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SIX DAYS IN NYC -- PLEASE CRITIQUE MY PLAN

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VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM

OK. I've done a ton of research. I've narrowed down my picks. I still have a few spots to fill in... let me know if you have any recommendations or if there's anything you'd change.

I'm staying in the Meatpacking area.

Day 1
Lunch Katz’s (never been... dying to go)
Dinner Del Posto

Day 2
Lunch Ssam Duck Bar
Dinner Locanda Verde

Day 3
Lunch Empellon (I'm a Mexican food freak and can't get it where I live)
Dinner Takashi / Sushi Yasuda (need at least one good Japanese meal. Already been many times to Nobu and Sushi Seki)

Day 4
Breakfast B&H / Stage (B&H for french toast, Stage for corned beef hash)
Dinner Teqa (menu looks ridiculous)

Day 5 (New Year's Eve)
Lunch S’mac/Motorino (was told to share some mac then go order a pizza)
Dinner SHO?? Going to a concert at Pier 36 and would like a really good restaurant near Pier 36

Day 6 (New Year's Day)
Brunch Tertulia/The Dutch/The Breslin/Cookshop (can't decide)
Dinner PDT?? / The Cannibal / A really good steakhouse (been to Luger's many times... prefer to stay close to the hotel)

Lunch spots considering:
Lamb’s Club, Meatball Shop, Num Pang, The Cannibal, Dim Sum Go Go, A-Wah (Dim Sum), Oriental Garden (dim sum), DBGB (Boloud), Dos Toros Taqueria, Porchetta, Yakitori Toto, Torrisi, Artichoke (pizza), Da Mikele (pizza), Valelka (pierogies & blintzes), Minetta Tavern (black label burger)

Dinner spots considering:
Takashi, Sushi Yasuda, Tertulia, 11 Madison Park, Frankie’s 570

Near Hotel: (these are just some places in case I need a last minute snack or meal)
Co. (pizza), Bill’s Burger & Bar, Murray’s Bagels

If you don't see them on the list and are wondering why, I've been to Marea, Scarpetta and Il Mulino. I do prefer places that have a bit of life/energy, but the food quality is of the utmost importance. I don't want to go anywhere just for the scene -- although if there's great food AND a scene, even better!

Thanks in advance!!

Mike

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    Nancy S. RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 12:57 PM

    Do you have reservations for the places you have named? If so, days 1 - 3 look good to me. I have never heard of Teqa. Day 5 sounds good but I would skip s'mac, personally, and just have pizza.

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      VanCosta RE: Nancy S. Dec 20, 2011 01:07 PM

      I have resos at Del Posto & Locanda Verde. I booked those early as I've had trouble getting in during previous trips to the city.

    2. sgordon RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 01:47 PM

      Days 1, 2, 3: no issues.

      Day 4:
      I'd skip B&H / Stage - nothing special. I'd add Russ & Daughters for a bagel & lox fix, though.
      Teqa is... meh.

      Day 5:
      SHO is actually nowhere near Pier 36. Probably a half-hour walk, and not through the most exciting part of town. You might intend to cab it, but good luck with that on NYE... There isn't much right around P36, but the nearest proper neighborhood with a bit of life would be the Lower East Side. Probably most places there are booked solid for NYE, though. Worth checking some of the better joints - WD-50, maybe Beauty & Essex, Frankie's 17 - you never know. A couple good off-the-beaten-path Chinatown options down that way as well - Fuleen being the standout on that side of Bowery. You could also do the East Village, excellent options there (I see openings on Opentable for Vandaag, Hearth, and a few others) - but book soon.

      Day 6:
      Again, make your reservations now, especially for brunch. Any of the ones listed would be fine.
      I wouldn't do PDT for dinner proper - maybe for pre-dinner cocktails, and to grab a couple of the signature dogs before doing something else. The Wylie Dog is especially good.

      Lunch spots:

      A-Wah doesn't do dim sum (or at least they didn't last time I was there) and, frankly, they kind of suck for everything else. From what I hear they used to be good, back when everyone was raving about them, but they went very quickly downhill - even former fans have disavowed them now.

      Oriental Garden has solid dim sum, but an even better dinner. They'd be worth looking into as a dinner option ifyou have an open night. The best Cantonese in Manhattan, IMHO, especially for ultra-fresh seafood. Other good options (for dinner, not dim sum) are South China Garden, Ping's, and Fuleen. For straight-up dim sum, Jing Fong is fun, and Nom Wah Tea Parlor is beyond cute. Dim Sum Go Go is also fun, and a little more modern in their options.

      Minetta: Black Label Burger is delicious, but overpriced. Go for the steak or other menu options.
      Porchetta: Not the biggest fan, but I know I'm in the minority on that.
      DBGB: the "restaurant" part is significantly better than the "bar" part with the limited burgers n' sausages menu. The B&S are quite overpriced for what you get, IMHO, but the main dining room is pretty reasonable.
      Num Pang: fine, but not worth going out of your way for.
      Lamb's Club: haven't heard much good - nothing bad, but nothing particularly great either.
      Meatball Shop: good, but not mind-blowing or anything. If you happen to be on the LES, there are worse options certainly. But I wouldn't make a special trip there.

      Consider adding: Caffe Falai (bright, seasonal Florentine, hot spot for Italian expats)

      Dinner spots:
      EMP: Amazing
      Frankie's 570: I prefer Frankie's 17, personally.
      Consider adding: Marc Forgione (great food, boisterous scene, and Ward III is nearby for excellent cocktails), WD-50 (playful food with some of the best cocktails of any restaurant in town), and Soto or Kyo Ya (search the boards, no lack of Chowhound love for either) for Japanese.

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      WD-50
      50 Clinton Street, New York, NY 10002

      Russ & Daughters
      179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

      Soto
      357 6th Avenue, New York, NY 10014

      Eleven Madison Park
      11 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10010

      South China Garden
      22 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

      Frankies 17 Spuntino
      17 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

      Minetta Tavern
      113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

      Hearth
      403 East 12th Street, New York, NY 10009

      Dim Sum Go Go
      5 E Broadway, New York, NY 10038

      Fuleen
      11 Division St, New York, NY 10002

      Oriental Garden
      14 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

      Ping's
      22 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Jing Fong
      18 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

      Nom Wah Tea Parlor
      13 Doyers St, New York, NY 10013

      Stage Restaurant
      128 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

      B&H
      127 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

      Caffe Falai
      265 Lafayette St, New York, NY 10012

      Kyo Ya
      94 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

      Please Don't Tell
      113 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10009

      Marc Forgione
      134 Reade Street, New York, NY 10013

      Porchetta
      110 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

      Num Pang Sandwich Shop
      21 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

      DBGB
      299 Bowery, New York, NY 10003

      SHO Shaun Hergatt
      40 Broad St, New York, NY 10004

      Ward III
      111 Reade St, New York, NY 10013

      The Meatball Shop
      84 Stanton St, New York, NY 10002

      A-Wah
      5 Catherine St, New York, NY 10038

      Vandaag
      103 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

      The Lambs Club
      132 W 44th St, New York, NY 10036

      Beauty & Essex
      146 Essex St, New York, NY 10002

      Teqa
      447 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

      Frankies 570 Spuntino
      570 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

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        VanCosta RE: sgordon Dec 20, 2011 07:28 PM

        Thank you! I'm working on changing NYE plans.
        I've heard B&H has incredible challah French toast from multiple sources. Have you tried it?

        I'm definitely going to check out your recommendations that weren't on my list.

        Any thoughts on a great steakhouse on the city?

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          kathryn RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 07:49 PM

          Top french toast in the city right now IMO is at City Bakery. They are sometimes closed for holidays; call ahead.

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          City Bakery
          3 W 18th St, New York, NY 10011

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            gutsofsteel RE: VanCosta Dec 21, 2011 09:59 PM

            Keens for steak.

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            Keens
            72 West 36th St., New York, NY 10018

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              VanCosta RE: gutsofsteel Dec 21, 2011 10:29 PM

              You're the 2nd person today that made that recommendation. They even went as far as saying it's better than Luger's!

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                sgordon RE: VanCosta Dec 22, 2011 09:49 AM

                I generally shy away from suggesting steakhouses to visitors. Depending where you're coming from, you can probably get a decent dry-aged steak around your home base somewhere. Are Keen's and Luger's better? Probably. But it might be a case of diminishing returns for the price. I'd sooner use my limited dining nights to go places with more creativity / chef's vision.

                That said, you'll have a great steak at either. But right now there's another thread going on regarding steak - and you might want to peruse it. Specifically, you might want to consider Craft. While the steaks at Keen's and Luger's are buttery soft and delicious, the 30-day steak at Craft is probably the most nutty, blue-cheesy funky one in town. Don't know if it's the temperature they age it at or what, but they're doing something right. You can get your steak fix - but also order quite a lot more, and in terms of sides it'll far surpass any steakhouse's offerings.

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                Craft
                43 E. 19th St., New York, NY 10003

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          kathryn RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 01:51 PM

          > Day 3
          > Dinner Takashi / Sushi Yasuda (need at least one good Japanese meal. Already been many times to Nobu and Sushi Seki)

          These are two totally different places in terms of cuisine and atmosphere.

          For Yasuda, do you already have a reservation?

          For Takashi, how many people are in your party? The wait may be very long (they only take reservations for parties of four or more). The restaurant was recently featured on Anthony Bourdain's The Layover.

          > Lunch S’mac/Motorino (was told to share some mac then go order a pizza)

          Save that stomach space for pizza!

          > Dinner SHO?? Going to a concert at Pier 36 and would like a really good restaurant near Pier 36

          Pier 36 is on the Lower East Side at 299 South Street, SHO is not that close to it, SHO is near Wall Street at 40 Broad St. That's a good 1/2 hour walk away.

          The only upscale restaurant I can think of on the LES is WD-50 and from their OpenTable page, they appear to be fully booked for early seatings (~6pm). They do serve at the bar, though.

          > Day 6 (New Year's Day)
          > Brunch Tertulia/The Dutch/The Breslin/Cookshop (can't decide)

          Tertulia's brunch is OK, not great. The Dutch has a pretty good brunch, good if you are into savory items. The Breslin has excellent brunch for both savory and sweet. I'd give the Breslin the edge over the ones you listed. Of course, call to confirm these are all open on January 1st.

          > Dinner PDT?? / The Cannibal / A really good steakhouse (been to Luger's many times... prefer to stay close to the hotel)

          I'm not sure what you're asking for here... none of the options you listed are near your hotel.

          PDT is good for drinks and hot dogs, but not a proper dinner.

          > Lunch spots considering:
          > A-Wah (Dim Sum),

          A-Wah does not serve dim sum, they are more known for claypot rice BUT I think general consensus here is that it's gone way downhill (I have had really dried out rice there).

          > Yakitori Toto

          Note that Yakitori Totto is not open for weekend lunch, only weekday lunch.

          > Torrisi

          Torrisi only serves lunch Thurs-Sat and they are now serving their $60 prix fixe menu. If you want their famous sandwiches, you will need to go to Parm.

          > Da Mikele

          Da Mikele is the sister restaurant of Luzzo's and I think Motorino will be much better.

          > Valelka (pierogies & blintzes)

          Valelka? Do you mean Veselka?

          > Minetta Tavern (black label burger)

          Note that Minetta Tavern is only open for lunch Wednesday through Friday. They do serve weekend brunch but I believe they will be closed New Year's Day.

          > Dinner spots considering:
          > Takashi, Sushi Yasuda, Tertulia, 11 Madison Park, Frankie’s 570

          If you don't already have a dinner reservation for Eleven Madison Park, it's going to be tough to get in. They are pretty much fully booked every single night, four weeks in advance.

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          Yakitori Totto
          251 W 55th St, New York, NY 10019

          Eleven Madison Park
          11 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10010

          Sushi Yasuda
          204 E 43rd St, New York, NY 10017

          Minetta Tavern
          113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

          Veselka
          144 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Please Don't Tell
          113 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10009

          S'Mac
          345 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

          SHO Shaun Hergatt
          40 Broad St, New York, NY 10004

          The Breslin
          20 W 29th St, New York, NY 10001

          Torrisi Italian Specialties
          250 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

          Motorino
          349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

          Takashi
          456 Hudson St, New York, NY 10011

          A-Wah
          5 Catherine St, New York, NY 10038

          The Dutch
          131 Sullivan St, New York, NY 10012

          Da Mikele
          275 Church St, New York, NY 10013

          Parm
          248 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

          Tertulia
          359 6th Ave, New York, NY 10011

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            VanCosta RE: kathryn Dec 20, 2011 07:35 PM

            Thanks Kathryn!
            No worries about WD-50. I've been there and it was good, but nothing I'm rushing back for.

            I don't have a res for Yasuda or Takashi. I'll have 4 ppl with me. Looking for some great sushi/Japanese (other than Nobu, Seki, Morimoto and Masa)... anywhere you particularly recommend.

            Veselka is what I meant. Sorry about the typo.

            It's not looking like I'll make 11 Madison Park this trip... but I really want to get back soon to try it out.

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              kathryn RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 07:50 PM

              Yeah, there's just really no other high end restaurant near your concert venue.

              For Yasuda, it seems more suited to a smaller group, like 2 people, sitting at the bar, to get the full experience.

              For Takashi, it is really great and I'd highly recommend making a reservation ASAP as the place is not very large -- they take them on their web site.

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                ukitali RE: VanCosta Dec 21, 2011 09:12 AM

                For Pierogis/blintz try Stage restaurant, a tiny counter place on 2nd Ave right across the street from B&H. The workers are all Polish and Ukrainian. They may be closed Xmas Eve and Day though (they're always closed on Sunday) Veselka is an ok fall-back. More expensive and not as authentic in my option. Ukrainian East Village Restaurant on the same block is a good authentic option for Eastern European food.

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                Veselka
                144 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

                Stage Restaurant
                128 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

                Ukrainian East Village Restaurant
                140 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

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              Simon RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 02:02 PM

              Sounds like a fun trip...here are a few thoughts:

              -- personally, for sushi i would recommend either Ushiwakamaru or if you wanted to really splurge 15 East...for non-sushi, Aburiya Kinnosuke might be one to consider...

              -- i'd also add Soba Koh to your list, maybe for a lunch: it's the best soba i've eaten outside of Japan and the anago tempura is delicious too...

              -- while i go to DBGB a lot, i think of it more of a spot for drinks: i go to the bar there and get some oysters or sausage rather than eating a full dinner (though the armagnac souffle dessert is nice too)...

              -- consider Pulqueria for Mexican...it's trendy and semi-hidden and some find it overpriced, but the tacos are authentic Mexico City-style and delicious...

              -- i don't think Meatball Club is worth a visit on a short trip...it's not bad, but it's not all that good either...

              -- You also may want to put Kin Shop on your radar...

              Please report back after the trip and tell us your impressions...cheers...

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              15 East
              15 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

              SobaKoh
              309 E 5th St, New York, NY 10003

              Aburiya Kinnosuke
              213 E 45th St, New York, NY 10017

              Ushiwakamaru
              136 W Houston St, New York, NY 10012

              DBGB
              299 Bowery, New York, NY 10003

              The Meatball Shop
              84 Stanton St, New York, NY 10002

              Kin Shop
              469 6th Ave, New York, NY 10011

              Pulqueria
              11 Doyers St, New York, NY 10038

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                VanCosta RE: Simon Dec 20, 2011 07:41 PM

                15 East looks pretty good and is near my hotel (I think).

                Thanks for the Kin Shop reco... you're the 2nd person to recommend it.

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                  Simon RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 07:57 PM

                  If you have 5 people in your party, the sushi bar at 15 East is out (it's very small and i'm almost positive they won't take a res of that size)...i've never eaten at the tables there: the space is pleasant though: darker than the sushi bar, cozy and elegant...but for me the main reason to go there is to sit at the sushi bar for Masato-san's omakase.

                  Given the size of your party, i'd suggest going to an izakaya-style place like Aburiya or Sakagura instead of sushi.

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                    Nancy S. RE: Simon Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM

                    I have eaten at both the bar and at a table. Although I prefer the bar, sitting at the table was quite nice and delicious.

              2. GroovinGourmet RE: VanCosta Dec 20, 2011 08:03 PM

                If you are a Mex fan and Toloache is close by it's worth popping in. Great ceviches and guacs, massive tequila selection. Groovy place.

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                Toloache
                251 West 50th Street, New York, NY 10019

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                  VanCosta RE: GroovinGourmet Dec 20, 2011 08:12 PM

                  That menu is right up my alley. Thanks!

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                    VanCosta RE: VanCosta Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM

                    OK. It was a whirlwind week in NYC. I got out there and covered a lot of ground and ate all I could.

                    Here are some quick thoughts on where I ate:
                    Katz's -- best pastrami sandwich I've had to date. Now I'm dying to get out to Langer's in L.A. to see how they compare.

                    Yonah Shimmel's Knishes -- I walked over there after Katz's and got a garlic potato knish (that's what they recommended). Damn good but wish I had someone with me to share. Too much food after that sandwich.

                    Del Posto -- We did the 5 course dinner. Charred octopus was great. The Tortello Puzzone (stuffed w/ talleggio and served w/ truffle butter) was one of the best pastas I've eaten. Pumpkin Capellacci was good as well. The Burnt Beef was a big disappointment... I guess when they say Burnt Beef, if means when you order a medium rare steak you get it medium well. Desserts were great.

                    Tried to go to Empellon for lunch on day 2 only to find they only open for lunch on the weekends. I ended up hopping in the cab and going to Eataly. Had a frito misto there and it was excellent. Great options to eat there... the pizza looked great. I tried to buy a few things there to take home, but the service was absolutely atrocious on the floor of the store.

                    Locanda Verde -- Burrata was decent, nothing compared to Il Mulino's. Steak tartare was good. Lamb meatball sliders were excellent. The pastas we tried were an overall disappoint IMO. Grandma's ravioli was just ok. Same w/ the linguini... fairly boring. The pumpkin agnolotti was delicious and the orechhiette was good, but I had a hard time finding any sausage in the dish.

                    The next day, a friend in town recommended going to Dominique Ansel for breakfast. This bakery/patisserie was impressive. If I lived in NYC, I'd be a regular here for sure. Everything looked amazing. We each had a breakfast sandwich (steamed egg, gruyere on a super fresh brioche bun) and then split an almond croissant at their recommendation. Both were excellent. If you're in SoHo, you need to stop in and check this place out! One of the highlights of my trip.

                    Then off to lunch at Yakitoi Totti. I order about a 1/2 dozen different yakitori and all were good. My friend (who worked 2 blocks away and had never heard of the place) ordered the short rib don and it looked excellent. I chose this place because Thomas Keller named this one of his favorite spots in NYC... he recommended the chicken hearts, but unfortunately, they only serve those at dinner.

                    Had a lobster cocktail as a snack from Marble Lane in the Dream Hotel and then ventured over to Artichoke for some pizza. The artichoke pizza was good even though I am not a fan of artichokes (kind of a hybrid of a NY and Chicago pizza). The meatball pizza was really good, but needed more meatballs on it. The white pizza was AMAZING and something I'd definitely go back for (but you can't order by the slice). The side order of meatballs were nice and tender, but the sauce was way too acidic for my taste.

                    The following day was lunch at Parm. What a treat! I ordered a ball of freshly made mozzarella which was garnished with olive oil and sea salt. Then I had a meatball parm roll. Both were excellent! Another highlight of my trip!

                    Dinner at Craft -- I chose Craft because I had a couple of picky eaters with me they have a very diverse menu. You might be surprised to know that it was probably the best dinner I had in NYC this trip. The roasted foie gras and banana was delicious. The sweetbreads were bread and perfectly cooked. The braised octopus was the most tender I've ever eaten (and I order it every time I see it on a menu). Oysters were excellent. Wagyu carpaccio was excellent. Big eye tuna was really good as well. The 30-day aged ribeye for 2 was expensive ($125) but worth every penny! The sides were great too... shishito pepper, mashed, tompette royale mushrooms and the duck risotto were all on point.

                    Sat. brunch was back to Empellon. I had the braised tongue tacos that were made w/ chorizo as well. Excellent! I also ordered the chilaquiles... I was a bit disappointed with these as I prefer them much less crispy. My friend had a short rib burger w/ refried beans, oaxacan cheese & fried egg. It was excellent.

                    New Year's dinner was at Frankie's 17. They had a 5-course dinner that was pretty good. The highlight for me was the the confit suckling pig. I'd love to go back and try it when they have a full menu.

                    I was up early on my last full day in the city, so I decided to walk to Murray's for a bagel. On the way, I spotted the Donut Pub which was recommended by a good friend for their French crullers. So I stopped in and they were out of the regular crullers, so I had to settle with a chocolate-dipped cruller. Excellent! Then off to Murray's... line out the door and 20 minute wait to order. I ordered a bagel with cream cheese and wild salmon. I was impressed by their variety of lox options (8 or 9 I think). I was unimpressed that they wouldn't toast my bagel. I only like my bagels toasted, so it seemed kind of chewy. I will say though, that when I arrived home with the dozen I bought to go, the bagel was pretty good toasted.

                    Brunch at the Breslin. Goat cheese tart was just ok. Crust was great but not enough of it. The ham & 3 cheese with a fried egg was great as were the hash browns. 90% of the people in there must've ordered the lamb burger and it looked delish.

                    One more meal... and headed to Motoino for some pizza and meatballs. Excellent place to finish off a great week!

                    Now back to the diet!!

                    Thanks for all your help with the recommendations!!

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                    Katz's Delicatessen
                    205 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                    Yonah Schimmel's Knishes
                    137 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                    Yakitori Totto
                    251 W 55th St, New York, NY 10019

                    Frankies 17 Spuntino
                    17 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

                    Murray's Bagels
                    500 6th Ave, New York, NY 10011

                    Del Posto
                    85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                    Il Mulino
                    86 W 3rd St, New York, NY 10012

                    Craft
                    43 E. 19th St., New York, NY 10003

                    Donut Pub
                    203 W 14th St, New York, NY 10011

                    Artichoke
                    328 E 14th St, New York, NY 10003

                    Locanda Verde
                    377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

                    The Breslin
                    20 W 29th St, New York, NY 10001

                    Motorino
                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

                    Eataly
                    200 5th Ave, New York, NY 10010

                    Parm
                    248 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

                    Marble Lane
                    355 W 16th St, New York, NY 10011

                    Dominique Ansel Bakery
                    189 Spring St, New York, NY 10012

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                      kathryn RE: VanCosta Jan 3, 2012 01:26 PM

                      > I was unimpressed that they wouldn't toast my bagel.

                      This isn't unique to Murray's -- lots of places won't toast them. As a whole, New Yorkers typically don't toast their bagels.

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                        VanCosta RE: kathryn Jan 3, 2012 01:31 PM

                        Well shame on New Yorkers then!! (so says the California boy) ;-)

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                        Pan RE: VanCosta Jan 4, 2012 04:03 AM

                        Glad you enjoyed, and thanks for giving us such a complete report!

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