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Dec 17, 2011 09:45 AM

Have you bought a new dishwasher in the last 2 years?

I've had a look at older dishwasher threads. A lot of Hounds like Miehle or Bosch. I assume those brands cost more, than an American brand, right? I

My KA has to be replaced in January. It is a plain dishwasher installed under a formica counter. It has done well, but the dispenser is broken and cannot be fixed. I have just started doing research. I noticed in a thread with information from about 2-4 years ago that people were pleased with their KAs bought several years ago. Has anyone bought a KA in the last 2 years? If so how has it performed?

How about any dishwasher that has performed well for the last 2 years? Any info you can throw my way is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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  1. Sorry that you have to go through this at this time of year. One thing I would really look for are machines that are performing well with the new phosphate free detergents. Unfortunately it may limit how far back you can go with recommendations due to the change. I haven't looked but you may want to see if any manufacturers have improved their washers to work better with phosphate free detergents. I imagine they have received plenty of calls from frustrated users whose dishwashers worked great before the change.

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    1. re: SanityRemoved

      Altho we have a Bosch because my wife likes it, I don't because our stoneware soup bowls and some dishes do not stay upright in the tray slots. They fold over on top of each other due to the construction of the dish trays. We had a KitchenAid before our current one. Don't ask...I do not have a vote when it comes to kitchen appliances.

      But my question is what is the name of at least one American manufacturer makes a dishwashers? I have not looked for a new dishwasher in 7 years.

    2. About two to three years ago I looked at everything, including the exotics. We chose a KichenAid KUDK03IT, and are satisfied with it.

      1. I can't express strongly enough what a POS our expensive KA dishwasher is. My SIL asked a friend in the business what to buy and got an ASKO that she loves. The KA does a much worse job of cleaning than the cheapie white Maytag it replaced, particularly when fully loaded.

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        1. re: mcf

          I purchased a Bosch a little over a year ago. Love it! It's quiet and does an excellent job cleaning. Even dried on crusties from the morning, such as egg yolk, get thoughly cleaned off that night. Even fully or maybe even overly loaded up.

          1. re: Rheta

            I wish now that I'd bought the much cheaper Bosch instead of the KA crapola I have now.

          2. re: mcf

            We are a 4 person family that bought an ASKO XXL series for $899. i think we paid $100 for the stainless steel, and the white would have been $800. It came with a 5 year warranty which was standard! All the important features for us: easy to use, super quiet, metal tub and super efficient. It looks like an ipod:) The manual instructs you not to rinse before loading, I scrape food off into the compost only. Love love love!

          3. Miele starts at ~$1200,KitchenAid ~$600, and Bosch ~$500.

            Scratch-n-dent and discontinued models can be found for significantly less.

            On appliance forum people have been moving away from KA the last year or so because of a new vent design that,according to the experts,blows steam into your cabinets.

            The more expensive KAs,Bosch,and Miele do not have food grinders but filters.

            Grinder free DWers need enzyme based dishwasher detergent. Most modern dishwasher detergents are enyzme based but not all. Filters need cleaned from time time. 3months to a year depending on how much food debris get into the DW.

            Bosch and Miele require rinse aid if you want bone dry dishes immediately after the cycle ends becuase they don't have heated dry.

            Top end KA have heated and European drying methods.

            Except for the most expensive two models,Bosch dishwashers are made in New Bern,North Carolina. Asko dishwashers,which someone else mentioned,are made in Sweeden. Finding parts and service for Asko DWers can be difficult in certain areas of the USA.

            I would go with either Bosch or Miele depending on your budget.

            If you are a conspiracy theorist,and think the single world wide government is out to control your mind by putting special secret chemicals in rinse aid then probably go with KA.

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            1. re: DeeAgeaux

              In November 2010 I replaced by Bosch cooktop and my Bosch dishwasher. I went with the Miele La Perla dishwasher and it is a dream machine compared to my Bosch (12 yers old - I could finally justify getting rid of my poorly designed appliances). I like that the Miele has a third top rack for your silverware and no baskets. No more nesting spoons, forks and knives. When the cycle is finished, it automatically has an arm that pushes the door open about three inches to let steam out and you can hear a fan running inside. I also like the fact that it has the control screen on the front of the door and not on the top of the door lid. I believe Miele is a price controlled brand so I don't think you will find a bargain. I think it was in the $2200 range and I have my matching cabinet panels on the front door. I believe the stainless steel door was $200 extra.

              1. re: Vera

                Just completed a very long awaited kitchen makeover including a new Miele La Perla model dishwasher....replaced a KA unit that was perhaps 8 years old but sounded like a jet engine. Miele was chosen for it's near silent operation and cleaning ability. Phenomenal performance that has everything sparkling including a bunch of cheap stemware that previously had developed a fog like coating from the KA that we could only remove by soaking the glasses in a solution of TSP. Yes the storage racks with the third shelf for silverware is cool and the fact that the unit does look really nice with the built in cabinet panel is also sweet but the fact is our Miele cleans like a champ and we can run a load during a dinner party in our open kitchen with barely a whisper level of sound.....the old KA forced us to hold off until the guests had left before firing it up. Yes the Miele requires salt, rinse aid and their own brand of detergent tablets but they perform well together and are worth the cost.

              2. re: DeeAgeaux

                I need rinse aid in my KA or my stuff is spotty and glass is dull. Also, it doesn't dry anything, even though it has a "heated drying button." The other thing that I hate about it and almost every other high end dw I looked at is the long, sideways silverware basket... can't place silverware throughout the basket without pulling out the bottom rack, so everyone in my house dumps every bit of it into the front few inches.

                1. re: mcf

                  That's interesting. I like the long front-to-back basket. And I never want heated drying, so don't care how well it works.

                  1. re: GH1618

                    What do you like about it, compared to a front basket which hold the same stuff and doesn't require you to pull out the whole rack every time you want to drop something in?

                    1. re: mcf

                      It just seems to me that it's a more efficient use of space compared to my previous dishwasher, about which I thought the basket was in the way. I don't mind pulling out the rack. Often I remove the basket entirely to load it. It's a pretty small effot, and I just can't see the work involved in loading a dishwasher to be an important problem.

                      Having several untrainable people in the household can be a problem, I admit. I have only one, and I prefer to load the dishwasher myself. What I don't like is having to rearrange the load when someone else does it haphazardly. That problem goes well beyond the design of the basket.

                      And the old basket was not a long thin one along the front edge, but a square one in the middle of the front.

                      Addendum: I should add that with basket on the right side, and the dishwasher at the right end of the kitchen, the basket is out of the way as I load it from the left side. If it were the other way around, it would be a small nuisance.

                      1. re: GH1618

                        I have to reload all the silver every time I run it. And with only two or three of us in the house most of the time, it's not a matter of loading and running it once, it's a two to three day accumulation of inconvenience. I often take out the basket to unload it, but not to put things in, when I have to redistribute all the nested silver in the front corner every time I open it!

                2. re: DeeAgeaux

                  Thanks for this info, DA. I wondered if the design on the KA (which used to be good) had changed. Apparently it has, for the worst.

                  I don'f feat a single world wide government, but I am disgusted the Whirlpool seems to make every American dishwasher except for GE.

                  1. re: sueatmo

                    All KA products (from my once beloved drip coffee pot to my DW) seem to have taken a big dive in the past few years, quality wise.

                    1. re: mcf

                      I don't think much of KA's small electrics, to be sure. But aren't the large appliances being made by Whirlpool? It just seems like almost a monopoly regarding American branded large appliances. Not much competition to improve between the brands.

                      1. re: sueatmo

                        That's true. KA was acquired by Whirlpool in 1986. Even Maytag is part of Whirlpool now.

                        1. re: GH1618

                          So, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Maytag and Kitchen Aid are all made by Whirlpool? Any others?

                          Hotpoint is made by GE. (If Hotpoint is still around.)

                          Who makes Frigidaire, Viking and Wolf?

                          1. re: sueatmo

                            Obviously Whirlpool Gold and Jenn-Air is also part of the Whirlpool empire.

                            Whirlpool's Italian subsidiary makes most Ikea appliances.

                            Frigidaire is owned by Sweeden's Electrolux.

                            Wolf is part of Wolf-Sub-Zero.

                            Viking is independent. For now,but they have some murky undefined to the public relationship with South Korea's LG.

                            1. re: DeeAgeaux

                              Thanks! I'd forgotten about Jenn-Air. Instead of Microsoft or Apple, it appears that Whirlpool is trying to take over the world.

                              1. re: sueatmo

                                There is nothing unusual about what Whirlpool has done. This has happened in every large i dustry. In fact, Maytag embarked on a program of acquisition and diversification in an attempt to increase the value of their company. It didn't work out, which is what made them vulnerable to a Whirlpool takeover.

                                1. re: GH1618

                                  I'm not saying it is unusual. I'm saying I don't like it, and it would seem to me to dampen competition between the brands. I imagine they just carve up the market and slot models into specific demographic slots.

                                  1. re: sueatmo

                                    Sure they do. The same as General Motors. I don't like it either, but there's nothing that can be done about it in a free society. As individuals, we can only seek out quality products and support the manufacturers by buying them. Too often, there are not enough like-minded consumers to sustain a good product, because large companies have an economy of scale, and most people want to spend less when they can.

                        2. re: sueatmo

                          I think it's a Big Problem. My original KA drip pot got high reviews on and I loved it, but it was recalled and the new pots got dreadful reviews, from leakage to breakage to bad coffee. Complete redesign.

                  2. Last spring I replaced my ten year-old GE with the same model, with one change; the old one still worked perfectly but the inside was falling apart so I upgraded to a stainless steel interior. I guess they have made changes in the engineering as the new dishwasher is much quieter---at first I didn't think it was working. Nothing exotic, nothing fancy, and no complaints.

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                    1. re: Querencia

                      How quiet is your GE? Does it have grinders? Your dishes come out clean using the new dishwashing detergent formula?

                      1. re: Querencia

                        I'm glad the OP has made her choice. Still, I thought I'd add a few words about my mom's new GE model #GDWF160RSS for future readers since there's little General Electric info in this discussion. It was installed in August.

                        Six years ago, I bought a Kitchenaid "S" for myself, and luckily it's going strong.

                        But in choosing for my mother, we couldn't know how long she'd be staying in her home and she's not a frequent user. With the lemon rate of new dishwashers these days, we didn't want to tie up that much money in something that might only last a couple years. A friend had replaced a top of the line Kenmore that died after 3 years with the enamel interior version of the GE we chose. It had been recommended to her by an appliance installation guy and I had a chance to use it at her house a couple times.

                        For Mom we considered an entry level Bosch and the GE. Since Mom uses a lot of plastic containers, the GE was the better choice because of the top rack design and heated drying. The interior of the GE is larger. And at $425, it's one of the lowest priced dishwashers we could find with stainless steel front and interior.

                        It is not quite as quiet as my KA, but the barely noticeable sounds are of the water circulating and are not unpleasant. And it's much quieter than the machine it replaced. Mom has hard water so we use rinseaid and always make sure that the water out of the tap is running hot before we start it. So far it's cleaning very well and we have no complaints. It's good value for this price point and if it lasts five or more years, we'll have gotten our money's worth.

                        1. re: Melanie Wong

                          Thanks for sharing. I hope your mom's GE performs well. It sounds like you got a good unit at a good price.

                          1. re: sueatmo

                            You're welcome and may the dishwasher gods be good to you.