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gothamette Dec 29, 2011 09:36 PM

I've just come to a conclusion, after being disappointed by yet another organic, natural, good-for-me brand of PB: I love the old fashioned "bad" kind: Skippy. I love the gloppy, hold-together consistency of the stuff. I love the slightly sweetened taste. I'll try the new Skippy Natural....but I hope it's not too natural. I want the stuff I grew up on.

The latest bad experience was Trader Joe's creamy natural. It was horribly salty, for one, and very very runny. I've had that experience with other "natural" PBs. And no, it wasn't because I didn't stir the oil back in. It was runny. It was horrible.

I refuse to believe that a tiny bit of hydrogenated oil is going to kill me. Long live Skippy. Yum.

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    sandylc Feb 23, 2012 06:37 PM

    Pardon to those who already know this, but I want to make sure that no one here thinks that "organic" means "bad-tasting". Neither does "natural". It is the RECIPE and STYLE of peanut butter that is being debated here. A lack of pesticides does not make things taste bad!

    I honestly knew a man who was afraid of organic food. He had OCD and had some weird idea about organic food that I can only guess at - he gave me some organic oranges once and told me to be sure to scrub them well because they were (shudder) ORGANIC!

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      Heatherb Feb 24, 2012 06:12 AM

      LOL. Totally makes sense though, in a weird kind of way. From an OCD point of view (when the obsession is cleanliness), the germs and little bugs haven't been killed.

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        sandylc Feb 24, 2012 09:49 AM

        Ha! We were speculating that maybe he was associating using manure for fertilizer with being organic....then we had the realization that oranges grow high up in trees....then we came to the conclusion that maybe he thinks they have little manure cannons that shoot the poop up into the trees and get it on the fruit.......!

        Then we decided that the conversation was probably out of control....

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          Heatherb Feb 24, 2012 10:05 AM

          No, not at all. Mini poop cannons are a perfectly legitimate conclusion. I applaud your logic.

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            sandylc Feb 24, 2012 10:14 AM

            We could market them. All natural!

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              gothamette Feb 26, 2012 07:37 AM

              Could we call these mini poop cannons "poop shooters"?

      2. JenJeninCT Feb 23, 2012 06:05 PM

        Can't we all just get along?

        I can't possibly the ONLY one who likes both the hippie/organic/natural peanut butter(I make my own from the honey roasted peanuts at Fairway) AND Jif super chunk, can I??

        I like the former on apples, crackers and whole wheat toast or PBB's (PB & banana), and the latter on good old- fashioned PB&J's with potato chips squished between 2 slices of the crappiest white bread known to man and by the spoonful when the craving strikes.

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          Heatherb Feb 24, 2012 06:10 AM

          You can like both types of peanut butter, but i call blasphemy on the potato chips in the peanut butter sandwich. And I'm a potato-chips-in-the-sandwich fan, you just lost me with the peanut butter part. Turkey? Sure. Ham and cheese? Sure. Roast beef? Oh yum! But peanut butter with potato chips? We got beef (and not the edible kind).

          Isn't this how several branches of Protestantism and Islam started?

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            JenJeninCT Feb 24, 2012 03:14 PM

            All I can say is: TRY IT- the salty kick with the sweet is mouthgasmic! I prefer plain Lay's, Utz or Pringles, btw, and do 1/2 at a time, so the chips stay crunchy.

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              gothamette Feb 26, 2012 07:36 AM

              "Mouthgasmic." Wow. As the originator of this post, I claim to be that word's grandmother.

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                PrawoJazdy Mar 2, 2012 01:33 PM

                LOVE chips in my pb&j! I'm partial to Wise over any other kind, but they're not readily available in Seattle.

          2. BobB Feb 23, 2012 08:04 AM

            I'm with you on those runny hippie-style peanut butters, but I have a great alternative for you: peanut butter from Peanut Butter & Co of New York. Traditional Skippy-like texture, but no HFCS and really pronounced peanut flavor. It blows away the national brands. It can be hard to locate in some places, but as you're a Gothamite, finding it should be a cinch for you. I get it at a little gourmet foods shop in Boston.

            http://ilovepeanutbutter.com/

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              gothamette Feb 26, 2012 07:20 AM

              Thanks for the suggestion. It's funny - I thought this thread had passed on to the great thread sanctuary in the sky and then suddenly, kaboom, it sprang to life.

              Peanut butter does that to people. They are very emotional about it. PB is like cats. PB inspires passion.

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              truman Feb 23, 2012 07:39 AM

              Tried the Smucker's and wasn't impressed... then store-brand (ShopRite) organic natural PB was on sale so we gave it a shot... it's our new fave. I do pour about half the oil off when I first open the jar, though. And it doesn't freeze up in the fridge - it's very easy to spread. I don't know what we'll do when we move away from NJ...

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                goodhealthgourmet Feb 23, 2012 12:21 PM

                Nature's Promise? i was all set to try it, but when i went back to pick up a jar i discovered they had switched to plastic. grrr.

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                  kubasd Feb 24, 2012 04:57 PM

                  Nature's Promise is Stop & Shop's organic line.

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                    goodhealthgourmet Feb 24, 2012 06:04 PM

                    gah! thanks for the correction. we have both here, and i'm always mixing up the names :) i actually looked at the Shop Rite house brand the other day but they only had conventional on the shelf - i'll have to check again.

                    you may end up hating me for telling you about this, but since you like flavored PB you should check out the catalog from Spread in San Diego. their PB and almond butters are outrageous...unfortunately so are the prices.

                    http://www.spreadtherestaurant.com/ca...

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                      kubasd Feb 24, 2012 07:50 PM

                      no prob, I used to work for stop & shop, so i feel a compulsion to correct such things :) I saw the Spread on..... I think it was Unique sweets or some of those shows. Their flavors made me drool, seriously drool. The rose salted basil peanut one sounds very interesting, butterscotch toffee, mexican chocolate almond..... hmmm i might have to ready the spoon, and credit card! haha thaaaaanks ghg!

                      ETA: and I just saw the Chile mango peanut one..... sounds like a pre made sauce for noodles, in a good way!

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                Heatherb Feb 23, 2012 07:35 AM

                I've found that buying the kind that's just pureed peanuts is best for me. I then add honey and salt to taste until I get it right. The regular Jif (which i used to love) now just tastes artificial and kinda chemical to me. And I love me some peanut butter!

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                  eatingrainbows Feb 23, 2012 07:25 AM

                  Unfortunatly you can't have the stuff you grew up on, unless you are a 20 something person. Nothing I grew up on tastes th same, I'm 50. It is the highfructose corn syrup, it has a different taste and I don't like it. I think that the oils they use have changed too. I make my own everything now pretty much. Hunts ketchup is the only national brand that still uses sugar, but I even learned how easy it is to make ketchup, so for about a $1.50 I make my own with hunts tomato paste, apple cider vinegar, my spice blend and zylitol (instead of sugar). The same goes for mayo, I pick my own oils and seasonings. Takes about 5 minutes to whip up.

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                    tcamp Feb 23, 2012 07:51 AM

                    I don't think that is true. I grew up on "natural" peanut butter ground on site at the health food store. Just peanuts and salt. That is still what I prefer although now there are lots of packaged options. I like Costco's version but am about to get to WF to try that Santa Cruz stuff.

                    Oh, I am 50 as well.

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                    aynrandgirl Feb 22, 2012 08:11 PM

                    So do I, but for different reasons:

                    1) The organics usually don't have enough salt. They're often in the 50mg range per serving, while brands like Skippy are in the 120-150mg range.

                    2) The organics usually use Valencia peanuts, and I can't stand their flavor.

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                      will47 Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM

                      I grew up with "real" peanut butter (not organic, but Smucker's), so I prefer that to the sweetened types with oils other than the natural peanut oils. I think mixing it well, and then refrigerating before first use, will help mitigate that oily / runny thing that natural peanut butter can have when first used. There are organic / natural brands which have non-hydrogenated palm oil, and which are sweetened, so I think that you can have something that's familiar but still a bit safer / healthier than Skippy.

                      Peanut crops can have quite a bit of pesticide residue (I'm told because they're rotated with cotton crops). So there are reasons other than hydrogenated oils to avoid Skippy etc.

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                        lovessushi Feb 22, 2012 04:02 PM

                        I haven't read through every post, so maybe I missed this, but the 365 brand of peanut butter (not the organic one) is great, all natural, and has no added sugar. It does require stirring, but the end result is delicious, and tastes better than Skippy! :) Definitely refrigerate...

                        edited to add the organic one has sugar in it for some reason...but I'm still looking for an organic brand for the reasons will47 listed above...

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                          goodhealthgourmet Feb 22, 2012 05:23 PM

                          Santa Cruz Organic *Dark* Roast. pricey (about $5/jar at Whole Foods), but worth every penny.

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                            danna Feb 23, 2012 07:11 AM

                            agree totally. that's the winner in the peanut butter competition, imo.

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                              Caitlin McGrath Feb 24, 2012 11:04 AM

                              Yup, best peanut butter out there, with the deepest peanut flavor. The perfect level of salt to complement the deep roasted peanut flavor (and I'm not a big salt person). I think it gets too hard in the fridge so I leave it on the counter. I get through a jar in a few weeks, so haven't had rancidity issues.

                              Like will47, I grew up on natural peanut butter, and Skippy and the like taste all wrong to me - like sugar, not peanuts.

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                                lovessushi Feb 27, 2012 06:49 PM

                                Thanks for the tip ghg! :)

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                                  goodhealthgourmet Feb 28, 2012 05:40 AM

                                  always a pleasure :) you might also want to check for it at Fairway in Paramus - if they do have it their price is probably better than WF. (next time i'm there i'll try to remember to look.)

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                                  JudiAU Mar 5, 2012 09:17 PM

                                  My favorite as well. I liked the RIP TJ with Valencia as well.

                            2. Kajikit Jan 1, 2012 02:10 PM

                              'Natural' peanut butters taste a lot saltier because they don't have sugar in them. If you're used to the saltiness, the other ones taste like sickly-sweet glue. You'll probably like the Skippy natural. It has the same consistency as regular peanut butter and it has sugar in it, just not quite as much.

                              I HATE that gloopy sweet peanut butter!

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                                LBJR09 Dec 31, 2011 10:22 AM

                                Wait...people keep PB in the fridge?!!!! I buy the natural kind as I can't stand the sweetness and flavor of the other, but I have never thought to put it in the fridge so never had the rock hard PB experience....

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                                  sandylc Jan 1, 2012 12:00 PM

                                  Peanut butter is highly susceptible to rancidity, and I can taste/smell rancidity a mile away! Always in the fridge for me.

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                                    The Professor Jan 2, 2012 05:58 PM

                                    I keep my Smucker's Natural or Crazy Richard's in the fridge and have never had it go rock hard.
                                    Even if you _don't_ keep it in the fridge, so what if it needs a stir? Not sure what the big deal is...

                                    As far as Skippy goes, it has its fans and that's fine with me. As for myself though, I can't stand the stuff. I'm not a health food nut by any means but still, I don't want or need sugar and the equivalent of Crisco in my peanut butter. I particularly like Crazy Richard's because it doesn't even have added salt.
                                    But hey...to each his own.

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                                      rockandroller1 Jan 3, 2012 05:14 AM

                                      On my Smucker's natural PB, it actually says on it to keep it in the fridge after opening. I really don't eat PB that often so it's definitely necessary for us. When I want it, I just leave it out for a few minutes before trying to stir/spread it and it's fine. Like cold butter, it just needs a few minutes to warm up on it's own to behave well.

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                                        tcamp Jan 3, 2012 05:48 AM

                                        that is what I do too. Just a few minutes is all it takes for the PB to become easily spreadable.

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                                      mojoeater Dec 30, 2011 08:59 PM

                                      We have a small jar of Simply Jif in the cupboard. I buy it for quick and easy sandwiches I can take to work, bur most of it gets eaten when I get home from work and need a quick something to hold me over until dinner is ready. And that is eaten directly off a spoon. If there was a layer of oil or if it was kept in the fridge, it would be gross to just suck off a spoon. But fully emulsified at room temp? Yum!

                                      1. livetocook Dec 30, 2011 07:17 PM

                                        Haven't really taken the time to try the natural kind. I grew up on the smooth Kraft PB and that's what we buy. I think the 2kg jar at Costco lasts in our house for about 6weeks.

                                        I'm finding, the older I get the more annoyed I get if I don't eat what I want. I just don't want to waste my time/calories on something I don't like. I have fairly balanced meals and I don't gorge. I love my comforts and my peanut butter is one of them. :)

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                                          sandylc Dec 30, 2011 03:32 PM

                                          First point, I hope no one is blaming the "organic" part for not enjoying any given product. Organic only means that no (or at least less) synthetic chemical crap was used on the ingredients.

                                          Next, I like all sorts of peanut butter - they each have their own personality. The one thing that I absolutely avoid is the partially hydrogenated thing. Really, with what we know, there is no excuse to put it in anything.

                                          Skippy Natural is a great all-around compromise. It could be made a bit healthier, but it isn't terrible for you. It still has that creamy, salty, sweet thing going on that we all remember from childhood.

                                          Peanut butter is an emotional choice, as evidenced here!

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                                            mattstolz Dec 30, 2011 03:39 PM

                                            honestly though, is it really fair to call any peanut butter TRULY "unhealthy?"

                                            i know im gonna get a lot of response of "depends on your definition of 'healthy'" but really, in the long run, a scoop of Jif is still gonna be better for you than a handful of potato chips, or a shot of cheez whiz, or about 90% of the snack foods in the average family's pantry.

                                            in other words, i'm with the OP, i'm gonna enjoy my known and loved Jif and Skippy! long live the childhood faves!

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                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 2, 2012 05:45 PM

                                              First point, I hope no one is blaming the "organic" part for not enjoying any given product. Organic only means that no (or at least less) synthetic chemical crap was used on the ingredients.
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                                              i was going to make the same point :) the lower concentration of pesticides and toxins is precisely why i solely eat products that are made from organic peanuts (and to be honest the strange, waxy texture of Skippy, Jif, et al just freaks me out). i don't like sweet PB so it's an added bonus for me that the OG products usually aren't sweetened.

                                              but hey, there's a reason we have such a huge number of options when it comes to PB. we're all entitled to buy and eat whatever type we enjoy...and i personally think it's entirely possible to do so without likening other people's choices to feces.

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                                                gothamette Jan 3, 2012 06:14 AM

                                                Possible yes, but not as much fun!

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                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 3, 2012 12:49 PM

                                                  and much like PB preferences, the idea of what constitutes "fun" obviously varies widely among Chowhounds. ;)

                                            2. mattstolz Dec 30, 2011 03:29 PM

                                              i'm gonna do it.

                                              i'm gonna give some love to PB&Co.

                                              because dark chocolate dreams is one of the best things that ever happened to my taste buds.

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                                                truman Feb 23, 2012 07:37 AM

                                                +1 and drooling now...

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                                                  kubasd Feb 24, 2012 04:53 PM

                                                  The "Mighty Maple" one and "The Heat Is On" are phenomenal. Expensive, but sooooo good!! A spoon is the only accessory needed :)

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                                                  ediblover Dec 30, 2011 03:05 PM

                                                  I, and my 3 lb jars of Skippy, completely agree. I'm also a strong supporter of Nutella.

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                                                    comestible Dec 30, 2011 02:00 PM

                                                    I probably shouldn't even be posting on this topic, but anyway...

                                                    Peanut butter, either industrial or natural, just doesn't appeal to me anymore. Give me almond butter! PB seems like kid-only food to me. I buy Maranatha or Once Again, or whatever brand doesn't cost the earth at the time I'm in the store. Almond butter is expensive! but worth it.

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                                                      ashstark Dec 30, 2011 02:19 PM

                                                      I also love almond butter . . .along with peanut butter and whatever other nut butter I can find. You have to try the Justin's brand nut butters. They don't have any transfats but use palm oil so they spread nicely just like Skippy and don't have to be refridgerated. They even have a chocolate hazelnut butter that is WAY better than Nutella. Definitely not gross health food.

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                                                        danna Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM

                                                        have you had pistachio butter ? I had to put it on the No Buy List along with ice cream sandwiches and Girl Scout cookies because I can't stop eating it 'til it's gone.

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                                                          comestible Jan 3, 2012 07:39 PM

                                                          Haven't seen it but will look for it. Possibly even more dangerous, I've seen Macadamia Butter. Holy cow!

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                                                            The Professor Jan 3, 2012 09:06 PM

                                                            Now THAT sounds like some mighty rich and luscious stuff!

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                                                          terrierboy Feb 22, 2012 04:01 PM

                                                          Oh, yes, almond butter is sublime. I've never had any separation problems with store-made or homemade PB. When I bought Crazy Richard's, I stored it upside down from day one. While I avoid hydrogenated fats, I avoid sugar and all sweeteners but agave even more. Americans in general just seem to have such a sweet tooth.

                                                      2. chipoltay Dec 30, 2011 12:25 PM

                                                        Two things I refuse to buy salted: peanut butter, and butter. Unsalted is always the premium fresher product, it has to be without salt to distract you from any off/rancid flavors.

                                                        Runny natural PB? Oil amounts vary from jar to jar, just pour off excess before stirring to avoid runny PB. Skippy Natural is pretty good, I find it has more peanut taste, but it's definitely different from plain old Skippy. Still, it's worth a try if you're so concerned about hydrogenated oil.

                                                        I can't stand fake PB, it has the texture of paste. So you can eat that, and I'll eat the runny gloppy gloop. I just don't get why you made a post, it's like you feel bad or wrong for liking Skippy. It's still PB, it's full of natural nuts, and it could hardly be classified as junk food. Anyhow, it's not like chowhounders are above the worst of foods, just check out some of the bazillions of guilty pleasure threads... you're already in good company here.

                                                        Can nobody mention TJ's PB from now on? I've just been incredibly upset since they got rid of their valencia peanut butter and don't need to get wound up about it again. Maybe that's what the OP ate, the new TJ's PB, and I have to admit it might drive me back to Skippy.

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                                                          danna Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM

                                                          So...are you saying that in the butter factory (dairy?) and the peanut butter factory, they have a procedure by which they segregate the product into "fresh" vs. "rank" and then add salt to the latter? I mean , I see your point from that standpoint that salt is a preservative, but lets say Land O Lakes has a jillion gallons of milk going through the facility every day, is the salted butter really made from milk that is any less fresh than the unsalted?

                                                          And as to the point at hand, i vote for sludge that tastes like peanuts over the smooth stuff that tastes like more like oil and sugar. (i'll be adding my own jam, thankyouverymuch) My sludge of choice is the Santa Cruz dark roast chunky they sell at WF.

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                                                            sandylc Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM

                                                            As far as the salt in butter, goes, I view it as the manufacturer knowing that they have to keep the unsalted butter moving off the shelf/out of the warehouse faster or it will go rancid. Therefore, we get fresher butter.

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                                                              danna Jan 3, 2012 12:49 PM

                                                              just devil's advocate here...wouldn't the manufacturer have to ship the butter (or peanut butter) based on orders from stores ( i.e. they want x amount of salted and y amount of unsalted) , rather than their own wishes?

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                                                                sandylc Jan 3, 2012 01:18 PM

                                                                They perhaps make less and allow it to sit in their warehouses for a shorter period of time. Essentially, less backstock.

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                                                                  gothamette Jan 3, 2012 03:40 PM

                                                                  There is actually a recipe that calls for salted butter, a breton butter cake called Kouign Aman. I've never made it, and I too use only unsalted butter.

                                                                  Just saying.

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                                                                    freia Jan 3, 2012 05:01 PM

                                                                    If I'm not mistaken, sweet and salted butters have their place in cooking respectively. Different butters will yield different results. Adding salt to the recipe and using unsalted butter won't give the same effect as using a salted butter. I always thought the two types were offered because they were used in 2 different ways...

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                                                                      gothamette Jan 3, 2012 08:28 PM

                                                                      Of course, it's got to be Breton salted butter....which is not the same as salted White Rose (or whatever).

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                                                                      sandylc Jan 3, 2012 07:11 PM

                                                                      That's true; I have seen a few recipes that call for salted butter. I will probably get some argument here about it, but I think that it is more tradition than food science to use salted butter in particular baked goods.

                                                                      BTW, there is a bakery in Minneapolis that makes a KILLER Kouign Aman.

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                                                                        gothamette Jan 3, 2012 08:29 PM

                                                                        Good thing I do not live anywhere near Minneapolis. Or Brittany.

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                                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM

                                                                My sludge of choice is the Santa Cruz dark roast chunky they sell at WF.
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                                                                +1. easily the best store-bought organic PB i've ever had, and fortunately it's still sold in *glass* jars. i just wish it was more widely available. it's also not runny if stirred or drained well.

                                                                i'm going to pick up a jar of Nature's Promise organic to try the next time i'm at Stop & Shop. it was the top-ranked OG product in the Epicurious taste test, and the description sounds great: "Judges loved how this brand married the pure, peanut-y flavor of natural peanut butter with a thick and smooth texture more often found in standard styles. One person noted, "The toasted peanut flavor is so authentic, and it's just perfectly salted."

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                                                              sharonlouk Dec 30, 2011 12:19 PM

                                                              I'm a Simply Jiff fan myself, but don't throw away the natural PB. You can use it in cooking! I use it for a thai chicken wing recipe that's a favorite.

                                                              1. ipsedixit Dec 30, 2011 12:08 PM

                                                                I love Skippy myself.

                                                                But regarding organic PB, have you tried making your own PB? It's awesome, and really takes PB to a whole 'nother level. Just bust out a food processor and grind some roasted peanuts and season to your liking with salt, sugar or even hydrogenated oils if you like!

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                                                                  gothamette Dec 31, 2011 10:22 AM

                                                                  Ah, you've brought up the vexed food processor argument.

                                                                  Now, is it Cuisinart, KitchenAid, Viking....or what about this new Ninja thing I've heard about?

                                                                2. rockandroller1 Dec 30, 2011 12:05 PM

                                                                  I felt like you for awhile and then eventually my taste buds changed a bit, and now I really like the natural stuff. I put honey on it and I buy smucker's creamy and I think it's fine if you let it sit out for a few mintues first so it's not hard to spread. At warmer temp than fresh out of the fridge, it spreads fine and with a little honey, is very tasty IMO. I've become accustomed to it and no longer long for Jif. I bought a jar of jif about a year ago just to see if I still really preferred it and actually found it to be too sweet and kind of oily feeling in the mouth, like a glue instead of the peanutty spread I've become used to. So you CAN overcome it if you give your taste buds enough time to adjust. But if you don't want to, my heavens there is no need to. I unabashedly profess my continued fondness for Uncle Ben's chicken rice and for Kraft in the blue box.

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                                                                    Mike R. Dec 30, 2011 08:23 PM

                                                                    If you treat it right, stir it around and get a really fresh jar, I'll totally argue for Smucker's Creamy as the BEST all-peanut choice. It's got full natural peanut flavor with excellent mouthfeel.

                                                                    Another memorable PB is the ol' Deaf Smith County PB from Texas, which was a healthfood store staple...don't know if it's still around.

                                                                    Negative reviews on Trader Joe's and a weird recent buy called Organic Naturally More which has flaxseeds and cane syrup mixed in. An absolute bitch to get into any edible condition after 10 minutes of oil-solid recombination manipulation...once done, had the crunch you would associate with eating groud-up glass, not to mention oddball flavor.

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                                                                      gothamette Dec 31, 2011 07:54 AM

                                                                      I've already done the Smucker's Natural thing and as I remember, I didn't like it, although it was loads better than the Trader Joe's guano I've written about.

                                                                      I might give it another try just for comparison's and honesty's sake, and because it comes in a nice glass jar that you can keep & use for other things afterwards. But the older I get the more insistent I become on eating what I want to eat. I don't want to waste money and calories. And time, of which I have less.

                                                                      That's why I took back the Trader Joe's jar of inedible guano passing as PB. (They were wonderfully nice by the way and "traded" me the jar of guano for a carton of good non-UP heavy cream.). When I was younger I'd have just thrown out the guano and used the jar.

                                                                      What I mean by comparison's and honesty's sake is, I bought a jar of Skippy Natural yesterday, and I've got to admit this: I have become more sensitive to added salt and sugar and at first, I didn't like the added salt. (Sugar, fine.) But the consistency is, to these taste buds, wonderful. Just wonderful. And that's my deal -breaker. I don't like the consistency of natural PB.

                                                                      Some folks love that consistency, I don't. I'm going to write to Unilever and tell them how I feel. I think that this product is basically terrific - but a little less salt would do it.

                                                                      JMO.

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                                                                        freia Jan 2, 2012 04:55 PM

                                                                        I'm absolutely fed UP TO HERE with trying to reconstitute organic all nut peanut butter that has separated. Small narrow bottle, oil on the top. Thick, heavy peanut paste at the bottom. Just TRY to stir it or mix it without losing half the oil all over the side of the jar and the countertop.. And microwaving it or heating the plastic bottle thus releasing God knows WHAT chemicals into my organic peanut butter kind of defeats the purpose, IMHO.

                                                                        Hear Hear! Long live Skippy! Or better yet, Squirrel Peanut Butter, you remember, the one with the peanut on the top! (we kids used to fight over that peanut...sigh...good times...)

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                                                                          sandylc Jan 2, 2012 04:58 PM

                                                                          Just turn it upside down for a couple of days!

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                                                                            gothamette Jan 2, 2012 05:36 PM

                                                                            Can't live w/o my PB for two whole days. What do you suggest, 2 alternating jars?

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                                                                              freia Jan 2, 2012 05:40 PM

                                                                              LOL and then it still won't emulsify I don't think...the heavy goop will sit on the lid and the oil is going to still rise to the top which would now be the bottom of the jar.
                                                                              I remember my grandmother would buy huge tins of Empress peanut butter, not homogenized, and as needed, would put a large tin on the floor and roll it back and forth with her foot to mix it in the jar whilst darning socks. 2 or 3 hours of this would sort of mix it enough to let you actually hand stir the rest....

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                                                                                comestible Jan 2, 2012 08:41 PM

                                                                                I'm waiting for the infomercial for the immersion blender that can accomplish this task. That'll be the one I'll buy! LOL!

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                                                                                  mpjmph Jan 3, 2012 05:28 AM

                                                                                  http://witmerproducts.com/pbutter.html

                                                                                  One of the best gadgets I own. Make sure you get the correct size lid for the brand you buy.

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                                                                                    PrawoJazdy Mar 2, 2012 01:28 PM

                                                                                    Just saw this thing mentioned in the Jan/Feb 2012 Cook's Illustrated. How long have you been using yours, and on what brand(s) of PB? I've tried a bunch of different natural PBs, and keep coming back to Adams. It does seem like it's one the toughest to mix.

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                                                                                  gothamette Jan 3, 2012 04:47 AM

                                                                                  good for upper body strength.

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                                                                              gothamette Jan 2, 2012 05:46 PM

                                                                              Long Live Skippy! We shall rule the world....

                                                                              Actually, to be fair I did try a jar of Smucker's Creamy Natural, and for a natural product, excellent (nice glass jar too). I just spooned off 3 tsps of oil and the rest of it was nicely spreadable.

                                                                              I did add a touch of sugar and salt to the jar and mixed it in, before refrigerating. I'll see how that turns out.

                                                                              But yes, it's far better than the usual guano consistency organic good for you blah blah PB.

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                                                                                Mike R. Jan 3, 2012 08:32 AM

                                                                                Thanks for trying Smucker's (no, this is not a paid advertisement!)...gives you a nice option on the "natural" side.

                                                                                But in its heyday, no PB on earth could beat the exquisite taste and texture of Deaf Smith, IMO...it had the skins ground in. I recall buying numerous jars at the "Sunflower" health food store in St. Louis' West End on Euclid.

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                                                                            Kajikit Jan 1, 2012 02:15 PM

                                                                            Re. Kraft - try the Kraft 'homestyle' that comes with the cheese pouch instead of the powder. Boy it's good! It's got a lot more cheesy flavour and it's not any more hassle to make than the blue box. (yes, I confess, I eat packaged mac and cheese! I suck at making it from scratch...)

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                                                                            calliope_nh Dec 30, 2011 09:00 AM

                                                                            Long live Skippy!

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                                                                              AsperGirl Dec 30, 2011 08:13 AM

                                                                              Kind of like someone who likes blueberry juice cocktail but not 100% pure blueberry juice?

                                                                              If you get stuck with natural peanut butter that you don't like, you can add your own salt, sugar, flavoring and stabilizers, instead of throwing it away.

                                                                              Ingredients:
                                                                              MADE FROM ROASTED PEANUTS AND SUGAR, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: MOLASSES, FULLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OILS (RAPESEED AND SOYBEAN), MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SALT.

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                                                                                julesrules Dec 30, 2011 08:00 AM

                                                                                I sometimes wonder if it's what you grew up with (PB being a bit of a comfort food). We did have Skippy and the like but my Mom also got fresh ground from the local health food store back in the 70s. And I LOVE the natural stuff so that's what we have on hand.

                                                                                On the other hand, I recently bought some unnatural PB to make cookies. My kids ate it like it was candy, they were really impressed by it.

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                                                                                  tcamp Dec 30, 2011 04:49 PM

                                                                                  I agree with this. I've eaten "natural" PBs for so long, that is my gold standard. I've eaten Skippy in a pinch but it tastes awfully sweet to me.

                                                                                2. mattstolz Dec 30, 2011 07:51 AM

                                                                                  i wasnt a giant fan of most natural peanut butters but i do really like skippy natural. its much more like the non-natural peanut butters than most i think

                                                                                  1. ttoommyy Dec 30, 2011 06:48 AM

                                                                                    Bravo gothamette! Organic and natural peanut butters are nothing but ground up peanuts. Yuck. When I eat PB I want sugar and all the other junk in it that makes it so damn good!

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                                                                                      gothamette Dec 30, 2011 07:24 AM

                                                                                      And thank YOU for your idiotic food snobbism. Don't ever eat a cookie. Even one will kill you.

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                                                                                        ttoommyy Dec 30, 2011 08:29 AM

                                                                                        "And thank YOU for your idiotic food snobbism. Don't ever eat a cookie. Even one will kill you."

                                                                                        I was agreeing with you. Give me Jiff any day. What "food snobbism" are you talking about? When I wrote "When I eat PB I want sugar and all the other junk in it that makes it so damn good!" I really meant that. It wasn't sarcastic. I eat Pop Tarts for crying out loud! lol

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                                                                                          linguafood Dec 30, 2011 12:03 PM

                                                                                          Ha! This must be one of the very few times were sincerity is mistaken for snark.

                                                                                          Long live the Interwebz.

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                                                                                            gothamette Dec 30, 2011 12:13 PM

                                                                                            OK, OK! I guess I got my dukes up too quickly. My apologies. I didn't realize that in this context the word "junk" was a term of approbation or endearment.

                                                                                            I will raise a peanut-butter slathered Pop Tart to you, in expiation of my sin.

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                                                                                              ttoommyy Dec 30, 2011 04:21 PM

                                                                                              "I will raise a peanut-butter slathered Pop Tart to you, in expiation of my sin."

                                                                                              I'll take that!

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                                                                                        MiriamWoodstock Dec 30, 2011 06:47 AM

                                                                                        I'm using Trader Joes organic creamy unsalted, and it's the smoothest non-Skippy-type stuff I've ever had.

                                                                                        I think they're two different products. One is pure health food and the other is arguably junk food, with the oils and sugar added. No need to always choose the healthier one (I certainly don't) but can't really expect the natural PB to taste and act the same.

                                                                                        1. WhatsEatingYou Dec 30, 2011 06:35 AM

                                                                                          Hydrogenated oils are really unhealthy for you, you're body does not know how to process them! I hated eating the natural stuff when I was a kid but I love it now and will not go near the hydrogenated oil loaded ones. Whole foods makes one under their own brand 365, it has salt and sugar, is very smooth, and has no oil on top but does not contain any hydrogenated oil, please give it a try! Also, at some whole foods you can grind your own pb from their machines, try using honey roasted peanuts, its delicious.

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                                                                                            gothamette Dec 30, 2011 07:29 AM

                                                                                            Palm oil isn't hydrogenated. People have been eating it for thousands of years. On the other hand, I do think that obsessing about every ingredient your food contains might kill you.

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                                                                                              WhatsEatingYou Dec 30, 2011 07:53 AM

                                                                                              I didn't say palm oil was hydrogenated...unless if its marked in the ingredients as "partially hydrogenated palm oil". I agree it is not healthy to obsess and I don't; except for my avoidance of trans fats. Everything in moderation...I just feel sorry for the kid who's eating partially hydrogenated pb everyday for lunch.

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                                                                                              laststandchili Dec 30, 2011 08:57 AM

                                                                                              I'm with the OP wholeheartedly on this one. I have a jar of the 365 brand at home, tried it, then relegated it to the dogs for sneaking them pills. They're fine with it, while I'm back to satisfying my urges with Planters brand creamy.

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                                                                                                gothamette Dec 31, 2011 10:21 AM

                                                                                                Planters Brand creamy sounds great. We don't get it in my nabe, but I'll look out for it.

                                                                                                Who knows more about peanuts than Planters? And I love their 'peanut man' logo. Classy gent.

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                                                                                                  Janet from Richmond Feb 23, 2012 07:29 AM

                                                                                                  I was a Jif girl until I discovered Planter's creamy....it's wonderful.

                                                                                                  I'm another one who abhors natural, organic peanut butter.....blech. The last jar is now used to stuff my dog's Kong toy.

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                                                                                                    tcamp Feb 23, 2012 07:47 AM

                                                                                                    Lucky dog!

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                                                                                              mahalan Dec 30, 2011 06:10 AM

                                                                                              I agree with you completely. Well, not completely. I'm a Jiff chunky man myself.

                                                                                              Long live artificial peanut butter!

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                                                                                                gothamette Dec 30, 2011 06:23 AM

                                                                                                Glad to see that I'm not alone, all alone on this planet, in my dislike of guano-PB.

                                                                                                It's OK for you to like Jiff. Diversity is good.

                                                                                                By the way, I just looked up the ingredients for Skippy Natural. It contains palm oil, which is a perfectly natural oil. And please, let's not get off on a discussion about whether it "causes" bad cholesterol, I think that is all hooey. The poison is in the dose. I'm not going to eat 2 pounds of it a day.

                                                                                                In fact I rarely eat PB. But sometimes the urge just comes over me.

                                                                                                Long live Skippy!

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                                                                                                  Sooeygun Dec 30, 2011 07:44 AM

                                                                                                  You are not alone. I prefer the PB with all the stuff in it. Maybe because I don't really like peanuts on their own. As an ingredient (love PB cookies, peanut sauce), but not on their own.

                                                                                                  I do have a jar of the natural stuff in my fridge for making peanut sauce or other recipes where I don't want the added sugar/salt, but I don't use it on toast.

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                                                                                                    gothamette Dec 30, 2011 12:10 PM

                                                                                                    "You am not alone." I feel honored, or like Robinson Crusoe, or someone who just made contact with humanity after being exiled on a galaxy 50 light years away.

                                                                                                    Funny thing is, I do not like peanuts as an ingredient in other items. PB cookies might be the only type of cookie that can survive in my apartment longer than 2 days.

                                                                                                    There is truly no accounting for taste!!

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                                                                                                    DiningDiva Dec 30, 2011 11:42 AM

                                                                                                    Okay...I almost passed through my nose the Skippy (Super Chunky) PB sandwich I was eating while reading this thread. Woo-hoo.

                                                                                                    Guano-PB...certainly describes the organic, all natural stuff sold by Costco in SoCal. Love the descriptive humor, it works :-)

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                                                                                                      gothamette Dec 30, 2011 12:11 PM

                                                                                                      Glad you liked it. I seem to have ruffled a few feathers. (Get the joke???)

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                                                                                                  mateo21 Dec 29, 2011 10:39 PM

                                                                                                  Interesting... I hate the non-natural peanut butter for the reasons you adore in it. I abhor the spackle-like consistency of skippy, jiff, etc.. I think the worst offender is that the non-natural peanut butters don't actually taste like... peanuts. Rather odd and unappealing if you ask me.

                                                                                                  1. Chemicalkinetics Dec 29, 2011 10:26 PM

                                                                                                    Ha ha ha, this is funny. I don't know which organic natural peanut butter you tried. I have only tried the natural peant butter (not the organic ones). I have tried a few, and I like them all. Currently, I am using Crazy Richard's.

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                                                                                                      gothamette Dec 30, 2011 06:05 AM

                                                                                                      I've tried all the ones on the market in my area (Manhattan). I don't remember the names. After my experience with Trader Joe's (a store I love, and whose products I normally love, esp. their non-ultra pasteurized heavy cream), I decided, "f*** this, I want to eat what I enjoy eating."

                                                                                                      Frankly, the reason why I even tried the so-called natural, good-for-you guano (for that is the consistency of the stuff - guano) for as long as I did is a class thing. People like me don't eat Skippy, we eat the guano-consistency PB. Skippy is low-class and prole. It's like eating Twinkies.

                                                                                                      This is ridiculous.

                                                                                                      I feel so liberated to have come out of the PB closet and admitted how much I hate eating runny, yucky, guano, instead of a wonderful, industrially engineered product. Cheesh, if people can brag of their love of Nutella, I can brag of my love of Skippy.

                                                                                                      Long live Skippy.

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                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Dec 30, 2011 09:09 AM

                                                                                                        gothamette,

                                                                                                        Obviously, taste is very personal. I just thought you have a very good sense of humorous based on your writing, like "Long live Skippy" and "come out of the PB closet " I don't think I ever like peanut butter which is too consistency. When I was eating Skippy, I would eat the Chunk ones.

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                                                                                                          Reston Dec 30, 2011 03:48 PM

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                                                                                                          terrierboy Feb 22, 2012 03:51 PM

                                                                                                          Ah, Crazy Richard's, the favorite of my teen through grad school years! I love the store-made stuff I get at my co-op whenever I can't make my own. I have a Vita-Mix, which does a great job. When I want PB, I crave the true peanut taste, with just a touch of salt, preferably smoked. I cannot abide sweetened anything, especially PB. That said, we each have our preferences.

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                                                                                                          acgold7 Dec 29, 2011 10:08 PM

                                                                                                          I'm with you all the way. We had some friends staying with us who are hydrogenated-phobic. We bought them their preferred brand, Adams. After our friends left, our kids cried when we tried to make them eat the leftovers. We tossed it, and I *never* throw away food. Nastiest stuff on Earth.

                                                                                                          I've made the home made stuff as well, and I'm not crazy about that either. The kind of peanuts I can get just don't taste right in butter form. Might be a freshness issue or how they are roasted, in addition to being a different variety.

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                                                                                                            gothamette Dec 30, 2011 05:59 AM

                                                                                                            That's another thing I hate about organic "good for you" PB - it makes kids cry! It's up there with blackstrap molasses (I may start another thread on that).

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                                                                                                              Will Owen Mar 1, 2012 03:05 PM

                                                                                                              I used to dislike peanut butter, but I've always like molasses, and the more iron-y the better. "Peanut butter" when I grew up was normally Peter Pan, sometimes Skippy. and it was to me just flavorless goo that made my mouth parts all stick together. I think if the plain ground stuff with no fillers had been available I would not have cried at all, since it actually tastes like peanuts. I like TJ's Organic okay, but it's a bit sweet for my taste and WAY too sweet for Mrs. O's - I had to show her the ingredients to prove there's no added sugar. As much as I loathe and despise the Smucker tribe and its works, I have to say that my favorite organic PB is Laura Scudder Crunchy. Why organic? Because most peanuts are grown with loads of insecticides. I grew up in Midwestern farm country, and I don't need any more of that stuff.

                                                                                                              gothamette, of course our TJ's PB and yours are from two widely separated sources and thus dissimilar. The stuff we get in SoCal is very thick - I work up a sweat trying to stir it up for consistency's sake with a steak knife, and that's when it's warm.

                                                                                                          2. DuchessNukem Dec 29, 2011 09:46 PM

                                                                                                            Just for grins, you can make your own PB to taste in a food processor. Your choice as to how much salt, sweet, and oil. Mine tends to be a bit grainier than commercial but I enjoy it as rustic.

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                                                                                                              PepinRocks Feb 29, 2012 01:33 AM

                                                                                                              Hi Duchess,

                                                                                                              I started making my own nut butters: cashew, almond and walnut. I had the same problem. And then ... I sharpened the blade attachment of my food processor. CREAMY - EASY!

                                                                                                              Oh ... and the local Amish market has the most incredible homemade peanut butter EVER. It just comes right outa this machine all warm and gooey and INCREDIBLE. But I only tasted it there and didn't buy any since peanuts are actually a legume and not a nut. There is some science behind why legumes are "tough to digest" or "make it difficult" for the body to process certain amino acids or something. I forget the specifics.

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                                                                                                                gothamette Mar 1, 2012 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                How do you sharpen the blade attachment of your processor? Is there a commercial service that does this? Or do you do it at home?

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                                                                                                                  PepinRocks Mar 1, 2012 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                  Oh it's easy enough to do at home. I just used a single 1x4" extra-fine (green) 1200 grit Either of these would do the trick for you - and work really well on knives too: The first is probably the better choice, since the holder looks more sturdy. You'd pay more to have it done for you than to just buy the small stone and then be able to sharpen your knives as well.

                                                                                                                  http://www.amazon.com/DMT-D2E-Dia-Sharp-Diamond-Mini-Hone/dp/B000EVLB1W/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1330663240&sr=1-1

                                                                                                                  http://www.amazon.com/DMT-F70E-Diamon...

                                                                                                                  These have small diamonds imbedded in them (MUCH harder than steel), so use gentle light movements - first flatten out the flat bevel, then use about a 20 degree angle on the other side. then a light flattening again on the flat side, to remove the burr. Your blade will be VERY sharp in 5-10 minutes - watch your hands. You will be able to shred paper easily - and this is how you'll test the edge to find where you did a good job and where you need to give it a bit more attention.

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                                                                                                                    gothamette Mar 5, 2012 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                    Wow, that looks like a neat item. Can I use it to sharpen knives??

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                                                                                                                      PepinRocks Mar 5, 2012 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                      Sure! I use slightly larger versions of the same stuff. It's just for that one use, that this was a nice economical choice to get the job done. If your knives aren't in too bad a shape, this one stone could do it. If they are a bit abused it would still work but would take longer ... they are STILL diamonds ... they will eventually sharpen up anything. But if you really need to do a lot of work, it's good to have different grits.

                                                                                                                      Softer steel, like a food processor blade, sharpens up very easily and quickly. Once I have gotten a knife sharp, I just use the green to keep it that way (or also the tan (8000 grit) if it's one of my very best knives. The green is good for just about everything.

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