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Top Chef Texas - Ep. #10 - 01/11/12 (Spoilers)

It's time for RESTAURANT WARS!!! And this time it's guys vs girls. And previews don't look good for either team.

They all walk into The Palm D'Or and Padma and Hugh Acheson are there to greet them. Each team will take over the restaurant for one night - the girls get the first night

3 course menu with 2 choices in each course. Someone is designated to run front of house.

And CRAP! I'm dead in the water. The recording has completely stopped and I cannot get it to go any further..will try and fix and continue recap. DAMN VERIZON FIOS!!!!

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OK, here's the recap - ONE DAY LATER! But as I said, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do, and I GOTTA do this recap, even 22 hours later! I'll ask the Mods to move this up to the main post and delete the content from the original. Hope they can do that!

P.S. Please don't respond to this post, as if the Mods can copy and paste it into the main thread, responses will be hanging out there on its own.
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It's time for RESTAURANT WARS!!! And this time it's guys vs girls. And previews don't look good for either team.

They all walk into the Palm Door and Padma and Hugh Acheson are there to greet them - in an empty space. YUP. It's Restaurant Wars! For the first time, RW is a battle of the sexes. Surprise all around. "Boys and girls fighting it out on the playground" said Edward. He did make some snark about Sarah, and Sarah gave some snark about Beverly about Beverly being a wreck in previous team challenges.

Each team will take over the restaurant for *one* night. It's up to each team to build the restaurant from the ground up. Hugh said he wants to see a complete concept - from the name, design, and menu. Each element should be in synch with the others. Then Padma says each team will dine at the other's restaurant.

Padma flips a coin - heads, girls cook first, tails the guys take over first. And it's tails. Hugh says the judges want to see a 3 course menu with 2 choices in each course - for 100 people. Each team must designate a FOH, and each team member must be responsible for one dish. Each team has 5 hours to decorate and cook before service - FIVE HOURS? Padma says that Tom and Emeril will join at judges table. They'll have 45 minutes to menu-plan, and $7,500 at Sur la Table and Garden Ridge.

They scatter to come up with the concepts. Edward chooses to be FOH for the guys, and their name is Canteen - a communal place to eat. The girls choose Lindsey to be FOH for the girls, as she's opened many restaurants for Michelle Bernstein, per Grayson, and she'll be able to stay calm under pressure. (Famous last words? Yes, I read a bit of the posts before typing this! LOL) Farm-to-table is their concept; rustic. Lindsey comes up with Half-Bushel for the name.

As they're planning, the guys work well with coming up with a menu; and yet the women seem to be combating Beverly and her suggestions: "Beets, beets, beets, beets....". Sarah, especially, is all over Beverly and her choices, and makes a face when Beverly suggests short ribs and says "But do you want to do them again?" Grayson backs up Beverly saying "Why not? She's f**king good at them!"

They go CRAZY shopping in Sur la Table and Garden Ridge, a home decor marketplace. (THAT place looks like a place I'd like!) Then they head over to WF to stock up on the food items they need. Sarah and Lindsey are both getting a bit catty about what Beverly's buying. But she seems to stand firm in getting what she wants.

They're back at the The Driskill, planning out how they're going to manage back" at the Palm Door. Chris Jones says the whole scenario is like Star Trek's "Kobayashi Maru," which is a challenge at Star Fleet Academy to test their captains at impossible situations.

The guys head over to Pink Avocado Catering kitchen to prep their food. Ed's helping out in FOH prepping the dining area for Canteen. He's doing everything up front, including cleaning the bathrooms! They have a staff meeting with the servers, and they're off.

But as service starts, there's no one doing the expediting of food to the diners. Edward has to tell people there is a delay in being seated, and some people who have food are finding it to need reheating.

The judges show up - Tom, Hugh, and Emeril and Padma. Service is still screwed up, and Ty-Lor ends up going out front to expedite the service. Emeril realizes that with Ty up front, they're in the weeds The ladies show up to be seated.

The judges get their first appetizer plates:

Ty-Lor: Thai Style Crab & Shrimp Salad, Caramel Fish Sauce & Grilled Peanuts, and then
Paul: Ham & Eggs - a Ham & Pork Paté with Mushrooms, Braised Mustard Seeds and Duck Fat Crostini and some nectarines.

Padma notes that Paul's now out doing the expediting, and Ty-Lor tells Edward to just *let* Paul do the expediting.

The entrees come out to the judges:

Ty-Lor & Paul: Poached Salmon in Warm Tomato Water, Clams, Crispy Salmon Skin and Tomatillo Jam.
Paul: Crispy Skin Pork Belly with Green Apple & Sweet Potato Purée. (That one looks REALLY good!) Immediately, Hugh notes that there are no mushrooms on the salmon.

Dessert is up next:

Edward: Almond Joy is a layer of Almond Joy Cake with Malted Chocolate Mousse & Banana Coconut Purée
Chris J: Homemade Cracker Jack, Cherries and Peanut Butter Ice Cream.

Tom asked "where is the coconut?" on the Almond Joy dessert. Padma said the only thing wrong with Edward's dessert is that they called it Almond Joy.

After the guys are done serving, Chris Jones says in the kitchen "This is what we always do: prep, service, kick ass and go home."

The women note after they've eaten that they're going to have to work together, and really bring it all out tomorrow night, as they realize they've got a lot of work ahead of them. Sarah said she's going to put her blood, sweat and tears into the work tomorrow. Grayson agrees that they'll have to fight, and Lindsey said they'll have to trust each other.

Paul notes that the salmon was underseasoned - and while it was a joint effort between Paul & Ty-Lor, since Paul was expediting, Ty-Lor was responsible for seasoning. Everyone realizes they didn't hit the mark on their restaurant.

They rehash it out when they get back to the Driskill and Edward said that the guys can only hope that the girls start fighting with each other and fall apart during their service.

OK, it's time for the women to take over. Lindsey starts setting up the dining room while the Grayson, Sarah and Beverly start prepping the food. Sarah starts in on Grayson about prepping her dessert when they should be working on other earlier dishes. Lindsey gives a brief overview of her dish to Beverly, who will be responsible for getting it on the plate while Lindsey is out front.

Diners arrive, and Sarah gives Beverly shit for not getting her the olives she had asked for earlier. Beverly's busy trying to get plates out, and Sarah gives a Mom-like tone, treating Beverly like a child. The judges arrive, and Lindsey isn't there to greet them. She's in the kitchen, telling Beverly what to do with her dish. She finally comes out, and realizes they're irritated by being asked to wait.

The guys team show up, and yet again, Lindsey isn't there to greet them. The judges note that there's a large group of people waiting at the hostess stand and they've been there awhile. Meanwhile, Lindsey is being told by a diner that the halibut was overcooked on his dish. She tells Beverly she doesn't want the fish overcooked. Meanwhile, the crowd at the door is even larger. And the judges are getting hungry. FINALLY they get their appetizers.

Grayson: Peach and Arugula Salad with Pickled Shallots, Bacon Vinaigrette and Candied Pistachios.
Sarah: Mozzarella-filled Aranchino with Sweet & Sour Eggplant & Celery Salad.

Both appetizers got very good reviews from the diners and the judges and the guys.

The entrees are delayed as well, so the waitress tells Padma and the judges that she'll speak to Lindsey. Lots of F words being thrown by Lindsey, and Sarah starts bitching at Lindsey, saying *she'll* go out front and tell them why it's delayed. Meanwhile, Grayson is hollering at them "Stop! Stop!" Really girls - just plate the food and get it out there!

Finally the judges get their entrees.

Beverly: Braised Short Ribs with Thai Basil Potato Purée, Apple Slaw and Kimchi
Lindsay: Grilled Halibut over Fingerling Potatoes with Spanish Chorizo, and Fennel & Sherry Salad

The short rib dish was very well received by the judges.

Grayson's been wasting dessert because they're not being taken when they're ready to be served. Lindsey gets bitchy with Grayson, saying she's got to talk to people, and Grayson's getting tired of her attitude. Finally, desserts are brought to the judges:

Grayson: Schaum Torte with Vanilla Meringue & Champagne Berries
Sarah: Hazelnut Cream Italian Doughnuts with Banana Sugar Glaze

Sarah's doughnuts were heavy and not enough banana for Tom, but Grayson's dessert was well liked by Tom - in fact, when he said he wanted a spoon, Padma passes her over so he can get the liquid from the macerated berries.

When Lindsey goes back into the kitchen, she says her dish (halibut) is the worst, so she's mad she wasn't back there in the kitchen. Grayson tells Lindsey that it wasn't Beverly overcooking; that it was probably the wrong cooking procedure. OUCH! Beverly didn't *want* to cook the halibut the way Lindsey said, but she did it anyway as it was *her* dish. Grayson seems to have agreed with Beverly on the cooking method being a problem.

The judges say that the better food was at Half Bushel, but the service was better at Canteen, and that it'll be a tough call as to which team will win Restaurant Wars.

They're all back in the Stew Room, and each the women are bitching at each other, but mostly at Beverly. Padma comes in and asks to see the ladies. Padma asks Lindsey about the FOH and that they noted the buildup to be seated, and Lindsey blames it on a pileup in the kitchen. The rest of the women don't look pleased with that comment. And they've WON! Despite being a mess in the kitchen. Tom acknowledges how hard it was to open a restaurant in just 2 days. They discuss the various dishes, with compliments to Grayson, Beverly, and Sarah, but Lindsey's halibut dish was overcooked. And Beverly wins the top dish of RW - she gets a 3-liter bottle of Episode wine from Terlato Vineyards, and a 3-day/2-night trip to tour their vineyards.

Padma asks that the guys from Canteen at JT. Sarah tells Lindsey that they would not be there if it weren't for Lindsey, and that she deserves as much praise as anyone else. Meanwhile, Beverly and Grayson are smirking behind their hands at what Sarah's saying.

The guys are in front of the judges. Hugh said that they didn't get a "wow" factor on the food. Padma noted that the Top Chef app also noted that the diners also thought that Canteen wasn't the best restaurant either, based on the scores.

Tom asked Chris why he did so little as compared to what Paul did. Chris said he wanted to help out but Tom said he should have done more than just help out. Tom also asked Edward where the coconut was on the Almond Joy - Edward replies it was the powdered stuff. Not good enough, says Tom.

The judges review all of the guy's dishes. Ty-Lor's dishes were very underseasoned, and while it seems like Chris J. is going home based on the editing, I don't think so. (Well, I actually saw the end of the show during the original airing, so I *know* who is told to PYKAG.)

And we're back. Tom reviews all of the guys' dishes, and Padma tells Ty-Lor it's his turn to leave. So he gets to face Nyesha in LCK. And he's very gracious in his farewell in the Stew Room.

Preview for next week - it's Charlize Theron - and OH YAY! My boyfriend, Eric Ripert is there too! Woo hoo!

For LCK: their challenge is to cook a pastry in 30 minutes ... and they get to choose a sous chef from one of the other LCKers! Nyesha notes she has wanted to go up against 2 chefs: Heather and Ty-Lor, as they were the two that made her most uncomfortable and were very rude to her.

Nyesha picks Heather (just to stick it to Ty-Lor), and Ty-Lor picks Malibu Chris. Nyesha goes with a coconut-lime tart, and Ty-Lor wants a chocolate mousse mascarpone with a vanilla-black pepper sauce...the first batch burns. But another batch is made, Heather and Nyesha are working well together, and plating of both dishes goes down to the wire, but they both get done.

Tom liked BOTH desserts, saying they were restaurant-ready. He was very impressed. And he makes his choice.

And I'm done. SO SORRY for the screw-up - I really hope it's resolved by next week!

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  1. Do the ladies have an advantage by going the second day? More time to workout any issues?

    Sorry to hear about the FIOS issues.

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    1. re: Withnail42

      I think they did because they had less rest. had to make a difference.

      1. re: AMFM

        In addition to the rest, the ladies also had the opportunity to see what they were up against and learn from the guys' mistakes. And they had more time to plan.

        1. re: Miss Needle

          It seemed so IMO. They definitely had the advantage.

      2. re: Withnail42

        It seemed like a very unfair advantage.

        1. re: chowser

          The down side of going second is having to listen to the guys talk about what a nightmare it was...definitely could get yourself freaked out listening to them.

          1. re: mountaincachers

            There are definitely downsides to going second but I think the upsides are so much better, from having extra time to think and plan out, to having more rest, to seeing how the other team did and what could/couldn't be improved especially in this case w/ the kitchen being open--they could see the issues w/ the expediting, up close.

            1. re: chowser

              Yes - which was probably why they closed off the kitchen... Imagine the judges seeing all that screaming and arm-waving going on, and Lindsay spending so much time arranging and fixing plates and arguing back at the others in the kitchen rather than being out in the front...

              1. re: huiray

                Re Lindsay, and dropping F Bombs. What happened to our Southern Belle?

                1. re: JAB

                  Yeah I think Andy Cohen said on Watch What Happens that she said it 12 times in a very short time frame. :-)

                  1. re: LindaWhit

                    I don't think I can ever watch that stupid show again. I taped it thinking it was going to be interesting talking about the dynamics of the kitchen, front of house, did the right person go home, etc. But you've got ridiculous questions being asked of Rosie and Hugh, constant unibrow talk, and Andy's freakily twitching eye. He's obnoxious and I'm surprised he's being considered to replace Regis. Not that I watch Regis and Kelly but Andy would be the ultimate turnoff.

                    1. re: Joanie

                      I have watched that show when TC people were appearing and every time I come away from it thnking "That's it"? They could have done so much more with the show". I think the problem is that Andy Cohen thinks people tune in to watch HIM and are not nterested in what his guests hame to say. They waste so much time doing nothing that we never learn anything and are not entertained while nothing is happening.

                      1. re: John E.

                        And isn't it supposed to be on 5 nites a week now? More like "Watch the most trivial stuff happening with doofus Andy Cohen". Plus with Tylor standing behind that bar, it's embarrassing all around.

                        1. re: Joanie

                          5 nights a week started this week...I think Wednesday night was the first Wednesday for the new week-long format.

                          1. re: Joanie

                            I DVR'd it thinking it would be worth watching. A waste of 2% of my DVR memory.

                        2. re: Joanie

                          The unibrow thing was annoying. Hugh was a good sport about it, but really, it went way too far.

                          1. re: Joanie

                            Yeah, it was the 2nd time I watched (saw something several seasons back, I think) and I was like "REALLY? This is an "It's all about Andy" show." Don't need to watch to puff up his already inflated ego any more than it is.

                    2. re: chowser

                      Agreed. Going second seemed an incredible advantage to me. An extra 24 hours to plan? That's huge. As is the rest factor.

                      1. re: debbiel

                        Except it's still just one quick shopping trip and the same amount of prep/cook time, that helps minimize the advantage. I do see it as an advantage, but no bigger than some of the other advantages that get handed out during the course of the show.

                        1. re: LurkerDan

                          But they can use their one quick shopping time and cooking time more effectively because they have additional time to plan. That does seem quite huge to me.

                          ETA: Though I'm not sure they took full advantage. Their menu didn't seem particularly cohesive or interesting to me.

                          1. re: LurkerDan

                            Shopping early also has the disadvantage of food sitting in the fridge for an extra day. Not a big deal for most ingredients, but not so nice for fresh seafood.

                  2. re: Withnail42

                    Absodamnlutely although, it was a coin flip as to which team got the advantage. Haven't they been simultaneous on previous seasons?

                    1. re: JAB

                      yes. in past RWs they just divide the space in half & compete head-to-head....a much more fair and balanced setup IMO.

                  3. Sorry everyone - I'm completely frozen - and Verizon isn't giving me an option to actually speak with anyone on the phone to get this fixed. I'm trying a Live chat, but of course, no one has gotten on yet to help me.

                    Someone else is going to have to pick up the recap. I'm seriously BEYOND PISSED OFF right now!

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                    1. re: LindaWhit

                      Just tell us who's office building to TP and we'll ALL be there!

                    2. I'm working again, but not sure I have this On Demand to be able to recap because I can't use the remote .... and the DVR portion is ONLY the first 26 minutes. I'm sorry. REALLY sorry.

                      Angry. Really really Angry.

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                      1. re: LindaWhit

                        No excuses Linda!! You should have multiple tv's each with a different cable provider just in case something like this happens. I'm very disappointed in you.

                        Seriously, don't apologize...everyone will chip in with the details that you missed.

                      2. It really doesn't feel right commenting until the recap is complete but it's bedtime and it's fresh in my head. Quick off the cuff thoughts:
                        Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy.
                        Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far.
                        Sarah's thinking that Lindsay deserved the win as much as Beverly was probably the worst judgement call in the history of the show. She almost lost the challenge for you, you idiot! More on Sarah in a sentence or two.
                        Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing.
                        I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook.
                        Lindsay is in the same league as Chris.
                        I still think Ed can go far and....
                        Back to Sarah. Did anyone notice Heather tag Sarah ala wrestling on her way out the door? She's a very good cook but boy am I rooting against her.

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                        1. re: bobbert

                          "Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy"
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                          Agreed. His record in challenges is strong, but not overwhelming. But the other chefs - perhaps even the judges - seem to look to him as the one to beat. Also, keep in mind that he made 3 of his team's dishes - basically half their food - AND expedited this challenge.

                          "Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far."
                          _________
                          Beverly seems like a pretty good cook, but maybe not a very skilled chef. Luckily for her, the competition tests the former skill set much more than the latter. She may be slow and scattered, she may not win the respect of her peers, she may not be commanding... but her food seems to taste good, and at the end of the day, that's what matters on Top Chef.

                          "I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook."
                          __________
                          She's the most likable female chef still on the show by a long shot. But I still don't have a really good sense of her food.

                          "Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing."
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                          Nah... Moto Chris has a lot of fight left in him. Keep chasing that roadrunner, Chris. You'll get im someday. Just open up another crate of Acme-brand liquid nitrogen and get scheming on next week's challenge.

                          1. re: cowboyardee

                            That's a good assessment of Beverly. I also don't think she's a team player and can handle many tasks at once, like say Paul who did many dishes and tried to jump into expediting. There's something awkward about her movements, like she's apologetic for taking up space. Sarah's treatment of her was terrible and Lindsay couldn't be more condescending to her and everyone else, really. I'm liking Grayson as a person, like that she stands up for what she believes but she's yet to blow me away.

                            LOL, you're right, Moto Chris is like Wile E Coyote. He still likes ideas for the sake of ideas. I don't know if he realizes this is a cooking competition, not chem class.

                            1. re: chowser

                              I thought that Bev blew up rather inappropriately when Sarah (I think) asked her whether she'd done something yet-- saying something like "If you wanted it done you should have done it yourself". She seemed really thin-skinned in this episode, seeing slights that probably weren't there.

                              1. re: DGresh

                                I think that was Sarah asking Bev to fetch her olives from the walk-in. Bev might have been in the weeds trying to pull both entrees together, or maybe she just didn't feel like playing fetch for Sarah.

                                Now, it's customary to expect small favors like that of co-workers. But Sarah had previously made a condescending comment to Beverly about making sure to be set up on time, and then wasn't set up herself. Maybe if she hadn't wasted so much time peering over Bev's shoulder and criticizing, she would have been set up.

                            2. re: cowboyardee

                              I was really hoping Moto Chris was going home, once the guys team lost. He did so very, very little in that challenge. I was actually pretty surprised.

                              1. re: debbiel

                                Me too. I am indifferent to Ty-Lor, but was ready to see Moto Chris get kicked to the curb. He not only did little on this challenge, he has done little the entire competition.

                                1. re: centralpadiner

                                  Don't forget Ugly Chris did make under-seasoned, unremarkable beer can chicken. Something done in backyards all across America on Sunday afternoons in the summer.

                                  1. re: John E.

                                    Top Backyard BBQ with an Ice Chest Full of Bud Dude

                                    I hate that we're this far along in the season, and I'm not enthusiastically rooting for anyone. Sure, I want Paul to win, but only in the way that I usually support most political candidates (at least you're not _____ ).

                                    1. re: debbiel

                                      I feel the same way. I wondered if it's the personalities of the chefs, the editing, or the challenges. I have concluded that it's the elimination challenges that are making this season less compelling. Maybe some of the Quick Fires have also contributed to my not enjoying this season as much too. The QF in the cornfield was the worst that I remember.

                                      Not counting restaurant wars (there has to be this EC) I think there have been far too many team challenges this year and too many gimmicks. I thought TC 7 was weak at the time but it was much more compelling than is this season.

                                      1. re: John E.

                                        Yes-There have been way too many team challenges! And too many of what seem like "Hey, we're in Texas!" challenges. I still don't think I really know what most of these chefs can do.

                                        I think it's probably a combination of editing (too much focus on conflicts), the challenges, and the chefs. A perfect storm for Top Chef disappointment.

                                        1. re: debbiel

                                          I agree. There have been too many challenges where they basically told them what to cook: Mexican, chili, BBQ, steak.

                                          1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                            I've been hoping they'd shoot a future season in my city (Philadelphia). But now I'm afraid we'd have team cheesesteak, soft pretzel and hoagie challenges.

                                            1. re: gaffk

                                              Not to mention a 'cheesecake' competition. They'd make them run up the steps at the Museum of Art and do a QF at the top.

                                              1. re: John E.

                                                And now I'm having really horrible images of a "Jersey Shore" themed episode.... **shudder**

                                                PA has so much to offer, I'd love to see them here, but challenges have gotten trite ever since Leanne left, IMO

                                                1. re: John E.

                                                  I like it. Film in August when it's 95 degrees with 100% humidity and make them cook whole sides of beef when they get to the top.

                                            2. re: debbiel

                                              I really wish the producers would troll the internet boards and take the fan's input into consideration.

                                              Wouldn't it be great if the chefs were put in an environment where they could produce dishes to the best of their ability? It seems like every season is more Survivor like. I want to get to know the chefs and their food, not watch them crash & burn. I really hate all the team challenges, and like others I'm liking the Last Chance Kitchen format more & more.

                                              I like Restaurant Wars, but I really feel like they shouldn't have to work FOH. They should be kept in the kitchen & a pecking order should be established by the team.

                                              I'm also sick of the cliched challenges for each city. Come on, the people watching Top Chef obviously know food and want more from each episode. If they keep dumbing it down, they are going to lose a big fan base.

                                              1. re: debbiel

                                                Also, I don't know if it's because of LCK or what but the judging is really...

                                                Tom: "It lacks seasoning."
                                                Emeril: "Yeah, seasoning is key."
                                                Gail: "And the texture was off."
                                                Hugh: "Yeah. Not good."

                                                The descriptions of the dishes served are so targeted and rich in detail, it's like I'm right there with them.

                                            3. re: debbiel

                                              I agree 100% with you Debbie. I want Paul to win, but mostly because there's really no one else I'm rooting for.

                                    2. re: bobbert

                                      the producers are 'milking' (from a lactating ma no less) every bit of melodrama from the badgering or belittling of Beverly they choose to overexpose -- at this point it's like low content filler or cheap titillation. to Grayson's credit, she was the only teammate who seemed pleased at Beverly's triumph.

                                      from a logistical standpoint, is it really a smart choice for the front of house chef to choose an entree to present, particularly one so sensitive to temperature and cooking time as fish ? why invite more complications by expecting a competitor who is also preparing a main course to prep a second ? the women who did two courses managed to avoid doing consecutive courses by avoiding the entree, so intentionally or not they suppressed Lindsay's chances for excelling. as an exec chef working under a super-entrepreneurial chef, Lindsay might be far away from the pan-to-the-fire daily crucible of a line cook ; her main task is probably keeping things up to Bernstein's satisfaction, and managing others. she's shown a tendency to over-intervene, which led to the steaks getting euthanized in the cattle baron's bacchanal, but nothing special in terms of cooking skills.

                                      1. re: moto

                                        I thought Lindsay made a poor choice of entree, also. I also think that she spent way too much time in the back, fussing at everyone. And really, she didn't think much of Bev, but she was relying on Bev to get her food out? That seemed like her second mistake.

                                        1. re: jeanmarieok

                                          Lindsay Autry was so conspicuously missing from the FOH and for such extended periods that I thought they might as well have just told the servers to just go grab diners, judges and all, and dump them at tables and chuck the food at them while she stayed in the kitchen.

                                          1. re: jeanmarieok

                                            Lindsay was a PITA being in the kitchen so often. I really thought that was going to be a major ding against the women.

                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                              If Lindsay wasn't busting people's butts in the kitchen, would the food be even slower in coming out? Would her fish be even more overcooked if she didn't go back and raise hell? I'm not a fan of Lindsay and see no relevance in her informing us that she was the prom queen. Made me think she went to a school of ugly kids.

                                          2. re: moto

                                            It was definitely a poor choice of entree. It is a stupid position to be put in, though. It's puts quite a limitation on the possible dishes for the FOH person. They just really, really, really need to drop the FOH role for the cheftestants. It's ridiculous. Always has been. They end up having to judge the FOH person on a different set of skills than they judge the others.

                                            1. re: moto

                                              yeah i was shaking my head, wondering why lindsay didn't do a dessert, or even a soup or something, that would not have relied so much on execution.

                                              on the men's team, ed understood this choice and made a dessert that someone was just able to plate and go.

                                              1. re: moto

                                                Fish seems like the absolute worst thing to put in someone else's hands.

                                              2. re: bobbert

                                                So there with you.

                                                Lindsay and Beverly and Chris are not long for the show. They have gone just as far as their abilities (and luck) can carry them.

                                                Ultimately I think it will be between Grayson and Paul ... and Nyesha. Sara is good at what she does, but she's totally limited to the Italian cooking she does with Tony Maturano at Spiaggia. Plus she's getting on my nerves. But then so is Ed.

                                                1. re: chicgail

                                                  Mantuano. ;-)

                                                  But yes, Sarah Grueneberg doesn't seem very varied in her cooking. (Heh - yet folks complain about Beverly Kim)

                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                    Thanks. I always have to look the spelling and I didn't that time.

                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                      I wonder how much of Spiaggia's food is due to Sarah G.

                                                  2. re: chicgail

                                                    Sarah is seeming pretty limited at this point. Right down to sending out two dishes of little spheres last night.

                                                    I think Paul and Nyesha are on top (I'm just going to pretend that she's still there), followed by Ed and Grayson (not sure what order I put them in), then Sarah (ahead of others because I think she may have more technical skill), then Bev, Lindsay, Moto bringing up the rear.

                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                      I think Grayson is more or less a hack. She's gotten this far because the other contestants are just as mediocre, with the exception of Paul and Nyesha. I think those two will be in the finals.

                                                      1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                        the judges were really pleased with both of Grayson's dishes last night. in fact, i was almost surprised when they gave the win to Beverly instead of her.

                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                          color me surprised as well. and grayson is a cia grad and has quite a resume, for a "hack"... :(

                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                            Me, too, though I suspected it could have been either of the two. I hope the last three standing are Paul, Grayson and Nyesha. Especially Nyesha. But I <3 Grayson.

                                                      2. re: bobbert

                                                        "Beverly is a space cadet, she's getting unfairly picked on but she is good enough that she can make it pretty far."

                                                        --

                                                        People complain in these group events that Beverly is too slow, she's scattered, etc.  But that's really criticism of her scattered air and the mouse-like personality she projects, because her food planning & execution work.  In maybe one group cook-off, the BBQ one, her stuff wasn't good.  In the rest, her food either anchored her team's success (e.g. her entree in Restaurant Wars) or was the only thing that didn't suck (e.g. her shrimp in Quincinera).  Whatever people might say when they are attacking her, she focuses on doing good food when other teams/people melt down around her.

                                                        ------------

                                                        "Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy."

                                                        --

                                                        Yeah, he didn't show it.  He can be dogged and determined, but it didn't work for him last night.  None of his shit worked last night.

                                                        ------------

                                                        "Sarah's thinking that Lindsay deserved the win as much as Beverly was probably the worst judgement call in the history of the show. She almost lost the challenge for you, you idiot! More on Sarah in a sentence or two...  Back to Sarah. Did anyone notice Heather tag Sarah ala wrestling on her way out the door? She's a very good cook but boy am I rooting against her."

                                                        --

                                                        Yeah, there seems to be a bit of a conspiratorial dynamic between Sarah, Ty Lor & Heather.  For whatever reason, Nyesha and Beverly were singled out for negative attention and undermining.  Sarah really went out of her way to start up and keep going a running negative verbal attacks game vs. Beverly this episode during menu planning & shopping.  She was also egging on Lindsay, who was having a self-induced meltdown and could have made them lose with her airheaded princess tantrums.  (I'm also referring to Last Chance Kitchen material in this para)

                                                        ------------

                                                        "I'm loving Grayson. She can cook. She has her shit together. She won't take crap from anyone and again, she can cook."

                                                        --

                                                        This season seems to focus a lot on personality issues and clashes.  If we were to pick Miss Congeniality, I like Grayson.  I love that she has her shit together, is genuinely nice, and doesn't fall in with dysfunctional bullshit going on around her, while cooking good food and having fun.

                                                        ------------

                                                        "Moto Chris has gone about as far as someone can go while producing nothing."

                                                        "Lindsay is in the same league as Chris."

                                                        --

                                                        There's not much room left for people to fly under the radar.  Maybe one more episode and there's no room left to hide.

                                                        ------------

                                                        "I still think Ed can go far and...."

                                                        --

                                                        He's a disciplined machine.  In the qualifying rounds, when he was on the "bubble", he said if they left him in the waiting room with the other chefs on the bubble much longer, he'd kill them off to get into Top Chef.   That kind of stuck with me.   Ed is Beverly's alter-ego.  You could meld both of those shorties both together and get an emotionally complete, 6 foot tall Pan-Asian super-chef. 

                                                        1. re: AsperGirl

                                                          I agree with most of the comments, except Lindsey. She's been flying under the radar in a good way: she's been consistently good. She's won a quickfire, been on winning teams, and she hasn't up for individual elimination since the first episode. I think she's much stronger than she's been shown to be.

                                                          1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                            Wasn't that quickfire win for vienna sausages & saltines? I can't think of anything else she's made, although having prom queen on her resume is impressive.

                                                            1. re: californiabeerandpizza

                                                              although having prom queen on her resume is impressive.
                                                              ~~~~~~~~~
                                                              LOL! yeah, i thought that comment was pretty damn funny. prom queen's got quite a mouth on her.

                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                I wonder if it was her idea to put the prom queen, top-of-her-class stuff or the producers. My bet is that stuff was in the bio information she submitted and the producers elicited the response that we saw.

                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                  but who - aside from beauty pageant contestants - mentions in their bio or a professional application that they were prom queen? it's just silly.

                                                                2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                  I loved Hugh's observation that from prom queen with fake English accent to down south hard on the accent.

                                                              2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                You're right that she's done well on teams so far, I didn't really think about that. I agree with comments others have made where it's hard to tell where some of the chefs are at, because the challenges haven't really brought them out with all Texas style food & teaming where the food has to be consistent.

                                                              3. re: AsperGirl

                                                                Bee trucks in and does her part without regard to what else is going on. Compare that to Paul who did multiple parts and jumped in to help expedite when things didn't go well. It is a risk but it's what a team player and a chef does. IRL, if you go to a restaurant and everything sucks but the shrimp, you don't go back. If this were Chopped, Beverly would be better suited.

                                                                Bee is Beverly, stupid autocorrect.

                                                                1. re: chowser

                                                                  Yeah Paul was definitely working hard & trying to win. He put himself out there.

                                                                  Seems to me the waiters really screwed up at the start of night one, & got the guys into the weeds, and the guys never pulled out of that.

                                                                  The girls' team didn't have that problem with their wait staff (same waiters?) on night two, so they had an easier time than Paul, et al, had, by going second

                                                              4. re: bobbert

                                                                I know ha, Sarah was definitely channeling Heather.

                                                                1. re: bobbert

                                                                  Paul is the best chef. He didn't necessarily show it tonight but in two straight challenges the other chefs deferred to him - even they know he's the guy.
                                                                  ~~~~~~~~
                                                                  as does Tom, who made it quite clear he was expecting Paul to blow them away with his food.

                                                                2. BEVERLY

                                                                  Good freaking grief .....

                                                                  I hope she wins or stars in a bullying video.

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                                                                  1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                    Ditto!

                                                                    I thought Grayson was going to win it, but I'm glad it was Beverly.

                                                                    Also thought Chris J was going home, but wrong again. Not sad to see Ty-Lor go. he rubbed me the wrong way.

                                                                    1. re: ChefJune

                                                                      Ty Lor had botched efforts on several episodes, but he definitely didn't rub me the wrong way. Editing always makes it difficult to judge someone's behavior, but I thought he was very gracious when Sarah had her whole overheating/ER episode. He seemed like a team player and a nice guy from what I saw.
                                                                      Beverly doesn't seem much like a team player. It seems like she worries about her one dish and that's it. Yes, she has been bullied by other chefs, and it's hard to tell which came first. It surprised me that the judges didn't seem to mind that she was the one overcooking the fish, even if her own dish was delicious. Lindsay better be glad the women won, as there is no doubt she would have been the one going home.

                                                                      1. re: mountaincachers

                                                                        Well, the judges weren't looking for someone to send home from the ladies' team, so the overcooked fish wasn't a big deal -- everyone said the short ribs were the best thing they'd eaten in a while.

                                                                        (Funny moment when ChrisJ was chowing down at Half Bushel and saying how great the food was, and his team all looked at him funny. Hello! You're on camera!)

                                                                        Part of me was glad the ladies won so we didn't have to see the catfights that would have certainly happened if they'd lost and everyone started piling on Bev.

                                                                        And no, Sara, Lindsay was in no way responsible for the success of that team. She would have been sent home if the guys had put out good food.

                                                                        1. re: momjamin

                                                                          I thought both teams were complimentary of the other, when dining. No real trash talking that I noticed.

                                                                          1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                            i was struck that the women dressed up for dinner at the men's restaurant, but the following night, chris jones was the only one of the dudes to bother putting on a jacket for the womens' restaurant. the implied respect/disrespect....

                                                                            1. re: soupkitten

                                                                              I doubt if there was any respect/disrepect involved at all. I believe it is more likely they did not bring a jacket.

                                                                              Edit...Ed had a jacket when he was FOH. I still don't think it was out of disrespect that the other guys did not dress up more. It bugs me to see men where hats inside restaurants, or any other place indoors for that matter short of a sports arena but I think that's mostly out of ignorance not always disrespect.

                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                well, we know ed did, he was wearing a suit to work foh at "canteen" the day before... i think it's a safe assumption, on top chef, to think that at some point you may find yourself dining in a very nice restaurant, le bernedin for example. if nyesha had the brains to pack a bikini i'm not buying that the dudes didn't think (or have prompting) to bring a dinner jacket, or heck, a plain button-down shirt, even.

                                                                                1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                  What is funny about this exchange of posts is that I was reading Acheson's blog when I realized my mistake. I did the edit before I read your post. I would not doubt if some of them did not bring a jacket, but again, I don't think disrespect was intended, especially if you listened to their comments about the women's food.

                                                                              2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                I'm not sure of the respect / disrespect but, I did make note of this was well.

                                                                                1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                  The women were in light, summery evening clothes. It was over 100 degrees in Austin ALL summer. I don't think the men showed disrespect by not wearing a jacket -- more likely good sense!

                                                                                  1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                    i was thinking about that too. Ed was wearing an oxford shirt *and* a jacket for their service - he must have been sweating bullets under there so the jacket wouldn't even have been clean for him to wear again the next night...and i doubt the guys packed multiple jackets/blazers for 100-plus degree Texas weather. were the male judges even wearing them?

                                                                                    1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                      hold on... the guys wouldn't wear a jacket or long sleeved cotton shirt.... because professional chefs have never been in 100 degree plus heat, wearing a COAT?!? LMAO--alrighty then!

                                                                                      well, if the dudes had just worn a nice ed hardy t-shirt -- then maybe it would not have appeared to be such a professional diss on the women.

                                                                                      (that ^ is a chowhound new orleans-board lurker joke) hahaha :-P

                                                                                      but i am thinking of many impoverished line cooks that keep one nice button-down shirt and pants pressed between their mattress and box spring, for 1) funerals and for 2) showing respect when visiting their colleagues/friends' restaurants. most chefs are not oblivious to class difference and have no desire to be the a-hole wearing flip-flops and a wifebeater, getting looked down upon by the restaurant's patrons and embarrassing their friends who work there. perhaps there is regional difference in play, i am aware of the distinction of "jeans" and "dress jeans" that is unique to texas....

                                                                                      1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                        Do you believe the male contestants purposely dressed like slobs to show disrespect for their female competitors? If not, then why so much angst on the subject?

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          well, yeah i do.

                                                                                          i might be more inclined to give the men the benefit of the doubt if 1) the women had served on the first night, and had not obviously dressed up specifically to go to dinner at the men's restaurant or 2) there was any indication that the men had anything to do all day before going to dinner at the womens' restaurant besides sit around bullshitting, drinking beer and talking about star trek.

                                                                                          for the record, i would also think it would be disrespectful if a musician dressed shabbily to go to a fellow musician's recital, or an artist dressed down to attend a friend's art opening-- and that a higher standard is in play in these instances, than with the wardrobe choices of joe blow off the street. also, individuality is fine, boho, quirky, retro, whatever-- but some effort is required. an individual should enhance the experience at a colleague's opening/debut/etc, not detract from it, or show the profession in an unflattering light to the wider public by dressing in a slovenly manner, while others are dressed up... unless they are making a conscious statement about the quality of experience they are anticipating...

                                                                                          1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                            I do not disagree that the appropriate clothing is important when going to a recital, art opening, or even a fancy restaurant opening night. I just do not believe that these three guys intentionally dressed the way they did as an intentional sign of disrespect to their fellow contestants. It's a reality TV show after all, not a real restaurant opening. I also cannot believe that anyone would believe that given their comments about the food.

                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                              re: the men and whether they intentionally dressed down: I actually thought the women were a bit overdressed given the intended casual nature of the restaurant, though, of course, they probably or possibly didn't know it was casual going in. Regardless, I see two possible reasons why the men dressed as they did: 1.) having been to their own opening the night before, they were aware that patrons didn't dress up that much (indeed, the girls dressed up as much or more as the judges, IIRC), and 2.) they are men. Remember that it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness....

                                                                                              1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                Remember that it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness....
                                                                                                ~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                ^^^ That. :-)

                                                                                                1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                  But it 's not like these chefs haven't (a) seen this show already and (b) see how Tom, Padma, et al dress for every challenge. They could have taken their cues from that.

                                                                                                  Granted, they have never had to dress for Restaurant Wars in seasons past because they were done simultaneously, but they should have a general clue of what's acceptable and not acceptable to wear in this circumstance.

                                                                                                  1. re: Manassas64

                                                                                                    I don't think the men dressed any more slobbily in this episode than the men did in past seasons when teams went to dine at their opposing team's meals together with the judges, or dismissed cheftestants dining at the restaurants of the finalists. Except maybe that chap, what's his name - Ah, Stephen Asprinio. The women usually wore their jewels except (I think) the avowed lesbians who dressed casually, IIRC. (Please, I am *not* making any political statement here)

                                                                                                    1. re: huiray

                                                                                                      I don't know about you guys, but have you looked around at the other diners in the restaurants you go to in the U.S.??? Clueless works for me.

                                                                                                  2. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                    "it is almost always a mistake to ascribe to malevolent intent that which can be attributed to simple cluelessness...."

                                                                                                    susancinsf - great line. i'm going to have to steal that.

                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                        yes, I take no credit for the line. Though hubby, who is always reminding me of the truth therein, claims that he invented it. I should have known he found it on the internet! :-)

                                                                                                        1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                          Good line--I'm going to steal it myself.:-)

                                                                                                      2. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                        then why *did* chris j dress up respectfully? to enjoy the weather in his blue blazer? his very conscious wardrobe/appearance choices were kind of a striking departure from his normal choices, no? i may be annoyed that chris j. is still around (based on his food, not his inherent entertainment value, which is actually up quite a few points), but he at least seems to have picked up the bone-basic industry etiquette... i just don't buy that the others are ignorant hillbillies because they happen to be males. it's like if they were tipping 10% at a nice restaurant... sure some people tip 10% because they are clueless, but these guys? people would call them out, because they should know better, they are in the industry.

                                                                                                        chris jones also commented favorably on the women's food, and was shushed by his tablemates. it really seemed to me like he was there to be fair and gracious and in the experience, and the other guys were trying to leverage some sort of game-play out, such as none of them being on record/camera complimenting the women's food, or anything else about the experience.

                                                                                                        again i know i probably sound like i am being very argumentative just for the sake of it, but this is very striking to me, just as i would be struck by bad dress/bad behavior/disruption in the recital/art opening examples. people don't need to feel like they need to "prove" to me that all men are ignorant/clueless, etc-- i know too many examples to the contrary, and i do know that this is hyperbole/funnin', anyway. i initially just wanted to point out this detail as a *detail* for folks who might be interested, and then i felt compelled to clarify my thoughts when several folks responded. it's not the most important thing about the episode, by a long shot. it will be interesting to see if the remaining men ever break out more formal threads at any point in the competition. i'll be watching for it :)

                                                                                                        1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                          But they were casual restaurants! Not sure where you are from, but both in Texas, where I have lived, and in California, where I live now, the way the guys were dressed would be perfectly appropriate for those types of restaurants. Indeed, in San Francisco, the way they were dressed wouldn't even rate a second glance from patrons in all but a very few places. And when I say a few: I mean that very literally.

                                                                                                          I've seen lots of people dressed that way at the symphony in San Francisco, for that matter.

                                                                                                          I didn't mean to imply they were ignorant hillbillies. Despite my teasing use of the word 'cluelessness', which was more to be able to make a point with the cute line than anything else, I personally thought there was nothing disrespectful about the way they were dressed, and think it was actually appropriate to the style of the restaurant.

                                                                                                          No idea why Chris dressed the way he did (though if I had to guess, I'd guess that he was dressing more for the camera than for the girls. Indeed, thinking about it, I think the girls were dressing for the camera, not for the boys. Consider how nicely made up a few of them look for the confessionals. Yep, that makes much more sense to me: they wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to get out of the heat of the kitchen to show the cameras and those of us at home that they could look very nice.

                                                                                                          As for breaking out more formal threads, other than Chris, who packed a blazer, I'd bet they didn't even bring them.

                                                                                                          1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                                            again, i don't want my observation about professional courtesy to take over the thread, but it seems like you might be missing my point. pro chef/cook/hospitality types don't dress or act like joe q. public when they visit each others' restaurants. they tend to dress and act better than mr. or ms. "average customer" in order to show professional respect-- and/because, they would hope to reap this respect back, when their colleagues in turn visit their own establishment. in general, hospitality types dining out tend to order more, tip better, be more polite, don't make egregious faux pas (slap their server on the butt, etc)-- in comparison to other customers :) this attitude hasn't really changed, among restaurant folks, performers/musicians/artists, for hundreds of years.

                                                                                                            if a conductor, music director and a few first chairs of the chicago symphony were to attend a cleveland orchestra concert, i guarantee that they won't wear yoga pants or flip flops or board shorts, and they won't whistle, applaud between movements, or yell "bravo" at a female soloist, regardless of the comportment of the crowd around them.

                                                                                                            now, if you are really telling me that hospitality and arts people in texas & california don't dress nicely or act with professional courtesy when they visit each others' performances or exhibits or openings, then it is not what i have experienced and understand to be true, and i would really have to disagree. in any case paul is the only contestant who would be able to use the regional informal/slob excuse, if that is indeed in play.

                                                                                                            1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                              I believe you are taking the clothing of the male contestants way too seriously. It's a reality TV series for crying outloud, it is not reality.

                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                sorry John, but you were actually the one who asked me to clarify my observation, which was originally a very simple one re: the women dressing up, the men dressing down. i was not the only person to make the observation. if you hadn't asked, i would never have expanded on my 3-line post above.

                                                                                                                if folks want to think that there is no etiquette or code of expected behavior amongst hospitality workers (or any profession), that's okay. it doesn't really matter except for the folks who pay attention to such things.

                                                                                                                as to what is important and what is real, we will have to agree to disagree. you seem to think that a little gallery opening in poughkeepsie, attended by a few dozen folks, is an event, and that a television episode watched across a whole country, is a non-event. i think that this is a very real moment in all of these folks' careers, and that they are being watched and judged and there will be real effects. i wonder how many top chef alumni would say the show hadn't affected the course of their careers, for better or worse.

                                                                                                2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                  Haha SK, I thought of the New Orleans board when I saw the ed hardy comment before I read that that is what you were referencing!

                                                                                          2. re: momjamin

                                                                                            If the women lost Lindsay would have Ben sent packing but not because of the fish. She was a disaster in FOH. I agree that it was good that they won because Sarah and Lindsay would have both accused Beverly of being responsible for the loss.

                                                                                            1. re: bobbert

                                                                                              "f the women lost Lindsay would have Ben sent packing but not because of the fish. She was a disaster in FOH. " Agreed Bobbert. Which is what I hate about RW. You shouldn't be sent packing for something no one else is being judged on.

                                                                                          3. re: mountaincachers

                                                                                            "Beverly doesn't seem much like a team player."

                                                                                            I'm really not so sure that Beverly is not a team player. How can we say that when no one will really let her on their team in the first place? "Hey, we don't want you on our team but the coach insists. Then we're going to demean you, disrespect you, and ensure that you know we don't want to play with you. Then, as the coup de grace, we're going to say you're not a team player". Considering all the crap she took from Lindsay and Sarah, I was surprised she hadn't just told them both to go f*%k off. Those two didn't even have the courtesy to congratulate Beverly after the win. In fact, you would have thought they had lost the challenge. Of the women, Sarah and Lindsay are clearly the non-team players.

                                                                                            1. re: bobbert

                                                                                              Man if it was me and Lindsey was bitching at me I'd be standing there saying, "Hey b*tch! You smell that? I think it's burning fish. Now get the hell out my kitchen and go do your job!"

                                                                                              1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                <Those two didn't even have the courtesy to congratulate Beverly after the win. In fact, you would have thought they had lost the challenge.>

                                                                                                In fact, if you recorded the show, go back and catch the look of incredulity on Sarah's face (that didn't go away) when Emeril announced Beverly as the winner. If looks could have killed, Bev would have been a goner -- and Emeril along with her.

                                                                                                1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                                  From early on it seemed to me that Lindsay Autry, Sarah Grueneberg and Heather Terhune could be pegged as the "Mean Girls"/(self-called)"Cool Girls" high school clique. Self-referencing, dismissive (contemptuous) of others, self-serving in that self-promoting/self-protective way one thinks of as suggestive of that kind of clique? In that scenario Beverly Kim was the pimply, plain, bespectacled girl who was good at math or whatever and...you can fill in the rest... :-)

                                                                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                                                                    We never do actually leave high school, do we?

                                                                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                      To the ones who had (or yearned for) a sense of belonging, I think that's probably true. I went to three different high schools, so it was just a pit stop on the way to college for me. I know what happened in high school really affected my sisters. It's a tough time for a lot of people.

                                                                                                      1. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                                                        I think it was probably a tough time for the mean girls, too.

                                                                                                      2. re: chicgail

                                                                                                        +1 (well, not because i lke that it's that way...)

                                                                                                      3. re: huiray

                                                                                                        I think you got the characters dead-on right, huiray.

                                                                                                    2. re: bobbert

                                                                                                      As the women were told to go fetch the guys, Lindsey had crossed arms a-la-Jamie looking so pissed Bev got the win and then afterwards had to do a prom queen moment with Sarah consoling her.

                                                                                                      I wanted to reached into my TV and slapped somebody!

                                                                                                2. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                  see to me Beverly annoys. I think she is a good cook but I also thinks she plays up to the whole "woe is me. Everyone is against me" because Heather was so visibly and loud against her. But several chefs have been vocal and not just with the resturant wars - of not wanting to team with her because she throws the team off. So what I do not like about her is her passive aggressiveness.

                                                                                                  1. re: lbs

                                                                                                    I agree with the passive-aggressive call. Why did Beverly save her doubts about the way Lindsay wanted her to cook the fish for the confessional? Why not speak up immediately and ask if there was some reason -- unique flavor/texture -- for Lindsay's technique? Why didn't Beverly volunteer in real time that she felt hesitant about Lindsay's technique and offer her alternative technique?

                                                                                                    1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                      Answer to all: Because Lindsay wouldn't let her - in the most direct and condescending manner. Any attempt by Beverly to speak up was cut right off and basically met with a "do it my way" response. As Grayson said, that was probably not the best was to cook halibut. It's a pretty unforgiving fish, especially on a grill, and needs a lot of TLC to get the temp right on that grill - something that would be hard to do it you were doing anything else. Team player Sarah was right there when Lindsay was telling Beverly how she wanted things done. Why didn't she speak up?
                                                                                                      I don't think Beverly is close to the strongest chef, especially when it comes to multitasking, a key skill for any chef and one that I'm sure will lead to her ultimate demise but passive aggressive? Passive, yes. Aggressive? I don't think so.

                                                                                                        1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                          I *love* that Grayson called out Lindsey on her own dish, saying it was the cooking method that was probably the issue, not Beverly overcooking the halibut.

                                                                                                          1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                            Because Lindsay wouldn't let her
                                                                                                            ~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                            sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. "let" her? she wasn't strapped to a chair and muzzled. Bev needs to stand up for herself, and if someone tries to cut her off or shoot down her ideas, she needs to be more aggressive and defend her position instead of slinking off to the confessional with her tail between her legs and whining about it. people will walk all over you in life if you let them, and she's *letting* them. i'm really sick of the victim act.

                                                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                              It was Lindsay's dish. Beverly "needs" to "stand up" to "defend her position" on Lindsay's dish? I disagree.

                                                                                                              People can start throwing tantrums when they start getting over their heads. It's better to not get entangled with a team mate who's flailing and screwing up, so they drag you down too. It was Lindsay's dish and with being attacked left and right, Beverly has better battles to pick if she wanted to take a stand. She had to fight to even get to cook what she wanted, and she won, so it seems she picked the right battles to fight

                                                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                To a certain degree I agree with you re. Beverly needing to be more aggressive but in this instant it was, after all, Lindsay's dish and that is the way she wanted it cooked. The way Lindsay was behaving by shutting off any attempt of Beverly to help HER, I could easily see Beverly (and any other contestant for that matter) just thinking, "F-it. You're gonna shit on me when I’m trying to help you? OK then, I'm not going to argue with you. It's your dish. I'll cook it just the way you want."
                                                                                                                If it were me instead of Beverly, the conversation would have gone as follows:
                                                                                                                Me: Are you sure you want me to grate dog feces on your fish?
                                                                                                                Lindsay: Just do it how I say.
                                                                                                                Me: I was just thinking that (Lindsay interrupts)
                                                                                                                Lindsay: Just do it the way I said (in a condescending tone)
                                                                                                                Me: How much dog feces should I put on each plate?

                                                                                                                1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                  I'm not asking this directly of you bobbert, just been wondering this generally. Why is cooking it on a grill wrong? Isn't fish cooked on a grill regularly.

                                                                                                                  jb

                                                                                                                  1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                                                    "Why is cooking it on a grill wrong?"
                                                                                                                    _______
                                                                                                                    Of all the entrees, it was the only one really cooked to order. Paul's pork belly was presumably braised or done in a pressure cooker and then crisped. Beverly's short ribs were cooked in a PC (i think) and then glazed. I think Ty-Lor's salmon was cooked sous vide, which cut the team a lot of slack come service. The point is that any of the other entrees could afford to sit around for a bit without major loss of quality.

                                                                                                                    Lindsay's dish was presumably cooked to order by the same person who had to prepare and plate the other entree, and then left out to die, sitting in the window with no team expediter. Lindsay would have been smarter to design a dish that did not have to be cooked to order, especially if she wasn't going to be there in the kitchen to cook it.

                                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                      Your last sentence says it all, cowboy. Lindsay agreed to be FOH. Change the dish she was going to make to make it easier for those cooking/plating to do her dish *correctly.*

                                                                                                                      1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                        I get it. it's not really wrong to cook halibut on a grill, just in this case when there so much else going on and a competitor, that you regularly denigrate, is responsible for firing your dish, not so smart.

                                                                                                                        jb

                                                                                                                        1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                                                          I agree with Cowboy - Also, I cook fish a lot on the grill and I love halibut. I find that, as opposed to say, swordfish or other firmer fish, it's not the easiest to grill. More care must be taken to keep it from falling apart and it's easy to mess up the temps. Still, I do grill it but I have to watch it and pay closer attention to keep from killing it. Doing that while cooking/plating another entree as well? I think it would be a very difficult task, especially for someone who's main weekness thus far has been in having dificulty multitasking.

                                                                                                                          1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                            I also think that Lindsay noted that to Beverly, that it's difficult to cook and falls apart easily (or something like that). She did note to "be careful with it."

                                                                                                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                            I agree with you - I said somewhere else in this thread, it was a poor choice of a dish for Lindsay, since she had to rely on someone else to execute.

                                                                                                                            1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                                                                              And I believe the quote of the episode was during their planning when Lindsay said "we're going to have to trust each other".

                                                                                                                          1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                            but in this instant it was, after all, Lindsay's dish and that is the way she wanted it cooked.
                                                                                                                            ~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                            my general comments about Beverly needing to stand up for herself were more about the entire experience, including the planning meeting and shopping excursion. i agree that since it was Lindsay's dish Beverly was obligated to respect her wishes, but i still think she let Lindsay steamroll her. maybe it's the Jersey in me, but i would have been more forceful with my suggestions...or maybe even taken the completely opposite tack and told her that i was concerned i wouldn't be able to produce the dish properly using the cooking method she had chosen.

                                                                                                                            i think Lindsay knew her concept was flawed from the beginning. even worse, the way she wanted to correct for the dryness was flawed. dousing it in butter sauce doesn't "fix" an overcooked piece of fish, it turns it into a greasy, overcooked piece of fish.

                                                                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                              "dousing it in butter sauce doesn't "fix" an overcooked piece of fish, it turns it into a greasy, overcooked piece of fish."

                                                                                                                              That's exactly what I thought when I heard her say it... WTF?? Overcooked, greasy fish???

                                                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                Didn't she also kill, I believe it was a trout dish, with too much butter? IIRC, Emeril of all people took Lindsay to task for the butter in that dish. I thought that particular dish looked great but the butter kept her from the top three in that challenge.

                                                                                                                            2. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                              and imagine if Beverly had cooked it differently than Lindsay had specified.... and it didn't work!! All hell would have broken loose!!

                                                                                                                              1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                                "and do NOT overcook my dog feces!"

                                                                                                                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                  sigh. maria, you're useless. the feces should be FROZEN, not cooked. and what would possess you to use a *grater* to do it when i specifically said MICROPLANE??? you're going to ruin my dish!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                    Well, maybe if they all got the hang of singing "Kum-ba-yaaaa" while grating said dog feces all would have been well. ;-)

                                                                                                                              2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. "let" her? she wasn't strapped to a chair and muzzled. Bev needs to stand up for herself, and if someone tries to cut her off or shoot down her ideas, she needs to be more aggressive and defend her position instead of slinking off to the confessional with her tail between her legs and whining about it. people will walk all over you in life if you let them, and she's *letting* them. i'm really sick of the victim act.

                                                                                                                                >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                                                                                                                                Oh brother that's bullcrap. For so many reasons. Where to even start. First, it's not her dish. Second, we've already seen how her ideas get shot down in multiple episodes. Third, is she supposed to club someone over the head? What exactly is she supposed to do to stand up for herself? Not everyone is outspoken like Grayson. There are people who are shy and they deserve to exist. Lastly I don't see her playing any victim act, I see outright bullying. Attacking the victim is just gross.

                                                                                                                                I'm not a Beverly fan but I am now a Grayson fan, she saw bullying and she said something, that's more than most people. It shows me what kind of person she is regardless of her food. Passive aggressive may be less than ideal, but bullying is just aggressive aggressive and even WORSE.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                  I'm a big fan of Grayson as being a strong person goes. I give her a lot of credit for standing up to the bullies and defending Bev (also Dakota did, too, IIRC at JT). She obviously has a lot of self-confidence, in a good way, not overly cocky.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                    oh lord, here we go. PLEASE don't put absurd words in my mouth - i never said shy people don't "deserve to exist." bullying disgusts me, and my entire life i've been the one to stand up for those who won't do it for themselves...but Beverly sure as hell knew how to stand up for herself when she had that outburst at the WF meat counter, and she had no problem monopolizing the kitchen during that Real Housewives-esque challenge. and hello, she's a CHEF, and any of us who have worked in a professional kitchen can tell you that it's NOT for the faint of heart. so i don't buy the idea that she's incapable of standing up for herself, and *that* is why i called it the victim "act."

                                                                                                                                    yes, i was happy to see Grayson step up & speak her mind, but she didn't "club someone over the head to do it," and Beverly wouldn't need to either.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                      I apologize if I misconstrued your statements, bullying of the weak is something that makes my eyes see red.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                        i appreciate the apology, and perhaps i could have been more clear initially about my position. we're on the same side here - i have ZERO tolerance for people who bully or take advantage of those who aren't capable of defending themselves. in fact, i have several close friends from my childhood & teenage years who will tell you to this day that when they were on the receiving end of some pretty nasty teasing & bullying, i was the only person willing to step in and defend them. but based on the instances i mentioned above i just don't believe Beverly is that helpless, so it exasperates me to see her defer to the "mean girls" so easily rather than standing her ground. yes i've seen the way they shoot down her ideas and cut her off when she's speaking, but she had to know going into this that the competition would be intense, and she needs to find a way to channel her "I can, I must I will" spirit & confidence when she interacts with the other chefs.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                          I agree with you. It seems that she gets her idea shot down. She frowns. She doesn't say anything. Then she complains about it later. I thought her beet salad idea was pathetic, btw. But she didn't fight for it, right or wrong. She just frowned.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                            Perhaps, if she wrote herself a note and taped it in on the mirror...

                                                                                                                              3. re: lbs

                                                                                                                                I agree. Beverly totally bugs. I would hate to be in a team competition with her.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                  No way did Beverly put her best foot forward getting Lindsay's food out. Not at all.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                                                                                    I think Beverly is kind of a savant when it comes to her own food and creation. When it comes to making things that aren't of her own design, she is pretty hapless.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                                      Yet they CONTINUE to give her responsibility for their stuff! It's like dropping your 10 year old son off at Neverland Ranch and wondering where you went wrong.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                                        ...and it seems true - what others here also say - that Beverly Kim is interested only in her own dish and her own food whenever she is in a situation involving other people's food.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                          Maybe that's why she is still in the competition.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                            i don't think she is only into her own food. she focuses on that. but it sounds like it was fantastic. and while a "little overcooked" the judges didn't slam the halibut. just that it was the worst dish of the night. they didn't seem to like it conceptually/tastewise either. and again, grayson said to lindsay that she didn't think it was the best method...
                                                                                                                                            would want to be stuck on an island with bev... no. but i think that she's decent. and that if people were nice, she'd be fine on a team. the judges obviously like her food.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                                                              I have not been too hard on Beverly in these threads however I do believe that she spends more time on just her own food in these team competitions and in the last one, she produced some crappy food, as reported by the judges. I don't necessarily believe it is because Beverly is selfish. I think she is slow and methodical with her food, that is why she sometimes produces great food. Hugh Acheson said in his blog that he has no idea how she is able to survive in a professional kitchen.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                I think she is slow and methodical with her food, that is why she sometimes produces great food. Hugh Acheson said in his blog that he has no idea how she is able to survive in a professional kitchen.
                                                                                                                                                ~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                and it's also why i highly doubt she'll survive LCK if she gets eliminated before the finale.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                  I agree. The only QF dish of hers that I recall is the one where she sliced up a poblano chile and served it without cooking anything. Her chile dish had a scoville unit measurement of 14 while Paul's was 1.2 million.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                                          She's good at ribs and kim-chi. You get her out of her comfort zone, she flounders.

                                                                                                                                  2. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                    There are some people who just seem to be the space of being the victim and Beverly has mastered that. She probably always gets picked on my someone. I think she's said was an abused wife and maybe it's where her identity lives or the only way she knows how to survive.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                      Without getting into armchair psychology as to why, Bev exudes insecurity if you watch her actions and the way she speaks or doesn't speak up. It seems like she could use an assertiveness, self-confidence course. But, maybe seeing chefs like Sarah and Heather, she doesn't want that type of cocky, overconfidence either. Grayson, OTOH, holds her own w/out coming off as any of that.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                        I love Grayson. It would be fun to sit down and have a drink (or two) with her.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                          Why stop at 2? Maybe at 3 she'd sing the frog song.