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Takeda whetstone for quick sharpening?

strangemd Dec 21, 2011 09:54 AM

I've been using the EdgePro system when my knives really need work, but it's a bit of a project to set up. Takeda sells a double-sided whetstone which seems pretty attractive for maintenance work javascript:makeWin('http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/chefknivestog...

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What do you folks think?

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  1. Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 12:48 PM

    Mr. Takeda himself for the demonstration:

    http://youtu.be/jM8U3AHvLa4

    Really, I think it will work fine as long as you can correctly hold the angle. I see it kinda between a flat waterstone and a ceramic honing rod.

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      strangemd RE: Chemicalkinetics Dec 21, 2011 01:02 PM

      Thanks Chem, it just seems like a pretty nice thing to have around for a quick touch-up. I've bought 2 Takedas, a Petty and a 210 Gyuto, and they're an absolute joy, so if Takeda himself thinks this tool is ok, I'm inclined to trust him. Also, I'm thinking about giving one to my daughter who's off at school with her Shiki Gyuto.

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        Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 02:12 PM

        "I've bought 2 Takedas, a Petty and a 210 Gyuto"

        Awesome. I remember you bought the Shiki knife for your med school daughter, but at the time you were still deciding on the Takeda. It is great to hear you like them.

    2. scubadoo97 RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 02:00 PM

      It would take some getting use to but no reason it wouldn't work well. You could even rig up a jig or incline board cut at different angles to support the blade then use the Takeda stones in a back and forth motion parallel to the table to sharpen. But if you were to do this why get the Takeda sharpener. I use Shapton glass stones for regular maintenance. Just splash some water on a sharpen away.

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        strangemd RE: scubadoo97 Dec 21, 2011 02:36 PM

        I think the Takeda sharpener looks so quick and easy (at least on Takeda's video) that it would be a good quick-fix for those times when I don't feel like doing the whole EdgePro set-up. Also, it looks like it would be easier to have my daughter learn to use it than to get her going on waterstones. She seems to be using her Shiki every day for everything, and since she's in Buffalo, she better learn to do some sharpening. Apparently, I'll be sharpening it at Christmas.
        As to my Takedas, I followed your instructions (all you folks on this board) and didn't splurge until I really learned to sharpen, but I find the knives amazing. Makes you sing while you work. I'm eyeing one of his nakiris at the moment.

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          Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 02:47 PM

          Ok, you probably know this, but just in case you don't. (you know how I am, I like to be on the caution side). Safety comes first.

          You should NOT hold the Takeda handheld whetsone by that wood stick. It is not a "handle". It serves as a balance counterweight and more importantly as a protector for your waist. You run the risk of cutting yourself when you are holding it by the handle -- as you can slip. Instead you should hold it by the opposite stone(s), like Takeda in the previous video or this guy in the following video (jump to 2:15 min):

          http://youtu.be/n7iVKRmmTNY

          I have seen the printed manual, but cannot find it now.

          "She seems to be using her Shiki every day"

          Good, that will distract her from taking your Takeda knives.

          "Makes you sing while you work"

          Ok... I am not responsible if your wife beat you over the head for your singing.

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            strangemd RE: Chemicalkinetics Dec 21, 2011 03:17 PM

            Not a chance she's touching the Takedas. Anyway, if she's home for a visit, I do all the cooking.
            I caught my wife approaching an avocado pit with the point of my Takeda gyuto and told her it was more likely to lead to divorce than adultery. Since then she hasn't touched them.
            Another side benefit of Japanese knives which I've recently noticed, is that it makes a great topic of conversation with sushi chefs, who all seem passionate about their knives. Most of my regulars seem to be Masamoto fans, with one fellow having an almost religious attachment to his Mizuno.

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              Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 04:17 PM

              "told her it was more likely to lead to divorce than adultery"

              I don't quiet get the joke. :)

              "Another side benefit of Japanese knives which I've recently noticed, is that it makes a great topic of conversation with sushi chefs"

              Absolutely. Before I get into Japanese knives, I talked about weathers and economy with the sushi chefs. I can only imagine how bored they were. Since then, I asked about their knives and what they would like to get later and what they used to own, you can totally see their eyes lite up.

              Yeah, Masamoto is definitely the standard for traditional Japanese knives, but Mizuno is very well respected.

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                strangemd RE: Chemicalkinetics Dec 21, 2011 05:21 PM

                Just meant that injuring my Takeda would be more divorce-worthy than mere adultery. She got the message and went back to using the Globals. ;-)

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                  Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 05:45 PM

                  "more divorce-worthy than mere adultery"

                  Oh... As in divorce is more serious than adultery? :P Man, I was thinking that, but I wasn't sure. I need to write this down. It will come handy when I get married. :D

                  In my opinion, Nakiri is a really great knife especially for vegetables. Now, the question is "Should you go with Takeda again or a different knife maker?" :)

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                    strangemd RE: Chemicalkinetics Dec 21, 2011 05:56 PM

                    No, man, as in: damaging a good knife is more evil than adultery and more likely to be a valid cause for divorce.
                    Damn, you really must be single not to get that little joke. Enjoy the single life!
                    Not sure about which Nakiri; tempted to branch out to a different steel.

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                      Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Dec 21, 2011 06:00 PM

                      "No, man, as in: damaging a good knife is more evil than adultery and more likely to be a valid cause for divorce."

                      Oh! Oh, that is what it means?! 8O <-- surprised face

                      Ok, now I get it. It is pretty funny. Thanks for the explanation.

                      Yes, I am really single. :)

                      Let us know about your nakiri in the future. In fact, feel free to write a review for your Takeda knives. They are certainly considered many to be the best in its class.

      2. Eiron RE: strangemd Dec 22, 2011 08:30 AM

        Watching the video, I see this having the same angle-holding issues as a waterstone, but potentially doing MORE knife damage for a beginner. It actually looks like a tool Takeda developed for his OWN style of sharpening (always a good thing, IMO), then decided to market.

        He's holding the knife flat against the board, then "scrubbing" the edge with the stone held at an angle. So you've got to keep a consistant angle & pressure over many, many short strokes. And now you have the added potential of "over-scrubbing" the same spot on the edge & creating unevenness.

        I don't know if you've ever had to sharpen or shape metal solely by hand using a file, but it takes some amount of practice to get flat, even strokes (both side-to-side & front-to-back). To me, this is very similar in configuration & use to a file. Not that it can't be done, just that it takes some practice & a lot of attention.

        And it appears as though you'll still need some water and/or soaking, so don't leave that out of your decision. In short, this looks like a useful tool for someone with a certain level of experience, but not something I would recommend as a starter tool unless the person already has hand-file experince.

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          strangemd RE: Eiron Dec 22, 2011 03:11 PM

          You make an interesting point. Perhaps I'll try the thing on a few random knives before moving on to anything special. As to the soaking, he just wets the thing, it doesn't really have to soak. It seems to me that it might be easier to keep a fixed angle with this device because you have the knife flat on a board and a wrist-support to reduce hand fatigue, but we'll see.

        2. Chemicalkinetics RE: strangemd Nov 9, 2012 06:14 PM

          For what it worth, Mark from Chefknivestogo has a few "second" Takeda hand held stone for sale at $40:

          http://www.chefknivestogo.com/tashhah...

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            scubadoo97 RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 9, 2012 07:52 PM

            It's out of stock at the moment

            Anyone have experience using these? Takeda makes it look so easy

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              Chemicalkinetics RE: scubadoo97 Nov 9, 2012 08:04 PM

              Opps. Thanks for the notice. No, I have used these. I have seen similar hand held stones, but not from Takeda, and not looking like high quality too. The one I have seen is about $15.

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