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Top Chef Texas - Ep. #9 - 01/04/12 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Jan 4, 2012 07:30 PM

NOTE: This is a 76 minute episode tonight!

Well, we're back. Not feeling all that great, but I'll muddle through. So, what do we have going on tonight? Looks like molecular gastronomy and a BBQ Pit War.

They're back at the Driskell and the chefs are saying they couldn't believe Heather went home; that she fought really hard for it. Beverly dryly said "Oh yeah, she fought for it." Edward noted that Heather had won two competitions on his recipe; Sara thought that he should have had the balls to say it to Heather when she was there.

Next thing we know, there's a knock on the door. A room service guy comes up with a table full of "Modernist Cuisine" by Nathan Myhrvold....an encyclopedic set of books on how to approach all cuisine with a modern mindset, per Edward. There is a note from Padma telling them this is their homework for the evening and that they should study up. They start thumbing through the books wondering what should be studied. Chris Jones said it's not all about molecular gastronomy, but a lot of it is classic techniques. Beverly seems to be the only one who stayed up extra-late going through them.

They arrive at Le Cordon Bleu and see Padma and Nathan Myhrvold as their judges. He explains that the modernist movement is learning new techniques to delight the people who eat the chef's food, and that MG is only a small subset. But it's really about creativity.

The winner of the QF who best illustrates modernist cuisine will get immunity AND a set of Modernist Cuisine. They have 45 minutes to cook. Chris Jones is hoping he pulls this one out. Everyone's looking at his work space which is surrounded in mist, per Ty-Lor, and he's got a lot of nitro going on. When they're done cooking, he's pleading to the camera to at least be in the top group.

Oops! Beverly spurts curry cream on Padma and Nathan, who says "that's a very modernist thing, but we're not used to having food served on us!" She then steps on a pile of dirty dishes and is half-laughing/giggling throughout her cleanup. Double-Oops! Edward says he respects her as a chef and a person, but she *is* a bit of an oddball. :-) Nathan ends up telling her how to use the foamer.

Oh LORD Sarah's Breakfast Raviolo, Pancetta, & Egg Yolk dish looks heavenly! Chris Crary's dish seemed to be well received by Padma and Nathan. Chris Jones goes into an explanation of "miracle berry" and how it changes your palate, and Nathan interjects that he grows it in his basement. Chris said "I would love to visit your basement!" But he didn't really DO anything - he just fed them a miracle berry before they ate.

Bottom group - Paul, Beverly, and Grayson
Top group - Ty-Lor, Sarah, and Chris Jones

The winner is? Ty-Lor! (I'm kind of glad Chris Jones *didn't* win, since he didn't really do anything for it!)

For the Elimination Challenge, they're moving from modern to traditional - BBQ! And Padma notes that Nathan took first place in the World BBQ Championships in Memphis, TN. Wow! They're asked to split themselves into 3 teams of three. The teams are:

1. RED TEAM - Sarah, Edward, and Ty-Lor
2. BLUE TEAM - Lindsay, Paul, and Grayson
3. WHITE TEAM - Beverly, Chris Jones, and Chris Crary

The last team of Beverly and the two Chris's just seem to be formed by default, as the other two teams seemed to shy away from Beverly.

They will be serving BBQ for 300 guests at the Salt Lick. For this challenge, they'll have all night to cook - chicken, beef brisket, and pork spareribs, and two sides have to be on the plates for service. Each team will have $1000 at Whole Foods and $1000 at Restaurant Depot. That's a LOT of protein they're buying at Restaurant Depot!

They show up at Salt Lick, and Ty-Lor said you can smell the BBQ getting out of the cars. The owner, Scott Roberts, shows them around the pits, tells them a lot about how they do the cooking. They then get a chance to try Salt Lick's BBQ out.

The owner climbs into his Toyota Tundra that's filled with logs, and everyone heads over in their Toyota Siennas to the BBQ pits (figured I'd help the marekting people along by mentioning the Toyota brands!). He tells them the pits are exact recreations of what they saw in Salt Lick's cooking area. They get to work around 10:15pm.

Ty-Lor pastes a handwritten sign on the RV "If this RV is a-rockin', don't come a-knockin." :-) While Ty-Lor knows he's got immunity, he wants to redeem himself from the steak episode. He wants to put that behind him. Sarah tells Edward how she wants to onions grilled, and Edward walks away grumbling "don't tell me how to effin' cook!" And Crary's wearing a wife-beater....he says it doesn't match his shoes, and thanks Lindsay for pointing it out.

Beverly heads inside and tells Chris Crary the bourbon's almost reduced. Chris C. tells her to be careful with reducing bourbon - sure enough, she walks in and it's flaming HIGH. Meanwhile, no one seems to know what's going on...but she leaves the fire going and she eventually sets off the fire alarm. She carries the pot outside still flaming. (Why wouldn't she just have put a lid on it inside?) She eventually puts a saucepan on top to put out the flames.

Paul's being the leader of the Blue Team; at 3:00am, Chris Jones comes over to say that someone's brisket in foil is "on the ground" in the smoker - that seems to be the Blue Team's brisket, and the weight wasn't distributed evenly. They were wrapped well, but they lost hours of cook time.

Chris Jones is making Beer Can Chicken starting around 6:30am. And later he's talking to the chickens on the grill after they've been working all night. The sun starts to come up, and they're all getting REALLY hot. And here comes Tom Colicchio to talk with the teams.

He starts with the White Team - they've got the beer can chicken, and a Dr. Pepper and coffee glaze for the ribs. Then off to the Red Team - and Ty-Lor notes that they've got Texas, Memphis and Kansas City all represented on their team. The chicken has Sarah's sweeter TX-style sauce, Ty-Lor's got the ribs dry-rubbed with a spicy rub, and then sauced KC-style, and Edward has the Memphis-style vinegary brisket. He then heads over to the Blue Team, they brined the chicken and ribs with orange and fish sauce, and Paul notes that they're going more Asian with a rub that has yellow curry. Grayson is wicked tired and tells Tom C. it's going to be like sex in the mouth. Tom looks a bit embarrassed, and says "Oh. OK. Cool." :-) He also tells them that the winning team will get $15,000.

Did Chris Jones just say "Winner Winner Chicken dinner"????? GAH. ::::hoorrrrrrrkkkkk:::::: STOP THAT! No Food Network crap here!

Sarah heads inside and says she needs a medic. She's VERY flushed and says to the medic that she has hot and cold chills, and she's on oxygen. The medic is saying "call it" meaning the ambulance is coming to take her away. She's really upset, realizing she might be going home, but Ty-Lor said she needs to make sure she's OK.

Tom shows up at the pit area and wants to talk with Ty-Lor and Edward. He tells them that Sarah is pretty much out of it, that the heat got to her, and they're taking her to the hospital and said they're on their own. Edward said that they first think "is she OK, is she dead?" But also said if it were him, he would have pushed through it. Ty-Lor and Edward realize they can't cut their meat to order, so they're busy chopping the meat and getting them in hotel pans, but they still have their beans to do. Edward cooks into "Oh my Eff" mode, and hates that they're putting the cut meat into the steamer trays.

Service begins and Grayson said it is a bum rush - Ty-Lor notes that there are 300 people to serve, with 7 items on their team's plate, 2100 plate strokes to make, and only 4 hands to do it all.

The judges come in and Padma immediate says "Let's go to the bar and get some drinks!"

They then head over to the Blue Team's service area. They serve up an Asian Spare Rib, Chicken & Brisket, Charred Brussels Sprouts and Okra, and Watermelon Salad. The judges seem to *really* like everything, except the Brussels Sprouts weren't done.

They then head over to the White Team - they did Beer Can Chicken, Brisket, dry rubbed with a spicy BBQ sauce, and Dr. Pepper Glazed Pork Ribs. Their sides are coleslaw and beans. Nathan notes it's a roast chicken, not really a BBQ chicken, and Tom notes it has flavor and it's moist, but very little smoke. Gail notes that their beans aren't cooked, and Tom also said their entire plate is salty. The brisket was a bit chewy, but they liked the coleslaw and Watermelon Fresca.

Sarah shows back up to help Ty-Lor and Edward notes that Sarah's only concerned about her chicken, and he won't let her change the service locations for her chicken. They served Texas-style Chicken (low and slow on the grill and then basted with a tomatoey sauce with a bit of spice, KC-Style Pork Ribs, Smoked Brisket, Poppy Seed Coleslaw and Pinto Beans. Sarah said she started to get more overheated after the judges are served, and leaves service. Ty-Lor tells Edward it's just them again. Sarah said she has no guilty feelings about leaving service. Edward wasn't happy that she only came back to serve her dish and then leaves again. The judges seemed to like the flavors of all the dishes.

Umm...Grayson? Next time, don't do the Little Green Bullfrog song for the confessional, OK? ;-)

They're back waiting for the judges to decide, and Sarah is explaining the breakdown in their group. She thinks that there was a communication breakdown and she felt a weird vibe. Edward tells her not to get emotional.

Padma comes back in and says they'd like to see the Blue Team. And THEY are the winners! Gail said their brisket was heads-and-tails over the other teams' briskets and they were the only team that didn't go traditional. They'll split $15,000, and Paul's up to $35,000 in cash total winnings.

The other two teams are asked to go up to the Judges Table. Sarah's chicken was more like grilled chicken, not smoked, although it was moist. Parts of her chicken was a bit rubbery, so slathering on the sauce too early wasn't ever going to get the skin crisp. Ty-Lor's feeling bad about his ribs. Gail said the ribs were heavy-handed in the seasoning, and then the rib meat didn't come off the bone. Padma asks who did what on the coleslaw, and Tom said the orange-mint that was in there had started to ferment and gave it an off taste. The brisket was discussed, and Edward noted that they did the pre-slicing because they were down a person. Tom asked why they didn't just continue to do it to order? Edward said that they got spooked because they didn't want a long line of people.

The judges then reviewed the White Team's dishes. Beverly's coleslaw was more traditional, but didn't show what she was like as a chef. She also brined the chicken, but Chris Jones cooked all of the meats. Their chicken could be called "grilled chicken" or "French Grandmother's Roast Chicken", according to Nathan, and then Padma asked who else had something to do with the pork ribs. Chris Crary said he did both the rubs for the brisket and ribs, and he did both the sauces. Tom noted that the ribs were so salty that they were inedible. Beverly did the beans, and they were undercooked as well.

I have a feeling it's someone from the White Team going home. Both Chris's aren't faring well, nor is Beverly. Wow - Tom said Ty-Lor was responsible for the proteins on the Red Team, and he was responsible for a lot of the problems on that team, and Tom wishes they *could* send Ty-Lor home - he was responsible for two things wrong. Padma notes that they could easily send someone home from either team.

They're back in front of the judges. Tom reviews what was wrong with their individual dishes. And it's Chris Crary is asked to PPYKAG. The overly salty sauces and rubs were what did him in.

The previews for next week? It's RESTAURANT WARS! And it looks to be guys vs. girls.

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So Chris C. heads to LCK to battle against Nyesha! And ooh! They're bringing back an old TC challenge - cook with items bought in a gas station. They have $20 to shop and a half hour to cook. They shop, and come back in and Chris C. sees the eliminated chefs sitting there, and said "why are you all here?" Nyesha's going with a crispy chicharrón with a charred bean ragu, while Chris C. is making a grilled cheese with ham and a spicy tomato soup (with foam!) They seemed to both have great dishes, but a winner is picked! :-)

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    debbiel Jan 4, 2012 07:58 PM

    Gosh, I'm just not sure who they have decided to cast as the bad one now that heather is gone. Who on earth could it be? BTW Edward, pretty common for an accent to creep back in and get strong when you return to the land where you developed it.

    I'm not a huge fan of the challenge. Barbecue seems such a highly specialized thing to me. I wouldn't expect them to do superbly with it, particularly for a large group, and I would rather see them with more freedom to do their thing at this point.

    Glad Ty-lor won the quick fire!

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      soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 08:02 PM

      i'm confused... how do you do bbq for a **small** group? is that this "crock pot bbq" crap i keep hearing about??? ;-P

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        debbiel Jan 4, 2012 08:08 PM

        Well, I've been to barbecues with one or two meats for 100. There's a little space between 3 meats for 300 people and my 5 qt crockpot.

        ETA: and I might have read tone wrong first read of your post (tired!). And I hate my crockpot. :)

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          soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM

          Debbie, i hope you know i was kidding! my bad, though, sorry! ;-P

          but, wasn't it meats for 200 folks? i thought i remember chris jones saying "we're cooking bbq for 200 *texans*"... big emphasis on *texans.* but in a practical sense, even executing 3 different meats, 2 sides... with 3 teams, i would think they could get away with very small portions of meat. like 1/2 rib, or 1/8-1/16 of a chicken, small slice of brisket, etc. per diner.

          anyway, my post above was off-the cuff, i was thinking of historically feeding a big crowd of folks with one whole animal. it is true that in the show they were going for a different type of wow factor, particularly the winning team. i must've still had the mouthwatering image of those big slabs of meat in the huge pit at the traditional texas bbq restaurant on my mind when i wrote that! :)

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            debbiel Jan 5, 2012 04:00 AM

            I did see that you were joking, but not til my second read. Sorry about that!

            I'm not sure if it was 200 or 300, and you're right, it's not like a big ole plate of each meat for each person needs to be done. This reflects my own ability to party plan. I make enough of everything for everyone, assuming everyone will eat for 3. :)

            I still think this one made it hard for them to show off their own top-chefness, because barbecue is so specialized. Of course they were also hampered by their inability or unwillingness to think beyond tradition, other than Paul's team.

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              goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 06:38 AM

              it was 300. Ty calculated it out that for their team, 300 people x 7 plate elements meant 2100 plate strokes during service.

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                soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 06:40 AM

                ah. thanks for this correction.

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          Worldwide Diner Jan 4, 2012 08:36 PM

          Gosh, I'm just not sure who they have decided to cast as the bad one now that heather is gone. Who on earth could it be?
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          Beverly - odd ball, no common sense, and not perceived to be a strong chef
          Ed vs. Sarah - I see this brewing into a bigger conflict, similar to the Bev vs. Heather.

          I didn't really see why they dinged Ed's brisket - he couldn't carve at the table if they were down a person.

          Next week the women's team looks like the women's team from Hell's Kitchen. Maybe Gordo will be the guest judge.

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            LindaWhit Jan 4, 2012 08:39 PM

            Well, based on what Tom C. said, I think they would have preferred their team having a long line waiting to be served than to have gray steamed brisket. So while it would have been totally insanely sucky to have hand-carved slices of brisket, it *could* have been done.

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              Worldwide Diner Jan 4, 2012 08:49 PM

              That's easy for Tom to say since the judges don't have to wait in line.

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                susancinsf Jan 4, 2012 09:46 PM

                true enough but then the judges brisket would have been done properly.....and I doubt if the judges would have been too hard on them for being slow with service if they were down a team member.

                and personally, I think that if Ed hadn't let his annoyance/anger at Sarah get the better of him, he could have figured that out.

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                  monavano Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM

                  I agree that Ed let his misguided emotions get in the way. Sarah looked like a red beet when she started to crash. You can't push through that and she did the right thing in asking for help.
                  She was in danger and obviously not in condition to tolerate the heat and exertion.

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                chicgail Jan 5, 2012 05:07 AM

                Did we see how the other teams handled serving the brisket? Did they hand carve it to order or leave it in the steamer?

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                  LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:19 AM

                  We didn't see. Now THAT would have been an interesting point for the judges to bring up. BUT - Edward would have continued to say that they were down 1 person.

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                    mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:56 AM

                    i can't remember who, but one of the other team's members said something about "we just start slicing our meat" at the site.

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                  Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 06:09 AM

                  I would bet $100 that if the judges had to wait that they would have raised holy hell about the inefficient way they were running their line.

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                    LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:20 AM

                    I know - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

                    But as susancinsf said above, the judges' brisket would have been done properly. And if they're not being judged by anyone *but* the judges, they're the ones to whom the cheftestants should be catering.

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                      Ruth Lafler Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM

                      They should have kept a hunk of brisket to slice by hand for the judges!

                      I'm with debbiel -- I don't think this was a good challenge, for the reasons she gave. I think a chili challenge, plus a steak challenge plus a BBQ challenge is one "Texas-themed" challenge too many. I want to see these chefs cook their food, not cook Texas food (not that there's anything wrong with Texas food!).

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                        Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM

                        i think the timing is about right. With eight people left, I hope they will not delve into what these chefs can do in their own voices. otherwise too much originality with so so many people will tend to turn into a cacophony.

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                          KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM

                          The Houston Press blog author said that she'd scream if next week's challenge is to make tacos. Kind of peeved about the stereotypical Texas foods that are being thrown into the challenges.

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                            JuniorBalloon Jan 5, 2012 01:16 PM

                            Interesting. I really like to see them cook out of their comfort zone. I think it shows who really knows how to cook and is well rounded. Plus I loves me some BBQ. When it gets down to the end, then I want them to cook to their strengths.

                            jb

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                              LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 01:34 PM

                              Now THAT would have been the way to work it, Ruth!

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                                soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 01:45 PM

                                i just read gail's blog and laughed at her statement about american regional bbq:

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                                I’m Canadian, so I don’t really get a vote. No one in Texas would care what I have to think or say about barbecue!
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                                  StewieBoy Jan 6, 2012 10:13 AM

                                  Too many team challenges, period! It lets "weak" chefs hide, and can sacrifice “stronger” chefs – like Nyesha.
                                  At least this season the Last Chance Kitchen (or what ever) helps to mitigate that to a degree. I don’t think Nyesha will win, but she had to PYKAG too early.- all due to the team challenge format.

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                                    scubadoo97 Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM

                                    Totally agree. Let the chefs win or loss on their own merit. They have to keep the game show mentality going lest we fall asleep.

                                    I would love to see a Top Chef competition that focused on the food, it's preparation and presentation. Period!

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                                      StewieBoy Jan 6, 2012 01:34 PM

                                      You know, I thought that was what made the earlier seasons different from other reality shows. Dave and Tiffany may have snapped at each other, but they also made things like squid ink emulsion and truffle Mac n cheese. Interesting, creative, and challenging.

                                      This season features beer can chicken. Really? My drunk uncle uses the same recipie, and he doesn't squabble with his wife.

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                                        chowser Jan 6, 2012 01:45 PM

                                        That's this season in a nutshell. Beer can chicken, dr pepper ribs, cole slaw and beans--as if the food weren't simple enough, they can't even get that right. Looks like Tom's talk didn't take. We get better foods at PTA potlucks.

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                                          cowboyardee Jan 6, 2012 02:20 PM

                                          It's not that this season's chefs haven't made things up to par with those of previous seasons - actually a good deal better than those on the first two seasons. The issue is more that there hasn't been as much on-air discussion of the food and the technique this season. Also, this season since the talent level is comparatively even, the better chefs haven't stood out as much as they have in prior seasons.

                                          Take a scroll through the recipe listing for this season.
                                          http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...
                                          There's a lot of reasonably sophisticated, well conceived stuff in it, as well as some clunkers, just like any season. Then consider that Dave, the season 1 chef you praise, made cheese quesadillas as his 'signature dish' in the first episode of his season. They were not wildly creative quesadillas either.

                                          The difference is in how much of the edit is allotted to the food itself.

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                                            debbiel Jan 6, 2012 02:28 PM

                                            I think you're right on that cowboyardee. I also think that's why I have no opinion on Lindsay's cooking--good or bad. I feel I haven't heard enough discussion of it to know.

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                                              mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 02:40 PM

                                              and if this thread is any evidence, they are apparently giving us what we want - emphasis on drama over food.

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                                                scubadoo97 Jan 7, 2012 02:41 PM

                                                I am totally not into the drama. Makes for some long threads though

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                                                  mcf Jan 7, 2012 04:35 PM

                                                  If they emphasize drama, what are we left to discuss? There's often not enough about what went into the food thought, technique or otherwise...

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                                                  KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 03:09 PM

                                                  I can't say that any of them thrill me - not the "I can't wait to get the ingredients and go home to make this!" kind of thrill. I mean, come on, I have that zing at least once a month (maybe less frequently recently) from Bon Appetit. In addition, every recipe I try from BA works!
                                                  Maybe I didn't scroll through enough. As it stands now, I will try some of the recipes based only on watching them. For interesting things, I will go with BA ans Epicurious.com.

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                                                    AsperGirl Jan 6, 2012 04:47 PM

                                                    I agree with this... lately the show is less focused on details about the food and more focused on personalty. I'm missing the rich details about the dishes...

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                                                      StewieBoy Jan 7, 2012 09:48 AM

                                                      absolutely

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                                                        mcf Jan 7, 2012 04:36 PM

                                                        Yes, it's a change for the worse... I liked the competition to get into the competition, and LCK, but the weekly competitions aren't food/cooking centric enough.

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                                                      lbs Jan 6, 2012 02:47 PM

                                                      I also think that the elimination challenges are limiting the chefs. Basically it has been Top Catering for most of them. It seems like only one challenge- the who inspired you - made the chefs up their game. You can get creative with BBQ as Paul, et al showed but only so creative.

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                                                        chowser Jan 6, 2012 03:58 PM

                                                        This is true, too, plus consider the types of crowds they've cooked for--no one who would like more creative, adventurous foods. Even red wine reduction turned off the housewife.

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                                                          kubasd23 Jan 6, 2012 04:04 PM

                                                          But it looked like blood on the plate!! :) But really, they've been cooking for a less than qualified crowd in almost every episode, we really need to see some REAL cooking!

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                                                            soupkitten Jan 7, 2012 09:17 AM

                                                            i think the bbq crowd was prepared for some better execution and more forward flavors, they agreed w the judges on paul's team winning. they just didn't like uncooked beans, salted to death ribs, steam table brisket, etc.

                                                            i think the chefs dumbing down their food for the crowd has consistently been a problem this season, as opposed to the crowd necessarily being dumb-- with the big, notable, plastic-enhanced exception of those awful housewives.

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                                                              chicgail Jan 7, 2012 11:26 AM

                                                              yes. yes. and yes.

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                                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 7, 2012 04:48 PM

                                                                i think the chefs dumbing down their food for the crowd has consistently been a problem this season
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                                                                indeed. and really, ENOUGH with the group challenges already! i suspect we might be seeing different (and perhaps better?) food from these chefs if they didn't have to adjust to random venues & kitchens and different team/group dynamics every week. what ever happened to keeping them in the Top Chef kitchen to cook their food once in a while?

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                                                                  John E. Jan 7, 2012 06:23 PM

                                                                  I wonder how much influence on the choice of elimination challenges came from the fact that the Elves received $400,000 from the state of Texas to bring this production to their state? I would guess the Cattlemen's Ball was a direct result, but I'm not aure of the others.

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                                                                    Leepa Jan 8, 2012 04:59 AM

                                                                    Didn't realize this. I wonder how much damage the progressive dinner episode did for the state's image?

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                                                                      huiray Jan 8, 2012 06:19 AM

                                                                      I think the cities themselves were also involved with it being said that the show skipped Houston because they wouldn't get on board with the $$$. I think the Texas overload is doing them no favors for their image nor for the show itself.

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                                                                        DGresh Jan 8, 2012 06:37 AM

                                                                        you're right. It's not like we didn't already know that they like their meat down there in Texas. It might have been better to focus on things that aren't so stereotypical. Texas is a big state, and I imagine it supports "all kinds".

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                                                                          goodhealthgourmet Jan 8, 2012 07:58 AM

                                                                          it really is too bad, because the food scenes in Austin and Houston have been booming for a while and they've got much more going on than just BBQ and big hunks of meat.

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                                                                            John E. Jan 8, 2012 09:28 AM

                                                                            It seems all the Texas stereotypes are being perpetuated. Did we really need to have them compete at Southfork? At least they did not bring in J.R., Sue Ellen, Pam, Bobby, or Lucy as a guest judge.

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                                                                              debbiel Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM

                                                                              I assume they're saving them for the final. :)

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                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 02:52 PM

                                                      I think I'd be scared if I showed up at LCK and saw that my opponent was Nyesha. Then again, I'm a Nyesha fan and hope she hangs on until the bitter end...

                                                      I agree about the team challenges, and those of physical endurance, being ridiculous. They don't prove a thing about an individual chef's ability to think on his/her feet, cook under adverse conditions, and produce something wonderful, How many times have all of us been at the end of the month, looked into the freezer, and come up with something that the rest of the family thought was fantastic? I want to see some creativity, not endurance!

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                                                        gaffk Jan 6, 2012 04:08 PM

                                                        Amen.

                                                        As a heat intolerant person, these all night, all day team challenges in 100+ degree weather are wearing me out.

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                                                  Pookipichu Jan 5, 2012 07:35 PM

                                                  +1 the whole situation is ridiculous. Lack of sleep, heat, sun, and lack of water (where's the water Grayson said)

                                                  Sorry but for a "Texan" Sarah should have been able to push through what 8 other contestants were able to endure. Make excuses for her all you want blah blah. Ed gashed his hand and continued to work.

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                                                    gaffk Jan 5, 2012 07:42 PM

                                                    A gashed hand is one thing . . . I've ignored that myself.

                                                    Heat stroke is quite another. I'm not from Texas, but do live in a place where heat indices get above 120 and when you have heatstroke it is life threatening. And once it happens, you know to pour cold water down your throat all day and all night.

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                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:44 PM

                                                      I think it was Gail's blog that said there was plenty of ice water for everyone. I can't remember if it was her TC blog or the other one.

                                                      1. re: Pookipichu
                                                        John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:58 PM

                                                        Kory Stringer was a professional athlete. He tried to "...push through..." and he died of heatstroke, in Minnesota no less. Did you think this through before posting?

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                                                          twyst Jan 6, 2012 04:16 AM

                                                          I live in Austin, it was the hottest summer on record in like 50 years, and it routinely reached 110 degrees every day for the stretch they were filming here. People were dropping like flies all over town. I dislike Sarah, but if you havent experienced a summer here I dont think you can understand how serious and prevalent heat strokes/heat exhaustion can be.

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                                                            John E. Jan 6, 2012 06:33 AM

                                                            Why did you direct this post to me?

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                                                              twyst Jan 6, 2012 07:16 AM

                                                              I was further agreeing with you that the thought of "pushing through" when the down side is dying of heat stroke is not a well thought out course of action.

                                                          2. re: John E.
                                                            Phaedrus Jan 6, 2012 05:19 AM

                                                            You can't apply Stringer's situation here. This is two different cases, not unrelated but not directly compatible. He was running around in an aerobic zone outside in the sun with full football gear on. Plus, I don't believe he hydrated enough. Now Sarah may not have either, we don't see whether she was running to get water every five minutes or not.

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                                                              twyst Jan 6, 2012 05:30 AM

                                                              Stringer's situation? You make it sound like an isolated incident.

                                                              http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/us/july-dec11/footballheat_08-09.html

                                                              Also, its not limited to football players. I dont think you have a grasp on how serious and widespread the problem is.

                                                              http://www.wjla.com/blogs/weather/2011/07/heat-related-deaths-start-to-rack-up-in-u-s-abroad-11916.html

                                                              http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/20/us-weather-idUSTRE76J5N120110720

                                                              9 deaths in dallas alone this summer etc etc etc
                                                              http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/D...

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                                                                Phaedrus Jan 6, 2012 05:52 AM

                                                                It was not my intent to make the situation sound isolated. Having overweight linemen running around in the midday sun with full football gear on, doing very anaerobic things while elevating his pulse rate versus having an overweight chef with no gear on standing next to a fire pit while not being over exerted is not identical. the only identical thing about them is that personnel, trainers in the case of Stringer and the producers in the case of TC failed to prevent the incidence from happening. The other similarity is that you can warn people all they want, but if they don't think to hydrate, there is not much you can do until it is too late.

                                                              2. re: Phaedrus
                                                                John E. Jan 6, 2012 06:36 AM

                                                                I certainly can compare the two. Sarah was exerting herself in the sun and the heat. That's what produces heatstroke. It is a dangerous situation compounded by the smoke and the likelyhood that she is not in the best aerobic physical condition. Stringer may have been a large football player but he was still more aerobically fit than Sarah. He got paid to run around, he just should have had the courage to ask for help like Sarah did. He tried to "push through" and it killed him.

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                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 07:01 AM

                                                                  Exerting herself by flipping a chicken, the way 8 other people were doing? How do you compare that to football practice? Your argument doesn't hold water.

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                                                                    donovt Jan 6, 2012 07:07 AM

                                                                    You're argument that 8 other people were ok is like saying that not everyone who smokes gets cancer, so smoking must not be a health issue.

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                                                                      John E. Jan 6, 2012 01:16 PM

                                                                      I had an exchange recently on that very topic. It also included doubt about the sun causing skin cancer. The posts were deleted.

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                                                                      bobbert Jan 6, 2012 07:43 AM

                                                                      I can't not jump in because it's my nature. I can't believe we are arguing over whether or not Sarah should have "pushed through". It's like asking someone to push through a heart attack. It can't be done. She was probably minutes from collapsing into unconsciousness. What then? A little kick with some encouraging words like "hey, suck it up". I didn't care for her attitude upon her return and her lack of feeling any guilt about the whole going to the hospital thing but she really had no choice.
                                                                      Yeah, maybe she's weaker than the others. Maybe that weakness almost led to Ed going home. People can and DID die in mass last summer due to the heat. Many were in better shape than Sarah and were exerting themselves less. This was not a cut or even a broken leg we're talking about. The argument over whether or not she should have gone in the ambulance is a stupid one because there is no other side. Let's argue about her lack of feeling any guilt or her concern for the chicken or whether or not Ed was justified in being pissed. We have plenty of legit stuff we can argue about. Her getting carted off in an ambulance just ain't one of them.

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                                                                        JuniorBalloon Jan 6, 2012 08:42 AM

                                                                        There's been a lot of discussion about Saarh's attitude after returning from the hospital. I called the Elves and got the low down and the film that never made it to the show that should shine some light on how it really went down. They told me that neither going to the hospital nor her return were her choice. The medics said "Go" and the doctors released her to return. Upon returing she had this exchange with Ed and Ty-Lor.

                                                                        Sarah: Hi guys sorry I almost died, but I'm back now and ready to help. What should I do?
                                                                        Ed: If you touch my brisket I'll gut you!
                                                                        Ty-Lor: You don't want to get near my ribs. They really suck. Perhaps you should just pate your chicken?
                                                                        Sarah: Ok. Ed, can I...
                                                                        Ed: If you touch my brisket I'll gut you!
                                                                        Sarah: Ok...alrighty then. I'll just plate my chicken and be on my way.
                                                                        Sarah voice over as she leaves the serving area: That guy is a maniac. I don't feel guilty one bit leaving him in the lurch. I'm going to buy Ty-Lor a Mercedes Benz. He is super sweet.

                                                                        Now you can all stop bashing Sarah.

                                                                        jb

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                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 09:11 AM

                                                                          LOL! Oh, I only WISH we could see some of the edited-out footage. ;-)

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                                                                            Joanie Jan 6, 2012 09:24 AM

                                                                            I was falling for this until "I'll gut you".

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                                                                              bobbert Jan 6, 2012 01:21 PM

                                                                              Me too. LOL!! If only that exchange could make it to TV. We'd be talking Emmy.

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                                                                            Bart Hound Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM

                                                                            I can't believe we are arguing over whether or not Sarah should have "pushed through". It's like asking someone to push through a heart attack.
                                                                            ***************************************************

                                                                            Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

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                                                                              JuniorBalloon Jan 6, 2012 01:03 PM

                                                                              "It's only a flesh wound"

                                                                              jb

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                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 01:40 PM

                                                                                OK, I love you T.....H......I.......S much for bringing one of my favorite Monty Python/Holy Grail lines into this thread, JB. :-D

                                                                          3. re: Pookipichu
                                                                            John E. Jan 6, 2012 01:13 PM

                                                                            Of course it doesn't hold water, if Sarah were holding water this entire incident would not have happened.

                                                                            I was making the comparison of two people exerting themselves in the heat. One attempted to 'push through' and died, the other could have died. One was a professional athlete the other was not. They were both suffering from heat stroke. It does not matter how they got to that point, they were both suffering from heat stroke. Do you think Sarah should have 'pushed through"? I stand by the comparison.

                                                                            Have you read bobbert's response about 'pushing through'?

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                                                                              Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 01:22 PM

                                                                              I see things differently, you see things one way and neither of us know the full details and so we can agree to disagree.

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                                                                            Phaedrus Jan 6, 2012 07:01 AM

                                                                            Whatever.

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                                                                      ladybugthepug Jan 6, 2012 06:33 AM

                                                                      From Philadelphia's "Great Chef's Event" in 2009. The man (and helpers) cut pork belly sliders to order, and it was easily the longest line in an event with 400 people. Was it him and another guy? No, but I think it shows that he walks the walk.

                                                                       
                                                                       
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                                                                        huiray Jan 6, 2012 07:20 AM

                                                                        Who's that?

                                                                        Is it Tom Colicchio? If so where did the pics come from? The only one I can find of a similarly attired person at this event is this one - pic #19 in the set: http://www.phillymag.com/party_pictur... where TC is wearing a yellow neckerchief sans a cap and appears to be standing in a different area than as shown in the pics here...

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                                                                          ladybugthepug Jan 6, 2012 08:05 AM

                                                                          Actually it is from 2010, '09. I took the pictures. It was the first year they were at Urban Outfitters HQ I believe.

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                                                                          chowser Jan 6, 2012 07:42 AM

                                                                          He might be serving it to order but was he also doing the plating and serving for all the other dishes? It looks like there is a pretty big crew helping.

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                                                                            ladybugthepug Jan 6, 2012 08:16 AM

                                                                            "Was it him and another guy? No, but I think it shows that he walks the walk."
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                                                                            I'm pretty sure he had a full night's sleep. The room was air conditioned. He was serving one protein instead of three. There were no sides to serve.

                                                                            A comparison of the two was never my intention. Just a couple pictures of a guy serving cooked meat the way he thinks it should be served. If I had pictures of him glad handing while his underlings dished up pre-sliced food, I'd have posted those and called BS on what he said at Judges Table.

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                                                                              chowser Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM

                                                                              Sorry, I see--I didn't read the response that yours was replying to. Even Ed realized cut to order was the way to go but he also had to serve 300 people and make a decision on the fly. Maybe in hindsight, he would have done something different.

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                                                                              huiray Jan 6, 2012 08:18 AM

                                                                              Additionally, how many ingredients/components was he serving?

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                                                                                ladybugthepug Jan 6, 2012 08:25 AM

                                                                                See above.

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                                                                                  huiray Jan 6, 2012 08:32 AM

                                                                                  Ah.

                                                                      2. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 4, 2012 08:49 PM

                                                                        Beverly - odd ball, no common sense, and not perceived to be a strong chef
                                                                        ~~~~~~~~
                                                                        or as Chris Crary said, "she's book smart, but when it comes to common sense she's missing a few chapters." i LOVED that line! i was sad to see him go - i would have preferred it if Beverly or Chris Jones had gotten the axe. there's nothing enjoyable about watching either of them, and they don't seem to be wowing the judges with their food. plus, Chris Crary pulled off a scallop + risotto QF dish without landing in the bottom. that should count for something, shouldn't it? :)

                                                                        for the record, i'm totally coveting Ty's QF prize. i've wanted that set since it was available for pre-order, and i'm surprised the other chefs didn't make a bigger deal about it.

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                                                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM

                                                                          Yeah, considering the set of books retails for $625, that's a pretty big deal.

                                                                      3. re: debbiel
                                                                        susancinsf Jan 5, 2012 06:27 AM

                                                                        I was a fan of the challenge, since I think it really was a challenge, and I think a few participants had their eyes opened as to how much of a challenge making great bbq really is (wasn't it Paul who asked himself, 'how am I ever going to make bbq this good?"). The winning team both had to be creative and take risks,and also had to know and cover the basics (such as being sure that the brisket got on/in the heat right away, knowing that it would take a long time). They also had to work well together under extreme pressure. It isn't just about putting a beer can in a bunch of chickens and putting them on the grill and sweating it out.

                                                                        While I haven't read Tom's blog, I also got the impression that this was a challenge that he and the other judges enjoyed a lot, in part because they recognized it as truly being a homage to the techniques.

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                                                                        bobbert Jan 4, 2012 08:19 PM

                                                                        Bottom line: The word "Inedible" = kiss of death

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                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM

                                                                          As soon as I heard them say that word, I was like "Whelp.... Chris C. is going home."

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                                                                            mariacarmen Jan 4, 2012 11:29 PM

                                                                            same here.

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                                                                              LurkerDan Jan 5, 2012 08:04 AM

                                                                              ditto

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                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 06:40 AM

                                                                              i couldn't help hoping it meant the kiss of death for Beverly when they also said it about her beans...but as we all know, inedible protein is a greater offense than an inedible side dish. grrr.

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                                                                                bobbert Jan 5, 2012 07:45 AM

                                                                                I think Padma added that almost as afterthought or like she was asked by the producers to say that to throw off people like me who, once hearing Tom say "inedible", were thinking "time for bed. I wonder how he'll do against Nyisha". Padma's inedible just didn't have the same conviction as Tom's.

                                                                          2. cowboyardee Jan 4, 2012 08:32 PM

                                                                            Random thoughts:

                                                                            - Hard to see how Ty-Lor's watermelon with powdered olive oil won the quickfire. I guess those spices must have been unconventional and surprising. It looked like Ty-Lor didn't really do anything at all to the watermelon aside from cutting it into a cube. Add a little powder (maltodextrin and olive oil, it's not hard) and some spice - am I missing something, or is this a strange dish to pick as winner? On the other hand, few of the other chefs seemed to really roll very well with the challenge. Moto Chris seemed for a minute like he would finally get his moment in the sun, but I think he inadvertently turned his offering into a pissing contest with Nathan Myrvold. Surprised Paul did so badly. A little more than 45 minutes for the challenge would have helped these chefs. But still, I can think of several chefs from other seasons that would have killed this challenge.

                                                                            - Looks like these guys mostly had a hard time with barbecue. Now, before all of us home cooks start talking s***, I'll say this in defense of the chefs: even though it's not a Top Chef cliche, I think barbecue is probably up there with risotto and gnocchi in terms of being a real bitch to serve in competition. They're all technique-heavy dishes that are easy to make but hard to make perfect. Not many pro chefs have professional experience cooking barbecue, though they might have extra-curricular experience. On top of that, no matter how precisely you make your barbecue, there's the risk that it'll never stand up to people's preconceived and HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE notions of exactly what perfect barbecue should be. Of course, that doesn't apply if your 'cue is inedibly salty or unpleasantly dry because your brisket was cut an hour before being served.

                                                                            - I don't honestly know how I feel about the Edward vs Sarah conflict. On one hand, I'm sure she was legitimately ill and talked out of competing by the medics. But I can totally see why Ed was annoyed that she showed back up only long enough to plate for the judges. Was Edward surlier than the situation warranted? I don't know.

                                                                            - With Chris C going home and Edward getting grumpy, who is the new front runner for fan favorite? I'd say Ty-Lor, but I honestly am not so sure he's going to be around much longer. Speaking of Chris C, I laughed my ass off at his apartment full of nude paintings.

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                                                                              debbiel Jan 4, 2012 08:36 PM

                                                                              "...but I think he inadvertently turned his offering into a pissing contest with Nathan Myrvold." THIS. I think you nailed it.

                                                                              I was creeped out by Chris' nude paintings, but that may have been from cumulative effect.

                                                                              Don't know about the Edward Sarah thing either. I don't know how much say they get about staying/going in medical situations. Could have been staged for her to arrive at the right moment to serve up for the judges. Easy to see her having repeat of symptoms shortly after she returned. Who knows....

                                                                              Fan favorite: Grayson is in 2nd, I think. If I voted for things like that, I think I'd vote for Paul.

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                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 4, 2012 08:43 PM

                                                                                As I've said in previous threads, I like Moto Chris - I think he seems like a nice guy, and he's made me laugh a few times. But I'm thinking he will never have his moment in the sun. The universe will not allow it. He will keep on coming up with elaborate and over-complicated schemes to win praise from the judges, only to slapped down and made to look foolish and ridiculous. But, improbably, he will not lose or go away either.

                                                                                He's basically Top Chef's version of Wile E Coyote.

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                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 4, 2012 08:44 PM

                                                                                  Brilliant, cowboyardee! Wile E. Coyote, indeed. :-)

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                                                                                    KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 12:03 AM

                                                                                    I want a "like" button! Wonderful, Cowboyardee!

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                                                                                      Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 06:12 AM

                                                                                      Moto Chrios keeps writing checks that he can't cash. I have yet to see him take care of the details enough to get the job done.

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                                                                                        John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:34 AM

                                                                                        Ugly Chris does not know all that much about grilling chicken let alone BBQing chicken. Almost everybody is confused about beer can chicken however. The beer never gets hot enough to steam to keep the chicken moist. It's an illusion. The competition called for BBQ chicken anyway. Apparently Ugly Chris and heat-stroke Sara forgot that. If they would have thrown some soaked wood or wood chips on the fire to generate some smoke for their chicken they may have fared better.

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                                                                                          cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM

                                                                                          By the judges' accounts, his beer can chicken was the highlight of his groups offerings, even though it had very little in the way of smoky flavor. IIRC, it was called moist and delicious.

                                                                                          It looked to me like he was stacking those chickens a lot closer together and tighter than I would have if I were hoping for smoke to flavor the chicken skin. On the other hand, I've never cooked 50 chickens t the same time on the same grill/smoker space,

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                                                                                            ChefJune Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM

                                                                                            <It looked to me like he was stacking those chickens a lot closer together and tighter than I would have if I were hoping for smoke to flavor the chicken skin. On the other hand, I've never cooked 50 chickens t the same time on the same grill/smoker space,>

                                                                                            The way those chickens were placed on that grill reminded me eerily of the way chickens are raised in commercial hatcheries -- where they are all crammed together in a small enclosure that was just big enough for their eggs....

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                                                                                              KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM

                                                                                              How sad, but how true. Good insight.

                                                                                          2. re: John E.
                                                                                            chicgail Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                            This may be totally parenthetical, but I don't think Moto Chris is ugly. He's certainly not as cute as Malibu Chris. He's pretty committed to cook Moto-style tricks. But ugly. I really don't think so.

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                                                                                              soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM

                                                                                              i think John was joking and not actually calling chris jones ugly. if i am not mistaken, the reference is to the "corn field" episode, where the contestants are breaking up into who gets to ride in which toyota product w each other. someone says something about riding with "handsome" chris, or "pretty" chris (i don't remember the exact words), and chris jones refers jokingly and self-effacing-ly to *himself* as "ugly chris," to general amusement. chris c's looks have kind of been a running joke thus far in the competition (e.g. "malibu")

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                                                                                                John E. Jan 5, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                                                I used the term because that's what the contestants used in an earlier episode.

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                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 4, 2012 08:41 PM

                                                                                        I agree that if I were in Edward's place, I would have been pissed at Sarah *only* showing up to serve the judges.

                                                                                        As for Fan Favorite, I'm thinking Paul or Grayson? (Although that damn Little Green Frog song still resonates with me - and not in a good way! LOL)

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                                                                                          huiray Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM

                                                                                          Yes, if I were Ed Lee I would have been pissed too. I would note too that after she had left the two guys to do everything that still needed to be done (a lot), after Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. had worked out a way to serve stuff with only 4 hands and was already "in the flow" of it she shows up to serve afore-mentioned 4 plates (or whatever small number) while trying to redirect how her chicken was presented etc and alter the flow that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. had already going. Then she decamps again. And complains about the "lack of communication" and "feeling weird". Yes, you had heat stroke but lady, you weren't even there when crunch time was approaching.

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                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 10:52 PM

                                                                                            i thought it was really interesting to contrast ty and ed's attitudes toward the heatstroke thing. ty seemed quite positive, sympathetic to sarah, and matter-of-fact about the situation, compared to ed. otoh ty could afford to be more laid back about it, after all, he had immunity.

                                                                                            wrt: extreme heat conditions. sarah probably did not hydrate properly. i was also wondering if the chefs were able to employ any of the normal means to avoid serious heatstroke. there didn't seem to be a walk-in freezer available, but how about ice? in very hot kitchens, the line cooks make ice packs and wear them around their necks and such during the hot rush. in order to, y'know... not die, and stuff. :(

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                                                                                              Boudleaux Jan 5, 2012 07:30 AM

                                                                                              I thought it was funny that Ed Lee tweeted something like "OK, OK, maybe I need some sensitivity training" last night during the show.

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                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:23 AM

                                                                                                LOL! OK, I guess he realized how poorly he came off with his sniping.

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                                                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 5, 2012 07:44 PM

                                                                                                  I don't think he came off poorly, I think people are being overly sympathetic to Sarah. In my eyes, Sarah came off very poorly, she comes back, moments before service? Thanks. Then insult to injury starts to try to move things around so her chicken can be highlighted. No thank you.

                                                                                                  In addition to my earlier comment that 8 other people were working all night and in the hot sun. She was the only one to get stroke and a "Texan" at that. Ed wasn't all puppies and coddling but he wasn't nearly as hostile as let's say Heather could have been. Yes Tylor was all back pats and sympathy, he had immunity, 'nough said.

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                                                                                                    huiray Jan 5, 2012 08:15 PM

                                                                                                    :::applause:::

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                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 05:17 AM

                                                                                                      People are being overly sympathetic to Sarah? Not quite.

                                                                                                      Leaving for her heat exhaustion? I don't fault her at all for that. But coming back for 10 minutes to serve the judges and then leaving again? THAT is where I object to what she did to her teammates.

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                                                                                                        chowser Jan 6, 2012 05:35 AM

                                                                                                        That's my feeling, too. It was her coming back and taking care of her own dish for the judges and then leaving, along with the "no guilt" comment that turned me off. We could argue all day (and probably will!) about what might have happened, just as some have defending Heather and Bev and others but we only know what we saw.

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                                                                                                          John E. Jan 6, 2012 06:38 AM

                                                                                                          I respect your opinion LInda but I think it is likely that Sarah pushed herself to come back before she was physically ready. I highly doubt she went and sat down because she did not WANT to help her team serve their food.

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                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 07:18 AM

                                                                                                            Yes, but her "I don't feel guilty" comment seems to belie that, John. I felt that was an "I don't care about them" comment.

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                                                                                                              debbiel Jan 6, 2012 07:23 AM

                                                                                                              I took it as a "I don't feel guilty for putting health and safety first", though I also read a bit of self-defensiveness in it. As in, I feel kind of guilty but I'm going to say I don't because I want to believe that what I did was okay.

                                                                                                              I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time.

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                                                                                                                chowser Jan 6, 2012 07:45 AM

                                                                                                                "I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time."

                                                                                                                This does sum it up. Who, after not sleeping and doing all that, will come off well the whole time?

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                                                                                                                  ladybugthepug Jan 6, 2012 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                  If anyone spends any kind of time on CH, they can see how testy people get with sleep and and temperature controlled room, sitting behind a keyboard. Up all night? Smoke constantly in you face? One hundred degree temps? C'mon, man. It's hard to keep your chin up in a situation like that. One person down (the sick person NEVER goes home) and the other has immunity? Yeah, Ed had every right to be shitting bricks. I don't know how sensitive Ty is if the shoe is on the other foot.

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                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler Jan 6, 2012 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                  Also: "I don't feel guilty because when I offered to help they told me to f*** off."

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                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 09:14 AM

                                                                                                                    "I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time."
                                                                                                                    ~~~~~~~

                                                                                                                    There you go. debbiel for the win. :-)

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                                                                                                                      susancinsf Jan 6, 2012 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                      <As in, I feel kind of guilty but I'm going to say I don't because I want to believe that what I did was okay.>

                                                                                                                      yes. I read it as a sort of self-afirmation. Don't any of you ever feel guilty even though a part of you doesn't think you should?

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                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 6, 2012 01:18 PM

                                                                                                                      I took her "I don't feel guilty" comment as a defense mechanism because she was still feeling physically ill from the heatstroke and not as a childish reaction to Ed's childish behavior.

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                                                                                                                        debbiel Jan 6, 2012 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                        If it was heatstroke, she was most certainly still feeling ill.

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                                                                                                                NellyNel Jan 6, 2012 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                LOL!

                                                                                                                I'm happy to hear that - I do like Ed!

                                                                                                                Edit: I like Ed's twitter comment

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                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 6, 2012 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                  That puts Ed in a different light for me.

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                                                                                                                  Bart Hound Jan 5, 2012 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                  I thought Ed was being a real jerk to her as soon as she returned, which made me think he was the real jerk. I can see why he'd be mad with her leaving a second time after the judges were gone, but he started his attack as soon as she got their and tried to help.

                                                                                                                  I mean, he was angry with her for trying to help! WTF?!?!? I understand they had their system going, but he seemed like a petulant child.

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                                                                                                                    LurkerDan Jan 5, 2012 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                    I agree. And his "if it were me, I would have toughed it out" attitude is bull. One can tough out a cut to the hand, one can't really tough out heatstroke.

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                                                                                                                      Pookipichu Jan 5, 2012 07:45 PM

                                                                                                                      Totally disagree, 8 other chefs toughed it out.

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                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 5, 2012 08:16 PM

                                                                                                                        Indeed.

                                                                                                                        IMO it was also unmindful on her own part to ignore the fact that, yes, she had a larger body mass than all the remaining cheftestants (and before the attacks start - yes, it is true; an inconvenient fact) subject to heat-exchange issues. We do not see any effort on her part on the show as edited to ameliorate the heat situation - hydrating more, trying smoke-avoidance tactics, attempting some sort of sun-cover rig-up, etc...if she still succumbed, then at least we would have seen that she did try not to...

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                                                                                                                          cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 08:56 PM

                                                                                                                          We heard in the episode that her blood pressure and heart rate were elevated, though I guess we didn't see how high. Based on the non-rebreather mask they had on her, it's possible that her oxygen saturation was pretty low as well...

                                                                                                                          I can tell you as a medical professional that if I'm evaluating someone and their BP and HR are both high enough, I am not letting them 'tough it out' without a serious fight. I think the medics might well have told her (and the producers) very forcefully that continuing to compete at that time would be very dangerous and stupid.

                                                                                                                          8 other people made it through the contest. I suspect they didn't have an acute issue because they were probably in better shape to start with. Hard to say. But none of them looked like she did. If I were the medic treating her, I likely would not have let her continue to compete without a fight and I would have made the producers aware of the danger as well. It's really not the same as putting off stitches.

                                                                                                                          All that said, I can see why Ed was annoyed when she came back just to fiddle with the chicken for the judges.

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                                                                                                                            mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                            applause!

                                                                                                                            8 other people made it through. big deal! 8 different people might not have. everyone's different. it's always sooooo easy for people to say "oh, i would have...." (i'm agreeing with you, CBD, in case it sounds like i'm not. just annoyed at the arrogance of others that think every single person should be able to withstand every single thing the same as every one else. such simplistic thinking.)

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                                                                                                                              KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:47 PM

                                                                                                                              I agree. Applause! I've seen heat stroke and it can be deadly.

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                                                                                                                                chicgail Jan 6, 2012 06:06 AM

                                                                                                                                more applause.

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                                                                                                                                  jcattles Jan 6, 2012 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                  Well said. Heat stroke is not something to screw around with. If Sarah was bad enough, chances are that she couldn't think coherently enough to make the choice. That's when the medics stepped in & "called it".

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                                                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 6, 2012 07:10 AM

                                                                                                                                  Pookipichu: Huh? So you think that all people in a given experience react to environmental conditions the same? Seriously? You can't "tough out" heat stroke. You either get it or you don't. Once you get it, you can actually die from it. So, yeah, guess she should have toughed it out if that's what she had.

                                                                                                                                  I don't have a problem with Ed. Combine probable pissy mood from the heat and exhaustion and stress with editing, and I give him a pass. I don't blame Sarah, combine may have been heat exhaustion with possible anxiety of wanting to get back to the competition, who knows...I DO "blame" the editing. I think they wanted to create drama because they lost the Heather/Bev angle.

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                                                                                                                                    Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                    Sarah has the right to withdraw, rest, go to the hospital, etc. I was being sarcastic when I said she is a "Texan" and should have been able to push through it. What bothered me was what I viewed as an unfair piling on Ed. His reaction was far from perfect but it was hardly villain-worthy.

                                                                                                                                    Of course people react differently in the same environmental condition. However, she's not the only person who is overweight, tired and hot and you can see how the other contestants fared in a similar circumstance. People are creating fantasy scenarios, she had asthma, she had blah blah. She said she didn't feel guilty but she really did, etc. She came back and she was just trying to help. Where did Saint Sarah come from? I see no villains or angels on this show.

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                                                                                                                                      Joanie Jan 6, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                      She *said* she had asthma. I'm not sure why so many people didn't hear that.

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                                                                                                                                lbs Jan 5, 2012 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                I can kind of see his side. She got back and it seemed like immediately started second guessing how they were setting up the line and how there were serving her chicken. At that point Ty and Ed had been up and working for a crazy long time in the heat. I would of been snappy too.

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                                                                                                                                  Indy 67 Jan 5, 2012 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                  "Immediatly started second guessing..." That's certainly the story line the editors created, but we have no way of knowing how much time really elapsed between her arrival and her focus on her chicken or her comments about the way they were serving.

                                                                                                                                  We're simply missing too much information to come to any valid conclusion about Sarah's return to the challenge.

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                                                                                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 5, 2012 07:46 PM

                                                                                                                                  Did you miss the part where she tries to rearrange the station... right before service? Or conveniently forgetting that...

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                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 5, 2012 08:16 PM

                                                                                                                                    It seems he might have . ;-)

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                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:33 PM

                                                                                                                                      she was TRYING to figure out how to help. that they had already set it up and didn't want her to mess with their system is understandable, but she was trying to get in there and help. sheesh.

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                                                                                                                                        Phaedrus Jan 6, 2012 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                        That is the point. She was coming in after things had been set up, you would think that she could just let them know she was there and ask: where do you want me? Rather than just barge in and bash away at her own dish. That is rude and comes off, as Ed surmised, opportunistic.

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                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                          call it over-compensating, or over-enthusiastic. i saw it as her trying to help, get back in there and be part of the team. maybe she didn't read the situation right, but to me she doesn't come off as someone who's only out for herself and opportunistic.

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                                                                                                                                            LurkerDan Jan 6, 2012 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                            That's how I saw it too.

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                                                                                                                                              Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                              your excuses for Sarah are repetitive and tired... you like her, got it.

                                                                                                                                              In reply to the body reacting same etc., if she has a medical condition that prevents her from being able to compete normally in conditions that 8 other people are able to endure, she shouldn't be in the competition.

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                                                                                                                                                LurkerDan Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                I don't actually like Sarah all that much (don't think you were referring to me), but your responses run contrary to medical science. The simple fact that the 8 other people endured those conditions says nothing about whether she has a medical condition that prevents her from competing. Different people react to things differently. Heck, the same person might react to the same conditions differently at different times. Heat stroke is a serious condition that must be addressed. And, while it's likelihood can be mitigated by things like hydration, it cannot be predicted with any certainty. Run this same competition under the same conditions 10 times, and you might find different contestants fall prey to heat stroke at different times.

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                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 6, 2012 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Here's a different take on her:
                                                                                                                                                  http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.c...
                                                                                                                                                  (Look at post#46 manually if the stupid CH software bug mangles the ampersand in the url)
                                                                                                                                                  (OR: go to the url in the browser address bar and remove the "amp;" (without the double quote marks) after the &)

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                                                                                                                                                    Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                    I'm neutral on all of the contestants except the Chris's. Bad hair bad. Good hair good.

                                                                                                                                                    But at what point does a person take responsibility for her own body and her own choices? If I want to run a marathon, I know I'm not physically prepared for it. Should everyone cater to me? Should they be understanding and sympathetic if my lack of fitness interferes with other participants? Should they treat me specially if I'm overweight? This is a competition on a reality TV show, not a basic human right.

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                                                                                                                                                      debbiel Jan 6, 2012 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                      She was treated because she was ill not because she was overweight. As has been pointed out on this thread numerous times, which you have apparently missed despite your neutrality, illness from extreme heat happens to people of all fitness levels.

                                                                                                                                                      Odd that a chef in one of Chicago's finest restaurants would think she would be physically able to compete in a cooking competition.

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                                                                                                                                                        chowser Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                        She's not a marathoner, she's a chef. There is no criteria that you be able to work that long, under those conditions, every time. No matter how a marathoner might train, you never know how your body will respond at different times, even under the same conditions. Marathoners drop out of races, even seasoned ones. If Sarah were on Survivor, I'd agree w/ you that she should be in great shape. But, she's on Top Chef. Are you saying that every reality contestant on every show should be physically fit?

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                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 6, 2012 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Top Chef has never had as physically demanding elimination challenges as those that have occurred this season. Previous season's challenges were a cakewalk compared to this one.

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                                                                                                                                                        monavano Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I've seen seasoned runners, in superlative condition, fall to heat stroke. You just do not know who it will happen to.
                                                                                                                                                        Heat stroke is serious. Deadly even. It could have happened to any of them.
                                                                                                                                                        Sam Talbot is a diabetic. Should he have been eliminated as a contestant?

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                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                              Don't forget - Ty-Lor had to go to the hospital when he cut himself. So perhaps he's more sensitive to leaving the team. (Yes, I know - he didn't leave until AFTER service was over, but it's a possibility that is what he was thinking.)

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                                                                                                                                                soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                excellent point.

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                                                                                                                                              Indy 67 Jan 5, 2012 03:02 AM

                                                                                                                                              "Yes, you had heat stroke..." Actually, I think Sarah was having asthma problems brought on by the heat/cooking conditions. I don't have a recording of the show so I can't watch to confirm, but I'm reasonably confident Sarah mentioned something about struggling with asthma after a night spent breathing smoke.

                                                                                                                                              Sorry folks, but if Sarah's breathing was compromised with an asthma attack, I'm with Sarah on this one. People can and do die from asthma with some frequency. Sarah's weight is a complicating factor. As her body coped with reduced lung function, it put a strain on her heart and shot her blood pressure up. Again, assuming the word "asthma" really was the medical diagnosis, Ed comes off as spectacularly quick to judge without any information.

                                                                                                                                              Sarah certainly didn't cover herself in glory by her behavior when she returned based on what we saw. But what didn't we see? Did Sarah explain what knocked her out medically? Did she apologize? Obviously, she actually made comments about her own chicken since the editors couldn't invent words which were never spoken, but what other things were said or done? How much of our disapproval of Sarah's later behavior is the result of editing and how much is based on seeing everything that really happened?

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                                                                                                                                                debbiel Jan 5, 2012 04:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                "But what didn't we see?" I think this says it all. The whole thing felt very manipulated to me, both Ed and Sarah's responses in it. It felt like very heavy handed editing to me.

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                                                                                                                                                  KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 05:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Sarah did say she was short of breath after a night of standing over the smoke, so asthma probably did play a part. I think she also got dehydrated, with weight, heat, and not drinking enough water all playing parts. I feel for her up to that point. After she showed up and served the judges, then took off again, though, I lost a lot of my sympathy.
                                                                                                                                                  I was sad to see Malibu go.

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                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 5, 2012 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Asthma problems - could be; yet it wasn't clear (to me) on reflection if it was shallow breathing or heavily constricted airways - or both - that was her "having difficulty breathing". Certainly she should have gone to the hospital, especially after the medic's call for The Cavalry.

                                                                                                                                                    Yet that fact does not negate Ed Lee's reaction, which was pissed-off-dom. Completely undestandable, IMO. How he (and Ty-Lor Boring) handled it is an associated (but distinct) matter for discussion. No matter how it was edited, the fact remains that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. were now *seriously* shorthanded. They took the decisions they thought best under the circumstances, such as pre-cutting the brisket etc, which in hindsight (ah, 20/20 vision) was not the way to go; or the "assembly-line" procedure which they worked out so that they could do with four hands what the other groups had six hands for.

                                                                                                                                                    Then Sarah Grueneberg turning back up, trying to commandeer her chicken back (and, seemingly, being interested only in her chicken), then chucking it all after serving the judges their plates and copping out again without feeling guilty at all - eh, it did raise my eyebrows. Why not go with the flow at that point - because after all, even though you did need medical attention, you were not there to help decide of how your chicken was finished off** and how service was to be handled.

                                                                                                                                                    [** ...and, after all, Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. didn't abandon it. Notwithstanding the faults it had, folks/judges said it tasted good even if it was more like grilled chicken, etc...]

                                                                                                                                                    I wonder if it had been possible to keep in touch with "base camp" by phone? If so, and she was able to, it might have been an idea to keep Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. informed of her status - perhaps it might even have been possible that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. might have decided differently about pre-cutting their meats or not, or maybe just some of it, or kept their service plan more flexible (so inserting Sarah G. back into the flow might seem - to an armchair critic - more easy to do), or....??

                                                                                                                                                    Whether there was another way to do it, or whether Tom Colicchio and Co. would have cheerfully suffered standing in a long, probably slow-moving line (as Phaedrus alluded to above) without penalties being assessed against them, would be corollary arguments. Methinks Tom Colicchio *would* have faulted them for "inefficiency", "not adapting to being short-staffed", "unacceptably keeping their customers hungry and waiting for food" - while saying that they as ECs should be able to do this, blah blah blah. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

                                                                                                                                                    Editing, editing...yeah, yeah... Heh, let's see if this Sarah G. - Ed L. feud goes anywhere, or if Sarah G. and/or Ed L. each gets a "better edit" in subsequent episodes. :-) ;-P

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                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Nicely done, huiray. I think you hit all of the major points.

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                                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 5, 2012 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks. It's a complicated issue.

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                                                                                                                                                        John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                        One point I would like to add is that in my opinion the producers of Top Chef are negligent. They should have provided an air conditioned RV for them to be able to get out of the heat. Or at least provided them with the football sideline fans with attached misting devices. The chefs did not appear to have anyplace to get out of the heat. They had their own small RVs in which they were cooking but they did not appear to be air conditioned. This season is by far the most physically brutal Top Chef season we have seen. They should strive to never surpass it in terms of how physically demanding it is.

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                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                          I wondered about those football sideline mist blowers, too! Texas is as big on football as it is on BBQ so they must be quite familiar with them. I'm surprised that whoever is supposed to be watching out for liability issues didn't insist on some sort of cooling off place like a walk in reefer or devices.

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                                                                                                                                                            moto Jan 5, 2012 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                            the producers were intentionally introducing and element of physical risk and danger, a la 'survival' -- anyone who has worked in emergency/trauma medicine in the areas of the country that get up in the heat index gets to see plenty of victims during the 'cook out' season, especially occasions like 4 July or Labour day.

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                                                                                                                                                              John E. Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I understand that the heat was an important element in this contest. I just think it was a risk the producers should not have taken. While some other 'reality' shows are based on physical prowess this one general is not.

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                                                                                                                                                                LurkerDan Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                We don't know for sure that they did not have access to AC. But even if the Rvs were air conditioned, they might still have remained outside much of the time because, after all, that's where the pits are. And RVs are not very good spaces to cook in, Bev's attempt notwithstanding. To throw around the accusation of negligence without knowing the facts seems a bit rash.

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                                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 6, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  I was reading TWoP and one of the posters pointed out that on past seasons they had no air conditioning units around during filming (including at the sequester house) because it interferes with the body mikes and sound recording devices...So I wonder...

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                                                                                                                                                                    monavano Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes? That makes no sense.
                                                                                                                                                                    I believe the Chopped studio has no AC because many of the contestants sweat like pigs.

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                                                                                                                                                                      huiray Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I remember reading about it elsewhere too. Same issue re: the AC (none) on Chopped and the sound mikes. It's the low hum and/or the low-frequency effect of the whooshing air, something like that, I think. Sweating doesn't interfere (It's intrinsically silent) - moaning or vocalized distress is a separate matter. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                        acgold7 Jan 6, 2012 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        That's exactly right. All TV studios/stages have heavy duty AC but it's usually turned off during recording. Most well-known exception is Letterman -- he keeps the place like an icebox but it's in a real Theatre so the effect of the moving air is mitigated. And they chill it down all day before the audience arrives.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Bart Hound Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes?
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                                                                                                                                                                        Sweating doesn't make noise for you does it? If it does, see a doctor immediately!

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                                                                                                                                                                          acgold7 Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          >>>And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes? <<<

                                                                                                                                                                          Only in movies about undercover cops and the Mafia. These days, anything that could be adversely affected by moisture is usually not in contact with skin. Mics themselves are usually clipped to a piece of outerwear at the collar or upper buttons, and the transmitters are usually belt-clipped to the back of the pants between the t-shirt and outer coat.

                                                                                                                                                                          It's not always this way, but moisture is less of an issue than you'd think.

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                                                                                                                                                                      moto Jan 5, 2012 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      the reality shows have paid staff to assess risks to the non-professional performers they're employing, and control liabilities with signed agreements with the participants. Having three cooks prepare seven dishes x 300 fressers is physically daunting in itself, and simply doing physical work outside in a heat wave while exposed to exhaust fumes carries more than a little health risk on its own. why wouldn't the producers include all of that in their calculus of entertainment/exploitation ?

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                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 5, 2012 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      “the producers were intentionally introducing and element of physical risk and danger, a la 'survival'”

                                                                                                                                                                      I’m pretty sure the producers did not deliberately introduce a heat wave into the competition. They may have been ok with one showing up, but they can not control the weather. Sure, it’s going to be hot in Texas in the summer but last summer was hot beyond anything in recent history. Logistically, the challenges (judges, hotel rooms, etc.) were set up long before anyone showed up in Texas. If those BBQ pits weren’t already there, they were probably built for the challenge not knowing it would be 100+ degrees. My guess is that the trailers were air conditioned or else they would have been so hot the meats could have been cooked in them. I’d also be willing to bet there was plenty of Gatorade or the equivalent on the sidelines (not on camera – you gotta pay for that privilege) and, as there’s always a medic on site (for the inevitable cuts), there would have been someone harping on the contestants to “stay hydrated”. That much being said, those who heeded those words most probably did better with the heat. Those who might be in better physical shape might also do better in the heat. So as to NOT open a can of - going off on a tangent - worms, I will first point out that I am a “man of size” whose size alone would probably leave me at a distinct disadvantage in that heat.

                                                                                                                                                                      So Sarah crashes and is taken to the hospital. Ed kinda freaks – initially there’s concern for Sarah and, to just a little lesser degree, concern for himself. At the time, there was no idea that both bottom teams would end up at judges table so he’s got to be thinking, “…if we’re on the bottom, Ty has immunity and Sarah… well Sarah isn’t even here so where does that leave me?” The heat and lack of sleep is getting to everyone. Ed has all but (knowingly) thrown in the towel by slicing the brisket early and along comes Sarah looking… well… downright… perky! The kick to Ed’s head? Instead of asking what she can do to help the team, she really does seem to be preoccupied with her chicken. At that point, knowing that Sarah is not only going to survive but she actually looks well rested and pretty good, Ed loses it. I really think that’s understandable.

                                                                                                                                                                      I also think it’s very understandable for Sarah to have gone to the hospital - she probably wasn't given a choice. As compared to Ty’s cut, she may have actually been in a life-threatening situation. You can not screw with that, period. Feeling no guilt whatsoever about it? Different story. Even if you break your leg in the big football game and then your team loses, you still feel like you let your teammates down. I think Ed would have reacted much differently had Sarah not been so concerned with the chicken and had just asked what she could do to help. Just my very long opinion.

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                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 5, 2012 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I actually just finished watching this episode. When Sarah was being taken away by the medics she did say how bad she felt about letting her team down. And when she returned, she asked what she could do. Ed pretty much blew her off saying they were handling it. So then she did just take care of serving her chicken to the judges and took off without feeling guilty. I think that was more a reaction to Ed's reaction. So they really both took a step down in my opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                        FWIW I assume Sarah will be gone next. As one who has suffered heat exhaustion in the past, it is not something you get over in a day. (Then again, next week is restaurant wars, so at least they'll be indoors.)

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                                                                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 5, 2012 06:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          "I think that was more a reaction to Ed's reaction. So they really both took a step down in my opinion"

                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, I can go along with that. It was a bit like the only thing that might have made Sarah's plight OK in Ed's mind would be if she had to stay in the hospital for days... or worse. He seemed to feel as if he had to sacrifice himself because Sarah wasn't there. He was very frustrated and a lot of his frustration got directed at her. I still think she seemed preoccupied with her chicken - I'll watch it a 3rd time and see if I change my mind... again. You got to admit Sarah looked pretty refreshed when she got back from the hospital and that might have weighed in on Ed as well.

                                                                                                                                                                          I still think the only consistently great chef of the group is Paul (and of course Nyisha). They'll probably be inside in A/C from now on so I don't know if that necessarily puts Sarah on the chopping block. There are still several who have not impressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk Jan 5, 2012 06:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Agreed, Paul & Nyesha seem like the ones to beat. I have to admit TyLor is growing on me though.

                                                                                                                                                                            Beverly? I like Malibu's comment about being book smart, but a few chapters short on common sense.

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                                                                                                                                                                            mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            ZACTLY.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Joanie Jan 6, 2012 04:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I watched the end of the show after reading a bunch of comments. Sarah's return didn't seem as bullheaded as people made it sound. She did ask what she could do before being brushed off by Ed and of course you'd be concerned with the dish you were in charge of. On the other hand, I agree that it's kind of messed up if she really didn't feel any guilt, the sports analogy is a good one.

                                                                                                                                                                            But I disagree with those who think she should have continued working. Her face was beet red and with previous health problems and her weight, she couldn't mess around with trying to "tough it out". And I agree that all these no sleep challenges are dumb.

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                                                                                                                                                                              chowser Jan 6, 2012 04:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I just watched it again because of all the comments. She asked what she could do and it seemed immediately jumped right into rearranging her chicken and her sauce but didn't get involved in anything else, although the editing was pretty choppy then. It also had Ed telling her to put her best five pieces on the side, her not saying anything so Ed repeating it, condescendingly, and she got huffy. You can fault either of them or neither because I'm sure they were exhausted at that point and stressed.

                                                                                                                                                                              I do wonder how stressed Ed must have felt when she left because he knew he was serving his food the wrong way, TyLor had immunity and Sarah was gone and historically, leaving for an injury has made people immune a la Jamie. He might have just been pissed off and uncooperative because of that.

                                                                                                                                                                              I think no sleep challenges are really dumb, too. They're not athletes, there's no reason to challenges that are physically difficult. That TC All Stars one when the contestants had to dive for their conch was beyond the scope of being a chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                JAB Jan 6, 2012 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                BBQing brisket takes an hour per lb. Did you see the size of those briskets? It's an all night thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                            huiray Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Agreed.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Leepa Jan 5, 2012 07:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I hope they learn their lesson about brutal conditions. If Sarah had stayed and been more seriously affected by the heat and perhaps died, they would have a hell of a mess on their hands. Or do the contestant chefs sign off on that before going on the show?

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                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I seriously doubt that kind of waiver (possible death) would have been enforceable, especially not if they saw signs of distress and chose to ignore them, or even allowed her to continue. It could probably be considered "reckless endangerment."

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                                                                                                                                                                                Pookipichu Jan 5, 2012 07:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Not just the heat, but the lack of sleep is really hard to watch. The show is about food, not about torturing contestants and if Top Chef is trying to make the show more "exciting" by doing so, I think it's time to stop watching.

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                                                                                                                                                                                chowser Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't get the impression of asthma at all and she had to take a break again after serving the judges. It was probably a combination of everything, from breathing the smoke all night (which could easily cause non-asthma breathing difficulty) and as the owner of Saltlick said, the final seasoning comes from the cooks' tears so it's a tough process. What bothered me is her attitude that she took off because she needed it, and had no guilt. As part of a team, whether it's warranted or not, if you leave your team, you feel bad about it. Being down one team member, when you only have three, is huge. And, if you've got it planned out to have three, then losing one makes a huge difference. I'm surprised Gatorade didn't get in as a sponsor for this---feeling tired, light headed from heat, down a Gatorade and feel better. That's probably what I would have done if I were Sarah anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 01:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  With regard to her comment about "no guilt", I thought the "elves" must have worked HARD to elicit that comment. Why would she have volunteered that? I mean it COULD have been sort of a defense mechanism, like reaction formation, but even that would have reflected her trying to suppress what she REALLY felt.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    another good point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      pine time Jan 6, 2012 04:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm of average weight, no breathing problems, and I simply do not tolerate heat well. I also get beat red, sweat excessively and have heart palpitations. I'm also from hot and humid South, but never adapated to the temps. So, BMI issues or not, it's not fun, potentially a health problem, and it's not easy to "keep pushing on," altho' that would be my personality, too. Maybe TMI, but it gives me some empathy for her. All that aside, it's about time for Bev to close the book on her one-short-of-a-chapter TC experience.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        twyst Jan 6, 2012 05:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Every summer a few perfectly healthy high school kids die from heat related illnesses when football practices start. Heat affect different people in different ways. Pushing through it is simply not an option.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 6, 2012 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I just figured they asked, "Did you feel guilty about what happened?" and she responded. But, who knows what happens back stage. It's all speculation anyway--do we know she said she felt bad, or that she didn't say she felt bad, etc. Based on what was shown, it seemed that she didn't feel guilty. We could debate everything forever, based on what we don't see but speculate (lol, it does seem like that sometimes!). A Sarah fan could come up w/ all sorts of reasons for her "no guilt" answer; others take it at face value. Similarly with Ed's remark about Heather using his cake. Someone might have brought it up and he agreed; or he holds grudges. We'll never know.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        If Heather really did use Ed's recipe I can see why he'd be annoyed for her not only using them twice but also winning a challenge with it. So what he mentioned it after she left. Big deal. Then Sarah comments she can't trust him because of this? Such contrived conflict.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You take a guy who hasn't slept and is up for elimination since his teammate is immune, who is working in the hot sun and people think he's being surly to Sarah. People would be lucky to have such restraint. Sorry I just see things differently.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 6, 2012 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          We don't really know what Ed said for her to respond with the can't trust him comment. Editing and all that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 01:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            So what do you imagine he said that elicited her comments about him being untrustworthy and dark? Do you think it's ironic that she called him out for not saying anything in front of Heather then bashes him in a confessional? Or is everything okay because she's Sarah.

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                                                                                                                                                                              gaffk Jan 5, 2012 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              That actually resonated with me as well . . . reminded me of a slightly different version that we sang in Girl Scout camp when I was a kid (obviously--can't say I've been to GS camp as an adult ;) Our version was a little cuter though, and was a fave of mom's when she made me sing all the songs I learned at camp.

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                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 5, 2012 05:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                My niece learned all kinds of new songs when she was 12 and went to camp. My sister put her on the wrong bus and she went to Bluebirds camp instead of Girl Scout camp. They figured it out at the end of the third day but by then she had made new friends and everybody just went with it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  bobbert Jan 5, 2012 06:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  If that happened today, the lawyers would have a field day...

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                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 5, 2012 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I was thinking the same thing. Ah, the good old days, when innocent mistakes were, well, innocent.

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                                                                                                                                                                              soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 09:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              i think that ty-lor actually made *compressed* watermelon, which would have been more technical. at least that's what it looked like to me, though they may not have said it in a soundbite that survived editing. maybe they'll post the recipe.

                                                                                                                                                                              totally agree: wrt bbq... except that maybe instead of saying "easy to make" i might say "deceptively simple"-- in a way that will tend to bite the inexperienced.

                                                                                                                                                                              ed came off as a meanie and someone who carries a grudge. i said the same thing about heather-- editing, editing. but the cake? it's a freaking genoise. it isn't *your* recipe, ed... do you want to take credit for angel food cake, too? ;-P

                                                                                                                                                                              like Debbie, i found malibu's paintings creepy

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                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 4, 2012 09:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                The watermelon didn't look compressed to me - it was a little too light colored. Couldn't tell for sure though. On top of that, I still haven't seen a chamber vacuum in the Top Chef kitchen this season. But yeah, compressed watermelon would have been more suited to the challenge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  The Team Top Chef blog has a video clip in which Ty-Lor ways he's going to take a piece of watermelon and put the olive oil concoction on top. He didn't say anything about doing something to the watermelon slice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 12:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  On second time watching, I'm pretty sure I heard him say "pressed watermelon".

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                                                                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 05:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ok I went and looked at the recipes at bravo. Ty-Lor's dish makes no mention at all of compressing the watermelon. You can also get some sense of how he seasoned it.
                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipes/watermelon-with-vanilla-bean-honey-saffron-and-salted-olive-oil-powder

                                                                                                                                                                                    By comparison, Ed's dish featured compressed watermelon and says so clearly in both the title and the recipe directions.
                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                                                    Of course, Bravo is well known for getting the recipes all wrong on their website or leaving out important parts. But more tellingly, in the pictures of the dishes, Ed's watermelon looks compressed while Ty-Lor's does not really. I believe the pictures are of the extra "photo op" plate the chefs made during the competition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 06:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      maybe i just convinced myself that the winning dish couldn't possibly be that simple, in a modernist/molecular quickfire challenge! thanks for following up. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh.....maybe it was Ed that said pressed watermelon...I still haven't learned most of the names. Sorry!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Ed's really does look like a piece of sashimi, whereas Ty-Lor's just looks like watermelon. Thanks, cowboyardee!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Joanie Jan 5, 2012 04:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Ed did seem to hold a grudge and that makes him less likable. Get over the cake already. And Sara obviously had a major issue. Her face was so red it was scary, and with asthma on top of the heat stroke. I've been feeling bad for the chefs in general having to cook during that constant heat wave and drought that was going on in Texas this summer, yuck. But Sara's popping back in and then taking off again wasn't cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Did people notice how everyone is calling Tom "Tom" these days? Maybe being in Texas feels more casual.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I still need to watch the last 30 min of the show, was sad to hear Chris C. was booted, and haven't seen the nudes yet. Right now I'd say the final 3 will be Paul, Tylor and...

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                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I did notice the casual "Tom" from several of the cheftestants, including Chris Crary in LCK. Interesting. On previous seasons, it's almost always been "Chef."

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                                                                                                                                                                                          chicgail Jan 5, 2012 05:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I ate compressed watermelon once in a "modern" vegetarian restaurant in Milan - Michelin starred. It was slimy and weird. I was not a fan. so when I saw Ty-Lor making his dish was not expecting it to go well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        debbiel Jan 4, 2012 08:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for a great recap Linda! Hope you're feeling better soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. C. Hamster Jan 4, 2012 09:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit ... I love you more than life itself!!

                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you !!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            LOL! I'm *just* getting to the thread at lunchtime today at work - and I love you back, C. Hamster!

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm thrilled to get so many exclamation marks. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 09:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            noticed a couple of glaring editing gaffes in the captioning this evening. in one shot that was obviously pitch black early morning, everyone wearing their "head lights..." the caption stated that it was 3 *pm*

                                                                                                                                                                                            in LCK someone spelled one contestants' tuile phonetically, as "twill." LMAO. can we please get someone familiar with culinary terms on set? or at least someone who knows the difference between am and pm?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              acgold7 Jan 4, 2012 09:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I noticed both of those things as well. They need a new graphics person and someone who can proofread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                They need a new graphics person and someone who can proofread.
                                                                                                                                                                                                ~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                i'ver offered my proofreading/editing skills on many a TC thread over the years, but so far no Bravo execs trolling the board have taken me up on it ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ghg, I say we storm the Bravo Castle and demand that Andy jointly give us the proofreading job. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'll bring the holocaust cloak :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      works for me! but it means you have to move back down here :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh yeah. Wait! No I don't! Telecommuniting REMOTE ACCESS for proofreading! Hah. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You might like to read Gail Simmon's blog where she references the guest judge, Nathan Myhrvold. Gail must have dictated it to a staffer with a more limited vocabulary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "About a year ago, he came out with this extraordinary tomb of a book called Modernist Cuisine"

                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/01/05/top...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Interesting that she said that we'd see, "as the show progresses, she (Beverly) takes a very interesting turn." Clearly Beverly doesn't get eliminated next week.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I really liked Gail saying, in her TC blog, that Tom was like her big brother, urging her to "Try this. It's disgusting." :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ratgirlagogo Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          <extraordinary tomb of a book>

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh too funny! Unfortunately EW.com caught the error and corrected it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            ratgirlagogo Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            But right underneath that is:
                                                                                                                                                                                                            <He was the first person to really put down in a comprehensive way all the tenants of cooking>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 01:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Holy crap - really? ::::Head desk::::

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ghg? Quick - our proofreading skills are needed all over the world! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                People who live in cook tents or chow wagons out on the range?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                MplsM ary Jan 5, 2012 04:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ok. That made me guffaw.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 5, 2012 05:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They have not yet caught that one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/01/05/top...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I had noticed both of those as well, and made sure I had noted it was 3AM in my OP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was so tired that when I saw "twill" I thought "WTF is that?" and couldn't come up with tuile. I just scrolled up and thankfully, I didn't add that to the OP. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. huiray Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was slightly disappointed the Fire Brigade didn't turn up to put out an RV burning away in the Texas night. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            note to beverly: if you set the t.v. above the cooktop in an r.v. on fire while cookin' . . . you may be a redneck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              wasn't that a microwave above the cook top?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                wyogal Jan 5, 2012 06:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                yes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              DGresh Jan 7, 2012 05:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              She seemed remarkably nonchalant about the flames licking the cabinets above!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                scubadoo97 Jan 7, 2012 02:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah I was waiting for the trailer to go up in flames. Talk about drama

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  chicgail Jan 7, 2012 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't read her reaction as nonchalant as much as calm. She's seen things on the stove flame before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    DGresh Jan 7, 2012 03:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    but she let it flame that way for a *long* time while it was reaching the cabinets above. I had no problem with her not going nuts, just the not dealing with it (by putting a lid on, taking it outside as she eventually did, or whatever) was what bothered me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 7, 2012 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, the most obvious thing would be to toss a lid or baking sheet on top of it to smother the flames. And yet it took her what...15-20 seconds or so to do so? And even then she didn't do it until she carried the pan OUT of the RV and put it on the grass, and then went to find another large fry pan to put on top of the flaming pot. Odd.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 7, 2012 05:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Very odd, indeed. Good thing the great outdoors was so easily accessible. I wonder what she would have done if she had been in a real TC kitchen. Of course, then the other chefs would have been around and someone would have jumped in to save the building.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 7, 2012 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Didn't someone say in a previous CH thread about her being somewhat of a pyromaniac?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I still say it would have been fun to see the fire trucks pull up with wailing sirens and flashing lights and pour a gazillion gallons of water over an RV shooting flames high into the Texas night... Maybe some of the surrounding BBQ pits would have been flooded out or smashed over in the melee too... :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Phaedrus Jan 7, 2012 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I said that, but I am just basing that on the fact that I have seen her set things on fire a few times this season, of course, it could be those dastardly elves. She did seem oddly mesmerized by the flame. Just saying....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          soupkitten Jan 9, 2012 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LW, i would totally bet that one of the *other* chefs (not beverly) had the brains to put the fry pan on the flaming sauce pan. . . probably impossible to tell from the shot whose hand it is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good point. There really was no way to figure out who it was. Considering how unconcerned Beverly *seemed* to be with flames shooting up while it was on the stove, and then proceeding to carry it *outside* without covering it first, it probably wasn't Beverly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 7, 2012 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Alcohol flames look impressive, but they aren't very intense, so it takes quite a bit of exposure for them to catch less flammable materials on fire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. mariacarmen Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    slightly ironic that the team that wins the bbq challenge went Asian - the first time Beverly didn't, and her attempts at "traditional" bbq sides were underflavored and undercooked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    still liking Paul.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Malibu Chris's paintings didn't so much creep me out as make me wonder why he thought they were good enough to show off on his audition tape. ho-hum, nudes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      susancinsf Jan 5, 2012 06:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree. Perhaps he thought it would show his creative side.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        viperlush Jan 6, 2012 01:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Those paintings kind of creeped me out. And the way that he talked about them and slowly turned the camera. The ones hanging up weren't bad, but I think those leaning against the wall didn't need to be shown on camera. I have no interesting in watching the casting tapes, but I do wonder how long they are and what the chefs do on them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          monavano Jan 6, 2012 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought his paintings sucked. Harsh, I know, but nudity can be done tastefully and he's just doodling breasts like a highschool kid with a boner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lbs Jan 6, 2012 02:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Like a 100xs

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel Jan 6, 2012 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Definitely a bit creeping. The comments about it on the Gawker live blogging thread were pretty funny. Well, in a mean spirited kind of way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 12:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Linda!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel Jan 5, 2012 04:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom blog up: http://www.bravotv.com/top-chef/season-9/blogs/tom-colicchio/the-inevitable-bbq-challenge

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And Hugh blog: http://www.bravotv.com/top-chef/seaso...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joanie Jan 5, 2012 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hugh's pretty funny.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i thought this was his best one yet. he really is a hoot :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bart Hound Jan 5, 2012 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Haven't read Tom's blog yet, but he seemed really angry at the Judges Table when talking to the 2 losing teams.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Going to have to remember to read these tonight at home....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hugh's blog was great!! I didn't realize how funny he really was!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. chicgail Jan 5, 2012 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Was anyone else amused by Moto Chris' t-shirt that said "I eat vegans"?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I liked it and thought it was funny, but I can also see how someone could easily find it offensive. I thought it was a pretty cute tongue in cheek (!) T-shirt, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it was funny - I forgot to note that in my OP (the conversation he had with a diner re: liking the t-shirt).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But I *did* find it odd that Moto Chris said the few vegans who came through the line weren't amused.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ummm...vegans at a Texas BBQ? I'm thinking NOT BLOODY LIKELY!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lbs Jan 5, 2012 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think that he was joking about the vegans coming in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. JAB Jan 5, 2012 06:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Let's talk BBQ. I was shocked to see the contestants had access to a commercial smoker when the Salt Lick is all about cooking over an open pit, with direct heat, and the owner made a point of showing that each team had an open pit to use just like at the Salt Lick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Are the elves trying to get Grayson fan favorite? They sure showed a lot of her personality on this show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Are the elves trying to make Ed the new villain? He had every right to be upset being short handed but, he didn't need to handle it the way that he did.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I knew Sarah was in trouble when she said something along the line of Oooh barbecue! I love grilling! All the hard core barbecue nation denizens all shuddered when they heard that. The hard core barbecue fans use grilling as a term of denigrating someone's barbecue product, as in: That was just grilling, that wasn't barbecue. I think that showed in her chicken. I think it was Nathan who said exactly that, it was just grill chicken.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Outside of being socially immature and odd, I think Beverly is a closet pyromanic. How many times has she had sautee pans go up in flames?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chris Jones is seemingly all talk and no follow through.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Malibu Chris' love of salt finally came back to bite him the butt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am getting less and less patient with Lindsay, it seems she is really good at getting on good enough teams and doing just enough to not be last.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As others have said, the whole Ed/Sarah thing could just be the Elves, but i would be seriously pissed at Sarah for trying to get back in. Not pissed at her for leaving, her health is important, but for coming back in a trying to step in as if nothing had happened. I would have said: Sorry, I had issues, but I am back, where do you need me? Rather than step in and trying to take charge of her dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And I was right about the Salt Lick. For those of you who have not been, you need to go. This is a destination spot. The barbecue is sublime. I did not realize just how big their property was. i also am not sure whether they had build the pits just for Top Chef.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW Linda, the hotel is the Driskill. It is an iconic hotel right on sixth street in downtown Austin. Very historic and very quaint. Time was all the VIPs to Austin stayed there. Can you tell I miss Austin?Kind of hoping they went to Fonda San Miguel too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.driskillhotel.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Right now I am thinking Ty and Paul as finalists. With Ed, and Sarah as possible a possible third.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scubadoo97 Jan 5, 2012 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "....I knew Sarah was in trouble when she said something along the line of Oooh barbecue! I love grilling!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              First words out of my mouth were the BBQ devotes will be all over that comment. I think the editors knew it as well. That's why they put it in there. Get's the heart rate going.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Damn - I had it right last episode (Driskill, not Driskell). Sorry about that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I agree with Lindsay. I don't think she's as good as she thinks she is. She's just been lucky.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That was my feeling about Sara's return, too. She immediately stepped back and considered only her dish. Or, as was shown through the edits (can we stop saying that since it's always the case? I feel like we can't say anything w/out adding that). Was she feeling left out because she didn't ask where she could be of help?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i thought sarah asked where the guys would like her to jump in, as she was putting her apron back on, a few steps back from the service line? (dh immediately quipped: "dishes!" LOL)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    but i got the impression she was apologetically re-inserting herself back into the swing of things and just looking for some direction from ed and ty. perhaps the reason she was "not guilty" about sitting down again after serving the judges had to do w ed biting her head off. and maybe she felt that the only thing she had any ownership of (since she went to the hospital) *was* the chicken, and didn't want to step on ed's toes (further) by making any suggestions, or touching in any way, "his" food(s). just throwing it out there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 12:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      that's what i think - she didn't feel guilty because Ed had made such an issue of her going to the ER.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But Sarah had *no idea* that Ed had made such a deal of her going to the hospital. She had already been taken in the ambulance when Ed started doing set-up and banging chafing dish covers all over the place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser Jan 5, 2012 01:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ed could not be more passive aggressive! Speak up or don't but don't do it behind everyone's back and then not say anything to them. I'm Monday night quarterbacking but why didn't Ed just cut some of the brisket, in case he got in the weeds but then make sure to cut the judges, at least, to order?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            who knows what she was told when she got back, and by who? as we know, we don't know half of what goes on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You really think that the producers would have told her that Ed went bonkers after she was taken to the hospital?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 6, 2012 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think it is more likely that the producers did tell this to Sarah than that the producers kept their mouths shut. Part of their job is to promote conflict among the contestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i don't think it's the producers, i think the other contestants might have let her know that ed was irritated at her. she also didn't need much to figure it out from the reception she got from him. she made mention of it too, about his attitude toward her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 09:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And I'm thinking the other cheftestants would have been busy with their own BBQ and wouldn't have had much time to talk with her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But without seeing the footage that was cut out we don't know. Ain't that always the way? :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      yep! i was just thinking that on her way in, probably she saw another chef or two, or camera crew, or whoever, and they probably turned a head for a quick second to say "You ok?" and "Watch out, Ed's pissed." or something. overactive imagination? but that's what the elves want from us! we make their job of creating drama easy, don't we!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hell, we probably give 'em ideas for the next season. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JuniorBalloon Jan 5, 2012 01:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Same impression here. Those two are gonna tangle. Thought it was interesting that Ed was telling her not to get emotional. Ha! Mr jaw grinder should heed his own words.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chicgail Jan 5, 2012 01:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ed may be one of those people who are fine with anger, but can't handle anger's flip-side: upset or sadness. Not uncommon with men, just as the reverse is pretty prevalent with women.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        khintx Jan 5, 2012 06:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As a Texan I can attest to the fact that when the cheftestants were competing here last summer we were in the middle of one of the longest most severe heat waves (and droughts) in our history. 3 months of triple digit temps....... the 'heat index' soaring upwards of 112-115 degrees. That being said, people were succombing to the intense heat ... and they weren't even standing over red hot brick BBQ pits! I'm actually suprised there weren't more heat related casualties during this season as they have put the chefs outside on a few challenges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This does not excuse Sara's behavior afterwards, just sayin- the heat was deadly here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What struck me right off the bat was that many of the chefs did not understand the difference between BBQing and grilling. Throwing something on an open flame is not BBQing. You need the long hours and smoke to achieve a great BBQ. A lot of the dishes seemed were cooked outside on an open fire but weren't smoked, just grilled.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When the chefs were shopping, I heard someone say "grab some Liquid Smoke!"....... I need to go back and see who that was. I have feeling it was Malibu Chris. And I thought right then, huh? Liquid Smoke? Aren't you going to smoke it over wood overnight???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Beverly I can't explain. How boring is cole slaw and beans? And how simple. How do you screw that up?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mostly, I would like to see some actual competitions one on one. I'm tired of the "you have to cater for 150-300 people" challenges. We have really only gotten a glimpse of how these guys think in the quickfires, and some of them have been pretty dumb. I'd like to see them get to do their own thing. Be creative. Wow me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lastly, as a Texan, I feel it is my duty to tell you that there is more to our cuisine than steaks, BBQ and chili. Honest. I wish they'd give a nod to some of the other great styles, flavors and techniques of cooking that we have here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If Restaurant Wars ends up being two taco joints, I think I'll scream.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 06:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think Paul go it, of course he is from Austin, but he said that he didn't do much barbecue, but he knew enough to get the meats in the smoker early to do it low and slow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            khintx Jan 5, 2012 06:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Did you catch who said they needed to buy Liquid Smoke while they were shopping?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              definitely maibu.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                khintx Jan 5, 2012 06:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's what I thought. Thanks soupk

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm guessing the liquid smoke was for the beans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JAB Jan 5, 2012 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ouch, I missed the liquid smoke thing. Anyone catch the guest judge say that the ribs would have been better off having been boiled? Double ouch!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JuniorBalloon Jan 5, 2012 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That was no ordinary guest judge. I'm sure Nathan and his team have cooked ribs every which way and being a champion BBQ cook himself, knows full well what true BBQ is all about. He was only commenting on what they could have done to salvage what turned out to be bad BBQ.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JAB Jan 5, 2012 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JB, I believe that you missed my point. I was well aware of the judges credentials in regard to BBQ which makes the insult of bringing up boiling the more cutting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  JuniorBalloon Jan 5, 2012 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I did indeed miss that point, my bad :o), and it does indeed twist the knife a bit more. Those ribs must have been really bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Worldwide Diner Jan 5, 2012 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was just wondering if anyone else thought the contest was unfair to Ed and Ty. Wouldn't it be more fair if every team has to sit out a member? Either that or find someone to help Ed and Ty out or give them more time - or they could've automatically booted Sarah because she in effect forfeited.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 07:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i don't think there is any perfect way to deal with the situation. Ed and Ty sucked it up and got the serving done. I don't think Sarah should be penalized for getting sick, that is a very dangerous situation. I also think they should have cut them some slack, like the serving suggestion that they did sliced to order was kind of silly. It was damned if you do and damned if you don't. Like I said previously, the judges would have whaled on them if they had a huge line of people waiting to be served.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                bobbert Jan 5, 2012 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                IIRC, the judges also tried their food LAST. When they sliced their brisket and placed it in the trays, I started thinking let's hope the judges try Ed and Ty's first before it completely dies. Then, Padma, who is apparently turning into a lush this season announces to let's get a drink first (maybe that was Gail). Had they then tried Ed and Ty's BEFORE the others, they might have had a chance.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think Ed was OK in getting pissed only insofar as Sarah recovering enough to be able to take care of her dish.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Finally, how could you not have your shit totally together when it comes to BBQ when we're competing in Texas? Was anyone surprised that there was a BBQ challenge? Have a kick-ass sauce recipe. Know some BBQ sides. Stage in BBQ place back home before heading out to Texas. A heads-up for future contestants: if they do a Top Chef Maine, learn how to cook lobsters.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then, Padma, who is apparently turning into a lush this season announces to let's get a drink first (maybe that was Gail).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  it was Padma. i laughed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It was Padma who said "let's go to the bar!" - I noted it in my OP. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      DGresh Jan 7, 2012 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When they walked in to the screaming music and the crowds, I thought Padma had an "I am dreading this look on her face". Then she said "let's hit the bar". I laughed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    People get injured in restaurant kitchens and have to leave. Or they don't show up. Coping with being shorthanded is something the chefs have to handle. If they made all the teams sit someone out it would unnecessarily screw up the judging and make the 'fairness' even more unfair.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It was indeed unfair to Ed and Ty. But then Top Chef has never been a completely fair competition. From knife draws ("you get to choose all of your ingredients from the cereal isle") to crappy team members ("your team captain is Marcel") to 8 year old judges, TC has always had a major element of luck at play,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And neither of them got even nearly as screwed as Nyesha did earlier this season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Life isn't fair. Why should a TV show be fair? :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I agree - Nyesha got the royal screw.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not to give away this week's winner, but Nyesha is tearing it up in LCK. She's got three notches in her belt already, and if she beats Chris, that would be 4. It would certainly be something to see someone take down 6 or 8 or 10 opponents to get back onto the show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And, as I've noted before, she got the "martyr" edit! Besides winning, what could be better than that? I can think of some folks who were remembered as saints FOREVER for their martyrdom!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser Jan 5, 2012 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Even the people who've lost to her (not saying who won this challenge but the past few weeks) have been gracious about losing to her and all have said she deserves it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Worldwide Diner Jan 5, 2012 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those are all distinguishable from competing with 1 less team member. I know accidents have happened before and they don't stop the competition; however, I don't think any other challenge was this labor intensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It happens, though. Jen Carroll left in All Stars when Jamie left for stitches and there were only two of them, and a million kids to serve. It's hard to say what the fairest way to treat this--Jamie was exempt because she didn't cook. That seems the most unfair to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Those are all distinguishable from competing with 1 less team member."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How so? There are many ways to get screwed over in a competition, and having one less pair of hands during a moderately labor intensive challenge is only one of em.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Explain how either Edward or Ty-Lor got a shorter straw than Nyesha this season. Or for that matter, Jennifer last season who lost her only teammate - Jamie - to injury during a challenge and was sent home that episode. Or Arnold Myint from season 7 whose ideas were praised as he was sent home largely for his partner's contributions to a dish. Or any of the innumerable chefs who just didn't get the piece of meat or equipment they really wanted while another chef did.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Worldwide Diner Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nyesha wasn't screwed over. She didn't check on her own team-mate, that's her own fault. That' as bad as Grayson letting the idiot butcher meat.. It is comparable to Jennifer losing Jamie, which is why I stated that "accidents have happened before and they don't stop the competition; however..." With luck, everyone has the same chances - thus there's nothing inherently unfair. When you are competing short handed - that's unfair. Is there any professional sport that is played short handed unless a team is being penalized?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nyesha wasn't screwed over. She didn't check on her own team-mate, that's her own fault.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nonsense. The food she cooked was universally proclaimed excellent that episode. But she trusted her teammate (notice, it was a teammate, not a subordinate, and said teammate might be insulted and/or thrown off her game if you treat her as though she needs to be babysat) to the ONE task she was assigned and was sent home for it. Furthermore, the problem with the meat was that it was undercooked, which means that even if Nyesha had checked on it, there likely wouldn't have been enough time to fix it. I guaranty you that if they had sliced the chops and grilled them individually at the last minute, they still would have been dinged for it (though I couldn't say for sure whether they still would have lost).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The ONLY way to be ABSOLUTELY certain that your teammate doesn't screw up your dish for you is to just do the whole thing yourself. Sound fair?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She lost and was sent packing through virtually no fault of her own at all. Ed and Ty-Lor merely worked shorthanded, which has happened over and over and over again on Top Chef. And they weren't sent home.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "When you are competing short handed - that's unfair. Is there any professional sport that is played short handed unless a team is being penalized?"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yep. In soccer, the world's most popular sport, if a teammate is injured and that team has already used up their substitutions, said team is just S.O.L.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Worldwide Diner Jan 5, 2012 02:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, I was thinking about red cards but not injuries. I hear what you're saying about treating your team-mate like a subordinate but again, that's something you can influence and control. Also, every team was in the same situation of two chefs producing one dish. In fact, having someone drop out is probably a bonus in that challenge. In this challenge, the teams are not in the same situation. Ed and Ty were one person short and they didn't have a sub. Btw, did you think it was Grayson's own fault to rely on someone else to butcher the tenderloin(?). If so, why is Nyesha any less at fault? I see chowser's response below but I don't buy it. In either case, you can get booted, so you better be more hands on or else you suffer the consequences. As for calling someone's logic nonsense, you know what they say about internet arguments.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Btw, did you think it was Grayson's own fault to rely on someone else to butcher the tenderloin(?). If so, why is Nyesha any less at fault?"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I felt that Grayson could legitimately be faulted for letting someone else break down her meat AND that she got unlucky, maybe even screwed a bit. It is entirely possible both to be partially at fault and to get screwed by outside factors at the same time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I do not feel she got screwed as badly as Nyesha did. The main difference, IMO - Grayson did not HAVE TO allow another chef to do her butchering, whereas Nyesha basically did have to entrust some parts of the dish to her teammate. Also, Grayson didn't go home for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "As for calling someone's logic nonsense, you know what they say about internet arguments."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, but "Balderdash" makes me sound like I'm wearing a top hat and a monocle.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        donovt Jan 5, 2012 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        After you're "balderdash" comment, I will forever picture the monopoly man in my head whenever I read your posts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 09:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          or Mr. Peanut.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 5, 2012 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Nyesha and Dakota were team mates and had a vested interest in each other doing well. Nyesha wasn't her supervisor though I'm sure she's kicking herself for not babysitting, even if Dakota is a professional who has done that job many times. Grayson trusted a competitor whose focus is moving ahead, at the expense of everyone else. So, Nyesha's case isn't as bad as Grayson's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In any professional environment, professional sports aside, people on a team get sick, injured, etc. and you have to finish w/out that person. I've never had a boss say, "Don't worry about the bank deadline because xxxx has been ill."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. amysuehere Jan 5, 2012 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Let's get this straight. Salt Lick is NOT the best bbq in Texas (not even in the Austin area) by a long shot. It is, however, the only place something that large can be staged.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                twyst Jan 5, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                haha yes. salt lick does not holod a candle to Franklin's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe Malibu took the name "Salt Lick" a little too close to heart in making his rubs?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 6, 2012 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You realize there're a couple of double entendres in your comment, right? ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyway, he could practice whatever it is he wants to practice in this direction, or defensive moves if it came to it, now that he gets to spend lots of time with Heather Terhune on a couch again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kubasd23 Jan 8, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh yes, those were planned :) I greatly enjoy my double entendres! bahaha he'll need his defensive moves with Heather around!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                californiabeerandpizza Jan 5, 2012 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I like Beverly's quirkiness and she seems like a very kind and decent person. She strikes me as a very good cook when she is in her comfort zone but gets a little lost when she's not. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the competition but we may get to see her do some interesting cooking while she is around. If I could have any of them cook a meal for me Paul is probably the only one I'd choose before Bev.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To me Ed came off as a whiney, spoiled brat. Suck it up man, you're not the first person to work through the night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Withnail42 Jan 5, 2012 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was routing for Sarah the first few episodes. But her behavior in this one really turned me off.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I missed the first confrontation with Ed about the cake. But she seemed to be really going off on him. Can't fault her for needing medical help. But showing up with a change of clothes and stepping in to only attend to your dish for the judges and then stepping out is pretty low rent. Then to simply write the whole thing off as not feeling guilty is even worse. Her actions reminded me of Jamie from a couple of seasons ago when she opted to go to the hospital and sit out a challenge. Most Chefs would rather pass out on the line then let done their colleagues and ruin a service. Sarah now come across as someone who literally can't take the heat. Thing get tough well then let the others handle things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have to agree with others that Big Tom would not have been happy having to stand in line while Ed hand cut the brisket.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought it was odd that Chris talked about how he likes modern things. He mentions his apartment and they show a clip that only highlights some odd nude paintings he's done. The apartment is never seen just the paintings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Beverly this poor sweet woman is on the wrong show. She would be better suited in Faulty Towers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 5, 2012 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think we need to give Sarah the benefit of the doubt about how she returned and then needed to go sit down. It is likely that she was not fully recovered and pushed herself to return because she did not wish to be eliminated. I understand the resentment from her team however. They did all the work, she shows up and then sits down. However she probably should not have returned so soon. The combination of heat stroke and asthma is not something to take lightly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i agree with this totally. coming back after being in the emergency room in a weakened state - back to that heat - could easily have taken its toll on her again after even a little work. It's telling, to me, that Ty Lor wasn't resentful - true, it could be a combination of his knowing how it felt having gone to the ER himself and also having immunity - but that Ed acted like a child. I get that Ed was tired, hot, and frustrated that because of Sarah he had it much harder, but he made a bad decision, at least in Tom's mind, to pre-slice the meat. (Though I do think Tom would have given them shit for having a long line too - remember how mad he got when the chefs (Season ??) were preparing dim sum in a dim sum restaurant filled with hungry locals?)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LurkerDan Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, but remember that the food was terrible in the dim sum challenge and there wasn't really any excuse for the long waits. I think that Tom might have criticized a little bit, but also recognized that they had an excuse (even if he said that they should still have done better). And if the food was better, that is ultimately what he would have cared about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Withnail42
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The thing with the cake is that Sarah was annoyed that Ed didn't speak up about his recipe (as if it matters?) directly to Heather but then, she didn't say to him that she thought his complaining was annoying. If she expects Ed to speak up when he's annoyed and not say it behind her back, Sarah should do the same. Why didn't she call him on it when he was whining. That said, it's just a recipe. She still made it well. Get over it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Malibu Chris's artistic skills are worst than his barbecue rub skills. He's borderline scary w/ his comments about Padma and then his nude paintings. I wouldn't be surprised to find him in the middle of a sex scandal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        viperlush Jan 6, 2012 01:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        <Malibu Chris's artistic skills are worst than his barbecue rub skills. He's borderline scary w/ his comments about Padma and then his nude paintings. I wouldn't be surprised to find him in the middle of a sex scandal.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Or we'll find out that he is painting pictures of follow contestants and judges.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LurkerDan Jan 6, 2012 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Somewhere in Chicago, Heather just fainted, hoping he was painting her. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pookipichu Jan 6, 2012 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I sensed their blossoming romance as well. Now that they are in the isolation house together, there will be no regrets.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              finally, something we can agree on! ( :

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now that's creepy!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 6, 2012 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And just a visual we don't need.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ROFL! OK, that is just SO not the visual I needed on a Friday night! But well played. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ETA: chowser, I posted my comment before I read yours. GMTA. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 6, 2012 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ugh, as if Leah and Hosea weren't bad enough.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Phaedrus Jan 6, 2012 04:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chris and Heather...plus 8.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 6, 2012 06:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Or minus 10?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 8, 2012 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yikes.... Damn you guys for putting that image in my head!!! Beauty and the Beast!! Yeah yeah, I know I'm mean, but that's what popped into my head, what with all the advertisements for the newly remastered Disney movie. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray Jan 8, 2012 07:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8266... ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 8, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              haha thanks for directing me there, I missed that!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Any thoughts about all the cigarette smoking they are showing us? Seems like a lot for where I am live, and for television (except for Madmen). Is there a lot of smoking in this business? Wouldnt that mess with your taste buds and appettite? ( I used to smoke, but havent in at least twenty years.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I read somewhere that the stress on Top Chef not only caused smokers to smoke more, several non-smokers picked up the habit while competing. I used to smoke, too, and think I would have been smoking during ALL my free time - stress, interpersonal conflicts, boredom, isolation from friends and loved ones, and drinking are all good reasons to smoke (if you're a smoker). I also smoked whenever I really had to think hard about something, like final exam research papers, and the cheftestants are facing a final exam every week!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Especially since they're not allowed to bring in books, magazines, or ANYTHING. They can drink, eat, sleep, shower, talk and smoke. That's pretty much it in the TC House. No phones, no outside contact via Internet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 01:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I knew about the no magazines or outside contact, but really?? No books??? OMG I would go absolutely nuts!!! I read about a book every couple days, not only for entertainment, but as a stress reliever!! wow, that was a lot of punctuation, but I guess that shows how strongly I feel about this. What would it hurt to read a book?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To the best of my knowledge, from what I remember reading in an interview with a former cheftestant early on in the series, they get nothing to read. But this person also said they're SO dead tired and are sleeping or are planning with their team for the next service, that there's really no time to read books.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    there is also a strict no written recipe rule during the contest, & the book ban would help to prevent people from sneaking in cheat sheets. wonder if ty had to put the books he won in a locker or something until the end of the show!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That would be an Al Gore lockbox.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 02:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good point, sk.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sk and Linda, good points! I think just the idea of having no books (me being someone who NEVER goes anywhere without a book) is just violating the 8th amendment to me!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 5, 2012 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Have you noticed over the seasons that we see some contestants writing in a journal? I remember the infamous "fried chicken oyster on the half-shell" incident of TC All-Stars where Richard Blaise let Mike Isabella look at his journal and Mike stole his idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If I were a contestant I would memorize some dessert recipes and as soon as possible write them down in a journal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 04:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yyyyup. i would do the same thing. ideally you can reach right into your head for the recipe/ratio, though----- that way, no sneaky-mike types can crime your plan. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 5, 2012 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ideally, that would be the way to go for a cake but for a more complicated dessert I'd still write it down before the stress of competition possible caused you to forget. One of the preparations these chefs should do is to thoroughly read Ratio by Michael Ruhlman, at least the baking part of it. I have not actually seen the book, but I might check it out the next time I'm at a bookstore.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm the same about reading. I take a book everywhere with me and read one every two or three days. I would go out of my mind without a book. You'd think that the TC gang could at least provide a library for the cheftestants. It wouldn't cost a fortune and could be used from one season to the next for years. I can see outlawing cook books or books that have recipes, but if the editors were to put it together they could exclude anything that they thought might give someone the edge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Right there with you kubasd23 and KailuaGirl. I can't stand being bored so I always take books and magazines with me where ever I go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Miss Needle Jan 5, 2012 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the producers set it up this way so that the contestants have nothing else better to do than drink. Drunk = drama = ratings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 06:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              oh I love the library idea! That'd be a contraband-free way for them to read :) I have to agree with Miss Needle a bit, that seems a pretty likely scenario. I'm bored..... guess I'll drink (and do something dumb)!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No rule against reading and drinking at the same time. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kubasd23 Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is true.... a good wine and a book are best friends!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Throe in a loaf of bread, and put us under a bough, and we're perfectly set to go! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen Jan 6, 2012 05:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i'd need some cheese, too....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 06:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry, I missed the earlier lack of a chunk of cheese. Can't do the Omar thing without it. :-) Can't do a decent wine relaxation thing without it, either. :-) I so love the Rubaiyat (sp?) in all of its requirements.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks, mariacarmen! Many a happy toast to you. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen Jan 7, 2012 03:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          and to you, KG.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Withnail42 Jan 6, 2012 04:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's exactly what they do. Get a bunch of bored stressed, sleep deprived high strung people(already screened for good conflict value) together and 'Watch what happens!'...good times.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          moto Jan 5, 2012 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          tobacco/nicotine is a tried and true therapy for high stress, no-sleep situations, and the social tide against it didn't really shift until the 70s/80s. plenty of smokers and drinkers in the food and bev /hospitality trades.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ChefJune Jan 5, 2012 12:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            <tobacco/nicotine is a tried and true therapy for high stress, no-sleep situations,>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually, Tobacco/nicotine has been proven to be exactly the opposite. It is no therapy. It adds to the stress.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That said, yes, there are a large number of smokers among chefs and other restaurant workers. There are also many who don't...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chicgail Jan 5, 2012 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I know that chefs are frequently smokers, but it always seems so odd, given that smoking messes up your palate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Actually, Tobacco/nicotine has been proven to be exactly the opposite. It is no therapy. It adds to the stress."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ___________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Source? I know it's a stimulant and causes the physical discomforts of addiction, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make stressed out smokers feel better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I mean, I know nicotine is an awful drug that does terrible things to the body. But it seems like it's now common to make just about any negative assertion about it, even ones that fly in the face of the experiences of millions of smokers and ex-smokers the world over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Suffice to say that the smoking chefs subjectively feel more relaxed and also more alert in their sleep-deprived state with the aid or a little vitamin N?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scubadoo97 Jan 5, 2012 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nicotine has both a stimulatory effect from increased release of acetylcholine in nerve endings AS WELL as a relaxation effect due to the increased release of dopamine. Nicotine also increases endorphins which can help you deal with stress.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here is an easy to read explanation http://science.howstuffworks.com/nico...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chicgail Jan 5, 2012 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    <Nicotine has both a stimulatory effect from increased release of acetylcholine in nerve endings AS WELL as a relaxation effect due to the increased release of dopamine.>>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And studies have shown that people smoke in such a way that they get either the stimulatory or the relaxation effect that they are smoking for.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Miss Needle Jan 5, 2012 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As a former two pack a day smoker, nicotine certainly helped me with stress and kept me up when I needed it. But I'm so glad I kicked the habit a long time ago, especially with the cost of cigarettes these days. More money for chow!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm a former 2 pack a day smoker, too. I even went up to 3 right before and right after my father died (but I also slept very little so was awake to stress and smoke). I haven't had a drag in 6 years and am so happy, but cigarettes were a great stress buster for decades. I still miss smoking, and if not for all the horrid health hazards would start again today. Having said that, never again I hope.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. Jan 5, 2012 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My father says he quit smoking for a year when he was 14. He was a three pack a day smoke, actually, he burned up that many, he left them smoldering in ash trays all over the place, He quit during the first Minnesota Don't Smoke Day in 1974 and always said he would start smoking again when he turns 80. He turns 80 next week. Several years ago we got him to promise that he was only joking and that he would not start up again. I am confident that he will not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a former smoker, and I'm pretty sure you'd see me smoking like a fiend if I were on the show. Perfect combination of stress, isolation, and long stretches of stewing with nothing else to do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  At any rate, I know far too many skilled professional cooks who smoke to buy too heavily into the notion that it ruins your palate and puts you at a serious disadvantage.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joanie Jan 5, 2012 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I guess the smoking is in the part of the show I still need to watch, hasn't been too prevalent on previous Top Chefs tho has it? No one smokes like they do on Kitchen Nightmare, there's like 2 chefs per season who don't smoke on that idiotic show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Withnail42 Jan 5, 2012 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Other than knowing about his book I was not really familiar with Nathan Myhrvold prior this episode. Talk about a slacker...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    From Tom's blog:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    'You may be asking why we had the first chief technology officer at Microsoft as a judge on Top Chef. Simply put, he’s an expert at BBQ and a great choice for this challenge. I’ve known Nathan Myhrvold for years… since he was at Microsoft, in fact. He has a very, very bright and inquisitive mind and is a real Renaissance man, excelling in all he does. He started college at age 14 (not a typo), has worked on quantum theories of gravity as a postdoctoral fellow at Cambridge under Stephen Hawking, and his areas of expertise range from paleontology to technology to barbeque to applying scientific principles to cooking, to geoengineering. Geoengineering? He’s figuring out how to reverse global warming. Really. Oh, and he’s also figuring out how the creation of clouds at will can ameliorate drought and hunger. Meanwhile, his barbeque took the top prize att he world championship of barbeque in Memphis. He brought his trademark enthusiasm and intelligence to our challenge this week, and it was an honor and a pleasure to have him with us.'

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Holy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Effing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      CRAP.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Phaedrus Jan 5, 2012 10:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        THAT, my friends, is a polymath. Something I aspire to, someday. Don't have the intellectual horsepower though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JAB Jan 5, 2012 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Don't feel bad, I wasn't even aware of the cook book. With all of that going on, he seemed rather unassuming which is nice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bart Hound Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Agreed. He seemed like a geeky guy who was just happy to be treated as an equal by the cool kids. Lo and hold, he's smarter and richer than everyone who's ever watched Top Chef. Combined!!!! ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Contrast his attitude and accomplishments with anyone on the Real Housewives shows! He could act like deservedly act like a diva but doesn't. They've done nothing yet act like the world revolves around them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              twyst Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, he is a very nice guy despite all his accomplishments. He's a frequent poster on another forum I frequent and he is always more than happy to help people answer questions they are having.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JAB Jan 5, 2012 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                All the more impressive!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bart Hound Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What's the forum? Astrophysics? Food? Computers? Mating habits of the Kirtland's Warbler? Could be damn near anything with this guy!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    His posts on egullet are very friendly, helpful and informative. He is personally responsible for developing a sizable proportion of what the English-speaking world knows about cooking sous vide and personally identified and addressed many issues with that technique that i'd never seen addressed elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There is, however, the ethical minefield of patent trolling... but best I can tell from thousands of his actual posts, he's just a very nice and helpful guy with a staggering degree of intellectual curiosity.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      twyst Jan 5, 2012 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yep, wasnt sure we were allowed to mention other food forums here, but he is a fountain of knowledge @ egullet. The whole idea for the Modernist Cuisine books (which are even more amazing than advertised) came from a thread on sous vide cooking there about a decade ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        cool! is that thread linkable?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          twyst Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            soupkitten Jan 5, 2012 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            thanks ever so much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      huiray Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attack
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.techdirt.com/search-g.php?cx=partner-pub-4050006937094082%3Acx0qff-dnm1&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=intellectual+ventures
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/voraci...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  acgold7 Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And yet he still can't pronounce "maltodextrin" or "lecithin".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    twyst Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ha, I too was taken aback at his pronunciation of malto.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am copying that to my next favorite forum!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. twyst Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Watched last nights episode in the bar of the restaurant paul is the exec at last night. Food was fantastic as always, hope he keeps up his winning ways.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Eater and the Houston Press blog are up. Both are really funny! I wish I knew how to add them in here, but someone will do it. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here you go. :-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://eater.com/archives/2012/01/05/top-chef-texas-episode-9-this-bbq-is-the-pits.php
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          yessss! Thank you! I was hoping someone would post that because for some reason I can never remember the websites, doh!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 5, 2012 05:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Maybe that's okay but whatever you do don't go into Chris' basement, or you will be putting lots of lotions on the skin or getting the hose again."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Sex in the mouth? She sounds like a Dutch prostitute listing prices. "It ten Euros for sex in the mouth.""

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            hahahahaha!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 5, 2012 06:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              BOTH of those lines were great! I love those synopses!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joanie Jan 6, 2012 04:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for posting. Kailua Girl, it's helpful if you actually insert the links when you announce the blogs are up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 6, 2012 09:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Had I known how I would have done that. That's why I said "I wish I knew how to add them in ...." I'll try next time, using Linda Whit's direction below, if I see them first and they're not up here, but if that doesn't work (I'm bad at that kind of computer stuff) I'll just keep my mouth shut.