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newyorker1 Dec 29, 2011 08:15 AM

cooked lamb leg with lots of tiny holes (sponge-like) -- should I be concerned??

Hi all,

I roasted a boneless lamb leg for the first time the other night, and while I manged to avoid my main fear of overcooking the meat, I ran into something unexpected. When I sliced up the lamb, on almost all slices there are very small holes throughout, almost making the lamb look sponge-like (or maybe fried tofu-like, if that makes more sense -- see the attached pics.) I've never seen this before with lamb or any other meat. What's going on, and should I be concerned that there was something wrong with the lamb?? (Mad cow was the first thing that popped into my head, unfortunately...)

Thanks for any advice or guidance!

 
 
  1. alkapal Mar 29, 2013 02:51 PM

    contact the american lamb council and ask. http://www.americanlamb.com
    they also have a facebook page you could post on.

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      BeetMan Mar 29, 2013 03:12 PM

      Much appreciated. I sent them a note.

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      BeetMan Mar 28, 2013 05:59 PM

      Hey @newyorker1, did you get any definitive info on this? We are currently staring at some lamb chops with the exact same formation after we cooked it. So far, this is about the only thread I found online addressing this specifically. Can you advise?

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        TunaNow Apr 13, 2012 11:01 PM

        I found this pattern in a pork loin I cooked for Easter. I had never seen it before in any piece of meat in many decades of cooking. I plan to call USDA food safety.

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          TunaNow Apr 17, 2012 03:06 PM

          I called the USDA Food Safety folks who will be investigating this incident based on info from the pork loin package. They said NOT to eat the meat or even the vegetables that I cooked with it.

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            alkapal Apr 18, 2012 03:05 AM

            good for you. anxious to hear report.

        2. alkapal Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM

          if you want more feedback, you might contact some lamb industry associations…or check their sites: http://www.google.com/search?client=s...

          and i agree with hotoynoodle's comment.

          1. blue room Dec 30, 2011 09:02 AM

            My Mr. blue room just took a look at this, and is mystified too, but did suggest maybe it was frozen, thawed, and improperly *re*frozen -- the temperature change causing stretching and distorting the fibers (like a bridge shrinks and "grows" in hot/cold weather.) ??

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              newyorker1 Jan 2, 2012 06:18 PM

              So I exchanged emails with someone from UMass (despite my moniker, I no longer live in NYC), and he said he consulted a meat expert who said the holes were from the purveyor tenderizing the meat by using a needle (series of needles??) to break up the tough fibers in the lamb meat. (This was all via email; I had sent the same pictures I posted in this thread.)

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                honkman Jan 2, 2012 07:07 PM

                Most steak houses "jaccardize" their meat (mainly their beef steaks etc.) but that doesn't give it such consistency

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                  hotoynoodle Jan 2, 2012 07:51 PM

                  as somebody who has done my time working in some high-end steak joints, it DOES NOT make holes that size. nor does it make the meat spongy. it's also not done to lamb.

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                  C. Hamster Mar 28, 2013 06:11 PM

                  I seriously doubt that explanation

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                rasputina Dec 30, 2011 08:18 AM

                We eat lamb regularly too and I've never seen anything like it. I wouldn't eat it either. I'd probably feed it to the dogs though, even though I don't usually feed them cooked meat.

                1. i.like.eggplant Dec 30, 2011 04:55 AM

                  We eat lots of lamb in Australia and although I can't tell you what causes the spongy texture I can tell you I've eaten lamb like this many times before and it's never been a problem.

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                    oooYUM Dec 30, 2011 04:31 AM

                    I'm so sorry, but if that was on my plate I couldn't bring myself to eat it.....

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                      newyorker1 Dec 30, 2011 05:18 AM

                      Thanks for all the feedback!

                      @oooYUM - I agree! We cut off a small piece when we first roasted the lamb, so the strange appearance didn't really register. The next day when we sliced up the rest of it, is when we realized it was more pervasive throughout the roast.

                      @DuchessNukem - thanks for the link; very interesting article. I like this explanation (since it doesn't involve us getting sick/dying in the short or long term from BSE, parasites or worms) though the NYT doesn't specify what they mean by spongy - appearance-wise or firmness of the meat (e.g. when you press down on a steak to tell how done it is.) I think the lamb was indeed from Australia or New Zealand.

                      We do plan to chuck the rest of it (keeping a sample for the local university).

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                        blue room Dec 30, 2011 07:23 AM

                        Please let us know what the U tells you.

                    2. DuchessNukem Dec 29, 2011 07:02 PM

                      Hmm. Here's an article I found:
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/din...

                      "The competition to supply that lamb is stiff, especially from Australia and New Zealand, where inexpensive lamb racks are essentially a byproduct of the vast and profitable wool industry. The lambs are slaughtered young so that the flavor of the meat does not get too strong, but many cooks find the texture limp and the fat too wet to roast. Typically wet-aged in Cryovac on its journey to American markets, the lamb tends to be soft and spongy. "

                      Where was your lamb from?

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                        Harters Dec 30, 2011 01:48 AM

                        We also have New Zealand lamb here in the UK. I occasionally buy it if there's nothing home grown but have still never seen anything like this.

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                        Joebob Dec 29, 2011 03:18 PM

                        Was the meat prime? Could the holes be fat deposits that melted away during cooking? When I imagine the holes filled with fat, I think of wangu beef.

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                          hotoynoodle Dec 29, 2011 05:56 PM

                          lamb is graded by age, not like beef.

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                            Joebob Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM

                            OK, so maybe it was mutton.

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                              hotoynoodle Dec 30, 2011 07:13 AM

                              mutton is just older lamb, at least 1 year old, typically slaughtered at 2 years. you almost never see it anymore because it's too expensive to keep animals that long.

                              this animal isn't graded with prime or choice. just by age: baby lamb, spring lamb, lamb and mutton.

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                                Harters Dec 30, 2011 07:36 AM

                                That might depend on where you are in the world. Where I am, mutton is increasingly easy to find.

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                                  hotoynoodle Dec 30, 2011 07:45 AM

                                  very true. here in new england, i don't know that i've ever seen it. even in middle-eastern butchers.

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                          Harters Dec 29, 2011 02:11 PM

                          We eat lamb more often than any other meat - and I've never seen anything like that in 40 years cooking it. Something is not right - although I havnt a clue what that might be. Weird. Very weird.

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                            alkapal Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM

                            i just thought "eeew" -- that doesn't look like anything i've ever seen either.

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                              monavano Mar 29, 2013 03:25 PM

                              ewe!
                              get it?

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                                alkapal Mar 29, 2013 03:54 PM

                                very clever gal you are, miss ramona! ;-).

                          2. blue room Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM

                            I would contact an agricultural extension at a University in your state. Ask, they will know!

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                              alkapal Dec 30, 2011 12:18 AM

                              that is the thing to do -- they can help in a jiffy -- if they are there, though, coming in this holiday period.

                            2. tcamp Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM

                              flabby, out of shape lamb? Maybe that is what cellulite looks like from the inside!

                              1. rabaja Dec 29, 2011 10:49 AM

                                Could it be a sign of previously frozen and/or mishandled meat?

                                1. Becca Porter Dec 29, 2011 10:33 AM

                                  I recently had a ham that looked exactly like that. Grossed me out a bit.

                                  1. hotoynoodle Dec 29, 2011 08:27 AM

                                    lamb are pastured, so mad cow wouldn't be an issue.

                                    i confess i've never seen anything like it, though.

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                                      AsperGirl Dec 29, 2011 11:09 AM

                                      Prions and sheep go way back. I believe it's called "scrapie". PrPSc can be found in their muscle tissue.

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                                        hotoynoodle Dec 29, 2011 05:56 PM

                                        ya know, i stand corrected. apparently american lamb IS grain fed. yuk.

                                        that pattern looks like worms or parasites. i am not a nervous nelly about food safety, but i'd chuck it. and contact whomever sold it to you.

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