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sueatmo Dec 19, 2011 08:10 PM

I roasted a cauliflower tonight with butter and sweet curry powder. I was wondering how an East Asian cook might feel about using curry powder for roasting a vegetable. Would she think it totally weird? And then I wondered about how people from other cultures might use American ingredients. Would they use them in a way I would think was totally weird? So, I thought I'd ask here. Do you know of ways American ingredients, such as chocolate chips, pecans, sweet corn, popcorn, pumpkin, cream cheese, chili powder, or any other American food is used elsewhere that is a surprise?

And now I will tell you that I saw one episode of Nigella Lawson's that featured chili! I was so surprised. But what really raised my eyebrows, was how she seasoned it--she used dried red chilies. No chili powder. I have to admit I thought that strange.

How about you?

  1. almond tree Dec 19, 2011 09:39 PM

    Here in Israel many cooks add large chunks of pumpkin to chicken soup. (I don't care for it myself - like the 2 flavors, but not together.) Sweet corn is a popular pizza topping.
    Speaking of chili powder, it's not commonly used here. I hunt for bottles of McCormick's in specialty stores. I don't recall ever seeing curry powder in 20 years living in this country, although turmeric is extremely popular.
    Almost forgot -- popcorn is sold pre-popped and pre-salted in large bags, at pitzuchiot (kiosks with a variety of nuts & seeds for snacking), and eaten cold.

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      DougRisk Dec 20, 2011 05:56 AM

      "Speaking of chili powder, it's not commonly used here."

      What about spicy food in general. I figured, with your climate, spicy food would be pretty popular.

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        ferret Dec 20, 2011 06:37 AM

        While chili powder may not be common in Israel, you can find a lot of hot-pepper-based sauces and condiments (common throughout the Middle East) like schug, harissa and others.

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          almond tree Dec 20, 2011 02:10 PM

          Yes, ferret is right. I think American chili powder may not be hot enough for Middle Eastern tastes!

    2. KaimukiMan Dec 19, 2011 10:20 PM

      spam musubi - of course it is hawaiian, not true japanese, but not something you expect to find in Minnesota where spam was invented.

      1. KaimukiMan Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM

        picture of spam musubi

         
        1. luckyfatima Dec 20, 2011 05:49 AM

          Corn on pizza and french fries on hamburgers are two things I have seen in the Middle East and South Asia. Also in South Asia, putting ketchup on pizza and spaghetti as a condiment.

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            Cachetes Dec 20, 2011 09:15 AM

            That's the one that came to mind for me - ketchup on pizza, in Mexico.

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              pine time Dec 23, 2011 08:20 AM

              Yup, ketchup on pizza in India, too.

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              sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 05:28 AM

              corn goes on salads and pizza in many parts of Europe, too -- never eaten as a vegetable unto itself.

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                butzy Jan 3, 2012 06:29 AM

                sweet corn on the cob is eaten by itself...... Sometimes with a meal, sometimes on the bbq.
                But I agree it's more common to buy sweetcorn canned and then mix in salads etc

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                  sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 07:05 AM

                  not in France -- what little sweet corn you can find in the shops (and many markets) is dried out and old, because nobody eats it (and I won't buy it either, because it's old and starchy and gross)...I did find some excellent corn on the cob this summer at the local u-pick, and the guy was all excited because I was neither Asian nor African, his usual market for corn on the cob.

                  In France, corn is "for the pigs" and isn't eaten by itself.

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                  sandylc Jan 3, 2012 10:45 AM

                  The thing is, corn is a grain, not a vegetable. People insist on considering it a vegetable in the US. This is a dietary mistake - it is a starchy grain. My mother still insists that corn is a vegetable, and when menu planning I will ask her what vegetables she is considering, and she will say "corn".

                  My family LOVES our meat, but we will frequently have several vegetable dishes as our meal. Being from the south, Mom still thinks, "meat and starch"!

                  It sounds like the French see corn as a starch, which would be correct.

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                    sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM

                    No, the French see corn as animal feed. Period.

                    When it's used for human consumption, it's only as a garnish.

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                      sandylc Jan 3, 2012 12:42 PM

                      You got me! I should have said that the French see corn as a grain - (and evidently a not-for-people grain!) I wonder what French foods Americans see as animal feed? There must be some?...

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                      sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM

                      I just want to point out that some veggies are quite starchy, for instance winter squashes and potatoes.

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                        sandylc Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM

                        That's true, veggies have carbs and can be very starchy. Corn is still a grain, though.

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                          sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM

                          and tomatoes are fruit.

                          But they're eaten as a vegetable.

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                            sandylc Jan 3, 2012 12:58 PM

                            Aren't there others like that? Isn't a cucumber a fruit? You have me curious now...I found this interesting link:

                            http://oklahoma4h.okstate.edu/aitc/le...

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                  DougRisk Dec 20, 2011 05:58 AM

                  SueAtmo, I did not realize that Chocolate chips were an American Ingredient. I am not doubting, I simply did not know.

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                    luckyfatima Dec 20, 2011 06:05 AM

                    Yep I am wary of taking things as an American ingredient since I don't know the origins of every single item. Like American by brand or New World by origin???

                    I also thought of popcorn: When I lived in Oman I saw that flowing amounts of popcorn were necessary in a baby's first birthday celebration. I am not sure what the significance of this is. Also, I had a Nepalese friend who is from a Buddhist (Sino-Tibetan) Nepali ethnicity and her people drink salty butter tea. She put popcorn in her tea and drank it. She said that's how people enjoyed popcorn with their tea back home and they actually ate a lot of popcorn as a snack.

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                      sueatmo Dec 20, 2011 07:08 AM

                      "Chocolate chips are a required ingredient in chocolate chip cookies, which were invented in 1937 when Ruth Graves Wakefield of the Toll House Inn in the town of Whitman, Massachusetts added cut-up chunks of a semi-sweet Nestlé chocolate bar to a cookie recipe. The cookies were a huge success, and Wakefield reached an agreement in 1939 with Nestlé to add her recipe to the chocolate bar's packaging in exchange for a lifetime supply of chocolate. Initially, Nestlé included a small chopping tool with the chocolate bars. In 1941 Nestlé and one or more of its competitors started selling the chocolate in chip (or "morsel") form.[1] The Nestlé brand Toll House cookies is named for the inn."---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolat...

                      I guess it is possible that Nestle started making these in Europe too. Since the chips originated with Toll House cookies, I assume chocolate chips are an American invention. Maybe someone knows different?

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                        sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 05:29 AM

                        don't know who invented them, but teeny little chocolate chips, called pepites, are available at most grocery stores in France (Tollhouse-sized chips or chunks exist, but are a little tougher to chase down).

                    2. RUK Dec 20, 2011 06:09 AM

                      About the any other American food - on a recent trip to Iceland we were amazed to see Hamburger and Fries. The hamburgers looked GREAT, they were a step up but no less hamburgers. We saw typical American-Mexican dishes and many versions of Pizza.
                      The modern Icelander seems to eat more than Sheep, Fish, Whale and Puffin dishes. :-)
                      ( as an aside, the Seafood dishes were most memorable and the Puffin does not taste like Chicken )

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                        BobB Dec 20, 2011 08:11 AM

                        What I remember most about Icelandic cuisine was the lamb - incredibly tender and flavorful, the best I've ever tasted anywhere.

                      2. hannaone Dec 20, 2011 06:11 AM

                        In Korea I once had a pizza that used canned tomato soup as the base for the sauce.
                        Spam is used in soups, kimbap, as a ban chan dish, etc
                        I have seen corn seasoned with chopped green onion and crushed chili peppers as a side dish.

                        1. arashall Dec 20, 2011 06:36 AM

                          In Thailand sweet corn is served as a yummy street-food snack/dessert, with a huge glob of butter on top, and sometimes sugar or chilies. At the movies, you choose between sweet or salty popcorn, or a mix. Tortilla chips (American junk food style), also come in "shrimpy" flavor. Not so yummy.

                          1. ipsedixit Dec 20, 2011 06:44 AM

                            American cheese (those pre sliced, individually wrapped ones) used in Chinese fried rice as a sheet of cover over a mound of rice. With some Heinz Ketchup, of course.

                            1. Monica Dec 20, 2011 07:00 AM

                              Corn...corn in ramen...sauteed corn on a hot stone is very popular in Korea and Japan.
                              and yes, spam is used for stew, kimbab and other side dishes in Korea...it's quite popular.

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                                sueatmo Dec 20, 2011 07:09 AM

                                I meant to list peanut butter in the list of American foods. Does peanut butter get used outside the USA?

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                                  Harters Dec 20, 2011 08:48 AM

                                  Commonly available in Europe. I use it as a base for satay sauce but I assume that's not a surprising use as it's frequently quoted as the main ingredient

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                                    tokyo Dec 26, 2011 07:37 PM

                                    Peanut butter was coming into use in the early 2000's in Ecuador, but not as a sweetened spread as Americans eat it. Most Ecuadoreans that I knew weren't fond of it on it's own. I was served a breakfast porridge that incorporated peanut butter and fish. I didn't enjoy it, but I can hardly stomach fish at all, let alone one that has been puréed with salty peanut butter!

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                                    butzy Dec 20, 2011 08:55 AM

                                    YES!!
                                    Very popular for breakfast in the Netherlands were I grew up. I don't care much for it though. The only time I use it is for satay sauce.
                                    I live in Southern African now and peanut butter is eaten here as well, also mainly for breakfast, but also in stews and soups

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                                      BobB Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM

                                      I'm guessing that's a fairly recent development. I lived in Germany for a while in the mid-1970s and at that time you could only find peanut butter in the gourmet import shops.

                                      On the other hand, the Netherlands have long had a strong Indonesian cultural influence, so maybe that explains it.

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                                        butzy Dec 20, 2011 09:05 PM

                                        Definitely not a recent development......
                                        Even so that most people there consider peanut butter typically Dutch !
                                        As Dutch as Hagelslag and cheese
                                        I was a youngster in the late 60's and early seventies and that was what most of my friends would have in their lunch box: sandwiches with either peanut butter or hagelslag or cheese.
                                        Mine were with pate or salami :)

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                                          lynnlato Jan 5, 2012 03:35 PM

                                          My father was in the army in the 60's and was stationed in Germany for a time. He had peanut butter on pizza there. Not sure where or why but I remember him telling me that.

                                          I know several Swedes who think peanut butter is disgusting. But I think their fish paste in a tube is truly vile, so we're even. ;-)

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                                            linguafood Jan 5, 2012 05:45 PM

                                            Peanut butter on pizza? In Germany? I'd love to hear where and why.

                                            Cuz that stuff was unheard of outside of army bases when I grew up (70s/80s).

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                                              BobB Jan 6, 2012 08:26 AM

                                              Not totally unheard of - as I mentioned above, I did find it back then in the gourmet shops. But I didn't buy it, as I was poor and it was expensive, and I'm not THAT big a peanut butter fan anyway. Always did love the German name for it though - erdnussmus. Just saying it makes you sound like your mouth is full of it.

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                                                linguafood Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM

                                                That's funny! I know it only as Erdnussbutter. But I'm no child of the 60s '-)

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                                          sueatmo Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM

                                          I have made a JOC recipe years ago from West Africa that used peanut butter, beef and okra, among other things. It was very good. The recipe is not longer in the newer editions though.

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                                            sueatmo Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM

                                            I eat peanut butter for breakfast myself, from time to time. Is the breakfast use a Peanut Butter and Jelly? Or maybe a Peanut Butter and Banana?

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                                              butzy Dec 20, 2011 09:01 PM

                                              Normally plain peanut butter, sometimes with hagelslag (chocolate sprinkle) on top.
                                              I never heard of anyone in Holland eating peanutbutter-jelly sandwiches or peanut butter and banana.

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                                                sueatmo Dec 21, 2011 07:33 AM

                                                Well, peanut butter, banana and bacon is a very good sandwich. But I believe that peanut butter with chocolate sprinkles would also be very good. If you had a growing boy to feed, perhaps you could make a peanut butter, banana, bacon and chocolate sprinkles?

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                                                  ipsedixit Dec 21, 2011 07:36 AM

                                                  Very few things are not tasty with peanut butter.

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                                                  montrealeater Dec 28, 2011 08:01 AM

                                                  As soon as I saw this thread I thought "I should mention that Dutch roommate from university who constantly ate chocolate sprinkle sandwiches (choc. sprinkles on white sliced bread) - I think choc, sprinkles are American?" But, they are Dutch, it turns out. He practically lived on those things and we were all fascinated. :)

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                                                    maxevan Jan 5, 2012 07:36 AM

                                                    My wife once got in trouble at elementary school when her mother (Dutch) sent her in with a Hagelslag sandwich. The teacher wouldnt let her eat it and made her buy the school lunch.

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                                                      sunshine842 Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM

                                                      I have a friend who was raised in France who sent her oldest off to school with a thick Nutella sandwich for lunch...the teacher puller her aside and indicated that she really shouldn't do that anymore.

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                                            Bkeats Dec 20, 2011 09:00 AM

                                            What do you mean by American ingredients? Do you mean foods that originated in the Americas? That would include corn, cocoa, chilis, pumpkins, tomatoes, potatoes, peanuts etc which have been taken up by many cultures and they’re pretty widely used. Or did you mean American created food products used elsewhere? That’s a harder thing to focus on because I can’t come up with a lot of American products that don’t have an analogue elsewhere (perhaps other than in the world of snack foods). Ok, Spam goes there, maybe modern ketchup, but Americans didn’t invent cream cheese or mayonnaise. Peanut butter isn’t a modern creation as I believe pre-colombian Americans were grinding peanuts. Much of the world does use ketchup. As noted, spam gets incorporated in a lot of dishes. But I’m drawing a blank on many other products. By the way, Nestle is a Swiss company and I believe chocolate products as well as cocoa powder were created in Europe. You should also check out the traditional southwest chili recipes. Pretty much always start with whole chilis and there are no tomatoes. I think this is an interesting challenge as most of American food is a mash-up of other cultures as discussed on many other threads so mixing up stuff is very common here, doesn’t seem to go as much the other way.

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                                              gingershelley Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM

                                              Potatoes are not US American; they are from S Central America :)

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                                                sueatmo Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM

                                                I understood that cream cheese was created by an American who was trying to imitate a European product. Perhaps I'm wrong. And yes, I was thinking of foods that Americans have invented or which are native and used throughout the country. Whether the 'mash-up' goes the other way or not is what is intriguing me. And for the story of chocolate chips as I understand it, see the link I left in this thread earlier.

                                                I am not as interested in potatoes or tomatoes because they have been made over totally in different countries, and we are probably aware of this: tomato sauce in Italy and boiled potatoes in Ireland, for instance.

                                                And I thought of one use of canned pork and beans that sounds just odd to me, but which isn't odd at all to our friends in UK. Pork and beans served on toast.

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                                                  kubasd23 Dec 21, 2011 04:35 PM

                                                  Sueatmo, you are correct on the cream cheese front. The chef or whoever was trying to mimic neufchâtel cheese and came up with philly cream cheese instead.

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                                                    sueatmo Dec 21, 2011 06:31 PM

                                                    I read that but couldn't remember the source. If I had time I'd go check Jean Anderson's American Century Cookbook. Lots of good food history in that cookbook.

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                                                  betsydiver Jan 3, 2012 06:21 AM

                                                  didn't peanuts originate in Africa? seema that i learned that in girl scouts or in about 5 th grade; we were all to bring in a dish from another country and i chose peanut soup which was from Africa....

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                                                    sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 06:24 AM

                                                    Sounds right. I am assuming Americans invented peanut butter, though, since it is ubiquitous here. If anyone knows different, please share.

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                                                      sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 07:08 AM

                                                      Often credited to George Washington Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W...) -- but there are records, according to the article, linking peanut butter to the Aztecs as early as the 15th century.

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                                                        johnb Jan 3, 2012 07:25 AM

                                                        The true "inventor" is lost in the sands of time. George Washington Carver is often given credit, but apparently the Aztecs beat him to it by several hundred years. Some say it was the Incas, but this seems unlikely since peanuts are a semi-tropical plant, not native to Inca territory. The first patent for a peanut butter producing process apparently was issued to a Canadian, Marcellus Edson, in 1884. John Kellog and Ambrose Straub, (the latter whose machine was patented in 1903), have also been mentioned as inventors.

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                                                        drongo Jan 5, 2012 05:03 PM

                                                        Peanuts are from the Americas. McGee (2nd ed., p 510) notes that peanuts were first domesticated in Brazil around 2000 BC. The Portuguese took peanuts to both Africa and Asia.

                                                        Incidentally, McGee indicates that what we now consider "peanut butter" was first developed around 1890 in the Missouri or Michigan.

                                                    2. jill kibler Dec 23, 2011 09:49 PM

                                                      I find Philadelphia Brand cream cheese available in many places around the world. Go figure.

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                                                        linguafood Dec 24, 2011 09:09 AM

                                                        It's one of the most popular cream cheese brands in Germany.

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                                                          sandylc Dec 26, 2011 07:08 PM

                                                          Check the ingredients on the Philly. Our store brands have better ingredients these days.

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                                                            sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 05:32 AM

                                                            Philly just made a very highly-publicized re-entry into the French market -- but there are plenty of French-made equivalents that taste as good or better.

                                                          2. Antilope Dec 24, 2011 03:40 PM

                                                            On the show Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmern, he was in the Philippines. They were serving scoops of ice cream on hamburger buns as a street food. That wasn't the really bizarre food. The bizarre food on the episode was Balut, a a fertilized duck egg, nearly at the hatched stage, boiled and eaten as a hard boiled egg.

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                                                              pdxgastro Dec 26, 2011 06:07 PM

                                                              I think you meant to post that reply to this post: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/824911

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                                                                Antilope Dec 26, 2011 07:42 PM

                                                                Not really, I was mainly bringing up using hamburger buns to serve scoops of ice cream.

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                                                                  pdxgastro Dec 27, 2011 04:32 PM

                                                                  Oh. They do that in Sicily too: http://www.msadventuresinitaly.com/bl...

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                                                                    Antilope Dec 28, 2011 12:31 AM

                                                                    It would probably taste better on a King's Hawaiian Roll.

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                                                                      sandylc Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM

                                                                      I kind of like the brioche idea; after all, it's just a bit of sugar short of cake!

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                                                                sueatmo Jan 2, 2012 03:46 PM

                                                                Ice cream on hamburger buns sounds strange to me, but my diet probably would sound strange to some one from the Philippines.

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                                                                  Antilope Jan 2, 2012 06:02 PM

                                                                  To me it wouldn't taste good, but for the hot humid climate it probably makes sense. The melting ice cream drips are probably absorbed somewhat by the bread.

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                                                                    sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 06:25 AM

                                                                    OK. And maybe their hamburger buns taste better than the average American hamburger bun, too.,

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                                                                      sandylc Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM

                                                                      VERY likely! When I followed one of the links, they showed gelato on a small brioche....

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                                                                tsl_saga Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM

                                                                In Malaysia, they have "Nasi Goreng USA" which literally means "USA (American) Fried Rice." It's a fried rice dish served with fried egg and fried hot dog franks.

                                                                Just like a lot of American just group some food as "Asian" without being specific to which country or origins; I've seen food categorized as "Western Food" when I was in Malaysia. It's just their interpretation of Western Food, be it American or European (French, Italian, British, etc). People everywhere are always fascinated of what other people are eating. Yummy...

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                                                                  sandylc Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM

                                                                  I have never heard the term "hot dog franks". It is indeed fascinating to hear about what otheres are eating, as well as what they call it!

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                                                                    tsl_saga Dec 29, 2011 01:01 PM

                                                                    I actually have no idea where I picked that up.

                                                                    But you should see how "Pizza" are interpreted too. In Malaysia, those that I know, cannot imagine eating plain cheese pizza. For them the more toppings the better. I don't even think their Pizza Hut & Domino even sell plain Pizza. Also, on top of delivery, Pizza Hut is also set-up as a sit down restaurant with real plates and silverwares. That's actually how a lot of Malaysian are exposed to Pizza. They even have pizza with Satay Sauce as the base.

                                                                    Also, other American Fast-Food chains actually have delivery services, not just Pizza Hut & Dominos. Even KFC & McDonald delivers. Too bad, their local businesses don't pick-up on that.

                                                                2. twyst Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM

                                                                  "And now I will tell you that I saw one episode of Nigella Lawson's that featured chili! I was so surprised. But what really raised my eyebrows, was how she seasoned it--she used dried red chilies. No chili powder. I have to admit I thought that strange. "

                                                                  Chili powder is just ground up dried chilis. Its actually pretty common to use dried chilis in chili, even in the US.

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                                                                    sandylc Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM

                                                                    True. The commonly used "chili powder" in the US is typically dried ground chilis with the addition of salt, garlic powder, cumin, oregano, etc. I share the school of thought for using pure dried chili powders (such as ancho) and adding my own salt and other seasonings.

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                                                                      sueatmo Jan 2, 2012 03:50 PM

                                                                      This is my point. Chili pepper would be simply ground up cayenne or some other pepper. Chili powder is a mix of chili and other spices. I use chili powder in chili, and I choose which sort to used, based on flavor. Chili powder should be much more than ground up chili pepper. So Nigella was not getting the full potential of flavor for her chili. But I had no idea anyone in the UK was eating chili of any sort! So I was surprised twice.

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                                                                        sandylc Jan 2, 2012 05:04 PM

                                                                        My point was that I DON'T use chili powder. I use pure ground chili and then ADD the other seasonings to my chili such as cumin, etc. I think this is the more common practice among competition chili makers, etc.

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                                                                          sueatmo Jan 2, 2012 05:09 PM

                                                                          OK. I misunderstood. You need that chili pepper (however you use it) to get that "bowl of red."

                                                                          I never competed in a chili cookoff. It would be fun to sample different chilis if I ever get the chance.

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                                                                            johnb Jan 2, 2012 05:18 PM

                                                                            Many chili competitions, at least in the old days, forbade the use of any commercially prepared chili powder. The contestants were/are supposed to base their recipe on their own mix of spices (which is sort of the whole point of a competition in the first place after all).

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                                                                            Harters Jan 3, 2012 04:58 AM

                                                                            "But I had no idea anyone in the UK was eating chili of any sort!"

                                                                            Chilli has been a common dish in the UK for 30+ years

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                                                                              sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 06:28 AM

                                                                              Interesting.This I would never have guessed.

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                                                                                sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 07:10 AM

                                                                                chili con carne shows up at French restaurants, too...Old El Paso has a corner on the "Mexican food" market in France, which, based on the amount of shelf space it commands, is a pretty lucrative market for them.

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                                                                              Billy33 Jan 5, 2012 03:25 PM

                                                                              "But I had no idea anyone in the UK was eating chili of any sort! " - Indian food is one of the most popular food styles in the UK and what do you think is used to give heat to Indian dishes?
                                                                              Also, I never thought of chilli powder as being a mixture of spices, to me it's just ground up dried chillies.

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                                                                                sandylc Jan 5, 2012 04:48 PM

                                                                                "Also, I never thought of chilli powder as being a mixture of spices, to me it's just ground up dried chillies."

                                                                                As it should be.

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                                                                                  drongo Jan 5, 2012 04:48 PM

                                                                                  Nope... "chili" (as the word is used in US) is not Indian food. And since the entire Capsicum genus is endemic to the Americas, perhaps the American usage should prevail over the Asian.

                                                                                  Spices and other flavorings used in "chili" (US) include (in decreasing order) paprika, cumin, cayenne, oregano and optionally garlic, onion, turmeric, cocoa, coriander, cinnamon, allspice.

                                                                                  A lot of people (myself included) distinguish between "chili" (the American dish made with spice mixture summarized above) and "chile" or "chilli" (the hot Capsicum pepper).

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                                                                                    sandylc Jan 5, 2012 05:30 PM

                                                                                    I have never heard of paprika in chili - ??? Other chiles, obviously, but never specifically paprika.

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                                                                                      sunshine842 Jan 5, 2012 11:44 PM

                                                                                      whose chili powder has paprika in it?

                                                                                      Looked up McCormick and Durkee -- they're both dried ground chiles, salt, garlic, onions, etc.,etc. -- no paprika.

                                                                                      I'm with Sandy - I've never made chili with paprika, nor have I ever knowingly eaten it.

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                                                                                        drongo Jan 6, 2012 05:29 AM

                                                                                        Here are 6 recipes with paprika:
                                                                                        http://southernfood.about.com/od/seasoningrecipes/r/bl30420j.htm
                                                                                        http://www.food.com/recipe/chili-powder-16892
                                                                                        http://www.food.com/recipe/chili-powder-207014
                                                                                        http://www.food.com/recipe/my-special-chili-powder-250581
                                                                                        http://www.food.com/recipe/no-salt-chili-powder-38558
                                                                                        http://oldfashionedliving.com/chilipo...

                                                                                        Paprika itself is made from Capsicum peppers so it's not inconsistent. But it would have been better for me to say that chili powder has a mix of mild pepper (could be paprika and/or Ancho, New Mexico, etc) and hot pepper (could be cayenne and/or de Arbol, etc).

                                                                                        1. re: drongo
                                                                                          Antilope Jan 6, 2012 08:01 AM

                                                                                          Smoke Ring Chili Powder with paprika

                                                                                          http://www.recipesecrets.net/forums/r...

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                                                                                            sueatmo Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM

                                                                                            OK, I stand corrected. Paprika is found in chili powder. You learn something new every day. This recipe sounds wonderful.

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                                                                                          sueatmo Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM

                                                                                          Penzey's Medium Hot Chili Powder: Ancho chili pepper, red pepper, cumin, garlic and Mexican oregano. I really like this chili powder. Penzey's has other blends too. The key is whether the product is called powder or pepper. Chile pepper is probably ground cayenne. Chili powder is usually a proprietary blend of spices and pepper.

                                                                                          I do wonder what brand has paprika in its powder. That's a new one to me.

                                                                                          Some chili powders are quite mild. Gephardt's is mild, if memory serves. Perhaps the milder ones have the paprika?

                                                                                          Another chili powder I like is Williams original, which comes in a packet. I used this for years. No salt--just spices. But it is more economical to buy a jar of the good stuff, I think.

                                                                                          1. re: drongo
                                                                                            drongo Jan 8, 2012 06:20 AM

                                                                                            I found this article useful. It describes different chile peppers (with pictures!) as well as paprika and chili powder (which appears here under "California Chili Powder" and "New Mexico Chili Powder -- the latter actually from Texas, go figure).
                                                                                            http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/chi...

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                                                                                            Harters Jan 6, 2012 08:16 AM

                                                                                            In the UK, ground up dried chillies will be called "dried chilli flakes"

                                                                                            The chilli powder I have at the minute is from the market leader, Schwartz. Contents are listed as cayenne, cumin, salt, oregano and garlic

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                                                                                              sueatmo Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM

                                                                                              I consider chili an all-American food. You can get a bowl everywhere in the U.S. I hadn't thought that this dish, delicious as it is to me, would be interesting to our friends in U.K. I thought I was admitting ignorance, not accusing a cuisine of anything. Apologies if that's the way my post sounded.

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                                                                                                sunshine842 Jan 6, 2012 01:36 PM

                                                                                                You can even buy frozen chili at the supermarket in France.

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                                                                                                  sueatmo Jan 6, 2012 03:02 PM

                                                                                                  How is it? What is French chili, I wonder? Is it superb? Is it made from duck?

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                                                                                                    sunshine842 Jan 6, 2012 03:25 PM

                                                                                                    It's made with ground beef. I've never tried it.

                                                                                                    It might be halfway decent, but I'd lay money that it's a long way from superb.

                                                                                                    There are some good frozen alternatives, but just like everywhere else, frozen, pre-prepared food tends to have just slightly less flavor and appeal than the box in which it was packaged.

                                                                                                    (there's a lot more duck available here than in the states, but there's a lot more beef and pork than duck, especially in mass-market stuff like frozen chili)

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                                                                                                      Harters Jan 7, 2012 04:22 AM

                                                                                                      If it's anything like frozen meals in the UK, I'd lay money that it's a long way from even halfway decent :-0

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                                                                                                        sunshine842 Jan 7, 2012 06:46 AM

                                                                                                        I was trying to be kind...and frozen food from Picard can actually approach tasty from time to time, but they're the lone bright star in that universe.

                                                                                        3. Antilope Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM

                                                                                          The BBC Food recipe website has its recipes broken down by cuisine. One is American:

                                                                                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/cuisines

                                                                                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/cuisines/am...

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                                                                                            sunshine842 Jan 3, 2012 10:44 AM

                                                                                            some of those recipes make me weep.

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                                                                                              sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM

                                                                                              Because--?

                                                                                            2. re: Antilope
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                                                                                              sueatmo Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM

                                                                                              Well, this is interesting. So people do consider that Americans have a cuisine. It is fun to see what dishes are of interest to our friends in the U.K. Very few sides, I note. I don't object at all to the potato salad recipe.

                                                                                              1. re: sueatmo
                                                                                                Antilope Jan 3, 2012 01:39 PM

                                                                                                The BBC Food site only placed about 40 "American" recipes in categories. At the bottom of the categories is link that opens 164 "American" recipes. "See all American recipes recipes (164)"

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                                                                                                  sueatmo Jan 4, 2012 07:37 AM

                                                                                                  OK, I will. I didn't have to time to really investigate that site. It is interesting.

                                                                                                  I did note some sort of meat cooked in cola. I've run into this sort of recipe in community recipe books. I am surprised that BBC cooks consider it serious enough to publish on their site.

                                                                                                  As I said, interesting.

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                                                                                                    sueatmo Jan 4, 2012 07:31 PM

                                                                                                    Lots of pancake recipes. Interesting. A couple or three cornbreads. Of course Americans can't agree on proper cornbread. At least 2 pecan pies. Can you get pecans in Britain? I wonder if they are grown on other continents? Pecans are my favorite nut. I noticed that guacamole is also listed. Its an interesting selection of recipes. I noticed that chocolate chip cookies are mades with crumbled chocolate, not chocolate chips.

                                                                                                    1. re: sueatmo
                                                                                                      sunshine842 Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM

                                                                                                      Sue, with air and sea transport being amazingly efficient, it is possible for people all over the world to obtain food from just about anywhere else in the world.

                                                                                                      Add to that the fact that a lot of people travel (some extensively) and bring back ingredients and recipes, plus the media - internet, television, and just plain people talking to one another, and things travel pretty fast.

                                                                                                      In much of Europe, particularly London, Paris, and other major cities with large international populations, we can buy darned near anything you can buy in your local supermarket, or an acceptable substitute for it.

                                                                                                      London and Paris both have Tex-Mex, barbecue, and plenty of burger joints...the world's a pretty small place these days.

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                                                                                                        Harters Jan 6, 2012 08:18 AM

                                                                                                        Yes, pecans are easily available in UK supermarkets.

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                                                                                                          sueatmo Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM

                                                                                                          Well, then a pecan pie made with golden syrup would be really, really good.

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                                                                                                            sunshine842 Jan 6, 2012 01:35 PM

                                                                                                            Treacle and cane syrup.

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                                                                                                              sandylc Jan 6, 2012 02:27 PM

                                                                                                              You know, I haven't put corn syrup in pecan pie in many years. It contributes nothing but sweet to the pie - no flavor at all beyond that. Golden syrup, maple syrup, anything else is better than the traditional corn syrup.

                                                                                                              1. re: sandylc
                                                                                                                sunshine842 Jan 6, 2012 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                try a real Southern cane syrup -- you get a gorgeous molasses-y flavor with a clean mouthfeel....then replace your vanilla with a spoonful of dark rum...makes the best pumpkin pie **evar**.

                                                                                                                If I can't get cane syrup, a mix of mostly golden syrup, with a good spoonful of treacle or molasses, makes a good pie, too.

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                                                                                                                Harters Jan 6, 2012 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                Indeed, it would - taking our traditional treacle tart a stage further (even though it's called treacle tart, it's made with goldern syrup)

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                                                                                                        DCLindsey Jan 4, 2012 01:47 PM

                                                                                                        The BBC one is pretty funny. There are a number of mentions for cupcakes (based on the number of cupcake shops popping up every where these days, I guess I agree) and cheesecake. More perplexing are the "biscuit" recipies (it actually looks like they make more cupcakes) and banoffee pie! Never even heard of banoffee pie until I lived in London in college.

                                                                                                        ETA: ...and there is carpetbagger steak. Not sure that would go over here in the US!

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                                                                                                          Harters Jan 4, 2012 03:07 PM

                                                                                                          Banoffee pie is an English invention, dating to 1972 and accredited to the Hungry Monk restaurant in East Sussex. It is, IMO, one of those dishes that gets our cuisine a bad name.

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                                                                                                            sunshine842 Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM

                                                                                                            It's not gourmet, but it's so very good.

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                                                                                                        bearmi Jan 6, 2012 08:26 PM

                                                                                                        When I was growing up in Taiwan, I ate hamburgers made with pork. Five spice powder, soy sauce and sugar were added to the meat mixture and instead of sliced pickles, sliced cucumber were used. Kind of a strange combination now that I am more used to American style hamburgers.

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