster Jan 11, 2012 09:06 PM

                                                                  BEVERLY

                                                                  Good freaking grief .....

                                                                  I hope she wins or stars in a bullying video.

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                                                                    ChefJune Jan 11, 2012 09:30 PM

                                                                    Ditto!

                                                                    I thought Grayson was going to win it, but I'm glad it was Beverly.

                                                                    Also thought Chris J was going home, but wrong again. Not sad to see Ty-Lor go. he rubbed me the wrong way.

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                                                                      mountaincachers Jan 12, 2012 04:34 AM

                                                                      Ty Lor had botched efforts on several episodes, but he definitely didn't rub me the wrong way. Editing always makes it difficult to judge someone's behavior, but I thought he was very gracious when Sarah had her whole overheating/ER episode. He seemed like a team player and a nice guy from what I saw.
                                                                      Beverly doesn't seem much like a team player. It seems like she worries about her one dish and that's it. Yes, she has been bullied by other chefs, and it's hard to tell which came first. It surprised me that the judges didn't seem to mind that she was the one overcooking the fish, even if her own dish was delicious. Lindsay better be glad the women won, as there is no doubt she would have been the one going home.

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                                                                        momjamin Jan 12, 2012 05:41 AM

                                                                        Well, the judges weren't looking for someone to send home from the ladies' team, so the overcooked fish wasn't a big deal -- everyone said the short ribs were the best thing they'd eaten in a while.

                                                                        (Funny moment when ChrisJ was chowing down at Half Bushel and saying how great the food was, and his team all looked at him funny. Hello! You're on camera!)

                                                                        Part of me was glad the ladies won so we didn't have to see the catfights that would have certainly happened if they'd lost and everyone started piling on Bev.

                                                                        And no, Sara, Lindsay was in no way responsible for the success of that team. She would have been sent home if the guys had put out good food.

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                                                                          jeanmarieok Jan 12, 2012 06:26 AM

                                                                          I thought both teams were complimentary of the other, when dining. No real trash talking that I noticed.

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                                                                            soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:36 AM

                                                                            i was struck that the women dressed up for dinner at the men's restaurant, but the following night, chris jones was the only one of the dudes to bother putting on a jacket for the womens' restaurant. the implied respect/disrespect....

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                                                                              John E. Jan 12, 2012 08:58 AM

                                                                              I doubt if there was any respect/disrepect involved at all. I believe it is more likely they did not bring a jacket.

                                                                              Edit...Ed had a jacket when he was FOH. I still don't think it was out of disrespect that the other guys did not dress up more. It bugs me to see men where hats inside restaurants, or any other place indoors for that matter short of a sports arena but I think that's mostly out of ignorance not always disrespect.

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                                                                                soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 09:08 AM

                                                                                well, we know ed did, he was wearing a suit to work foh at "canteen" the day before... i think it's a safe assumption, on top chef, to think that at some point you may find yourself dining in a very nice restaurant, le bernedin for example. if nyesha had the brains to pack a bikini i'm not buying that the dudes didn't think (or have prompting) to bring a dinner jacket, or heck, a plain button-down shirt, even.

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                                                                                  John E. Jan 12, 2012 09:31 AM

                                                                                  What is funny about this exchange of posts is that I was reading Acheson's blog when I realized my mistake. I did the edit before I read your post. I would not doubt if some of them did not bring a jacket, but again, I don't think disrespect was intended, especially if you listened to their comments about the women's food.

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                                                                                JAB Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM

                                                                                I'm not sure of the respect / disrespect but, I did make note of this was well.

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                                                                                  ChefJune Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM

                                                                                  The women were in light, summery evening clothes. It was over 100 degrees in Austin ALL summer. I don't think the men showed disrespect by not wearing a jacket -- more likely good sense!

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                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:01 PM

                                                                                    i was thinking about that too. Ed was wearing an oxford shirt *and* a jacket for their service - he must have been sweating bullets under there so the jacket wouldn't even have been clean for him to wear again the next night...and i doubt the guys packed multiple jackets/blazers for 100-plus degree Texas weather. were the male judges even wearing them?

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                                                                                      soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 06:32 PM

                                                                                      hold on... the guys wouldn't wear a jacket or long sleeved cotton shirt.... because professional chefs have never been in 100 degree plus heat, wearing a COAT?!? LMAO--alrighty then!

                                                                                      well, if the dudes had just worn a nice ed hardy t-shirt -- then maybe it would not have appeared to be such a professional diss on the women.

                                                                                      (that ^ is a chowhound new orleans-board lurker joke) hahaha :-P

                                                                                      but i am thinking of many impoverished line cooks that keep one nice button-down shirt and pants pressed between their mattress and box spring, for 1) funerals and for 2) showing respect when visiting their colleagues/friends' restaurants. most chefs are not oblivious to class difference and have no desire to be the a-hole wearing flip-flops and a wifebeater, getting looked down upon by the restaurant's patrons and embarrassing their friends who work there. perhaps there is regional difference in play, i am aware of the distinction of "jeans" and "dress jeans" that is unique to texas....

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                                                                                        John E. Jan 12, 2012 07:30 PM

                                                                                        Do you believe the male contestants purposely dressed like slobs to show disrespect for their female competitors? If not, then why so much angst on the subject?

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                                                                                          soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 07:54 PM

                                                                                          well, yeah i do.

                                                                                          i might be more inclined to give the men the benefit of the doubt if 1) the women had served on the first night, and had not obviously dressed up specifically to go to dinner at the men's restaurant or 2) there was any indication that the men had anything to do all day before going to dinner at the womens' restaurant besides sit around bullshitting, drinking beer and talking about star trek.

                                                                                          for the record, i would also think it would be disrespectful if a musician dressed shabbily to go to a fellow musician's recital, or an artist dressed down to attend a friend's art opening-- and that a higher standard is in play in these instances, than with the wardrobe choices of joe blow off the street. also, individuality is fine, boho, quirky, retro, whatever-- but some effort is required. an individual should enhance the experience at a colleague's opening/debut/etc, not detract from it, or show the profession in an unflattering light to the wider public by dressing in a slovenly manner, while others are dressed up... unless they are making a conscious statement about the quality of experience they are anticipating...

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                                                                                            John E. Jan 12, 2012 08:59 PM

                                                                                            I do not disagree that the appropriate clothing is important when going to a recital, art opening, or even a fancy restaurant opening night. I just do not believe that these three guys intentionally dressed the way they did as an intentional sign of disrespect to their fellow contestants. It's a reality TV show after all, not a real restaurant opening. I also cannot believe that anyone would believe that given their comments about the food.

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                                                                                              susancinsf Jan 13, 2012 06:27 AM

                                                                                              re: the men and whether they intentionally dressed down: I actually thought the women were a bit overdressed given the intended casual nature of the restaurant, though, of course, they probably or possibly didn't know it was casual going in. Regardless, I see two possible reasons why the men dressed as they did: 1.) having been to their own opening the night before, they were aware that patrons didn't dress up that much (indeed, the girls dressed up as much or more as the judges, IIRC), and 2.) they are men. Remember that it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness....

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                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 08:04 AM

                                                                                                Remember that it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness....
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                                                                                                ^^^ That. :-)

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                                                                                                  Manassas64 Jan 13, 2012 08:14 AM

                                                                                                  But it 's not like these chefs haven't (a) seen this show already and (b) see how Tom, Padma, et al dress for every challenge. They could have taken their cues from that.

                                                                                                  Granted, they have never had to dress for Restaurant Wars in seasons past because they were done simultaneously, but they should have a general clue of what's acceptable and not acceptable to wear in this circumstance.

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                                                                                                    huiray Jan 13, 2012 08:24 AM

                                                                                                    I don't think the men dressed any more slobbily in this episode than the men did in past seasons when teams went to dine at their opposing team's meals together with the judges, or dismissed cheftestants dining at the restaurants of the finalists. Except maybe that chap, what's his name - Ah, Stephen Asprinio. The women usually wore their jewels except (I think) the avowed lesbians who dressed casually, IIRC. (Please, I am *not* making any political statement here)

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                                                                                                      mcf Jan 13, 2012 09:07 AM

                                                                                                      I don't know about you guys, but have you looked around at the other diners in the restaurants you go to in the U.S.??? Clueless works for me.

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                                                                                                    mariacarmen Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM

                                                                                                    "it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness...."

                                                                                                    susancinsf - great line. i'm going to have to steal that.

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                                                                                                      mcf Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM

                                                                                                      why not, she stole it, too! :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon&#...

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                                                                                                        susancinsf Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM

                                                                                                        yes, I take no credit for the line. Though hubby, who is always reminding me of the truth therein, claims that he invented it. I should have known he found it on the internet! :-)

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                                                                                                          chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM

                                                                                                          Good line--I'm going to steal it myself.:-)

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                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM

                                                                                                          Thanks, mcf,

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                                                                                                        soupkitten Jan 14, 2012 06:44 PM

                                                                                                        then why *did* chris j dress up respectfully? to enjoy the weather in his blue blazer? his very conscious wardrobe/appearance choices were kind of a striking departure from his normal choices, no? i may be annoyed that chris j. is still around (based on his food, not his inherent entertainment value, which is actually up quite a few points), but he at least seems to have picked up the bone-basic industry etiquette... i just don't buy that the others are ignorant hillbillies because they happen to be males. it's like if they were tipping 10% at a nice restaurant... sure some people tip 10% because they are clueless, but these guys? people would call them out, because they should know better, they are in the industry.

                                                                                                        chris jones also commented favorably on the women's food, and was shushed by his tablemates. it really seemed to me like he was there to be fair and gracious and in the experience, and the other guys were trying to leverage some sort of game-play out, such as none of them being on record/camera complimenting the women's food, or anything else about the experience.

                                                                                                        again i know i probably sound like i am being very argumentative just for the sake of it, but this is very striking to me, just as i would be struck by bad dress/bad behavior/disruption in the recital/art opening examples. people don't need to feel like they need to "prove" to me that all men are ignorant/clueless, etc-- i know too many examples to the contrary, and i do know that this is hyperbole/funnin', anyway. i initially just wanted to point out this detail as a *detail* for folks who might be interested, and then i felt compelled to clarify my thoughts when several folks responded. it's not the most important thing about the episode, by a long shot. it will be interesting to see if the remaining men ever break out more formal threads at any point in the competition. i'll be watching for it :)

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                                                                                                          susancinsf Jan 14, 2012 08:41 PM

                                                                                                          But they were casual restaurants! Not sure where you are from, but both in Texas, where I have lived, and in California, where I live now, the way the guys were dressed would be perfectly appropriate for those types of restaurants. Indeed, in San Francisco, the way they were dressed wouldn't even rate a second glance from patrons in all but a very few places. And when I say a few: I mean that very literally.

                                                                                                          I've seen lots of people dressed that way at the symphony in San Francisco, for that matter.

                                                                                                          I didn't mean to imply they were ignorant hillbillies. Despite my teasing use of the word 'cluelessness', which was more to be able to make a point with the cute line than anything else, I personally thought there was nothing disrespectful about the way they were dressed, and think it was actually appropriate to the style of the restaurant.

                                                                                                          No idea why Chris dressed the way he did (though if I had to guess, I'd guess that he was dressing more for the camera than for the girls. Indeed, thinking about it, I think the girls were dressing for the camera, not for the boys. Consider how nicely made up a few of them look for the confessionals. Yep, that makes much more sense to me: they wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to get out of the heat of the kitchen to show the cameras and those of us at home that they could look very nice.

                                                                                                          As for breaking out more formal threads, other than Chris, who packed a blazer, I'd bet they didn't even bring them.

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                                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 16, 2012 03:02 PM

                                                                                                            again, i don't want my observation about professional courtesy to take over the thread, but it seems like you might be missing my point. pro chef/cook/hospitality types don't dress or act like joe q. public when they visit each others' restaurants. they tend to dress and act better than mr. or ms. "average customer" in order to show professional respect-- and/because, they would hope to reap this respect back, when their colleagues in turn visit their own establishment. in general, hospitality types dining out tend to order more, tip better, be more polite, don't make egregious faux pas (slap their server on the butt, etc)-- in comparison to other customers :) this attitude hasn't really changed, among restaurant folks, performers/musicians/artists, for hundreds of years.

                                                                                                            if a conductor, music director and a few first chairs of the chicago symphony were to attend a cleveland orchestra concert, i guarantee that they won't wear yoga pants or flip flops or board shorts, and they won't whistle, applaud between movements, or yell "bravo" at a female soloist, regardless of the comportment of the crowd around them.

                                                                                                            now, if you are really telling me that hospitality and arts people in texas & california don't dress nicely or act with professional courtesy when they visit each others' performances or exhibits or openings, then it is not what i have experienced and understand to be true, and i would really have to disagree. in any case paul is the only contestant who would be able to use the regional informal/slob excuse, if that is indeed in play.

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                                                                                                              John E. Jan 16, 2012 03:12 PM

                                                                                                              I believe you are taking the clothing of the male contestants way too seriously. It's a reality TV series for crying outloud, it is not reality.

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                                                                                                                soupkitten Jan 16, 2012 03:56 PM

                                                                                                                sorry John, but you were actually the one who asked me to clarify my observation, which was originally a very simple one re: the women dressing up, the men dressing down. i was not the only person to make the observation. if you hadn't asked, i would never have expanded on my 3-line post above.

                                                                                                                if folks want to think that there is no etiquette or code of expected behavior amongst hospitality workers (or any profession), that's okay. it doesn't really matter except for the folks who pay attention to such things.

                                                                                                                as to what is important and what is real, we will have to agree to disagree. you seem to think that a little gallery opening in poughkeepsie, attended by a few dozen folks, is an event, and that a television episode watched across a whole country, is a non-event. i think that this is a very real moment in all of these folks' careers, and that they are being watched and judged and there will be real effects. i wonder how many top chef alumni would say the show hadn't affected the course of their careers, for better or worse.

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                                                                                                  kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 09:58 AM

                                                                                                  Haha SK, I thought of the New Orleans board when I saw the ed hardy comment before I read that that is what you were referencing!

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                                                                                            bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:29 AM

                                                                                            If the women lost Lindsay would have Ben sent packing but not because of the fish. She was a disaster in FOH. I agree that it was good that they won because Sarah and Lindsay would have both accused Beverly of being responsible for the loss.

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                                                                                              debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:46 AM

                                                                                              "f the women lost Lindsay would have Ben sent packing but not because of the fish. She was a disaster in FOH. " Agreed Bobbert. Which is what I hate about RW. You shouldn't be sent packing for something no one else is being judged on.

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                                                                                            bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:25 AM

                                                                                            "Beverly doesn't seem much like a team player."

                                                                                            I'm really not so sure that Beverly is not a team player. How can we say that when no one will really let her on their team in the first place? "Hey, we don't want you on our team but the coach insists. Then we're going to demean you, disrespect you, and ensure that you know we don't want to play with you. Then, as the coup de grace, we're going to say you're not a team player". Considering all the crap she took from Lindsay and Sarah, I was surprised she hadn't just told them both to go f*%k off. Those two didn't even have the courtesy to congratulate Beverly after the win. In fact, you would have thought they had lost the challenge. Of the women, Sarah and Lindsay are clearly the non-team players.

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                                                                                              ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 07:36 AM

                                                                                              Man if it was me and Lindsey was bitching at me I'd be standing there saying, "Hey b*tch! You smell that? I think it's burning fish. Now get the hell out my kitchen and go do your job!"

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                                                                                                ChefJune Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM

                                                                                                <Those two didn't even have the courtesy to congratulate Beverly after the win. In fact, you would have thought they had lost the challenge.>

                                                                                                In fact, if you recorded the show, go back and catch the look of incredulity on Sarah's face (that didn't go away) when Emeril announced Beverly as the winner. If looks could have killed, Bev would have been a goner -- and Emeril along with her.

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                                                                                                  huiray Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM

                                                                                                  From early on it seemed to me that Lindsay Autry, Sarah Grueneberg and Heather Terhune could be pegged as the "Mean Girls"/(self-called)"Cool Girls" high school clique. Self-referencing, dismissive (contemptuous) of others, self-serving in that self-promoting/self-protective way one thinks of as suggestive of that kind of clique? In that scenario Beverly Kim was the pimply, plain, bespectacled girl who was good at math or whatever and...you can fill in the rest... :-)

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                                                                                                    chicgail Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM

                                                                                                    We never do actually leave high school, do we?

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                                                                                                      ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 01:05 PM

                                                                                                      To the ones who had (or yearned for) a sense of belonging, I think that's probably true. I went to three different high schools, so it was just a pit stop on the way to college for me. I know what happened in high school really affected my sisters. It's a tough time for a lot of people.

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                                                                                                        chowser Jan 12, 2012 05:19 PM

                                                                                                        I think it was probably a tough time for the mean girls, too.

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                                                                                                        AMFM Jan 12, 2012 04:07 PM

                                                                                                        +1 (well, not because i lke that it's that way...)

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                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:36 PM

                                                                                                        I think you got the characters dead-on right, huiray.

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                                                                                                      marblebag Jan 16, 2012 08:43 PM

                                                                                                      As the women were told to go fetch the guys, Lindsey had crossed arms a-la-Jamie looking so pissed Bev got the win and then afterwards had to do a prom queen moment with Sarah consoling her.

                                                                                                      I wanted to reached into my TV and slapped somebody!

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                                                                                                  lbs Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM

                                                                                                  see to me Beverly annoys. I think she is a good cook but I also thinks she plays up to the whole "woe is me. Everyone is against me" because Heather was so visibly and loud against her. But several chefs have been vocal and not just with the resturant wars - of not wanting to team with her because she throws the team off. So what I do not like about her is her passive aggressiveness.

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                                                                                                    Indy 67 Jan 12, 2012 04:16 AM

                                                                                                    I agree with the passive-aggressive call. Why did Beverly save her doubts about the way Lindsay wanted her to cook the fish for the confessional? Why not speak up immediately and ask if there was some reason -- unique flavor/texture -- for Lindsay's technique? Why didn't Beverly volunteer in real time that she felt hesitant about Lindsay's technique and offer her alternative technique?

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                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:46 AM

                                                                                                      Answer to all: Because Lindsay wouldn't let her - in the most direct and condescending manner. Any attempt by Beverly to speak up was cut right off and basically met with a "do it my way" response. As Grayson said, that was probably not the best was to cook halibut. It's a pretty unforgiving fish, especially on a grill, and needs a lot of TLC to get the temp right on that grill - something that would be hard to do it you were doing anything else. Team player Sarah was right there when Lindsay was telling Beverly how she wanted things done. Why didn't she speak up?
                                                                                                      I don't think Beverly is close to the strongest chef, especially when it comes to multitasking, a key skill for any chef and one that I'm sure will lead to her ultimate demise but passive aggressive? Passive, yes. Aggressive? I don't think so.

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                                                                                                        xo_kizzy_xo Jan 12, 2012 08:06 AM

                                                                                                        +1

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                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:37 PM

                                                                                                          I *love* that Grayson called out Lindsey on her own dish, saying it was the cooking method that was probably the issue, not Beverly overcooking the halibut.

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                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:07 PM

                                                                                                            Because Lindsay wouldn't let her
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                                                                                                            sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. "let" her? she wasn't strapped to a chair and muzzled. Bev needs to stand up for herself, and if someone tries to cut her off or shoot down her ideas, she needs to be more aggressive and defend her position instead of slinking off to the confessional with her tail between her legs and whining about it. people will walk all over you in life if you let them, and she's *letting* them. i'm really sick of the victim act.

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                                                                                                              AsperGirl Jan 12, 2012 06:59 PM

                                                                                                              It was Lindsay's dish. Beverly "needs" to "stand up" to "defend her position" on Lindsay's dish? I disagree.

                                                                                                              People can start throwing tantrums when they start getting over their heads. It's better to not get entangled with a team mate who's flailing and screwing up, so they drag you down too. It was Lindsay's dish and with being attacked left and right, Beverly has better battles to pick if she wanted to take a stand. She had to fight to even get to cook what she wanted, and she won, so it seems she picked the right battles to fight

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                                                                                                                bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:02 PM

                                                                                                                To a certain degree I agree with you re. Beverly needing to be more aggressive but in this instant it was, after all, Lindsay's dish and that is the way she wanted it cooked. The way Lindsay was behaving by shutting off any attempt of Beverly to help HER, I could easily see Beverly (and any other contestant for that matter) just thinking, "F-it. You're gonna shit on me when I’m trying to help you? OK then, I'm not going to argue with you. It's your dish. I'll cook it just the way you want."
                                                                                                                If it were me instead of Beverly, the conversation would have gone as follows:
                                                                                                                Me: Are you sure you want me to grate dog feces on your fish?
                                                                                                                Lindsay: Just do it how I say.
                                                                                                                Me: I was just thinking that (Lindsay interrupts)
                                                                                                                Lindsay: Just do it the way I said (in a condescending tone)
                                                                                                                Me: How much dog feces should I put on each plate?

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                                                                                                                  JuniorBalloon Jan 13, 2012 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                  I'm not asking this directly of you bobbert, just been wondering this generally. Why is cooking it on a grill wrong? Isn't fish cooked on a grill regularly.

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                                                                                                                    cowboyardee Jan 13, 2012 10:13 AM

                                                                                                                    "Why is cooking it on a grill wrong?"
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                                                                                                                    Of all the entrees, it was the only one really cooked to order. Paul's pork belly was presumably braised or done in a pressure cooker and then crisped. Beverly's short ribs were cooked in a PC (i think) and then glazed. I think Ty-Lor's salmon was cooked sous vide, which cut the team a lot of slack come service. The point is that any of the other entrees could afford to sit around for a bit without major loss of quality.

                                                                                                                    Lindsay's dish was presumably cooked to order by the same person who had to prepare and plate the other entree, and then left out to die, sitting in the window with no team expediter. Lindsay would have been smarter to design a dish that did not have to be cooked to order, especially if she wasn't going to be there in the kitchen to cook it.

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                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                      Your last sentence says it all, cowboy. Lindsay agreed to be FOH. Change the dish she was going to make to make it easier for those cooking/plating to do her dish *correctly.*

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                                                                                                                        JuniorBalloon Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                        I get it. it's not really wrong to cook halibut on a grill, just in this case when there so much else going on and a competitor, that you regularly denigrate, is responsible for firing your dish, not so smart.

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                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                          I agree with Cowboy - Also, I cook fish a lot on the grill and I love halibut. I find that, as opposed to say, swordfish or other firmer fish, it's not the easiest to grill. More care must be taken to keep it from falling apart and it's easy to mess up the temps. Still, I do grill it but I have to watch it and pay closer attention to keep from killing it. Doing that while cooking/plating another entree as well? I think it would be a very difficult task, especially for someone who's main weekness thus far has been in having dificulty multitasking.

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                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                            I also think that Lindsay noted that to Beverly, that it's difficult to cook and falls apart easily (or something like that). She did note to "be careful with it."

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                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 13, 2012 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                          Agree completely!

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                                                                                                                            jeanmarieok Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                            I agree with you - I said somewhere else in this thread, it was a poor choice of a dish for Lindsay, since she had to rely on someone else to execute.

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                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 13, 2012 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                              And I believe the quote of the episode was during their planning when Lindsay said "we're going to have to trust each other".

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                                                                                                                          Leepa Jan 13, 2012 09:47 AM

                                                                                                                          Right on target.

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                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                            but in this instant it was, after all, Lindsay's dish and that is the way she wanted it cooked.
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                                                                                                                            my general comments about Beverly needing to stand up for herself were more about the entire experience, including the planning meeting and shopping excursion. i agree that since it was Lindsay's dish Beverly was obligated to respect her wishes, but i still think she let Lindsay steamroll her. maybe it's the Jersey in me, but i would have been more forceful with my suggestions...or maybe even taken the completely opposite tack and told her that i was concerned i wouldn't be able to produce the dish properly using the cooking method she had chosen.

                                                                                                                            i think Lindsay knew her concept was flawed from the beginning. even worse, the way she wanted to correct for the dryness was flawed. dousing it in butter sauce doesn't "fix" an overcooked piece of fish, it turns it into a greasy, overcooked piece of fish.

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                                                                                                                              mcf Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                              "dousing it in butter sauce doesn't "fix" an overcooked piece of fish, it turns it into a greasy, overcooked piece of fish."

                                                                                                                              That's exactly what I thought when I heard her say it... WTF?? Overcooked, greasy fish???

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                                                                                                                                bobbert Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                Didn't she also kill, I believe it was a trout dish, with too much butter? IIRC, Emeril of all people took Lindsay to task for the butter in that dish. I thought that particular dish looked great but the butter kept her from the top three in that challenge.

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                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                              and imagine if Beverly had cooked it differently than Lindsay had specified.... and it didn't work!! All hell would have broken loose!!

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                                                                                                                                mariacarmen Jan 13, 2012 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                "and do NOT overcook my dog feces!"

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                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                  sigh. maria, you're useless. the feces should be FROZEN, not cooked. and what would possess you to use a *grater* to do it when i specifically said MICROPLANE??? you're going to ruin my dish!

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                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 13, 2012 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                    Well, maybe if they all got the hang of singing "Kum-ba-yaaaa" while grating said dog feces all would have been well. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                Pookipichu Jan 16, 2012 09:13 PM

                                                                                                                                sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. "let" her? she wasn't strapped to a chair and muzzled. Bev needs to stand up for herself, and if someone tries to cut her off or shoot down her ideas, she needs to be more aggressive and defend her position instead of slinking off to the confessional with her tail between her legs and whining about it. people will walk all over you in life if you let them, and she's *letting* them. i'm really sick of the victim act.

                                                                                                                                >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                                                                                                                                Oh brother that's bullcrap. For so many reasons. Where to even start. First, it's not her dish. Second, we've already seen how her ideas get shot down in multiple episodes. Third, is she supposed to club someone over the head? What exactly is she supposed to do to stand up for herself? Not everyone is outspoken like Grayson. There are people who are shy and they deserve to exist. Lastly I don't see her playing any victim act, I see outright bullying. Attacking the victim is just gross.

                                                                                                                                I'm not a Beverly fan but I am now a Grayson fan, she saw bullying and she said something, that's more than most people. It shows me what kind of person she is regardless of her food. Passive aggressive may be less than ideal, but bullying is just aggressive aggressive and even WORSE.

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                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 17, 2012 04:10 AM

                                                                                                                                  I'm a big fan of Grayson as being a strong person goes. I give her a lot of credit for standing up to the bullies and defending Bev (also Dakota did, too, IIRC at JT). She obviously has a lot of self-confidence, in a good way, not overly cocky.

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                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 17, 2012 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                    oh lord, here we go. PLEASE don't put absurd words in my mouth - i never said shy people don't "deserve to exist." bullying disgusts me, and my entire life i've been the one to stand up for those who won't do it for themselves...but Beverly sure as hell knew how to stand up for herself when she had that outburst at the WF meat counter, and she had no problem monopolizing the kitchen during that Real Housewives-esque challenge. and hello, she's a CHEF, and any of us who have worked in a professional kitchen can tell you that it's NOT for the faint of heart. so i don't buy the idea that she's incapable of standing up for herself, and *that* is why i called it the victim "act."

                                                                                                                                    yes, i was happy to see Grayson step up & speak her mind, but she didn't "club someone over the head to do it," and Beverly wouldn't need to either.

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                                                                                                                                      Pookipichu Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                      I apologize if I misconstrued your statements, bullying of the weak is something that makes my eyes see red.

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                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 17, 2012 02:15 PM

                                                                                                                                        i appreciate the apology, and perhaps i could have been more clear initially about my position. we're on the same side here - i have ZERO tolerance for people who bully or take advantage of those who aren't capable of defending themselves. in fact, i have several close friends from my childhood & teenage years who will tell you to this day that when they were on the receiving end of some pretty nasty teasing & bullying, i was the only person willing to step in and defend them. but based on the instances i mentioned above i just don't believe Beverly is that helpless, so it exasperates me to see her defer to the "mean girls" so easily rather than standing her ground. yes i've seen the way they shoot down her ideas and cut her off when she's speaking, but she had to know going into this that the competition would be intense, and she needs to find a way to channel her "I can, I must I will" spirit & confidence when she interacts with the other chefs.

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                                                                                                                                          DGresh Jan 17, 2012 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                          I agree with you. It seems that she gets her idea shot down. She frowns. She doesn't say anything. Then she complains about it later. I thought her beet salad idea was pathetic, btw. But she didn't fight for it, right or wrong. She just frowned.

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                                                                                                                                            JAB Jan 17, 2012 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                            Perhaps, if she wrote herself a note and taped it in on the mirror...

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                                                                                                                                Firegoat Jan 12, 2012 04:44 AM

                                                                                                                                I agree. Beverly totally bugs. I would hate to be in a team competition with her.

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                                                                                                                                  jeanmarieok Jan 12, 2012 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                  No way did Beverly put her best foot forward getting Lindsay's food out. Not at all.

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                                                                                                                                    Phaedrus Jan 12, 2012 06:29 AM

                                                                                                                                    I think Beverly is kind of a savant when it comes to her own food and creation. When it comes to making things that aren't of her own design, she is pretty hapless.

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                                                                                                                                      ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                      Yet they CONTINUE to give her responsibility for their stuff! It's like dropping your 10 year old son off at Neverland Ranch and wondering where you went wrong.

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                                                                                                                                        StewieBoy Jan 12, 2012 06:51 AM

                                                                                                                                        Sounds like "food porn" to me!
                                                                                                                                        :-)

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                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                        ...and it seems true - what others here also say - that Beverly Kim is interested only in her own dish and her own food whenever she is in a situation involving other people's food.

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                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 12, 2012 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                          Maybe that's why she is still in the competition.

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                                                                                                                                            AMFM Jan 12, 2012 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                            i don't think she is only into her own food. she focuses on that. but it sounds like it was fantastic. and while a "little overcooked" the judges didn't slam the halibut. just that it was the worst dish of the night. they didn't seem to like it conceptually/tastewise either. and again, grayson said to lindsay that she didn't think it was the best method...
                                                                                                                                            would want to be stuck on an island with bev... no. but i think that she's decent. and that if people were nice, she'd be fine on a team. the judges obviously like her food.

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                                                                                                                                              John E. Jan 12, 2012 07:34 PM

                                                                                                                                              I have not been too hard on Beverly in these threads however I do believe that she spends more time on just her own food in these team competitions and in the last one, she produced some crappy food, as reported by the judges. I don't necessarily believe it is because Beverly is selfish. I think she is slow and methodical with her food, that is why she sometimes produces great food. Hugh Acheson said in his blog that he has no idea how she is able to survive in a professional kitchen.

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                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                I think she is slow and methodical with her food, that is why she sometimes produces great food. Hugh Acheson said in his blog that he has no idea how she is able to survive in a professional kitchen.
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                                                                                                                                                and it's also why i highly doubt she'll survive LCK if she gets eliminated before the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 12, 2012 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                  I agree. The only QF dish of hers that I recall is the one where she sliced up a poblano chile and served it without cooking anything. Her chile dish had a scoville unit measurement of 14 while Paul's was 1.2 million.

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                                                                                                                                          Worldwide Diner Jan 12, 2012 08:23 PM

                                                                                                                                          She's good at ribs and kim-chi. You get her out of her comfort zone, she flounders.

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                                                                                                                                    chicgail Jan 12, 2012 05:17 AM

                                                                                                                                    There are some people who just seem to be the space of being the victim and Beverly has mastered that. She probably always gets picked on my someone. I think she's said was an abused wife and maybe it's where her identity lives or the only way she knows how to survive.

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                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 12, 2012 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                      Without getting into armchair psychology as to why, Bev exudes insecurity if you watch her actions and the way she speaks or doesn't speak up. It seems like she could use an assertiveness, self-confidence course. But, maybe seeing chefs like Sarah and Heather, she doesn't want that type of cocky, overconfidence either. Grayson, OTOH, holds her own w/out coming off as any of that.

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                                                                                                                                        chicgail Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM

                                                                                                                                        I love Grayson. It would be fun to sit down and have a drink (or two) with her.

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                                                                                                                                          gaffk Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                          Why stop at 2? Maybe at 3 she'd sing the frog song.

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                                                                                                                                            ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                            She had me at "sex in the mouth".

                                                                                                                                    2. huiray Jan 11, 2012 09:34 PM

                                                                                                                                      Too bad about the technical issues on your end.

                                                                                                                                      In the meanwhile, I must say I was somewhat perplexed by the judges' decisions.

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                                                                                                                                        cowboyardee Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM

                                                                                                                                        Which one? Who were you expecting to win or lose?

                                                                                                                                        Ty-lor getting the ax didn't surprise me in the least. OTOH, I couldn't have said who was going to win until the judges announced the winner - though I knew it wouldn't be Lindsay, obv.

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                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 12, 2012 06:53 AM

                                                                                                                                          I thought the guys would get the win overall.

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                                                                                                                                            debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:47 AM

                                                                                                                                            I thought the guys had the overall win, too. Editing really, really mislead me.

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                                                                                                                                              momjamin Jan 12, 2012 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                              I thought so until someone (Hugh?) said something to the effect of "this is the best food we've eaten in two days" (while eating at the ladies' restaurant).

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                                                                                                                                                jeanmarieok Jan 12, 2012 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                I thought the girls would win, because the judges were unanimous that the girls had better food. They said that right at the table, even.

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                                                                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 12, 2012 08:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Oh yes, once the judges said that at the end of the gals' service, I knew. But up to that point, they didn't seem to love their food much more than the guys' food (other than Bev's dish).

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                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                    the diners also voted the women's restaurant better overall.

                                                                                                                                                    you would think the diners would ding more for the service issues, i would love to see the actual breakdown from that interesting looking restaurant wars app.

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                                                                                                                                                      LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I don't know about that. Ultimately, which restaurant do you rate higher (and are more likely to return to): the one with sometimes spotty service and long wait times, but really good food, or the one with better service/faster, but so-so food. Good food wins out over all but the most egregious service errors.

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                                                                                                                                                        soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                        hey i agree w you, and probably the diners who would want to eat at a top chef restaurant wars restaurant are more like the average chowhound than the average person on the street. very patient folks to deal w the issues and judge the food objectively!

                                                                                                                                                        again, i'd love to see the results of the phone-voting, it would be cool to have the hard data to mull everything over.

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                                                                                                                                              Joanie Jan 12, 2012 04:39 AM

                                                                                                                                              I was perplexed too. It seemed like all the diners enjoyed their food from the guys while there were quite a few complaints with the girls. Altho was it the guys who had a dish that was too cold and wine too warm? Maybe, but it still seemed like people were quite happy and Ed was WAY smoother at front of house, no backup at the entry way. Servers weren't great for either team. I thought the guys would win and when they didn't, I thought Grayson would win for the girls with two great dishes.

                                                                                                                                              It's definitely not fair for the girls to see how it's going for the guys and be able to use that for their cooking. (Whether it helped them is another question but still unfair.)

                                                                                                                                              Sara's the new Heather.

                                                                                                                                              Beverly is def. an odd duck but they sure heap it on her.

                                                                                                                                              Moto Chris's dessert was ugly as sin.

                                                                                                                                              Tom, get over the coconut.

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                                                                                                                                                huiray Jan 12, 2012 06:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                In agreement with everything you said.

                                                                                                                                                I did think the guys edged out the gals in the end, all things considered.

                                                                                                                                                The servers for both teams certainly seemed befuddled, like newbies in food service; they were terrible.

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                                                                                                                                                  soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                  i think they were the same servers, for both nights? agreed, pretty bad servers!

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                                                                                                                                                  Shrinkrap Jan 12, 2012 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                  "Tom, get over the coconut."

                                                                                                                                                  I wanted to say it's ALMOND joy, not COCONUT joy!

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                                                                                                                                                    babette feasts Jan 12, 2012 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Whatever, it's one almond on a slab of coconut, the coconut is the main thing. Mounds are better anyway because they are dark chocolate :) I thought it was funny that Nyesha coincidentally ended up making a coconut dessert in the LCK challenge, so Tom finally got his coconut.

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                                                                                                                                                      JAB Jan 12, 2012 05:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                      If they would only combine the two. Dark chocolate with almond...

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                                                                                                                                                        kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                        JAB, I say that all the time!! Why can't they take the best of both worlds with regards to Mounds and Almond Joy?? They're both made by Peter Pan.... it just baffles me why that hasn't even been tried!

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                                                                                                                                                          acgold7 Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                          It *has* been tried... I've seen it in test markets. And it's Peter Paul, now part of Hershey's.

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                                                                                                                                                            kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                            ah yes, thank you, brain fart :P Aww too bad the NE hasn't been a test market for that, I'd buy a ton!

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                                                                                                                                                          babette feasts Jan 13, 2012 06:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I know. <sigh>

                                                                                                                                                          Good thing I know how to make my own!

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                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap Jan 13, 2012 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Well........it USED to be TWO almonds on each slab of coconut, so.........

                                                                                                                                                          Anyway, I used to want MILK chocolate WITHOUT the almonds.........

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                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I thought the guys would win and when they didn't, I thought Grayson would win for the girls with two great dishes.
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                                                                                                                                                        ditto, and ditto. i was really hoping the guys would win so they could send Lindsay or Bev home, and when the girls did win i was hoping they would send Chris J packing. Tom's comment to him at JT almost made it sound like he really just wants to be rid of him.

                                                                                                                                                    2. janetofreno Jan 11, 2012 09:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I started to try and recap but then I realized I didn't even remember who cooked which dish. I know that Beverly made short ribs, which were the favorite dish and won it for her. And I know Lindsay had a halibut dish, that might have been the least favorite of the winning teams' dishes...fish was overcooked. Lindsay was working front of the house for the girls, and had given Beverly hurried instructions on how to finish/plate the fish. But she obviously didn't trust Beverly to do it right...so why didn't she ask one of the other girls? Lindsay was front of the house but totally screwed up at it...mainly because she kept going back into the kitchen to tell the others what to do (translate: to boss them around). The judges waited quite a while before anyone even greeted them.

                                                                                                                                                      OK, here's what I do know: the boys had the first night, not the girls. That was decided by a flip of a coin....and yes, I agree it did give the girls an advantage to learn from their mistakes. But their service was WORSE than the boys...they won on their food, not on service.

                                                                                                                                                      The boys' restaurant was called Canteen. One complaint that I had was it seemed really noisy in there. I could barely here the judges comments over the din; I wonder if they had trouble hearing each other. It was supposed to be simple food brought up a notch, or something like that. The best dish of the night was one of the desserts (and now I forget whose it was!!) that was called Almond Joy. It was kind of a layered cookie with chocolate on the top. But it also was responsible for the most amusing lines of the night: Tom C. was adamant that it couldn't be called Almond Joy because it really didn't contain coconut (well, it had a little coconut powder dusting apparently, but not enough of that chewy sweet goodness that makes an Almond Joy an almond joy). Tom kept asking "Where's the coconut?" I think that should be the next Mars advertising campaign...kind of like "Where's the beef?" lol. But even Tom admitted it was his favorite dish of the night...he just had a problem with the name....

                                                                                                                                                      The girl's restaurant was Half Bushel. I think they did a better job with the decor. They had dividers in places, which I think helped with the noise factor and also made the place feel a little more homey. It was a HUGE space with wood floors so prone to noise. As I said before, the girls really had a problem with service/timing....

                                                                                                                                                      Dammit Linda, this is harder than it looks. Obviously you really spend some time on your recaps and take advantage of the recording. I have a new-found admiration for these recaps. I can't remember much of anything. Hoping you figure out how to fix the recording....Hugs to you!!

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                                                                                                                                                        soupkitten Jan 11, 2012 10:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                        the "almond joy" was ed's, but chris jones helped quite a bit on the dish because ed was foh.

                                                                                                                                                        iirc beverly was executing lindsay's halibut because she just had ownership of one dish (short ribs), sarah and grayson each had 2.

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                                                                                                                                                          acgold7 Jan 12, 2012 12:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                          A minor point, but Almond Joy has been made by Hershey's ever since they bought Peter Paul. Mars is from M&M/Mars, which used to use Hershey's chocolate during WWII but is now their primary competition and a completely different company.

                                                                                                                                                          Remember the whole story about M&M vs Reese's Pieces and the movie "E.T."?

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                                                                                                                                                            StewieBoy Jan 12, 2012 03:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                            ...and yes, I agree it did give the girls an advantage to learn from their mistakes.

                                                                                                                                                            We've all seen, what, 8 other Restaurant Wars by now. You would think that as food service professionals, and fans of the show, that they would know where ALL the land mines are. There's even another board here on Chowhound about things you should know before you become a contestant!

                                                                                                                                                            That said, I think the Elves were trying to mislead us with the edits. I thought that Lindsay was going home because Bev messed up her dish.

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                                                                                                                                                              chicgail Jan 12, 2012 05:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I was left unclear about whether Bev messed up Lindsay's dish or whether Beverly cooked it exactly the way Lindsay told her to do it - and Lindsay has the wrong technique.

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                                                                                                                                                                ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 05:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I think it is was a matter of interpretation. The judges said it was slightly overcooked but didn't really seem to think it was anything egregious. That's the problem with someone cooking your food though, isn't it? IMO not the best choice of protein if someone else is cooking for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                  StewieBoy Jan 12, 2012 06:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Or choose a dish that is both simple and robust enough to just plain survive the confusion!

                                                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Are you suggesting cat food? :-) Or cooked cat? ::rubbingchin::

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                                                                                                                                                                jcattles Jan 12, 2012 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                "That said, I think the Elves were trying to mislead us with the edits. I thought that Lindsay was going home because Bev messed up her dish."

                                                                                                                                                                I agree about the editing. I thought the girls were going to lose & Lindsey would be going home. I have to admit I wasn't watching very closely though. I don't feel very invested in this season, no one blows me away & I'm kinda meh about the whole thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 03:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Thanks janet for the words of encouragement. Yes the DVR'ing definitely helps. :-) As I said below, I'll watch and recap when I get home from work tonight.

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                                                                                                                                                                  gaffk Jan 12, 2012 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks Linda. I missed the show and logged on to read your always brilliant blow-by-blow description. Sniff :(

                                                                                                                                                                  Damn you Verizon!

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                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    It's there gaffk. Finally. Yes, DAMN YOU Verizon! I was still having problems with fast-forwarding - the system would shut me out of the DVR'd show and I'd go back to the beginning - having to Fast Forward yet AGAIN and then pause and THEN hit Play so I could watch it going forward. Mini-fast-forwards isn't working either. I'm definitely calling Verizon tomorrow!

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                                                                                                                                                                      gaffk Jan 12, 2012 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Crossing my fingers . . .I've had Verizon FIOS for 18+ months and haven't had any issues (other than power outages during blizzards and hurricanes ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I think it was just a very confused remote and cable box. I still think the remote is confused, as the mini-fast-forwards/reverses don't seem to be working on DVR'd shows. I *will* be speaking with Verizon.

                                                                                                                                                              4. Shrinkrap Jan 11, 2012 11:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Okay, so what would we do if we were on Top Chef, and our captain went down! Who is going to step up? I'm going with the peacemaker edit.........And yes! This highlights how hard this is!

                                                                                                                                                                Linda .....can I send a check or something?

                                                                                                                                                                1. LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 03:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Folks, I'm *just* back with Internet this morning. Yes, in addition to losing the TV, Remote, etc, I lost the Internet last night. Gah THIS is why I didn't want to bundle everything!

                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, I DVR'd the 11:30pm show, and will watch and do the full recap tonight when I get home from work. Even if it gets all covered throughout the day. Because I'm wicked anal-retentive like that and I *have* to have the full recap done. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                    chowser Jan 12, 2012 04:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Good to hear! There's a board full of CHs waiting for you!

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                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I *missed* you all last night as I was ranting and raving by myself in my house! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm going to do the write-up and then see if the Mods will kindly move it to the main post. They've been very accommodating and I hope they'll be so again.

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                                                                                                                                                                    ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 05:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    SPOILER ALERT - It wasn't shown in next week's previews but no one is eliminated in the episode. Beverly finally snaps when Sarah quips, "You're not marking the meat right." Beverly promptly grabs her by the hair and puts face to grill screaming, "How about that?!?!? Is that marked properly for you?!?!?" *Grayson watches with glee*

                                                                                                                                                                    As they cart Sarah away - freshly branded - Bev turns her attention to Lindsey and snaps, "Go ahead drop one more f bomb at me. I dare you! It's not like there isn't plenty of neck to grab!"

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                                                                                                                                                                      Phaedrus Jan 12, 2012 05:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      +100

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                                                                                                                                                                        nojunk Jan 12, 2012 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        lmao. you are insane, in a very good way!

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                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          :::giggling:::: Very funny ladybug!

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                                                                                                                                                                            christy1122 Jan 12, 2012 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I wish...

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                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              That's great. And Ed is pissed because Sarah is not pushing through with her burnt face.

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                                                                                                                                                                              ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Prediction: If Nyesha makes to the final, she is going to ROLL the competition. It means she will have laid waste to every damn one of those chefs at some point. Doing real cooking instead of this 100 degree, gummi bear, melodramatic, catering bullshit. She'll be fresh, inspired, and thinking about what she's going to do if and when she makes it to the final. The other two chefs will be beat down, exhausted, and struggling for mental strength. The girl is soooo fun to watch on Last Chance Kitchen.

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                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 12, 2012 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Or else she gets back from LCK, ready to steamroll the finale, and is handed a 10 gallon hat made of beef jerky and an oil drum filled with pop tarts and told to cater an event for 600 with Moto Chris (he's still there!) as her partner.

                                                                                                                                                                                Paul wins by demonstrating his brilliance with Eggo Waffles and previously-thought-inedible parts of the Toyota Scion's interior. Malibu Chris wins fan favorite based on an upsurge of support from the entire world's community that is still on MySpace. And only those of us true Top Chef nerds who follow along online every week are left remembering how awesome Nyesha was.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 12, 2012 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  <snort> You owe me a keyboard, cowboyardee. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                    ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Clearly you're with the Bravo! production crew and have inside information. Is there any reason to watch now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I hope you're right, ladybug!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 10:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I second that. I like her more and more as the season goes on. I actually was rooting for her (slightly) at the beginning since I'd seen her on Chef Hunter, and she impressed me with her attitude.

                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Phaedrus Jan 12, 2012 05:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    First lesson learned. We are just a loose conglomeration of addicts without the clear direction set by LindaWhit.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Now, to the episode. I have been coaching junior volleyball for 18 years. This episode is definitely fodder for Coaching 101. The dynamics between the sexes are startlingly obvious here. The cliche that we are taught in coaching seminars are that guys battle to bond and girls bond to battle and you can see the dynamics going on here. With the guys, it was lets go all in and lets get it done, it doesn't matter that we are competing against each other as well as together, except maybe with Moto Chris, although I don't think he held back because he was being conniving about it, I just think he is way too much about himself.

                                                                                                                                                                                    One the women's side, you can definitely see that because Beverly is no one's BFF that she is going to get slammed no matter what she does, guys can tolerate that better than women. It was good to see Grayson stand behind her but Lindsay and Sarah were displaying the characteristics of the typical female players that I have coached, they are nitpicky about who did what and everything is reflected back to themselves and their own social network. I think that if you were to go into the backgrounds of the women chefs that Grayson is the only one who had played team sports because she actually gets the part about a team is greater than the assembled parts.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Beverly is clueless about the social dynamics because as she had admitted, she is socially awkward and the fact that she grew up in an Asian family in the US speaks volumes. Asians, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and to a certain extent Indians, will circle the wagons pretty tightly rather than try to assimilate within the society. Being ensconced within your native circle and fighting the battle is more important than fitting into the society around you. I am pretty sure she didn't play team sports either.

                                                                                                                                                                                    These dynamics is what makes the group challenges interesting to me because as I was the battles between chefs, like Ed and Sarah, I can see that their gender based reactions complicating the communications. The restaurant War really emphasized the differences by putting the sexes against each other.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought Moto Chris was gone. And yes, I was hoping secretly that this is true.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am kind of ambivalent about Ty-Lor leaving. Not a bad guy but really made some bonehead moves.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I too think Paul is the best chef, although not by much. I think ed is strong but he second guesses himself and he is pretty hard headed.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I can see Beverly being an incredible chef on a dish by dish basis, but her pace and the inefficient wy she works is going to kill her.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Not thrilled about Grayson as a chef, but I like her spunk.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I think Lindsay and Sarah are both decent chef's but their own head games with themselves will do them in.

                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, I went into a diabetic coma when I saw Ed's dessert. HOLY CRAP!

                                                                                                                                                                                    I didn't think anyone can go wrong doing a pork belly dish. What's not to love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 12, 2012 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Very well said. Being a high school coach myself - lacrosse, mostly boys but I've also coached girls I agree 100% with the team dynamics and also agree with the assessment of Beverly - how her social awkwardness with her Korean upbringing plays a huge role in how passive she is. Grayson may have played team sport or may have spent a lot of time hanging with boys. I can see her hunting or fishing with her dad or brothers. Either way, she will certainly stand up for herself and, more likely to do so than the other women, others (Beverly) as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        lulumoolah Jan 12, 2012 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hey, just because you're Korean and never played team sports, doesn't necessarily mean that you are socially awkward and passive. I've met plenty of non-Asian people who are socially awkward and generally clueless. How do you explain their behavior? That they are of English stock and therefore socially awkward and passive since the English are "reserved" people.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Are you for real?

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                                                                                                                                                                                          ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, unfortunately he is, and coaching kids. Lovely.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            bobbert Jan 12, 2012 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I was basing it more on Beverly's own words. She herself described her upbringing and how it led to her social awkwardness specifically referring to her "Korean" mother and how she had to stay home and study for hours on end. I agree that stereotyping in general can be a bad thing but, according to Beverly herself, it appears she was raised in the "stereotypical" Korean home. Hey, as a New York Jew (who doesn't live in New York anymore), I've been subject to some falsehoods of stereotyping. That much being said, I would be the first to say I was raised in a stereotypical Jewish home and my mother (may she rest) was the stereotypical Jewish mother/grandmother - no offense intended or taken.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              lulumoolah Jan 12, 2012 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              As a Korean who grew up in a traditional Korean household, I don't see the correlation between that and being passive. Her issues are her issues and it's got nothing to do with staying at home for hours studying (and not playing team sports). I know plenty of aggressive, competitive Koreans who are nothing like Beverly. How do you explain Ed, who also is Korean and most likely grew up in a "stereotypical" Korean household? Is Ed the anomaly? Ed is the complete opposite of Beverly, so one would think that maybe it wasn't being brought up in a Korean household and it's really Beverly and not the fact that she's Asian.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Fyi, I was brought up to not take bs from anyone and to speak up by my old-school Korean parents.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                bobbert Jan 12, 2012 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                As I said, I was basing it on what Beverly herself said and it was she who brought being Korean and her Korean upbringing (whatever that might be) into the discussion. If she didn't talk about her demeanor as having something to do with her Korean upbringing, I would not have mentioned it. You need to take Beverly to task, not me. The one thing that throws me off with all that she says about her upbringing is the tattoo. Was that her rebelling maybe against her own feelings of being passive? I don't know - just wondering.

                                                                                                                                                                                                FWIW, I know only one Korean woman (came here in her 20's) really well (I live in Maine) and she is as far from passive as possible. Get in her way and she'd probably gut you. As stated before, no offense intended. I shall now disengage on this tangent. You may have the last word which my gut feeling tells me you will use to the max.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  lulumoolah Jan 12, 2012 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yup, you were right that I would respond. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                  You don't need to keep using Korean in conjunction with upbringing that is my issue. Yes, she is Korean and grew up with Korean parents, but her upbringing is hers and her family only. I understand that she alluded to her Korean upbringing, but so did Ed and they are nothing alike. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if her sisters are very different from her and at least one would have given Lindsay, Heather or Sara a piece of her mind. I know in my family my siblings and I are as different as can be. I would have punched Lindsay, Heather and Sara while another sibling would have used logic to reason with them. Same family, same upbringing, vastly different results.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    KailuaGirl Jan 12, 2012 03:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know many Korean women, all raised in traditional households, some in Korea, and none of them are shrinking violets. They are assertive whenever they need (or want) to be, sometimes to the point of being aggressive. The same can be said of others, male or female, and regardless of race or ethnicity. As you said, individuals differ tremendously in personality and style.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      AMFM Jan 12, 2012 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      she said she wasn't allowed to attend sleepovers, socialize, etc. just family not ethnicity. but would explain A LOT IMHO about her social unease.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 12, 2012 04:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think we're agreeing. There are kids all over America who aren't allowed to attend sleepovers, socialize and just hang out with their friends. I consider their parents to be hyper vigilant, to the detriment of their children. It does tend to make them socially awkward. I was friends in high school with some of the computer/math geeks and they were about as awkward as they come. They were smart and interesting, though, and had tons of skills I never developed. I'm just saying that anyone can have those deficits and still be a remarkable chef, scientist, doctor, inventor, or what have you. Bev's being raised traditionally Korean doesn't explain away her problems, nor did it cause them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Phaedrus Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Counter example arguments only work in mathematics.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The observation is made that I have seen, more than once but less than an infinite number of times, there I state that this is my observation. No one ever said, this is the general rule for ALL cases. By stating a counter example. I have seen the exact opposite. Does not mean that this is the general rule nor does it state that this is a singular occurrence. In fact the counter example does nothing to rebuke the initial observation, nor does it establish validity for the counter argument.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                They're all narratives, it's just a matter of which one you choose to like. Obviously the two of you don't like the same one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              marblebag Jan 16, 2012 08:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              You should get out more instead of using racial stereotypes to describe people on TV. Oh wait these aren't characters in a sitcom they are REAL PEOPLE!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                chicgail Jan 17, 2012 01:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                They are real people - as portrayed in the storyline created by the producers - and as the editor elves cut to keep it interesting, viewers like us returning to see what happens a la "All My Children" and speculating on message boards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 17, 2012 04:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes. It's funny that people keep harping about Bev and her behavior relating to Asians. No one has said, well, Sarah is a bully because of her Italian background (being related to the mafia or whatever). It's like they see Asian first and then start attributing characteristics to it. Caucasians own their personality but Asian personalities are based on their background. Bev never said it was her Korean background that made her socially awkward. She said her parents were strict and there are many parents who aren't Asian whose parents are strict.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 17, 2012 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Isn't it funny? Just like folks keep harping negatively about people cooking only "Asian" food (whatever that means) but don't object to other people cooking only Italian food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I always wonder if people see how their subconscious is working when they make comments like that. If you cook a western cuisine, you can be revered, eg no one has slammed Sarah for only doing Italian well. If you concentrate in an Asian cuisine, that's considered "just." I thought it was laughable that Heather said she does farm to table and saw that as better than "Asian." The only thing Heather seemed to do well was Ed's cake recipe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pookipichu Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I believe Heather was merely pointing out that Asians do not use products from their farms in their cuisines.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Phaedrus Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          What? Not use products from their farms in their cuisine? Are you speaking as Heather or as yourself? That is completely ignorant of the food practices in Asia. The agrarian tradition in Asian food is very strong, even with the growth of western influenced food industries, the farm to table ideal is still observed, to the best of their ability. The insistence on fresh vegetables is ever present.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            DGresh Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm pretty sure Pookipichu had tongue firmly in cheek.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Phaedrus Jan 17, 2012 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry, we could really use a voice inflection feature here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            LOL, of course not. However, somehow beef stroganoff made with braised rib eyes (still can't get over that) is part of her "farm to table" cuisine but don't try to throw any of those funny "Asian" spices into anything!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I believe your memory may be faulty. I remember Fabio Viviani being criticized for making mostly only Italian food during both TC5 & 8.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And Ilan for doing only Spanish. (Still can't believe he won.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't even remember why he did win...I think it had something to do with him making some kind of authentic Hawaiian food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pookipichu Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              No one was condescending to Fabio about cooking Italian. Find one instance in Top Chef history where someone has been condescending about Italian food... In case you haven't noticed, we have Sarah cooking Italian the whole season without being commented on. And the comments directed at Ilan were regarding his overuse of saffron and wholesale ripping of menu items from Casa Mono.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              This topic has been discussed ad nauseum. Even the reference to her cooking "only" Asian is insidiously obnoxious. Asia does not = one (pick your) European country. It's so ignorant and it seems like some people still don't understand something so simple.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                You are using your own experience and bias to infer that saying Beverly only cooks Asian food is more condescending than saying Fabio only cooks Italian food. You said no other cuisine gets the rap that Asian food does and I simply pointed out an instance where another cuisine was treated in a similar manner. I never said it happened in every instance that cuisine was prepared. People have gotten a similar rap throughout TC. Some chefs have been tagged with the "only knows how to cook seafood" label. How about "this isn't Top Scallop'? Did anybody say about Beverly in this episode "she only cooks Asian food"?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Correct, I am using my experience, my ears and eyes to hear inflection and see expression. For instance, "You're smart" and "You're smart". One instance can be complimentary, the other caustic or sarcastic depending on delivery. If I have any bias, it's against obnoxious cheftestants who deliver condescending and sweeping generalizations about the cuisines of an entire continent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 17, 2012 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Read my response to Cowboy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "You are using your own experience and bias to infer that saying Beverly only cooks Asian food is more condescending than saying Fabio only cooks Italian food. You said no other cuisine gets the rap that Asian food does"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is more insulting and condescending. Because 'Asian food' isn't a cuisine on par with Italian food. Instead, the term is a simplistic and ignorant lumping together of many cuisines. The comparison itself of 'Asian food' to 'Italian food' does the cuisines of Asia a disservice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Saying a chef only cooks 'European food' would be similarly condescending and insulting to saying another only cooks 'Asian food.' And even then I'm not sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 17, 2012 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My only point is that insults are being thrown around all the time. Asians and Asian cuisine do not have a corner on the insult market.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        chowser Jan 17, 2012 01:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Which makes it okay?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 17, 2012 02:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nope, just my attempt to put it into perspective.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...and it is still an apples and oranges comparison, IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Italian" refers to one country. "Asian" refers to a whole continent. *Even if* one insists on the frequent USAmerican misuse of the term to refer to "East Asian" that still includes Chinese, Japanese, Korean as the dominant cuisines, including all the regional cuisines. And if one says it is East/South-East Asian, then that refers to *so many more* cuisines. And to a Britisher s/he might be thinking of "Asian" as "Indian" or "Pakistani", also ignoring all the regional cuisines. :::Shrug::: We've talked about this subject many times in the past elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It might be different if someone accused a cheftestant of cooking only Korean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Furthermore, it has been said that Fabio Viviani was cooking Tuscan cuisine primarily and/or had Tuscan food as his frame of reference, *not* food from all over Italy which would be more varied.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It also seems that the accusation of "only Asian" is often hurled with more vituperation and with curled lip than "only Italian" where slight exasperation might be the limit of the emotion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    FoodPopulist Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What's the best forum for making the argument that Asian food > European food?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      huiray Jan 17, 2012 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dunno. Hmm, by ">" do you mean "better than" or "larger set than" ? Not sure arguing about either question would give satisfaction to all, though, as there would be as many opinions as there would be responders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Nevertheless, here's a related thread that may be of interest: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/793355

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        FoodPopulist Jan 17, 2012 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I mean "better than". Don't care about giving satisfaction to all, just people who agree with me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 17, 2012 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Heh. Well, take a look at that thread I mentioned. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        bobbert Jan 17, 2012 01:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On any given day there are more people eating the food of Asia than any other continent. I guess that makes them # 1. Go Asia!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Phaedrus, cooking in a restaurant in the real world is a "team sport."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Phaedrus Jan 12, 2012 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              True dat, but how many times have we seen chefs being small and petty during a team challenge? You would think that they would have gained that experience from working. Whiles have dealt with the team challenges very well. I would hazard to postulate, at the risk of being hammered, that those who do well in the team challenges have learned from their team activities, while the others, not so much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Being a member of a team means more than plays well with others, it involves being self sacrificing and being willing to expose your own vulnerabilities in service to the overall good of the team.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                True. But what Phaedrus is overlooking is that Top Chef is actually an individual competition that merely resembles a team sport at times. Beverly's win this week should be taken as a reminder of that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Meanwhile, the fellas were focusing on smooth service and working together efficiently - the kind of thing that's important in a real restaurant - but didn't focus so much on individually making dishes that wow... and they lost for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                The biggest upside of being a 'good teammate' on Top Chef is that you look good on TV, which could ostensibly help your career. But it doesn't help you get the win.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                "First lesson learned. We are just a loose conglomeration of addicts without the clear direction set by LindaWhit."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                I <3 you, Phaedrus. ::::Mwahhhh!:::: Thanks. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                momjamin Jan 12, 2012 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hugh's blog is up -- I think it's my favorite of his so far -- great comments about Beverly dynamics and Chris' Star Trek comments.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  californiabeerandpizza Jan 12, 2012 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. I don't think it's fair to say that Bev is not a team player, she just gets very focused on what she's doing. If I was on a team with her my strategy would be to ask her what she wants to do, send her into her zone to do it, and be confident that her dish is going to be done well. In my opinion Bev and Paul are putting out the most interesting food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    AsperGirl Jan 13, 2012 03:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's because you'd be trying to win. Lindsay was already losing in her head, and she was lashing out with blaming others, trying to save herself, when they weren't even losing the challenge. Lindsay was focused on tagging Beverly as the fall guy in case they lost, instead of on how to win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Beverly is reliable and consistent, once someone bothers to notice how she likes to work. She's not a drama queen. I would rather have her on my team.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Alex318 Jan 12, 2012 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lets face it - this season started with 28/32 dont remember and no one sticks out. The best chef in the competition is Nyesha - how many times does she have to prove it before she gets back on the show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Beverly is probably the second best chef as she seems to put out great food, but man, she could care less about anyone else in team settings. If she makes it to final 4 she has a great shot to win. Will be interesting to see if she can 'command' her sous chefs and oh how great would it be if Sara and the other larger one (cant remember name and thats a horrible description so apologize) are her sous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chris from Chicago - ive never seen some last this long by doing so little. He reminds of the sour puss girl that made it the finals.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Paul is probably 3rd.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You could replace the rest and probably wouldnt notice if they were new.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chris from Chicago - ive never seen some last this long by doing so little.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    agreed, and Tom C has obviously lost patience with him. at JT he said something to the effect of "when are you going to step up?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Start Trek bit was highly amusing (but not at all surprising).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      samlev Jan 12, 2012 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Especially since he was calling it the Karabashi Maru and not the correctly pronounced Kobayashi Maru....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The philistine that he is......

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          samlev Jan 12, 2012 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Heh...I just git a kick out of it as he went all Star Trek condescending but was mispronouncing that rather important and widely known bit of Trek lore....Trekkies the world over looked on in horror.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 04:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's just it. I'm not hardcore, but shit, if you're gonna cite it get it right. He was saying it with a straight face. He might as well have been saying "chipol-tay".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mikey031 Jan 12, 2012 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is it just me or does it seem like the personalities and the bickering has taken the for front in the season more than in the past? I'm sure a ton of the character building that we end up seeing in the final cut is due to production and editing, but I get the feeling that we as watchers, the judges, and producers have come to find that the food these chefs are preparing is absolute shit compared to what others have accomplished in previous seasons. Most obviously compair Richard Blais to Moto Cris.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        debbiel Jan 12, 2012 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just read Hugh's blog post. After that, combined with watching him on Watch What Happens, I've decided to leave my husband and life behind and run away with him, even if the hughnibrow stays.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He has some interesting comments about Bev not at all fitting what he sees as a professional chef, wondering how she manages in a professional kitchen, but that she is sending out good food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He was also in disagreement with other judges on at least a couple of dishes (Moto's mess of a dessert, Sarah's caponata).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lawgirl3278 Jan 12, 2012 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Beverly's an odd bird for sure, but I don't think she deserves the vitriol that's spewed by the female chefs. And I thought it was totally f'ed up that after Bev won that Sarah announced to the group that Lindsey should have won. Congratulate the poor thing or just shut up!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, what was that all about? Not only was she wrong for offering her rude opinion, but she didn't even know that Lindsey would have most likely have been sent packing if they had lost. Seems like she's strategically playing up to Lindsey for friendship.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And if Lindsay got sent packing, Sarah would have put the blame on Beverly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Which likely would have been about half-correct.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bobbert Jan 12, 2012 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She would have been sent home, not for her dish but for her failure in FOH. But, even then, at judges table, I could easily see Lindsay and Sarah both saying that Lindsay HAD to be in the kitchen trying to salvage her dish that Beverly was screwing up. They would have somehow placed all the blame on Beverly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lindsay, and to a lesser degree her partner in bitchiness Sarah, should not only be less bitchy, they should actually be THANKING Bevery for making such a great dish. If Beverly's dish wasn't as good as it was and even if Lindsay's fish was cooked perfectly but the guys won... Lindsay would be gone, period. Lindsay should be kissing Beverly's ass for coming up with such a great dish and it did look really good. Beverly saved Lindsay. Even Hugh said it was THE changing point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JuniorBalloon Jan 12, 2012 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agree with everything you've said here, but how many times will Bev make Short Ribs? Is it 3 or only 2?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As many times as she needs to. If the others are going to put things like "deconstructed Cracker Jack" out there, why not? It doesn't do a damn thing for us viewers, but it's advancing her cause.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The judges will knock her for it eventually. Though it's possible she could make it every episode and win. Would be one sad day, and not because it's Bev, I have nothing against her, I think she is interesting and unfairly criticised, if the other dishes sucked so bad and her ribs were tasty she could do it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Worldwide Diner Jan 12, 2012 08:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They should rename the show Top Short Rib.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        bobbert Jan 12, 2012 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, but that seemed to be after everything else she came up with was summarily vetoed by Sarah. It got to the point where Beverly, almost out of frustration, said "OK, then short ribs". I do think Beverly is an excellent chef - maybe too one dimensional in her style but so far it's working well for her as opposed to Chris who has been one dimensionally falling short. I still think Beverly's downfall is going to be when she has to multitask - she does a great job on one thing at a time - not so great dong multiple things.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JuniorBalloon Jan 12, 2012 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          She did get the veto hammer repeatedly, but I'd like to see something different. It's Top Chef, not Top Short Rib. Hmm, that just doesn't have the same ring as Top Scallop.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap Jan 12, 2012 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i was wondering about that . Is there an official count? whatevs...i am trying the recipe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 12, 2012 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If Lindsey was so upset with Beverly, she certainly could have asked someone else to cook the halibut. Say, perhaps, Sarah.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I totally agree that Beverly's dish saved the team. Yes. she's a bit odd. She cooks at her own pace. She doesn't like being bullied. Get over it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 12, 2012 07:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think Sarah might have been in the weeds with her own dishes, or at least at the fryer since both of her dishes were fried balls of carbs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't you believe that if Lindsay got sent home in last night's episode that her slightly overcooked halibut would not have been mentioned? We can do the what if game on every step of the way, so I generally avoid those scenarios, where would they end?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ain't that the truth. When in doubt, it's Beverly's fault. (Not that she seems to mind shouldering any, and all, blame.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            bobbert Jan 12, 2012 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The whole Karma thing is working very well for her. I WISH that I had the composure Beverly displays. Personally, I would have gone off on multiple f-bomb tirades and then been embarrassed after. She manages to stay calm which, in an almost giddy-like perverse way, annoys her tormenters even more. And then she wins! That really kills them! It’s like she just strolls through and all the venom being spewed somehow misses and she comes out clean on the other side. I really would like to at least see her outlast Sarah and Lindsay. To see them in the LCK with Heather while Beverly was still competing would be priceless

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Worldwide Diner Jan 12, 2012 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bev reminds me of Carla - another goofball that got much farther than deserved. Both can cook but I don't see much creativity or ability outside of their comfort zone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 12, 2012 09:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wow...I was not a big fan of Carla's quirkiness at the time but she grew on me and I thought she was fun in the All-Star competition. She has since ended up on daily national network television. Much of her success, at least on TV, is due to her personality. In contrast, Beverly has little in the way of a compelling personality.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  AsperGirl Jan 14, 2012 07:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Whether or not you think Beverly has anything in the way of a compelling personality, might have to do with how shallow and phony are the women you are used to. Not all women are smack-talking game players, especially Asians.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 14, 2012 07:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You missed my point entirely. I was referring to television. WWD made a comparison of Carla to Beverly. I am 'used to' neither Carla nor Beverly. I do know enough about television production that it is unlikely that Beverly would be asked to be part of a daily national television show. That was the extent of my comments about Carla and Beverly. You might wish to re-read the post to which you replied. What does race have to do with anything? There are many Asian television personalities, Kelly Choi, Lisa Ling, and Connie Chung come to mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Leepa Jan 15, 2012 05:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as personalities go, I know which one I'd rather be stranded on a desert island with. Not Carla. She'd drive me nuts in short order.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 15, 2012 05:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Give me Carla's goofiness over Heather's bitchiness any day! If I was stranded with someone who bitched at me day in and day out, I'd probably kill her or start swimming for the horizon, praying for a nice school of sharks to come my way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Leepa Jan 15, 2012 06:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was comparing Carla and Beverly, not Heather and Carla. I wouldn't go anywhere with Heather in the first place so no chance of being stuck with her. ; )

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 15, 2012 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry, my bad. That'll teach me to wake up in the middle of the night, read this, and then think I'm capable of posting something cogent.... Between Carla and Beverly, I have to agree with you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 15, 2012 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree, she would drive be batty as well. Plus you could push Beverly around a lot. "Go pick some bananas. This coconut cream pie is awful. Go tell the Professor the batteries are low on the radio".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          AsperGirl Jan 15, 2012 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't miss your point at all.  You stated that much of Carla's success, at least on TV, is due to her personality.  You didn't qualify your statements by saying Carla has a good personality for television specifically.  And with Beverly, you say that she has little in the way of a compelling personality [at all].

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When you put two opinions in parallel like that, and you add a qualifier to one and omit it from the other, the parallelism suggests meaning where such differences exist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Since you didn't qualify your comment about Beverly's lack of compelling personality, the implication, by contrast with your qualifying your statement about Carla re:TV, is that it is Beverly is an unqualified personality-deficient woman (in any context, TV or not-TV)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Besides, your post was clearly as a viewer/consumer since you were talking about your personal reaction to the women in shows.  There's no other context, like "speaking as someone with television personality casting experience..", and the post you were responding to was also personal opinion.  So implying it was an objective, and not personal, opinion seems even more far-fetched.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BTW, I think what also makes for interesting reality TV is when people misread other people's surfaces and misjudge their talent based on a lack of a talking game, which, in my opinion, people might be doing now with Beverly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 15, 2012 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow, you put a lot of thought into this, way more than I did. A thought occurred to me and I posted it. Maybe I should have posted "So far, Beverly has shown us, on this season of Top Chef, little in the way of a compelling personality". If and when Beverly is part of a daily national television program after her Top Chef experience I will retract my previous statement.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      californiabeerandpizza Jan 13, 2012 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Have we seen anyone go out of their comfort zone? The range of challenges have been so narrow it's been difficult for any of them to show their range. Remember the challenge (from the N.Y. season I think) when the chefs had to cook for the French masters? I'd love to see something like that with this group. But thus far it seems everything other than Restaurant Wars has been Texas themed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JAB Jan 13, 2012 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, and can you imagine if Bourdain was released upon this group this season?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 13, 2012 08:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We can only wish! It would be hilarious and wonderful if he'd at least blog about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            marcopolo Jan 13, 2012 06:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Yes, and can you imagine if Bourdain was released upon this group this season?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pretty sure I caught a glimpse of him in the next episode at the table with the other judges

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              gaffk Jan 13, 2012 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Really? I thought I saw Ripert, not Bourdain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Time will tell.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 14, 2012 08:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It was Ripert. Here's the preview from Bravo's site - you can see him briefly at 18 seconds into the preview:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.bravotv.com/top-chef/season-9/videos/let-the-wicked-feast-begin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I just looked at the earlier preview video here where Padma introduces Charlize Theron: http://www.bravotv.com/top-chef/seaso...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yup - Eric Ripert.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  marcopolo Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  oops, my bad. definitely Ripert. those two hang out together so often, i'm having trouble telling them apart, lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 16, 2012 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You can tell them apart by the accent. One's French, one's Noo Yawk. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 14, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh, just how delicious would that be?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Phaedrus Jan 16, 2012 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For LindaWhit. You take Ripert, I'll take Theron. Deal?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 16, 2012 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TOTAL deal. :::pinky swearing with Phaedrus::::

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 16, 2012 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    excellent choice, Phaedrus. i may prefer men, but i wouldn't kick Charlize out of bed for eating crackers even if they had gluten in 'em...though id shove her ass onto the floor in a nanosecond if Alex O'Loughlin came along.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @LW, did you get everything straightened out with the DVR? 48 hours 'til your next recap...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 16, 2012 07:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You know, I haven't checked. But I should do that, shouldn't I?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 17, 2012 07:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And an update - I spoke online with a Verizon FiOS tech agent, and he "reset" the software in the remote. It was a "glitch". So ALLLLLLL better! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 18, 2012 12:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          YAY! Just in time!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 18, 2012 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll be double-checking the remote when I get home tonight, just in case. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 18, 2012 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            phew! glad i asked :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You and me both. And glad it was just a software glitch that could be fixed by them sending a signal vs. having to wait 5+ days for a new one. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ladybugthepug Jan 13, 2012 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Have we seen anyone go out of their comfort zone?"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have we seen anyone IN their comfort zone? I don't know what the hell would happen if you took them to where you're suggesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. kubasd23 Jan 12, 2012 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Houston press recap is up!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ETA: I just read it.... pretty lame this week. I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're bored. Sad, as I usually like this one quite a bit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      here's the Eater recap for ya:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://eater.com/archives/2012/01/12/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "The ladies have a whole night to dine at Chez Penisse and sleep and think."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chez Penisse. hee hee :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 07:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL! That Max. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 07:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          some of his comments about Beverly, Lindsay & Sarah were hi-larious.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I *LOVE* the picture he found for "Restaurant Wars"!!! LOL

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              you mean on the houston press recap? I cracked up when I saw that!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here's the picture. :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  momjamin Jan 13, 2012 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Would have only been better if it had been Star Trek instead of Star Wars, given Chris' trekkie reference ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    yep, that was in the Houstonpress one.... Loved the fact that that randomly came up :P

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joanie Jan 13, 2012 05:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh man, this was one of the best ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Twenty-nine episodes into the Texas season of Top Chef,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe Sarah and Lindsay are tired from staying up all night and brainstorming new and inventive ways to be condescending dipshits to Beverly. That would tucker me out too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but why half bushel? A half bushel is definitely less than a whole bushel. If I had to choose between a bushel or a half bushel of something, 9 times out of 10 I’d go bushel, with the tenth time being when the bushel is filled with maggots. “I only want half those maggots.”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lindsay and Sarah gang up on Beverly in the grocery store. “Beverly, are you sure you need all those limes? Beverly, put down those eggplants. Beverly, don’t eat that, that’s not food. No en la boca.” It is humiliating and excruciating to watch them treat her like a dumb child (the worst kind of child). But also Beverly should not have been sitting in the cart with her legs hanging out the front.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chris Jones suggests maybe putting a pony tail on all the dishes, but straight up into the air for no reason save that it’s disgusting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              you got all of my favorites in there except one:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "The notes I took about Sarah while I watched the episode are unprintable here. I don’t even know what they mean mostly, but I was clearly very upset with her. There are lots of four-letter words and also something called a “horsebeast.” Why did I underline “condescending shit weed”? I remember now."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I got some weird looks from the dogs and cats when I read that one because I let out this weird loud half laughing half snorting sound.... yikes

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 06:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ha! i startled the dog when i yelped at that one too :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Manassas64 Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't have much to add to what has already been said. For me, I thought this was the most boring of Restaurant Wars episodes and this season is sort of a snoozefest for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That said, I wasn't really interested in the LCK stuff in the beginning, but now I (a) can't wait for them to post it and (b) find it more interesting and exciting than the show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            centralpadiner Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I actually have to agree with all of this. I feel like I am watching Top Chef just to find out who I will be watching on LCK, and how they got there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jcattles Jan 12, 2012 01:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Me too! I get more excited watching them cook & rooting for the winner than I have for the regular show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            nojunk Jan 12, 2012 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not a LCK spoiler, but a comment, so skip this post if you haven't seen it yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Though it plays to the drama, which of course I don't like, I was fascinated by Nyesha's comments that her competition with Ty-lor was personal. She was very candid in those comments, and maybe dropped down her guard a little (at least from my perception of her), dropped a little of her strict professionalism, and I thought it was interesting...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It also made me nervous that she might not perform as well if she was affected by her personal/emotional feelings...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ladybugthepug Jan 12, 2012 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Smart girl. Gutted his ass by choosing Heather. He was beat before they even started. I'm more nervous about when the low hanging fruit is depleted. The caliber of chef is going to be markedly better in the coming weeks. If Chris gets bounced next week, that'll be the last pushover she sees. I'm pulling for her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Please, no spoilers for LCK in this thread! There's another thread for that. And nojunk's post should probably be moved too, that kind of post just invites people to post spoilers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  dmjordan Jan 12, 2012 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think that nojunk's comment was pretty innocent. Usually the recap gives you every detail of LCK but the winner. I stopped reading it because it gave too much away.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If Chris gets bounced next week, that'll be the last pushover she sees.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  not necessarily. i'm still not convinced Lindsay is all that great, and Bev seems to require a lot of lead time to perform well. she's never won a QF, and i don't know that she'd do so well under the pressure of LCK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. chicgail Jan 12, 2012 05:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks, Linda!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks, Mods!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  THANK YOU MODS! You're the best. :-D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 12, 2012 05:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Damn, LW . . . you have some serious pull with those mods. I am duly impressed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And thanks again for the wonderful recap. Episode is *still* not on demand yet and even reading these threads doesn't do the episode the justice your recap does. (I did watch LCK though ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 06:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Demand usually doesn't come on until 24 hours later. So soon. Very soon. :-) And you're very welcome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now - will everyone please chime in and ask my kitty, Buster, to NOT wake up his Mom at 4:45am tomorrow morning? Momma didn't much like that this morning after not dropping off to sleep until after midnight last night, since I was wired for angry sound at Verizon. :-/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 12, 2012 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Weird, this season it's been available around 5 or 6 eastern time the next day. Maybe the elves got mad?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I'll ask Buster if you can get Mole & MalGato to stop whining on cue at 5:15 :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 06:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ahh - I always thought On Demand was 24 hours after the original airing. At least it was with Comcast. Haven't checked yet with Verizon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gaffk Jan 12, 2012 07:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yay, it's on! (Not that I don't know who wins and loses ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 12, 2012 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have been forced to watch LCK on the laptop because for some reason the Comcast OnDemand version stopped after episode 7. I wonder why they put any of them on there if they were not going to do them all?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          debbiel Jan 12, 2012 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Great recap Linda--worth the wait!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray Jan 12, 2012 06:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you Linda!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. babette feasts Jan 12, 2012 06:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sarah made fried balls with sauce for an appetizer and fried balls with sauce for a dessert.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Beverly made both entrees and cooked the halibut to order, cooked the judges' favorite dish, and is somehow still the weak link?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mm-hm.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 06:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mmm....fried balls. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                gaffk Jan 12, 2012 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Huh. Sarah seems to like frying balls?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 07:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  while we're on the juvenile genitalia jokes (not that there is anything necessarily wrong with that)... but was anyone else struck by the poor taste exhibited by the women, in naming a restaurant featuring four chicks, no dicks.... "half bushel" ? ?? ??? ?????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and nobody called them on it..... or do i just have major gutter-mind going on?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 12, 2012 07:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, you have a major gutter-mind. Then again, WTF is with that name?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL. okay, i am fine with that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      hope it gets more chuckles than groans :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 07:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They were doing "farm-to-table rustic" and Lindsay said she had memories of getting bushels and half-bushels of fruit and/or vegetables or something like that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gaffk Jan 12, 2012 07:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thinking that's not where most minds are going.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ROFLMAO!!! Yeah, I didn't go there - so right now, it's all you, sk! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How about Ty (I think it was Ty) referring to their musical expediters as a "circle jerk"? And then there was Ed wondering aloud if the beer bottle on the chair in the stew room was meant to be sat upon by one of the guys. Ouch.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk Jan 12, 2012 07:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Once the nude pixs of Ty-Lor were out there it was a little hard to take him seriously.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              DGresh Jan 14, 2012 04:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yes, that's one of those things you can't "unsee". I'm kind of glad he's gone :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel Jan 12, 2012 07:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That was definitely a topic of conversation on the gawker live blog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joanie Jan 13, 2012 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That crossed my mind, more so when they were considering "Bushel", "Half Bushel" didn't seem so obvious (to those of us with minds in the gutter).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bart Hound Jan 13, 2012 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Me no understand. Can someone explain it to me?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mariacarmen Jan 13, 2012 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bush. girls.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bart Hound Jan 14, 2012 04:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ha! Thanks. My mind usually resides in the gutter, but this one went right over my head.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Shrinkrap Jan 12, 2012 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yay, Linda! You da (wo) man! Way to keep us grateful!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. gaffk Jan 12, 2012 07:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Lindsey has opened many restaurants for Michelle Bernstein"--so how is she so bad at it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 07:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Funny that, huh? Just what I thought when I heard it tonight and wrote what Grayson said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2012 08:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She was also such a sourpuss with the diners -- she's about as warm as liquid nitrogen!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From Linda's recap on what each chef cooked. "Sarah: Mozzarella-filled Aranchino with Sweet & Sour Eggplant & Celery Salad."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do I remember this right? Wasn't it Beverly who was buying eggplants at Whole Foods? And wasn't it Sarah who was saying something like "...what do we need those eggplants for?"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and didn't Emeril say something good specifically about the eggplant in Sarah's dish?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If that's what happened, I must have missed the part where Sarah either gave some credit to Beverly or thanked her. Damn editors - they must have cut that part out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 08:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i interpreted the supermarket scene differently. i thought Sarah was pissed because she had already decided to do caponata, and she saw Beverly with all those eggplants and figured that she was *also* planning to do something with eggplant. then at one point you saw Beverly pulling a bag of eggplants out of Sarah's cart, and Sarah snapped at her not to touch her things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    the other exchange was about the limes - she asked Beverly if she really needed "all 3 bags."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    meow!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 12, 2012 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I like my version better even if it's wrong. It was a little fuzzy for me so I guess I'll defer to your memory. I guess I was just hopeful that she used Beverly's eggplant - it would have worked better for the ratings. Oh well. I grudgingly hereby "take back" my last post :) I do remember the limes the same way as you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bart Hound Jan 13, 2012 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Here's a review from the Washington Post's "All You Can Eat" Blog;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/a...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Some excerpts:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My fantasy ending for this episode: That the judges eliminate all eight of the remaining cheftestants, declare the viewers the winner and donate the prize money to Share Our Strength.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Twitterverse and blogosphere agree this season shouldn’t have been called “Top Chef,” but more like “Stuff Most People Can Cook at Home Chef.”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Joanie Jan 13, 2012 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I can't remember who linked the Houston Chronicle article but I thought this was especially pertinent and it was what I was thinking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Except that I feel it again when the judges announce how terrible Canteen was, which wasn't really sold to us earlier on in the episode. The judges went from polite during the service to excoriating here at the end of it all. It's kind of an odd turn, and I feel like maybe the meal at Canteen was far, far worse than the cameras told us, in order to maybe make this elimination seem a little more shocking.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AsperGirl Jan 13, 2012 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It would be unfair to say anything negative or react to the food until both teams had served. Otherwise the other team might figure out what they're going to be compared to and what they have to beat. It's easier to win when you know what you have to beat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 13, 2012 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ...which is another indication that they should NEVER AGAIN do restaurant wars with the teams going at it on subsequent days.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            AsperGirl Jan 13, 2012 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            OMG that was sooo unfair! IMO even the waiters did better on the secomn night. And you know the guys would never complain since it was male vs female & that would be unmanly. That setup was wrong on so many levels.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel Jan 13, 2012 09:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Clearly they did react to the food. We heard some comments about it, including some negative ones. The discussion at the table was just edited to make it seem like the guys did not completely and totally blow it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How would the women know what the judges reactions were? They weren't at the same table. They knew what they had to beat because they ate the food, not because the judges talked about the food during service.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              AsperGirl Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well, they reacted but not in an expressive way that would be noticeable to other diners at other tables. Like Joanie pointed out, they were polite during service and saved the "excoriating" for later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree the girls got an advantage from tasting the guys' food first. At most, they might wonder if the judges got different execution,

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've found that's true about all JTs and editing. Even when they say the results were very close, they show criticisms of the losing team and compliments to the winning team. It always makes it seem like they're was no contest, even when the judges say it was almost too close to call.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              NellyNel Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm sorry, i'm late again to the party.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been reading through the thread, just waiting for someone to mention that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The judges seemed to really enjoy the Canteen experience - and yet the guys got BLASTED at judges table..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was pretty ticked by that..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It also took awhile for someone to mention what a sour puss Lindsay was as FOH.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nevermind her long absences....her demeanor was absolutely sour and condescending...to everyone including the diners and judges.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I really wanted to smack her, and was entirely pissed off we didnt see the judges call her out for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I may as well add my other 2 cents worth here

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LOVE Ed...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He is my new TC crush. (sorry Stefan!)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He cracked me up with his bottle up the wazoo comment!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also thought he was a great FOH presence.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sarah was horrible to Bev..She really was talking to her as if she were a child.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I also wanted to smack her.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have allot of Bev's personality traits, and know what it's like to have your opinions dismissed, simply because you are not agressive, and so, I really feel her pain....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Still digging Chris Moto's ponytail...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Happy Grayson stuck up for Bev....it was clear she was appalled at Sarah and Lindsay's behavior.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. roxlet Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Great job, Linda!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Somehow, I have been less gripped by this season's TC, and I kind of fade in and out while watching it, so Linda's recaps fill in the spaces where I spaced. I'm just not sure who I think should win this thing this year -- so mediocre have seemed the chefs. I just don't see the level of talent I have seen in past seasons, but I certainly have seen the level of snark! I think it's kind of creepy that (having disclosed that she was formerly abused by her man), we see Beverly in the position of emotional victim over and over again, this time being victimized by other women. Good cook, bad cook, team player or not, I don't see what has been happening to her as entertainment, and I find the emphasis on this aspect of her interaction with the other chefs and another example of victimization. I, for one, would like to see them tone done this aspect of this season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agree about the treatment of Beverly. It's uncomfortable to watch her being berated and treated the way she is by Lindsay and Sarah. Calling someone a f@kin retard and other similar words should be called out as what it is, verbal abuse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  WAIT. Did I *miss* something? Did one of them call Beverly a f**king retard?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 13, 2012 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I can't remember which one, but it was definitely said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LurkerDan Jan 13, 2012 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not hear any insult like that either!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Worldwide Diner Jan 13, 2012 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't recall hearing f**cking retard being use. I understand people like to cheer on the underdog but don't you wonder why no one wants to work with Bev? It's not just the women. In the BBQ challenge, Chris & Chris were the team of dregs that no one else wanted to work with.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser Jan 13, 2012 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Suck it up, they're on a team. I've managed to be on work teams w/ weak members and not swear and be condescending like Lindsay and Sarah. I know you think Beverly is a weak link but that doesn't justify their treatment of her. There is no excuse for abuse, physical or verbal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser Jan 13, 2012 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, Lindsay did. Was it also on one of the blogs? Or maybe comments elsewhere. I can't remember where I saw it.