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Top Chef Texas - Ep. #9 - 01/04/12 (Spoilers)

NOTE: This is a 76 minute episode tonight!

Well, we're back. Not feeling all that great, but I'll muddle through. So, what do we have going on tonight? Looks like molecular gastronomy and a BBQ Pit War.

They're back at the Driskell and the chefs are saying they couldn't believe Heather went home; that she fought really hard for it. Beverly dryly said "Oh yeah, she fought for it." Edward noted that Heather had won two competitions on his recipe; Sara thought that he should have had the balls to say it to Heather when she was there.

Next thing we know, there's a knock on the door. A room service guy comes up with a table full of "Modernist Cuisine" by Nathan Myhrvold....an encyclopedic set of books on how to approach all cuisine with a modern mindset, per Edward. There is a note from Padma telling them this is their homework for the evening and that they should study up. They start thumbing through the books wondering what should be studied. Chris Jones said it's not all about molecular gastronomy, but a lot of it is classic techniques. Beverly seems to be the only one who stayed up extra-late going through them.

They arrive at Le Cordon Bleu and see Padma and Nathan Myhrvold as their judges. He explains that the modernist movement is learning new techniques to delight the people who eat the chef's food, and that MG is only a small subset. But it's really about creativity.

The winner of the QF who best illustrates modernist cuisine will get immunity AND a set of Modernist Cuisine. They have 45 minutes to cook. Chris Jones is hoping he pulls this one out. Everyone's looking at his work space which is surrounded in mist, per Ty-Lor, and he's got a lot of nitro going on. When they're done cooking, he's pleading to the camera to at least be in the top group.

Oops! Beverly spurts curry cream on Padma and Nathan, who says "that's a very modernist thing, but we're not used to having food served on us!" She then steps on a pile of dirty dishes and is half-laughing/giggling throughout her cleanup. Double-Oops! Edward says he respects her as a chef and a person, but she *is* a bit of an oddball. :-) Nathan ends up telling her how to use the foamer.

Oh LORD Sarah's Breakfast Raviolo, Pancetta, & Egg Yolk dish looks heavenly! Chris Crary's dish seemed to be well received by Padma and Nathan. Chris Jones goes into an explanation of "miracle berry" and how it changes your palate, and Nathan interjects that he grows it in his basement. Chris said "I would love to visit your basement!" But he didn't really DO anything - he just fed them a miracle berry before they ate.

Bottom group - Paul, Beverly, and Grayson
Top group - Ty-Lor, Sarah, and Chris Jones

The winner is? Ty-Lor! (I'm kind of glad Chris Jones *didn't* win, since he didn't really do anything for it!)

For the Elimination Challenge, they're moving from modern to traditional - BBQ! And Padma notes that Nathan took first place in the World BBQ Championships in Memphis, TN. Wow! They're asked to split themselves into 3 teams of three. The teams are:

1. RED TEAM - Sarah, Edward, and Ty-Lor
2. BLUE TEAM - Lindsay, Paul, and Grayson
3. WHITE TEAM - Beverly, Chris Jones, and Chris Crary

The last team of Beverly and the two Chris's just seem to be formed by default, as the other two teams seemed to shy away from Beverly.

They will be serving BBQ for 300 guests at the Salt Lick. For this challenge, they'll have all night to cook - chicken, beef brisket, and pork spareribs, and two sides have to be on the plates for service. Each team will have $1000 at Whole Foods and $1000 at Restaurant Depot. That's a LOT of protein they're buying at Restaurant Depot!

They show up at Salt Lick, and Ty-Lor said you can smell the BBQ getting out of the cars. The owner, Scott Roberts, shows them around the pits, tells them a lot about how they do the cooking. They then get a chance to try Salt Lick's BBQ out.

The owner climbs into his Toyota Tundra that's filled with logs, and everyone heads over in their Toyota Siennas to the BBQ pits (figured I'd help the marekting people along by mentioning the Toyota brands!). He tells them the pits are exact recreations of what they saw in Salt Lick's cooking area. They get to work around 10:15pm.

Ty-Lor pastes a handwritten sign on the RV "If this RV is a-rockin', don't come a-knockin." :-) While Ty-Lor knows he's got immunity, he wants to redeem himself from the steak episode. He wants to put that behind him. Sarah tells Edward how she wants to onions grilled, and Edward walks away grumbling "don't tell me how to effin' cook!" And Crary's wearing a wife-beater....he says it doesn't match his shoes, and thanks Lindsay for pointing it out.

Beverly heads inside and tells Chris Crary the bourbon's almost reduced. Chris C. tells her to be careful with reducing bourbon - sure enough, she walks in and it's flaming HIGH. Meanwhile, no one seems to know what's going on...but she leaves the fire going and she eventually sets off the fire alarm. She carries the pot outside still flaming. (Why wouldn't she just have put a lid on it inside?) She eventually puts a saucepan on top to put out the flames.

Paul's being the leader of the Blue Team; at 3:00am, Chris Jones comes over to say that someone's brisket in foil is "on the ground" in the smoker - that seems to be the Blue Team's brisket, and the weight wasn't distributed evenly. They were wrapped well, but they lost hours of cook time.

Chris Jones is making Beer Can Chicken starting around 6:30am. And later he's talking to the chickens on the grill after they've been working all night. The sun starts to come up, and they're all getting REALLY hot. And here comes Tom Colicchio to talk with the teams.

He starts with the White Team - they've got the beer can chicken, and a Dr. Pepper and coffee glaze for the ribs. Then off to the Red Team - and Ty-Lor notes that they've got Texas, Memphis and Kansas City all represented on their team. The chicken has Sarah's sweeter TX-style sauce, Ty-Lor's got the ribs dry-rubbed with a spicy rub, and then sauced KC-style, and Edward has the Memphis-style vinegary brisket. He then heads over to the Blue Team, they brined the chicken and ribs with orange and fish sauce, and Paul notes that they're going more Asian with a rub that has yellow curry. Grayson is wicked tired and tells Tom C. it's going to be like sex in the mouth. Tom looks a bit embarrassed, and says "Oh. OK. Cool." :-) He also tells them that the winning team will get $15,000.

Did Chris Jones just say "Winner Winner Chicken dinner"????? GAH. ::::hoorrrrrrrkkkkk:::::: STOP THAT! No Food Network crap here!

Sarah heads inside and says she needs a medic. She's VERY flushed and says to the medic that she has hot and cold chills, and she's on oxygen. The medic is saying "call it" meaning the ambulance is coming to take her away. She's really upset, realizing she might be going home, but Ty-Lor said she needs to make sure she's OK.

Tom shows up at the pit area and wants to talk with Ty-Lor and Edward. He tells them that Sarah is pretty much out of it, that the heat got to her, and they're taking her to the hospital and said they're on their own. Edward said that they first think "is she OK, is she dead?" But also said if it were him, he would have pushed through it. Ty-Lor and Edward realize they can't cut their meat to order, so they're busy chopping the meat and getting them in hotel pans, but they still have their beans to do. Edward cooks into "Oh my Eff" mode, and hates that they're putting the cut meat into the steamer trays.

Service begins and Grayson said it is a bum rush - Ty-Lor notes that there are 300 people to serve, with 7 items on their team's plate, 2100 plate strokes to make, and only 4 hands to do it all.

The judges come in and Padma immediate says "Let's go to the bar and get some drinks!"

They then head over to the Blue Team's service area. They serve up an Asian Spare Rib, Chicken & Brisket, Charred Brussels Sprouts and Okra, and Watermelon Salad. The judges seem to *really* like everything, except the Brussels Sprouts weren't done.

They then head over to the White Team - they did Beer Can Chicken, Brisket, dry rubbed with a spicy BBQ sauce, and Dr. Pepper Glazed Pork Ribs. Their sides are coleslaw and beans. Nathan notes it's a roast chicken, not really a BBQ chicken, and Tom notes it has flavor and it's moist, but very little smoke. Gail notes that their beans aren't cooked, and Tom also said their entire plate is salty. The brisket was a bit chewy, but they liked the coleslaw and Watermelon Fresca.

Sarah shows back up to help Ty-Lor and Edward notes that Sarah's only concerned about her chicken, and he won't let her change the service locations for her chicken. They served Texas-style Chicken (low and slow on the grill and then basted with a tomatoey sauce with a bit of spice, KC-Style Pork Ribs, Smoked Brisket, Poppy Seed Coleslaw and Pinto Beans. Sarah said she started to get more overheated after the judges are served, and leaves service. Ty-Lor tells Edward it's just them again. Sarah said she has no guilty feelings about leaving service. Edward wasn't happy that she only came back to serve her dish and then leaves again. The judges seemed to like the flavors of all the dishes.

Umm...Grayson? Next time, don't do the Little Green Bullfrog song for the confessional, OK? ;-)

They're back waiting for the judges to decide, and Sarah is explaining the breakdown in their group. She thinks that there was a communication breakdown and she felt a weird vibe. Edward tells her not to get emotional.

Padma comes back in and says they'd like to see the Blue Team. And THEY are the winners! Gail said their brisket was heads-and-tails over the other teams' briskets and they were the only team that didn't go traditional. They'll split $15,000, and Paul's up to $35,000 in cash total winnings.

The other two teams are asked to go up to the Judges Table. Sarah's chicken was more like grilled chicken, not smoked, although it was moist. Parts of her chicken was a bit rubbery, so slathering on the sauce too early wasn't ever going to get the skin crisp. Ty-Lor's feeling bad about his ribs. Gail said the ribs were heavy-handed in the seasoning, and then the rib meat didn't come off the bone. Padma asks who did what on the coleslaw, and Tom said the orange-mint that was in there had started to ferment and gave it an off taste. The brisket was discussed, and Edward noted that they did the pre-slicing because they were down a person. Tom asked why they didn't just continue to do it to order? Edward said that they got spooked because they didn't want a long line of people.

The judges then reviewed the White Team's dishes. Beverly's coleslaw was more traditional, but didn't show what she was like as a chef. She also brined the chicken, but Chris Jones cooked all of the meats. Their chicken could be called "grilled chicken" or "French Grandmother's Roast Chicken", according to Nathan, and then Padma asked who else had something to do with the pork ribs. Chris Crary said he did both the rubs for the brisket and ribs, and he did both the sauces. Tom noted that the ribs were so salty that they were inedible. Beverly did the beans, and they were undercooked as well.

I have a feeling it's someone from the White Team going home. Both Chris's aren't faring well, nor is Beverly. Wow - Tom said Ty-Lor was responsible for the proteins on the Red Team, and he was responsible for a lot of the problems on that team, and Tom wishes they *could* send Ty-Lor home - he was responsible for two things wrong. Padma notes that they could easily send someone home from either team.

They're back in front of the judges. Tom reviews what was wrong with their individual dishes. And it's Chris Crary is asked to PPYKAG. The overly salty sauces and rubs were what did him in.

The previews for next week? It's RESTAURANT WARS! And it looks to be guys vs. girls.

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So Chris C. heads to LCK to battle against Nyesha! And ooh! They're bringing back an old TC challenge - cook with items bought in a gas station. They have $20 to shop and a half hour to cook. They shop, and come back in and Chris C. sees the eliminated chefs sitting there, and said "why are you all here?" Nyesha's going with a crispy chicharrón with a charred bean ragu, while Chris C. is making a grilled cheese with ham and a spicy tomato soup (with foam!) They seemed to both have great dishes, but a winner is picked! :-)

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  1. Gosh, I'm just not sure who they have decided to cast as the bad one now that heather is gone. Who on earth could it be? BTW Edward, pretty common for an accent to creep back in and get strong when you return to the land where you developed it.

    I'm not a huge fan of the challenge. Barbecue seems such a highly specialized thing to me. I wouldn't expect them to do superbly with it, particularly for a large group, and I would rather see them with more freedom to do their thing at this point.

    Glad Ty-lor won the quick fire!

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    1. re: debbiel

      i'm confused... how do you do bbq for a **small** group? is that this "crock pot bbq" crap i keep hearing about??? ;-P

      1. re: soupkitten

        Well, I've been to barbecues with one or two meats for 100. There's a little space between 3 meats for 300 people and my 5 qt crockpot.

        ETA: and I might have read tone wrong first read of your post (tired!). And I hate my crockpot. :)

        1. re: debbiel

          Debbie, i hope you know i was kidding! my bad, though, sorry! ;-P

          but, wasn't it meats for 200 folks? i thought i remember chris jones saying "we're cooking bbq for 200 *texans*"... big emphasis on *texans.* but in a practical sense, even executing 3 different meats, 2 sides... with 3 teams, i would think they could get away with very small portions of meat. like 1/2 rib, or 1/8-1/16 of a chicken, small slice of brisket, etc. per diner.

          anyway, my post above was off-the cuff, i was thinking of historically feeding a big crowd of folks with one whole animal. it is true that in the show they were going for a different type of wow factor, particularly the winning team. i must've still had the mouthwatering image of those big slabs of meat in the huge pit at the traditional texas bbq restaurant on my mind when i wrote that! :)

          1. re: soupkitten

            I did see that you were joking, but not til my second read. Sorry about that!

            I'm not sure if it was 200 or 300, and you're right, it's not like a big ole plate of each meat for each person needs to be done. This reflects my own ability to party plan. I make enough of everything for everyone, assuming everyone will eat for 3. :)

            I still think this one made it hard for them to show off their own top-chefness, because barbecue is so specialized. Of course they were also hampered by their inability or unwillingness to think beyond tradition, other than Paul's team.

            1. re: soupkitten

              it was 300. Ty calculated it out that for their team, 300 people x 7 plate elements meant 2100 plate strokes during service.

        2. re: debbiel

          Gosh, I'm just not sure who they have decided to cast as the bad one now that heather is gone. Who on earth could it be?
          ***
          Beverly - odd ball, no common sense, and not perceived to be a strong chef
          Ed vs. Sarah - I see this brewing into a bigger conflict, similar to the Bev vs. Heather.

          I didn't really see why they dinged Ed's brisket - he couldn't carve at the table if they were down a person.

          Next week the women's team looks like the women's team from Hell's Kitchen. Maybe Gordo will be the guest judge.

          1. re: Worldwide Diner

            Well, based on what Tom C. said, I think they would have preferred their team having a long line waiting to be served than to have gray steamed brisket. So while it would have been totally insanely sucky to have hand-carved slices of brisket, it *could* have been done.

            1. re: LindaWhit

              That's easy for Tom to say since the judges don't have to wait in line.

              1. re: Worldwide Diner

                true enough but then the judges brisket would have been done properly.....and I doubt if the judges would have been too hard on them for being slow with service if they were down a team member.

                and personally, I think that if Ed hadn't let his annoyance/anger at Sarah get the better of him, he could have figured that out.

                1. re: susancinsf

                  I agree that Ed let his misguided emotions get in the way. Sarah looked like a red beet when she started to crash. You can't push through that and she did the right thing in asking for help.
                  She was in danger and obviously not in condition to tolerate the heat and exertion.

              2. re: LindaWhit

                Did we see how the other teams handled serving the brisket? Did they hand carve it to order or leave it in the steamer?

                1. re: chicgail

                  We didn't see. Now THAT would have been an interesting point for the judges to bring up. BUT - Edward would have continued to say that they were down 1 person.

                  1. re: LindaWhit

                    i can't remember who, but one of the other team's members said something about "we just start slicing our meat" at the site.

                2. re: LindaWhit

                  I would bet $100 that if the judges had to wait that they would have raised holy hell about the inefficient way they were running their line.

                  1. re: Phaedrus

                    I know - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

                    But as susancinsf said above, the judges' brisket would have been done properly. And if they're not being judged by anyone *but* the judges, they're the ones to whom the cheftestants should be catering.

                    1. re: LindaWhit

                      They should have kept a hunk of brisket to slice by hand for the judges!

                      I'm with debbiel -- I don't think this was a good challenge, for the reasons she gave. I think a chili challenge, plus a steak challenge plus a BBQ challenge is one "Texas-themed" challenge too many. I want to see these chefs cook their food, not cook Texas food (not that there's anything wrong with Texas food!).

                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                        i think the timing is about right. With eight people left, I hope they will not delve into what these chefs can do in their own voices. otherwise too much originality with so so many people will tend to turn into a cacophony.

                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                          The Houston Press blog author said that she'd scream if next week's challenge is to make tacos. Kind of peeved about the stereotypical Texas foods that are being thrown into the challenges.

                          1. re: Ruth Lafler

                            Interesting. I really like to see them cook out of their comfort zone. I think it shows who really knows how to cook and is well rounded. Plus I loves me some BBQ. When it gets down to the end, then I want them to cook to their strengths.

                            jb

                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                              Now THAT would have been the way to work it, Ruth!

                              1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                i just read gail's blog and laughed at her statement about american regional bbq:

                                <<
                                I’m Canadian, so I don’t really get a vote. No one in Texas would care what I have to think or say about barbecue!
                                >>

                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                  Too many team challenges, period! It lets "weak" chefs hide, and can sacrifice “stronger” chefs – like Nyesha.
                                  At least this season the Last Chance Kitchen (or what ever) helps to mitigate that to a degree. I don’t think Nyesha will win, but she had to PYKAG too early.- all due to the team challenge format.

                                  1. re: StewieBoy

                                    Totally agree. Let the chefs win or loss on their own merit. They have to keep the game show mentality going lest we fall asleep.

                                    I would love to see a Top Chef competition that focused on the food, it's preparation and presentation. Period!

                                    1. re: scubadoo97

                                      You know, I thought that was what made the earlier seasons different from other reality shows. Dave and Tiffany may have snapped at each other, but they also made things like squid ink emulsion and truffle Mac n cheese. Interesting, creative, and challenging.

                                      This season features beer can chicken. Really? My drunk uncle uses the same recipie, and he doesn't squabble with his wife.

                                      1. re: StewieBoy

                                        That's this season in a nutshell. Beer can chicken, dr pepper ribs, cole slaw and beans--as if the food weren't simple enough, they can't even get that right. Looks like Tom's talk didn't take. We get better foods at PTA potlucks.

                                        1. re: StewieBoy

                                          It's not that this season's chefs haven't made things up to par with those of previous seasons - actually a good deal better than those on the first two seasons. The issue is more that there hasn't been as much on-air discussion of the food and the technique this season. Also, this season since the talent level is comparatively even, the better chefs haven't stood out as much as they have in prior seasons.

                                          Take a scroll through the recipe listing for this season.
                                          http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...
                                          There's a lot of reasonably sophisticated, well conceived stuff in it, as well as some clunkers, just like any season. Then consider that Dave, the season 1 chef you praise, made cheese quesadillas as his 'signature dish' in the first episode of his season. They were not wildly creative quesadillas either.

                                          The difference is in how much of the edit is allotted to the food itself.

                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                            I think you're right on that cowboyardee. I also think that's why I have no opinion on Lindsay's cooking--good or bad. I feel I haven't heard enough discussion of it to know.

                                            1. re: cowboyardee

                                              and if this thread is any evidence, they are apparently giving us what we want - emphasis on drama over food.

                                              1. re: mariacarmen

                                                I am totally not into the drama. Makes for some long threads though

                                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                                  If they emphasize drama, what are we left to discuss? There's often not enough about what went into the food thought, technique or otherwise...

                                                2. re: cowboyardee

                                                  I can't say that any of them thrill me - not the "I can't wait to get the ingredients and go home to make this!" kind of thrill. I mean, come on, I have that zing at least once a month (maybe less frequently recently) from Bon Appetit. In addition, every recipe I try from BA works!
                                                  Maybe I didn't scroll through enough. As it stands now, I will try some of the recipes based only on watching them. For interesting things, I will go with BA ans Epicurious.com.

                                                  1. re: cowboyardee

                                                    I agree with this... lately the show is less focused on details about the food and more focused on personalty. I'm missing the rich details about the dishes...

                                                      1. re: AsperGirl

                                                        Yes, it's a change for the worse... I liked the competition to get into the competition, and LCK, but the weekly competitions aren't food/cooking centric enough.

                                                    1. re: StewieBoy

                                                      I also think that the elimination challenges are limiting the chefs. Basically it has been Top Catering for most of them. It seems like only one challenge- the who inspired you - made the chefs up their game. You can get creative with BBQ as Paul, et al showed but only so creative.

                                                      1. re: lbs

                                                        This is true, too, plus consider the types of crowds they've cooked for--no one who would like more creative, adventurous foods. Even red wine reduction turned off the housewife.

                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                          But it looked like blood on the plate!! :) But really, they've been cooking for a less than qualified crowd in almost every episode, we really need to see some REAL cooking!

                                                          1. re: kubasd23

                                                            i think the bbq crowd was prepared for some better execution and more forward flavors, they agreed w the judges on paul's team winning. they just didn't like uncooked beans, salted to death ribs, steam table brisket, etc.

                                                            i think the chefs dumbing down their food for the crowd has consistently been a problem this season, as opposed to the crowd necessarily being dumb-- with the big, notable, plastic-enhanced exception of those awful housewives.

                                                              1. re: soupkitten

                                                                i think the chefs dumbing down their food for the crowd has consistently been a problem this season
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                                                                indeed. and really, ENOUGH with the group challenges already! i suspect we might be seeing different (and perhaps better?) food from these chefs if they didn't have to adjust to random venues & kitchens and different team/group dynamics every week. what ever happened to keeping them in the Top Chef kitchen to cook their food once in a while?

                                                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                  I wonder how much influence on the choice of elimination challenges came from the fact that the Elves received $400,000 from the state of Texas to bring this production to their state? I would guess the Cattlemen's Ball was a direct result, but I'm not aure of the others.

                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                    Didn't realize this. I wonder how much damage the progressive dinner episode did for the state's image?

                                                                    1. re: Leepa

                                                                      I think the cities themselves were also involved with it being said that the show skipped Houston because they wouldn't get on board with the $$$. I think the Texas overload is doing them no favors for their image nor for the show itself.

                                                                      1. re: huiray

                                                                        you're right. It's not like we didn't already know that they like their meat down there in Texas. It might have been better to focus on things that aren't so stereotypical. Texas is a big state, and I imagine it supports "all kinds".

                                                                        1. re: DGresh

                                                                          it really is too bad, because the food scenes in Austin and Houston have been booming for a while and they've got much more going on than just BBQ and big hunks of meat.

                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                            It seems all the Texas stereotypes are being perpetuated. Did we really need to have them compete at Southfork? At least they did not bring in J.R., Sue Ellen, Pam, Bobby, or Lucy as a guest judge.

                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                              I assume they're saving them for the final. :)

                                                    2. re: StewieBoy

                                                      I think I'd be scared if I showed up at LCK and saw that my opponent was Nyesha. Then again, I'm a Nyesha fan and hope she hangs on until the bitter end...

                                                      I agree about the team challenges, and those of physical endurance, being ridiculous. They don't prove a thing about an individual chef's ability to think on his/her feet, cook under adverse conditions, and produce something wonderful, How many times have all of us been at the end of the month, looked into the freezer, and come up with something that the rest of the family thought was fantastic? I want to see some creativity, not endurance!

                                                      1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                        Amen.

                                                        As a heat intolerant person, these all night, all day team challenges in 100+ degree weather are wearing me out.

                                                3. re: Phaedrus

                                                  +1 the whole situation is ridiculous. Lack of sleep, heat, sun, and lack of water (where's the water Grayson said)

                                                  Sorry but for a "Texan" Sarah should have been able to push through what 8 other contestants were able to endure. Make excuses for her all you want blah blah. Ed gashed his hand and continued to work.

                                                  1. re: Pookipichu

                                                    A gashed hand is one thing . . . I've ignored that myself.

                                                    Heat stroke is quite another. I'm not from Texas, but do live in a place where heat indices get above 120 and when you have heatstroke it is life threatening. And once it happens, you know to pour cold water down your throat all day and all night.

                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                      I think it was Gail's blog that said there was plenty of ice water for everyone. I can't remember if it was her TC blog or the other one.

                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                        Kory Stringer was a professional athlete. He tried to "...push through..." and he died of heatstroke, in Minnesota no less. Did you think this through before posting?

                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                          I live in Austin, it was the hottest summer on record in like 50 years, and it routinely reached 110 degrees every day for the stretch they were filming here. People were dropping like flies all over town. I dislike Sarah, but if you havent experienced a summer here I dont think you can understand how serious and prevalent heat strokes/heat exhaustion can be.

                                                          1. re: twyst

                                                            Why did you direct this post to me?

                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                              I was further agreeing with you that the thought of "pushing through" when the down side is dying of heat stroke is not a well thought out course of action.

                                                          2. re: John E.

                                                            You can't apply Stringer's situation here. This is two different cases, not unrelated but not directly compatible. He was running around in an aerobic zone outside in the sun with full football gear on. Plus, I don't believe he hydrated enough. Now Sarah may not have either, we don't see whether she was running to get water every five minutes or not.

                                                            1. re: Phaedrus

                                                              Stringer's situation? You make it sound like an isolated incident.

                                                              http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/fea...

                                                              Also, its not limited to football players. I dont think you have a grasp on how serious and widespread the problem is.

                                                              http://www.wjla.com/blogs/weather/201...

                                                              http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/0...

                                                              9 deaths in dallas alone this summer etc etc etc
                                                              http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/D...

                                                              1. re: twyst

                                                                It was not my intent to make the situation sound isolated. Having overweight linemen running around in the midday sun with full football gear on, doing very anaerobic things while elevating his pulse rate versus having an overweight chef with no gear on standing next to a fire pit while not being over exerted is not identical. the only identical thing about them is that personnel, trainers in the case of Stringer and the producers in the case of TC failed to prevent the incidence from happening. The other similarity is that you can warn people all they want, but if they don't think to hydrate, there is not much you can do until it is too late.

                                                              2. re: Phaedrus

                                                                I certainly can compare the two. Sarah was exerting herself in the sun and the heat. That's what produces heatstroke. It is a dangerous situation compounded by the smoke and the likelyhood that she is not in the best aerobic physical condition. Stringer may have been a large football player but he was still more aerobically fit than Sarah. He got paid to run around, he just should have had the courage to ask for help like Sarah did. He tried to "push through" and it killed him.

                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                  Exerting herself by flipping a chicken, the way 8 other people were doing? How do you compare that to football practice? Your argument doesn't hold water.

                                                                  1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                    You're argument that 8 other people were ok is like saying that not everyone who smokes gets cancer, so smoking must not be a health issue.

                                                                    1. re: donovt

                                                                      I had an exchange recently on that very topic. It also included doubt about the sun causing skin cancer. The posts were deleted.

                                                                    2. re: Pookipichu

                                                                      I can't not jump in because it's my nature. I can't believe we are arguing over whether or not Sarah should have "pushed through". It's like asking someone to push through a heart attack. It can't be done. She was probably minutes from collapsing into unconsciousness. What then? A little kick with some encouraging words like "hey, suck it up". I didn't care for her attitude upon her return and her lack of feeling any guilt about the whole going to the hospital thing but she really had no choice.
                                                                      Yeah, maybe she's weaker than the others. Maybe that weakness almost led to Ed going home. People can and DID die in mass last summer due to the heat. Many were in better shape than Sarah and were exerting themselves less. This was not a cut or even a broken leg we're talking about. The argument over whether or not she should have gone in the ambulance is a stupid one because there is no other side. Let's argue about her lack of feeling any guilt or her concern for the chicken or whether or not Ed was justified in being pissed. We have plenty of legit stuff we can argue about. Her getting carted off in an ambulance just ain't one of them.

                                                                      1. re: bobbert

                                                                        There's been a lot of discussion about Saarh's attitude after returning from the hospital. I called the Elves and got the low down and the film that never made it to the show that should shine some light on how it really went down. They told me that neither going to the hospital nor her return were her choice. The medics said "Go" and the doctors released her to return. Upon returing she had this exchange with Ed and Ty-Lor.

                                                                        Sarah: Hi guys sorry I almost died, but I'm back now and ready to help. What should I do?
                                                                        Ed: If you touch my brisket I'll gut you!
                                                                        Ty-Lor: You don't want to get near my ribs. They really suck. Perhaps you should just pate your chicken?
                                                                        Sarah: Ok. Ed, can I...
                                                                        Ed: If you touch my brisket I'll gut you!
                                                                        Sarah: Ok...alrighty then. I'll just plate my chicken and be on my way.
                                                                        Sarah voice over as she leaves the serving area: That guy is a maniac. I don't feel guilty one bit leaving him in the lurch. I'm going to buy Ty-Lor a Mercedes Benz. He is super sweet.

                                                                        Now you can all stop bashing Sarah.

                                                                        jb

                                                                        1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                          LOL! Oh, I only WISH we could see some of the edited-out footage. ;-)

                                                                          1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                            I was falling for this until "I'll gut you".

                                                                            1. re: Joanie

                                                                              Me too. LOL!! If only that exchange could make it to TV. We'd be talking Emmy.

                                                                          2. re: bobbert

                                                                            I can't believe we are arguing over whether or not Sarah should have "pushed through". It's like asking someone to push through a heart attack.
                                                                            ***************************************************

                                                                            Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

                                                                              1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                OK, I love you T.....H......I.......S much for bringing one of my favorite Monty Python/Holy Grail lines into this thread, JB. :-D

                                                                          3. re: Pookipichu

                                                                            Of course it doesn't hold water, if Sarah were holding water this entire incident would not have happened.

                                                                            I was making the comparison of two people exerting themselves in the heat. One attempted to 'push through' and died, the other could have died. One was a professional athlete the other was not. They were both suffering from heat stroke. It does not matter how they got to that point, they were both suffering from heat stroke. Do you think Sarah should have 'pushed through"? I stand by the comparison.

                                                                            Have you read bobbert's response about 'pushing through'?

                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                              I see things differently, you see things one way and neither of us know the full details and so we can agree to disagree.

                                                                    3. re: Phaedrus

                                                                      From Philadelphia's "Great Chef's Event" in 2009. The man (and helpers) cut pork belly sliders to order, and it was easily the longest line in an event with 400 people. Was it him and another guy? No, but I think it shows that he walks the walk.

                                                                       
                                                                       
                                                                      1. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                        Who's that?

                                                                        Is it Tom Colicchio? If so where did the pics come from? The only one I can find of a similarly attired person at this event is this one - pic #19 in the set: http://www.phillymag.com/party_pictur... where TC is wearing a yellow neckerchief sans a cap and appears to be standing in a different area than as shown in the pics here...

                                                                        1. re: huiray

                                                                          Actually it is from 2010, '09. I took the pictures. It was the first year they were at Urban Outfitters HQ I believe.

                                                                        2. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                          He might be serving it to order but was he also doing the plating and serving for all the other dishes? It looks like there is a pretty big crew helping.

                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                            "Was it him and another guy? No, but I think it shows that he walks the walk."
                                                                            --------------------------------------------
                                                                            I'm pretty sure he had a full night's sleep. The room was air conditioned. He was serving one protein instead of three. There were no sides to serve.

                                                                            A comparison of the two was never my intention. Just a couple pictures of a guy serving cooked meat the way he thinks it should be served. If I had pictures of him glad handing while his underlings dished up pre-sliced food, I'd have posted those and called BS on what he said at Judges Table.

                                                                            1. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                              Sorry, I see--I didn't read the response that yours was replying to. Even Ed realized cut to order was the way to go but he also had to serve 300 people and make a decision on the fly. Maybe in hindsight, he would have done something different.

                                                                            2. re: chowser

                                                                              Additionally, how many ingredients/components was he serving?

                                                                      2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                        Beverly - odd ball, no common sense, and not perceived to be a strong chef
                                                                        ~~~~~~~~
                                                                        or as Chris Crary said, "she's book smart, but when it comes to common sense she's missing a few chapters." i LOVED that line! i was sad to see him go - i would have preferred it if Beverly or Chris Jones had gotten the axe. there's nothing enjoyable about watching either of them, and they don't seem to be wowing the judges with their food. plus, Chris Crary pulled off a scallop + risotto QF dish without landing in the bottom. that should count for something, shouldn't it? :)

                                                                        for the record, i'm totally coveting Ty's QF prize. i've wanted that set since it was available for pre-order, and i'm surprised the other chefs didn't make a bigger deal about it.

                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                          Yeah, considering the set of books retails for $625, that's a pretty big deal.

                                                                      3. re: debbiel

                                                                        I was a fan of the challenge, since I think it really was a challenge, and I think a few participants had their eyes opened as to how much of a challenge making great bbq really is (wasn't it Paul who asked himself, 'how am I ever going to make bbq this good?"). The winning team both had to be creative and take risks,and also had to know and cover the basics (such as being sure that the brisket got on/in the heat right away, knowing that it would take a long time). They also had to work well together under extreme pressure. It isn't just about putting a beer can in a bunch of chickens and putting them on the grill and sweating it out.

                                                                        While I haven't read Tom's blog, I also got the impression that this was a challenge that he and the other judges enjoyed a lot, in part because they recognized it as truly being a homage to the techniques.

                                                                      4. Bottom line: The word "Inedible" = kiss of death

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                                                                        1. re: bobbert

                                                                          As soon as I heard them say that word, I was like "Whelp.... Chris C. is going home."

                                                                            1. re: kubasd23

                                                                              i couldn't help hoping it meant the kiss of death for Beverly when they also said it about her beans...but as we all know, inedible protein is a greater offense than an inedible side dish. grrr.

                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                I think Padma added that almost as afterthought or like she was asked by the producers to say that to throw off people like me who, once hearing Tom say "inedible", were thinking "time for bed. I wonder how he'll do against Nyisha". Padma's inedible just didn't have the same conviction as Tom's.

                                                                          1. Random thoughts:

                                                                            - Hard to see how Ty-Lor's watermelon with powdered olive oil won the quickfire. I guess those spices must have been unconventional and surprising. It looked like Ty-Lor didn't really do anything at all to the watermelon aside from cutting it into a cube. Add a little powder (maltodextrin and olive oil, it's not hard) and some spice - am I missing something, or is this a strange dish to pick as winner? On the other hand, few of the other chefs seemed to really roll very well with the challenge. Moto Chris seemed for a minute like he would finally get his moment in the sun, but I think he inadvertently turned his offering into a pissing contest with Nathan Myrvold. Surprised Paul did so badly. A little more than 45 minutes for the challenge would have helped these chefs. But still, I can think of several chefs from other seasons that would have killed this challenge.

                                                                            - Looks like these guys mostly had a hard time with barbecue. Now, before all of us home cooks start talking s***, I'll say this in defense of the chefs: even though it's not a Top Chef cliche, I think barbecue is probably up there with risotto and gnocchi in terms of being a real bitch to serve in competition. They're all technique-heavy dishes that are easy to make but hard to make perfect. Not many pro chefs have professional experience cooking barbecue, though they might have extra-curricular experience. On top of that, no matter how precisely you make your barbecue, there's the risk that it'll never stand up to people's preconceived and HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE notions of exactly what perfect barbecue should be. Of course, that doesn't apply if your 'cue is inedibly salty or unpleasantly dry because your brisket was cut an hour before being served.

                                                                            - I don't honestly know how I feel about the Edward vs Sarah conflict. On one hand, I'm sure she was legitimately ill and talked out of competing by the medics. But I can totally see why Ed was annoyed that she showed back up only long enough to plate for the judges. Was Edward surlier than the situation warranted? I don't know.

                                                                            - With Chris C going home and Edward getting grumpy, who is the new front runner for fan favorite? I'd say Ty-Lor, but I honestly am not so sure he's going to be around much longer. Speaking of Chris C, I laughed my ass off at his apartment full of nude paintings.

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                                                                            1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                              "...but I think he inadvertently turned his offering into a pissing contest with Nathan Myrvold." THIS. I think you nailed it.

                                                                              I was creeped out by Chris' nude paintings, but that may have been from cumulative effect.

                                                                              Don't know about the Edward Sarah thing either. I don't know how much say they get about staying/going in medical situations. Could have been staged for her to arrive at the right moment to serve up for the judges. Easy to see her having repeat of symptoms shortly after she returned. Who knows....

                                                                              Fan favorite: Grayson is in 2nd, I think. If I voted for things like that, I think I'd vote for Paul.

                                                                              1. re: debbiel

                                                                                As I've said in previous threads, I like Moto Chris - I think he seems like a nice guy, and he's made me laugh a few times. But I'm thinking he will never have his moment in the sun. The universe will not allow it. He will keep on coming up with elaborate and over-complicated schemes to win praise from the judges, only to slapped down and made to look foolish and ridiculous. But, improbably, he will not lose or go away either.

                                                                                He's basically Top Chef's version of Wile E Coyote.

                                                                                1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                  Brilliant, cowboyardee! Wile E. Coyote, indeed. :-)

                                                                                  1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                    I want a "like" button! Wonderful, Cowboyardee!

                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                      Moto Chrios keeps writing checks that he can't cash. I have yet to see him take care of the details enough to get the job done.

                                                                                      1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                        Ugly Chris does not know all that much about grilling chicken let alone BBQing chicken. Almost everybody is confused about beer can chicken however. The beer never gets hot enough to steam to keep the chicken moist. It's an illusion. The competition called for BBQ chicken anyway. Apparently Ugly Chris and heat-stroke Sara forgot that. If they would have thrown some soaked wood or wood chips on the fire to generate some smoke for their chicken they may have fared better.

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          By the judges' accounts, his beer can chicken was the highlight of his groups offerings, even though it had very little in the way of smoky flavor. IIRC, it was called moist and delicious.

                                                                                          It looked to me like he was stacking those chickens a lot closer together and tighter than I would have if I were hoping for smoke to flavor the chicken skin. On the other hand, I've never cooked 50 chickens t the same time on the same grill/smoker space,

                                                                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                            <It looked to me like he was stacking those chickens a lot closer together and tighter than I would have if I were hoping for smoke to flavor the chicken skin. On the other hand, I've never cooked 50 chickens t the same time on the same grill/smoker space,>

                                                                                            The way those chickens were placed on that grill reminded me eerily of the way chickens are raised in commercial hatcheries -- where they are all crammed together in a small enclosure that was just big enough for their eggs....

                                                                                            1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                              How sad, but how true. Good insight.

                                                                                          2. re: John E.

                                                                                            This may be totally parenthetical, but I don't think Moto Chris is ugly. He's certainly not as cute as Malibu Chris. He's pretty committed to cook Moto-style tricks. But ugly. I really don't think so.

                                                                                            1. re: chicgail

                                                                                              i think John was joking and not actually calling chris jones ugly. if i am not mistaken, the reference is to the "corn field" episode, where the contestants are breaking up into who gets to ride in which toyota product w each other. someone says something about riding with "handsome" chris, or "pretty" chris (i don't remember the exact words), and chris jones refers jokingly and self-effacing-ly to *himself* as "ugly chris," to general amusement. chris c's looks have kind of been a running joke thus far in the competition (e.g. "malibu")

                                                                                              1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                I used the term because that's what the contestants used in an earlier episode.

                                                                                      2. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                        I agree that if I were in Edward's place, I would have been pissed at Sarah *only* showing up to serve the judges.

                                                                                        As for Fan Favorite, I'm thinking Paul or Grayson? (Although that damn Little Green Frog song still resonates with me - and not in a good way! LOL)

                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                          Yes, if I were Ed Lee I would have been pissed too. I would note too that after she had left the two guys to do everything that still needed to be done (a lot), after Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. had worked out a way to serve stuff with only 4 hands and was already "in the flow" of it she shows up to serve afore-mentioned 4 plates (or whatever small number) while trying to redirect how her chicken was presented etc and alter the flow that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. had already going. Then she decamps again. And complains about the "lack of communication" and "feeling weird". Yes, you had heat stroke but lady, you weren't even there when crunch time was approaching.

                                                                                          1. re: huiray

                                                                                            i thought it was really interesting to contrast ty and ed's attitudes toward the heatstroke thing. ty seemed quite positive, sympathetic to sarah, and matter-of-fact about the situation, compared to ed. otoh ty could afford to be more laid back about it, after all, he had immunity.

                                                                                            wrt: extreme heat conditions. sarah probably did not hydrate properly. i was also wondering if the chefs were able to employ any of the normal means to avoid serious heatstroke. there didn't seem to be a walk-in freezer available, but how about ice? in very hot kitchens, the line cooks make ice packs and wear them around their necks and such during the hot rush. in order to, y'know... not die, and stuff. :(

                                                                                            1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                              I thought it was funny that Ed Lee tweeted something like "OK, OK, maybe I need some sensitivity training" last night during the show.

                                                                                              1. re: Boudleaux

                                                                                                LOL! OK, I guess he realized how poorly he came off with his sniping.

                                                                                                1. re: Boudleaux

                                                                                                  I don't think he came off poorly, I think people are being overly sympathetic to Sarah. In my eyes, Sarah came off very poorly, she comes back, moments before service? Thanks. Then insult to injury starts to try to move things around so her chicken can be highlighted. No thank you.

                                                                                                  In addition to my earlier comment that 8 other people were working all night and in the hot sun. She was the only one to get stroke and a "Texan" at that. Ed wasn't all puppies and coddling but he wasn't nearly as hostile as let's say Heather could have been. Yes Tylor was all back pats and sympathy, he had immunity, 'nough said.

                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                      People are being overly sympathetic to Sarah? Not quite.

                                                                                                      Leaving for her heat exhaustion? I don't fault her at all for that. But coming back for 10 minutes to serve the judges and then leaving again? THAT is where I object to what she did to her teammates.

                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                        That's my feeling, too. It was her coming back and taking care of her own dish for the judges and then leaving, along with the "no guilt" comment that turned me off. We could argue all day (and probably will!) about what might have happened, just as some have defending Heather and Bev and others but we only know what we saw.

                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                          I respect your opinion LInda but I think it is likely that Sarah pushed herself to come back before she was physically ready. I highly doubt she went and sat down because she did not WANT to help her team serve their food.

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                            Yes, but her "I don't feel guilty" comment seems to belie that, John. I felt that was an "I don't care about them" comment.

                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              I took it as a "I don't feel guilty for putting health and safety first", though I also read a bit of self-defensiveness in it. As in, I feel kind of guilty but I'm going to say I don't because I want to believe that what I did was okay.

                                                                                                              I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time.

                                                                                                              1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                "I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time."

                                                                                                                This does sum it up. Who, after not sleeping and doing all that, will come off well the whole time?

                                                                                                                1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                  If anyone spends any kind of time on CH, they can see how testy people get with sleep and and temperature controlled room, sitting behind a keyboard. Up all night? Smoke constantly in you face? One hundred degree temps? C'mon, man. It's hard to keep your chin up in a situation like that. One person down (the sick person NEVER goes home) and the other has immunity? Yeah, Ed had every right to be shitting bricks. I don't know how sensitive Ty is if the shoe is on the other foot.

                                                                                                                2. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                  Also: "I don't feel guilty because when I offered to help they told me to f*** off."

                                                                                                                  1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                    "I also think many of them were just in an understandably horrible, I hate the world and everyone in it mood at that time."
                                                                                                                    ~~~~~~~

                                                                                                                    There you go. debbiel for the win. :-)

                                                                                                                    1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                      <As in, I feel kind of guilty but I'm going to say I don't because I want to believe that what I did was okay.>

                                                                                                                      yes. I read it as a sort of self-afirmation. Don't any of you ever feel guilty even though a part of you doesn't think you should?

                                                                                                                    2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                      I took her "I don't feel guilty" comment as a defense mechanism because she was still feeling physically ill from the heatstroke and not as a childish reaction to Ed's childish behavior.

                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                        If it was heatstroke, she was most certainly still feeling ill.

                                                                                                              2. re: Boudleaux

                                                                                                                LOL!

                                                                                                                I'm happy to hear that - I do like Ed!

                                                                                                                Edit: I like Ed's twitter comment

                                                                                                                1. re: Boudleaux

                                                                                                                  That puts Ed in a different light for me.

                                                                                                                2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                  I thought Ed was being a real jerk to her as soon as she returned, which made me think he was the real jerk. I can see why he'd be mad with her leaving a second time after the judges were gone, but he started his attack as soon as she got their and tried to help.

                                                                                                                  I mean, he was angry with her for trying to help! WTF?!?!? I understand they had their system going, but he seemed like a petulant child.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Bart Hound

                                                                                                                    I agree. And his "if it were me, I would have toughed it out" attitude is bull. One can tough out a cut to the hand, one can't really tough out heatstroke.

                                                                                                                    1. re: LurkerDan

                                                                                                                      Totally disagree, 8 other chefs toughed it out.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                        Indeed.

                                                                                                                        IMO it was also unmindful on her own part to ignore the fact that, yes, she had a larger body mass than all the remaining cheftestants (and before the attacks start - yes, it is true; an inconvenient fact) subject to heat-exchange issues. We do not see any effort on her part on the show as edited to ameliorate the heat situation - hydrating more, trying smoke-avoidance tactics, attempting some sort of sun-cover rig-up, etc...if she still succumbed, then at least we would have seen that she did try not to...

                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                          We heard in the episode that her blood pressure and heart rate were elevated, though I guess we didn't see how high. Based on the non-rebreather mask they had on her, it's possible that her oxygen saturation was pretty low as well...

                                                                                                                          I can tell you as a medical professional that if I'm evaluating someone and their BP and HR are both high enough, I am not letting them 'tough it out' without a serious fight. I think the medics might well have told her (and the producers) very forcefully that continuing to compete at that time would be very dangerous and stupid.

                                                                                                                          8 other people made it through the contest. I suspect they didn't have an acute issue because they were probably in better shape to start with. Hard to say. But none of them looked like she did. If I were the medic treating her, I likely would not have let her continue to compete without a fight and I would have made the producers aware of the danger as well. It's really not the same as putting off stitches.

                                                                                                                          All that said, I can see why Ed was annoyed when she came back just to fiddle with the chicken for the judges.

                                                                                                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                            applause!

                                                                                                                            8 other people made it through. big deal! 8 different people might not have. everyone's different. it's always sooooo easy for people to say "oh, i would have...." (i'm agreeing with you, CBD, in case it sounds like i'm not. just annoyed at the arrogance of others that think every single person should be able to withstand every single thing the same as every one else. such simplistic thinking.)

                                                                                                                            1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                              I agree. Applause! I've seen heat stroke and it can be deadly.

                                                                                                                                1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                  Well said. Heat stroke is not something to screw around with. If Sarah was bad enough, chances are that she couldn't think coherently enough to make the choice. That's when the medics stepped in & "called it".

                                                                                                                                2. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                  Pookipichu: Huh? So you think that all people in a given experience react to environmental conditions the same? Seriously? You can't "tough out" heat stroke. You either get it or you don't. Once you get it, you can actually die from it. So, yeah, guess she should have toughed it out if that's what she had.

                                                                                                                                  I don't have a problem with Ed. Combine probable pissy mood from the heat and exhaustion and stress with editing, and I give him a pass. I don't blame Sarah, combine may have been heat exhaustion with possible anxiety of wanting to get back to the competition, who knows...I DO "blame" the editing. I think they wanted to create drama because they lost the Heather/Bev angle.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                    Sarah has the right to withdraw, rest, go to the hospital, etc. I was being sarcastic when I said she is a "Texan" and should have been able to push through it. What bothered me was what I viewed as an unfair piling on Ed. His reaction was far from perfect but it was hardly villain-worthy.

                                                                                                                                    Of course people react differently in the same environmental condition. However, she's not the only person who is overweight, tired and hot and you can see how the other contestants fared in a similar circumstance. People are creating fantasy scenarios, she had asthma, she had blah blah. She said she didn't feel guilty but she really did, etc. She came back and she was just trying to help. Where did Saint Sarah come from? I see no villains or angels on this show.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                      She *said* she had asthma. I'm not sure why so many people didn't hear that.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Bart Hound

                                                                                                                                I can kind of see his side. She got back and it seemed like immediately started second guessing how they were setting up the line and how there were serving her chicken. At that point Ty and Ed had been up and working for a crazy long time in the heat. I would of been snappy too.

                                                                                                                                1. re: lbs

                                                                                                                                  "Immediatly started second guessing..." That's certainly the story line the editors created, but we have no way of knowing how much time really elapsed between her arrival and her focus on her chicken or her comments about the way they were serving.

                                                                                                                                  We're simply missing too much information to come to any valid conclusion about Sarah's return to the challenge.

                                                                                                                                2. re: Bart Hound

                                                                                                                                  Did you miss the part where she tries to rearrange the station... right before service? Or conveniently forgetting that...

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                      she was TRYING to figure out how to help. that they had already set it up and didn't want her to mess with their system is understandable, but she was trying to get in there and help. sheesh.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                        That is the point. She was coming in after things had been set up, you would think that she could just let them know she was there and ask: where do you want me? Rather than just barge in and bash away at her own dish. That is rude and comes off, as Ed surmised, opportunistic.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                                          call it over-compensating, or over-enthusiastic. i saw it as her trying to help, get back in there and be part of the team. maybe she didn't read the situation right, but to me she doesn't come off as someone who's only out for herself and opportunistic.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                              your excuses for Sarah are repetitive and tired... you like her, got it.

                                                                                                                                              In reply to the body reacting same etc., if she has a medical condition that prevents her from being able to compete normally in conditions that 8 other people are able to endure, she shouldn't be in the competition.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                I don't actually like Sarah all that much (don't think you were referring to me), but your responses run contrary to medical science. The simple fact that the 8 other people endured those conditions says nothing about whether she has a medical condition that prevents her from competing. Different people react to things differently. Heck, the same person might react to the same conditions differently at different times. Heat stroke is a serious condition that must be addressed. And, while it's likelihood can be mitigated by things like hydration, it cannot be predicted with any certainty. Run this same competition under the same conditions 10 times, and you might find different contestants fall prey to heat stroke at different times.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: LurkerDan

                                                                                                                                                  Here's a different take on her:
                                                                                                                                                  http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.c...
                                                                                                                                                  (Look at post#46 manually if the stupid CH software bug mangles the ampersand in the url)
                                                                                                                                                  (OR: go to the url in the browser address bar and remove the "amp;" (without the double quote marks) after the &)

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LurkerDan

                                                                                                                                                    I'm neutral on all of the contestants except the Chris's. Bad hair bad. Good hair good.

                                                                                                                                                    But at what point does a person take responsibility for her own body and her own choices? If I want to run a marathon, I know I'm not physically prepared for it. Should everyone cater to me? Should they be understanding and sympathetic if my lack of fitness interferes with other participants? Should they treat me specially if I'm overweight? This is a competition on a reality TV show, not a basic human right.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                      She was treated because she was ill not because she was overweight. As has been pointed out on this thread numerous times, which you have apparently missed despite your neutrality, illness from extreme heat happens to people of all fitness levels.

                                                                                                                                                      Odd that a chef in one of Chicago's finest restaurants would think she would be physically able to compete in a cooking competition.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                        She's not a marathoner, she's a chef. There is no criteria that you be able to work that long, under those conditions, every time. No matter how a marathoner might train, you never know how your body will respond at different times, even under the same conditions. Marathoners drop out of races, even seasoned ones. If Sarah were on Survivor, I'd agree w/ you that she should be in great shape. But, she's on Top Chef. Are you saying that every reality contestant on every show should be physically fit?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                          Top Chef has never had as physically demanding elimination challenges as those that have occurred this season. Previous season's challenges were a cakewalk compared to this one.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                        I've seen seasoned runners, in superlative condition, fall to heat stroke. You just do not know who it will happen to.
                                                                                                                                                        Heat stroke is serious. Deadly even. It could have happened to any of them.
                                                                                                                                                        Sam Talbot is a diabetic. Should he have been eliminated as a contestant?

                                                                                                                                            2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                              Don't forget - Ty-Lor had to go to the hospital when he cut himself. So perhaps he's more sensitive to leaving the team. (Yes, I know - he didn't leave until AFTER service was over, but it's a possibility that is what he was thinking.)

                                                                                                                                            3. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                              "Yes, you had heat stroke..." Actually, I think Sarah was having asthma problems brought on by the heat/cooking conditions. I don't have a recording of the show so I can't watch to confirm, but I'm reasonably confident Sarah mentioned something about struggling with asthma after a night spent breathing smoke.

                                                                                                                                              Sorry folks, but if Sarah's breathing was compromised with an asthma attack, I'm with Sarah on this one. People can and do die from asthma with some frequency. Sarah's weight is a complicating factor. As her body coped with reduced lung function, it put a strain on her heart and shot her blood pressure up. Again, assuming the word "asthma" really was the medical diagnosis, Ed comes off as spectacularly quick to judge without any information.

                                                                                                                                              Sarah certainly didn't cover herself in glory by her behavior when she returned based on what we saw. But what didn't we see? Did Sarah explain what knocked her out medically? Did she apologize? Obviously, she actually made comments about her own chicken since the editors couldn't invent words which were never spoken, but what other things were said or done? How much of our disapproval of Sarah's later behavior is the result of editing and how much is based on seeing everything that really happened?

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                "But what didn't we see?" I think this says it all. The whole thing felt very manipulated to me, both Ed and Sarah's responses in it. It felt like very heavy handed editing to me.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                  Sarah did say she was short of breath after a night of standing over the smoke, so asthma probably did play a part. I think she also got dehydrated, with weight, heat, and not drinking enough water all playing parts. I feel for her up to that point. After she showed up and served the judges, then took off again, though, I lost a lot of my sympathy.
                                                                                                                                                  I was sad to see Malibu go.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                    Asthma problems - could be; yet it wasn't clear (to me) on reflection if it was shallow breathing or heavily constricted airways - or both - that was her "having difficulty breathing". Certainly she should have gone to the hospital, especially after the medic's call for The Cavalry.

                                                                                                                                                    Yet that fact does not negate Ed Lee's reaction, which was pissed-off-dom. Completely undestandable, IMO. How he (and Ty-Lor Boring) handled it is an associated (but distinct) matter for discussion. No matter how it was edited, the fact remains that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. were now *seriously* shorthanded. They took the decisions they thought best under the circumstances, such as pre-cutting the brisket etc, which in hindsight (ah, 20/20 vision) was not the way to go; or the "assembly-line" procedure which they worked out so that they could do with four hands what the other groups had six hands for.

                                                                                                                                                    Then Sarah Grueneberg turning back up, trying to commandeer her chicken back (and, seemingly, being interested only in her chicken), then chucking it all after serving the judges their plates and copping out again without feeling guilty at all - eh, it did raise my eyebrows. Why not go with the flow at that point - because after all, even though you did need medical attention, you were not there to help decide of how your chicken was finished off** and how service was to be handled.

                                                                                                                                                    [** ...and, after all, Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. didn't abandon it. Notwithstanding the faults it had, folks/judges said it tasted good even if it was more like grilled chicken, etc...]

                                                                                                                                                    I wonder if it had been possible to keep in touch with "base camp" by phone? If so, and she was able to, it might have been an idea to keep Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. informed of her status - perhaps it might even have been possible that Ed L. and Ty-Lor B. might have decided differently about pre-cutting their meats or not, or maybe just some of it, or kept their service plan more flexible (so inserting Sarah G. back into the flow might seem - to an armchair critic - more easy to do), or....??

                                                                                                                                                    Whether there was another way to do it, or whether Tom Colicchio and Co. would have cheerfully suffered standing in a long, probably slow-moving line (as Phaedrus alluded to above) without penalties being assessed against them, would be corollary arguments. Methinks Tom Colicchio *would* have faulted them for "inefficiency", "not adapting to being short-staffed", "unacceptably keeping their customers hungry and waiting for food" - while saying that they as ECs should be able to do this, blah blah blah. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

                                                                                                                                                    Editing, editing...yeah, yeah... Heh, let's see if this Sarah G. - Ed L. feud goes anywhere, or if Sarah G. and/or Ed L. each gets a "better edit" in subsequent episodes. :-) ;-P

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                      Nicely done, huiray. I think you hit all of the major points.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks. It's a complicated issue.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                        One point I would like to add is that in my opinion the producers of Top Chef are negligent. They should have provided an air conditioned RV for them to be able to get out of the heat. Or at least provided them with the football sideline fans with attached misting devices. The chefs did not appear to have anyplace to get out of the heat. They had their own small RVs in which they were cooking but they did not appear to be air conditioned. This season is by far the most physically brutal Top Chef season we have seen. They should strive to never surpass it in terms of how physically demanding it is.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                          I wondered about those football sideline mist blowers, too! Texas is as big on football as it is on BBQ so they must be quite familiar with them. I'm surprised that whoever is supposed to be watching out for liability issues didn't insist on some sort of cooling off place like a walk in reefer or devices.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                            the producers were intentionally introducing and element of physical risk and danger, a la 'survival' -- anyone who has worked in emergency/trauma medicine in the areas of the country that get up in the heat index gets to see plenty of victims during the 'cook out' season, especially occasions like 4 July or Labour day.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: moto

                                                                                                                                                              I understand that the heat was an important element in this contest. I just think it was a risk the producers should not have taken. While some other 'reality' shows are based on physical prowess this one general is not.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                We don't know for sure that they did not have access to AC. But even if the Rvs were air conditioned, they might still have remained outside much of the time because, after all, that's where the pits are. And RVs are not very good spaces to cook in, Bev's attempt notwithstanding. To throw around the accusation of negligence without knowing the facts seems a bit rash.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LurkerDan

                                                                                                                                                                  I was reading TWoP and one of the posters pointed out that on past seasons they had no air conditioning units around during filming (including at the sequester house) because it interferes with the body mikes and sound recording devices...So I wonder...

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                                    And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes? That makes no sense.
                                                                                                                                                                    I believe the Chopped studio has no AC because many of the contestants sweat like pigs.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                      I remember reading about it elsewhere too. Same issue re: the AC (none) on Chopped and the sound mikes. It's the low hum and/or the low-frequency effect of the whooshing air, something like that, I think. Sweating doesn't interfere (It's intrinsically silent) - moaning or vocalized distress is a separate matter. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                                        That's exactly right. All TV studios/stages have heavy duty AC but it's usually turned off during recording. Most well-known exception is Letterman -- he keeps the place like an icebox but it's in a real Theatre so the effect of the moving air is mitigated. And they chill it down all day before the audience arrives.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                        And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes?
                                                                                                                                                                        --- ---- ---- --- ------- ---------- ------------- -------

                                                                                                                                                                        Sweating doesn't make noise for you does it? If it does, see a doctor immediately!

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                          >>>And sweating doesn't interfere with mikes? <<<

                                                                                                                                                                          Only in movies about undercover cops and the Mafia. These days, anything that could be adversely affected by moisture is usually not in contact with skin. Mics themselves are usually clipped to a piece of outerwear at the collar or upper buttons, and the transmitters are usually belt-clipped to the back of the pants between the t-shirt and outer coat.

                                                                                                                                                                          It's not always this way, but moisture is less of an issue than you'd think.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                      the reality shows have paid staff to assess risks to the non-professional performers they're employing, and control liabilities with signed agreements with the participants. Having three cooks prepare seven dishes x 300 fressers is physically daunting in itself, and simply doing physical work outside in a heat wave while exposed to exhaust fumes carries more than a little health risk on its own. why wouldn't the producers include all of that in their calculus of entertainment/exploitation ?

                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: moto

                                                                                                                                                                      “the producers were intentionally introducing and element of physical risk and danger, a la 'survival'”

                                                                                                                                                                      I’m pretty sure the producers did not deliberately introduce a heat wave into the competition. They may have been ok with one showing up, but they can not control the weather. Sure, it’s going to be hot in Texas in the summer but last summer was hot beyond anything in recent history. Logistically, the challenges (judges, hotel rooms, etc.) were set up long before anyone showed up in Texas. If those BBQ pits weren’t already there, they were probably built for the challenge not knowing it would be 100+ degrees. My guess is that the trailers were air conditioned or else they would have been so hot the meats could have been cooked in them. I’d also be willing to bet there was plenty of Gatorade or the equivalent on the sidelines (not on camera – you gotta pay for that privilege) and, as there’s always a medic on site (for the inevitable cuts), there would have been someone harping on the contestants to “stay hydrated”. That much being said, those who heeded those words most probably did better with the heat. Those who might be in better physical shape might also do better in the heat. So as to NOT open a can of - going off on a tangent - worms, I will first point out that I am a “man of size” whose size alone would probably leave me at a distinct disadvantage in that heat.

                                                                                                                                                                      So Sarah crashes and is taken to the hospital. Ed kinda freaks – initially there’s concern for Sarah and, to just a little lesser degree, concern for himself. At the time, there was no idea that both bottom teams would end up at judges table so he’s got to be thinking, “…if we’re on the bottom, Ty has immunity and Sarah… well Sarah isn’t even here so where does that leave me?” The heat and lack of sleep is getting to everyone. Ed has all but (knowingly) thrown in the towel by slicing the brisket early and along comes Sarah looking… well… downright… perky! The kick to Ed’s head? Instead of asking what she can do to help the team, she really does seem to be preoccupied with her chicken. At that point, knowing that Sarah is not only going to survive but she actually looks well rested and pretty good, Ed loses it. I really think that’s understandable.

                                                                                                                                                                      I also think it’s very understandable for Sarah to have gone to the hospital - she probably wasn't given a choice. As compared to Ty’s cut, she may have actually been in a life-threatening situation. You can not screw with that, period. Feeling no guilt whatsoever about it? Different story. Even if you break your leg in the big football game and then your team loses, you still feel like you let your teammates down. I think Ed would have reacted much differently had Sarah not been so concerned with the chicken and had just asked what she could do to help. Just my very long opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                                                                        I actually just finished watching this episode. When Sarah was being taken away by the medics she did say how bad she felt about letting her team down. And when she returned, she asked what she could do. Ed pretty much blew her off saying they were handling it. So then she did just take care of serving her chicken to the judges and took off without feeling guilty. I think that was more a reaction to Ed's reaction. So they really both took a step down in my opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                        FWIW I assume Sarah will be gone next. As one who has suffered heat exhaustion in the past, it is not something you get over in a day. (Then again, next week is restaurant wars, so at least they'll be indoors.)

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                          "I think that was more a reaction to Ed's reaction. So they really both took a step down in my opinion"

                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, I can go along with that. It was a bit like the only thing that might have made Sarah's plight OK in Ed's mind would be if she had to stay in the hospital for days... or worse. He seemed to feel as if he had to sacrifice himself because Sarah wasn't there. He was very frustrated and a lot of his frustration got directed at her. I still think she seemed preoccupied with her chicken - I'll watch it a 3rd time and see if I change my mind... again. You got to admit Sarah looked pretty refreshed when she got back from the hospital and that might have weighed in on Ed as well.

                                                                                                                                                                          I still think the only consistently great chef of the group is Paul (and of course Nyisha). They'll probably be inside in A/C from now on so I don't know if that necessarily puts Sarah on the chopping block. There are still several who have not impressed.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                                                                            Agreed, Paul & Nyesha seem like the ones to beat. I have to admit TyLor is growing on me though.

                                                                                                                                                                            Beverly? I like Malibu's comment about being book smart, but a few chapters short on common sense.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                                                                            I watched the end of the show after reading a bunch of comments. Sarah's return didn't seem as bullheaded as people made it sound. She did ask what she could do before being brushed off by Ed and of course you'd be concerned with the dish you were in charge of. On the other hand, I agree that it's kind of messed up if she really didn't feel any guilt, the sports analogy is a good one.

                                                                                                                                                                            But I disagree with those who think she should have continued working. Her face was beet red and with previous health problems and her weight, she couldn't mess around with trying to "tough it out". And I agree that all these no sleep challenges are dumb.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                              I just watched it again because of all the comments. She asked what she could do and it seemed immediately jumped right into rearranging her chicken and her sauce but didn't get involved in anything else, although the editing was pretty choppy then. It also had Ed telling her to put her best five pieces on the side, her not saying anything so Ed repeating it, condescendingly, and she got huffy. You can fault either of them or neither because I'm sure they were exhausted at that point and stressed.

                                                                                                                                                                              I do wonder how stressed Ed must have felt when she left because he knew he was serving his food the wrong way, TyLor had immunity and Sarah was gone and historically, leaving for an injury has made people immune a la Jamie. He might have just been pissed off and uncooperative because of that.

                                                                                                                                                                              I think no sleep challenges are really dumb, too. They're not athletes, there's no reason to challenges that are physically difficult. That TC All Stars one when the contestants had to dive for their conch was beyond the scope of being a chef.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                BBQing brisket takes an hour per lb. Did you see the size of those briskets? It's an all night thing.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                              I hope they learn their lesson about brutal conditions. If Sarah had stayed and been more seriously affected by the heat and perhaps died, they would have a hell of a mess on their hands. Or do the contestant chefs sign off on that before going on the show?

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Leepa

                                                                                                                                                                                I seriously doubt that kind of waiver (possible death) would have been enforceable, especially not if they saw signs of distress and chose to ignore them, or even allowed her to continue. It could probably be considered "reckless endangerment."

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                Not just the heat, but the lack of sleep is really hard to watch. The show is about food, not about torturing contestants and if Top Chef is trying to make the show more "exciting" by doing so, I think it's time to stop watching.

                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't get the impression of asthma at all and she had to take a break again after serving the judges. It was probably a combination of everything, from breathing the smoke all night (which could easily cause non-asthma breathing difficulty) and as the owner of Saltlick said, the final seasoning comes from the cooks' tears so it's a tough process. What bothered me is her attitude that she took off because she needed it, and had no guilt. As part of a team, whether it's warranted or not, if you leave your team, you feel bad about it. Being down one team member, when you only have three, is huge. And, if you've got it planned out to have three, then losing one makes a huge difference. I'm surprised Gatorade didn't get in as a sponsor for this---feeling tired, light headed from heat, down a Gatorade and feel better. That's probably what I would have done if I were Sarah anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                  With regard to her comment about "no guilt", I thought the "elves" must have worked HARD to elicit that comment. Why would she have volunteered that? I mean it COULD have been sort of a defense mechanism, like reaction formation, but even that would have reflected her trying to suppress what she REALLY felt.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm of average weight, no breathing problems, and I simply do not tolerate heat well. I also get beat red, sweat excessively and have heart palpitations. I'm also from hot and humid South, but never adapated to the temps. So, BMI issues or not, it's not fun, potentially a health problem, and it's not easy to "keep pushing on," altho' that would be my personality, too. Maybe TMI, but it gives me some empathy for her. All that aside, it's about time for Bev to close the book on her one-short-of-a-chapter TC experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                                                                        Every summer a few perfectly healthy high school kids die from heat related illnesses when football practices start. Heat affect different people in different ways. Pushing through it is simply not an option.

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                      I just figured they asked, "Did you feel guilty about what happened?" and she responded. But, who knows what happens back stage. It's all speculation anyway--do we know she said she felt bad, or that she didn't say she felt bad, etc. Based on what was shown, it seemed that she didn't feel guilty. We could debate everything forever, based on what we don't see but speculate (lol, it does seem like that sometimes!). A Sarah fan could come up w/ all sorts of reasons for her "no guilt" answer; others take it at face value. Similarly with Ed's remark about Heather using his cake. Someone might have brought it up and he agreed; or he holds grudges. We'll never know.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                        If Heather really did use Ed's recipe I can see why he'd be annoyed for her not only using them twice but also winning a challenge with it. So what he mentioned it after she left. Big deal. Then Sarah comments she can't trust him because of this? Such contrived conflict.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You take a guy who hasn't slept and is up for elimination since his teammate is immune, who is working in the hot sun and people think he's being surly to Sarah. People would be lucky to have such restraint. Sorry I just see things differently.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                          We don't really know what Ed said for her to respond with the can't trust him comment. Editing and all that.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                            So what do you imagine he said that elicited her comments about him being untrustworthy and dark? Do you think it's ironic that she called him out for not saying anything in front of Heather then bashes him in a confessional? Or is everything okay because she's Sarah.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                              That actually resonated with me as well . . . reminded me of a slightly different version that we sang in Girl Scout camp when I was a kid (obviously--can't say I've been to GS camp as an adult ;) Our version was a little cuter though, and was a fave of mom's when she made me sing all the songs I learned at camp.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                My niece learned all kinds of new songs when she was 12 and went to camp. My sister put her on the wrong bus and she went to Bluebirds camp instead of Girl Scout camp. They figured it out at the end of the third day but by then she had made new friends and everybody just went with it.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                  If that happened today, the lawyers would have a field day...

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bobbert

                                                                                                                                                                                    I was thinking the same thing. Ah, the good old days, when innocent mistakes were, well, innocent.

                                                                                                                                                                            3. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                                                              i think that ty-lor actually made *compressed* watermelon, which would have been more technical. at least that's what it looked like to me, though they may not have said it in a soundbite that survived editing. maybe they'll post the recipe.

                                                                                                                                                                              totally agree: wrt bbq... except that maybe instead of saying "easy to make" i might say "deceptively simple"-- in a way that will tend to bite the inexperienced.

                                                                                                                                                                              ed came off as a meanie and someone who carries a grudge. i said the same thing about heather-- editing, editing. but the cake? it's a freaking genoise. it isn't *your* recipe, ed... do you want to take credit for angel food cake, too? ;-P

                                                                                                                                                                              like Debbie, i found malibu's paintings creepy

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                The watermelon didn't look compressed to me - it was a little too light colored. Couldn't tell for sure though. On top of that, I still haven't seen a chamber vacuum in the Top Chef kitchen this season. But yeah, compressed watermelon would have been more suited to the challenge.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                                                                  The Team Top Chef blog has a video clip in which Ty-Lor ways he's going to take a piece of watermelon and put the olive oil concoction on top. He didn't say anything about doing something to the watermelon slice.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                  On second time watching, I'm pretty sure I heard him say "pressed watermelon".

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ok I went and looked at the recipes at bravo. Ty-Lor's dish makes no mention at all of compressing the watermelon. You can also get some sense of how he seasoned it.
                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                                                    By comparison, Ed's dish featured compressed watermelon and says so clearly in both the title and the recipe directions.
                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                                                    Of course, Bravo is well known for getting the recipes all wrong on their website or leaving out important parts. But more tellingly, in the pictures of the dishes, Ed's watermelon looks compressed while Ty-Lor's does not really. I believe the pictures are of the extra "photo op" plate the chefs made during the competition.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                                                                      maybe i just convinced myself that the winning dish couldn't possibly be that simple, in a modernist/molecular quickfire challenge! thanks for following up. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh.....maybe it was Ed that said pressed watermelon...I still haven't learned most of the names. Sorry!

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                                                                                                          Ed's really does look like a piece of sashimi, whereas Ty-Lor's just looks like watermelon. Thanks, cowboyardee!

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                        Ed did seem to hold a grudge and that makes him less likable. Get over the cake already. And Sara obviously had a major issue. Her face was so red it was scary, and with asthma on top of the heat stroke. I've been feeling bad for the chefs in general having to cook during that constant heat wave and drought that was going on in Texas this summer, yuck. But Sara's popping back in and then taking off again wasn't cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Did people notice how everyone is calling Tom "Tom" these days? Maybe being in Texas feels more casual.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I still need to watch the last 30 min of the show, was sad to hear Chris C. was booted, and haven't seen the nudes yet. Right now I'd say the final 3 will be Paul, Tylor and...

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                          I did notice the casual "Tom" from several of the cheftestants, including Chris Crary in LCK. Interesting. On previous seasons, it's almost always been "Chef."

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                          I ate compressed watermelon once in a "modern" vegetarian restaurant in Milan - Michelin starred. It was slimy and weird. I was not a fan. so when I saw Ty-Lor making his dish was not expecting it to go well.

                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Thanks for a great recap Linda! Hope you're feeling better soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. LindaWhit ... I love you more than life itself!!

                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you !!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                            LOL! I'm *just* getting to the thread at lunchtime today at work - and I love you back, C. Hamster!

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm thrilled to get so many exclamation marks. ;-)