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Top Chef - Texas - Last Chance Kitchen (spoilers)

John E. Dec 14, 2011 12:21 PM

I have a theory about the Last Chance Kitchen. While any chef can be told to PPYKAG due to one bad dish or even a bad element to a dish, I think that we will not see a singe chef be the reigning LCK champion for too long. I think that the longer a chef lasts in the main competition likely means that chef is either more talented than those who lost before them or at least they know how to play the game better. What will probably happen now is that I will be proven wrong.

  1. iL Divo Feb 12, 2012 07:50 AM

    can't bear to read through all 563 posts.
    is anyone else not happy that the last chance person who won over all is back on?
    I'm am NOT a fan of 'that' person. with the episode that someone said 'that' person had no social skills, seemed true through this season. I guess if they can cook their sox off though....?

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      John E. Feb 12, 2012 08:06 AM

      I would have liked to have it been Grayson that went back into the competition, but mostly because I like her, not necessarily about her food, but that doesn't make much sense, does it. I would like to know exactly how they did the LCK. The LCK competition is much different that the regular competition. The Elves can do whatever they wish to, but my preference to keep it all on the television program. They probably were successful in driving up their hits on their website however and that was the entire point of LCK anyway.

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        mcf Feb 12, 2012 09:14 AM

        It is a cooking, not a sociability, competition after all. I am much more upset that it's not Nyesha than anything. Now that it's Bev, I hope she cleans both the other women's clocks. I don't think there's any question that she cooked her way there.

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          goodhealthgourmet Feb 12, 2012 10:28 AM

          yes, yes, yes, and yes.

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            Leepa Feb 12, 2012 04:08 PM

            Hear hear.

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              KailuaGirl Feb 12, 2012 07:09 PM

              Absolutely!

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            BDMTHRFKR Feb 2, 2012 03:13 PM

            I'm hoping since LCK is now over I'll never have to hear that Prius commercial song again.

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              LindaWhit Feb 2, 2012 04:46 PM

              + a gazillion!

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                The Dairy Queen Feb 3, 2012 11:33 AM

                If you miss the Prius commercial, you can always watch extended JT (which I just did because Hugh in his blog that it was worth watching. If you've read Gail's blog, you don't need to watch EJT in my opinion).

                ~TDQ

              2. Firegoat Feb 2, 2012 04:35 AM

                Oh Grayson. Such an unflattering photo on the LCK bravo page. You're much cuter in the show.

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                  Pookipichu Feb 2, 2012 07:23 AM

                  I was hoping it wouldn't be Grayson in the LCK.

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                    terrierboy Feb 2, 2012 12:40 PM

                    This finale is going to suck. Paul bores me; Sarah and Lindsey have become too shrewish to bear. The thought of having Bev back is more than I can stand. I find it impossible to root for any of them. Maybe I'd want to watch if they baked parts of Andy Cohen in a pie, a la Sweeney Todd.

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                      Pookipichu Feb 2, 2012 01:47 PM

                      That doesn't sound tasty. Andy looks gamey with a definite mineral funk.

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                        FoodPopulist Feb 2, 2012 02:40 PM

                        I find chefs being forced to work with less than premium ingredients much more interesting than watching them work with the best, freshest, and most luxurious foods.

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                        gaffk Feb 2, 2012 01:49 PM

                        Andy Cohen pie. Now that I'd watch! We already know these chefs do gore well.

                  2. LindaWhit Feb 1, 2012 08:17 PM

                    And I'm not sure what's going on with the Bravo site, but LCK isn't working tonight! So I guess I'll find out tomorrow morning when I read this thread.

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                      debbiel Feb 1, 2012 08:20 PM

                      I have it on right now! I couldn't get to it by going to bravotv.com. I had to go directly to the top chef bravo site.

                      http://www.bravotv.com/top-chef/seaso...

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                        LindaWhit Feb 1, 2012 08:23 PM

                        I was trying that link as well - wouldn't work. Grrr....

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                        ellenost Feb 1, 2012 08:20 PM

                        The site did have trouble loading, but it finally worked.

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                          Worldwide Diner Feb 1, 2012 08:22 PM

                          It's a cliffhanger. They don't show who won. We won't know until the next episode of TC.

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                            LindaWhit Feb 1, 2012 08:23 PM

                            Ahh, that's what I figured as well. The end of the regular TC ep seemed to indicate that's what would happen.

                            AND I just got a chance to watch it. And I *think* I know who wins LCK based on one of the four remaining chefs' faces when the LCK winner walks back into the TC kitchen. :-)

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                              John E. Feb 1, 2012 09:20 PM

                              Or, the Elves put that facial expression in there to mess with the viewers and to throw you off. At the end of LCK, Ed and the others are speculating who might be coming back. Why do they even know someone is coming back? Why are they sitting somewhere knowing about LCK before the chef walks into the room? Until I know how it was done, I'm going to have to assume the Elves screwed up.

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                                acgold7 Feb 2, 2012 12:29 AM

                                Why do they even know someone is coming back?
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                                They were told at the end of the regular episode about LCK, no?

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                                  LindaWhit Feb 2, 2012 05:47 AM

                                  John, go back and watch the very end of the regular TC episode (or read my recap). Remember Padma brought them back into JT from the Stew Room after Grayson left? Tom told them then that they're final 4....BUT unbeknownst to them, a separate competition has been going on, and someone will be brought back.

                                  So when they're in the TC kitchen the next morning, they're standing there with 4 cloches in front of them, knowing that *someone* who has been voted off the island will be returning.

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                                    ChefJune Feb 2, 2012 07:17 AM

                                    <So when they're in the TC kitchen the next morning, they're standing there with 4 cloches in front of them, knowing that *someone* who has been voted off the island will be returning.>

                                    ...and in order for poetic justice to be done, it just HAS to be Beverly who's coming back, even though in my heart I'd rather it be Grayson... Those 2 b!tches were so nasty to Bev she just HAS to get to beat at least one of them!

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                                      bobbert Feb 2, 2012 08:58 AM

                                      +++1

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                                        LindaWhit Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM

                                        Yup. Which is why I think it's her, based on Sarah's grimace, which I noted a few posts up. :-)

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                                          mcf Feb 2, 2012 10:37 AM

                                          I hope she beats both Sarah and Lindsay. And I don't even like Beverly.

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                                            LindaWhit Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM

                                            Agree on hoping that both Sarah and Lindsay are gone first. It might make for a very interesting finale with Paul, Edward and Beverly. :-)

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                                        John E. Feb 2, 2012 08:41 AM

                                        You know what? Now I remember getting called out of the room just after Grayson got the PPYKAG and I didn't worry about it because all they usually show is the booted chef saying they left too early or they were proud to have made it this far, etc. OK, I get it now, but I still think they should have been told about LCK only AFTER the LCK winner showed up ready to compete for the grand prize.

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                                          FoodPopulist Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM

                                          No, it's more fun to tell them about LCK them put them in the Stew Room and make them speculate about who will make it. Hopefully, you get some footage of the returning chef being disrespected. Ed seems like the kind of guy who would ask the ladies point-blank how they would feel if Beverly came back. I would be kinda disappointed if he had the opportunity and didn't.

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                                      jcattles Feb 2, 2012 07:33 AM

                                      I'm curious to see what Paul's deal is. Why did they show him crying and saying he couldn't do it? The elves probably put that in there just to screw with us but I'm still wondering.

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                                      debbiel Feb 1, 2012 08:23 PM

                                      D'oh! I had a feeling that might happen.

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                                        kristina_kim Feb 1, 2012 08:29 PM

                                        That's actually a pretty clever cliffhanger.

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                                          arjunsr Feb 1, 2012 09:17 PM

                                          i guess so, but it had me screaming noooooooooooo :P

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                                          chicgail Feb 2, 2012 02:10 PM

                                          That was just so wrong.

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                                          huiray Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM

                                          I couldn't get it to load, too, but noticed (on stopping the load and hitting page reload) that the page was hanging repeatedly on the load/transfer of data from a site called secure-us.imrworldwide.com . On checking, this site seems to be one of the nasty spyware sites (http://www.donottrackplus.com/tracker...)... I disabled acceptance of third-part cookies in the browser I was using at that moment (FF 9.0.1) and the LCK video loaded smoothly. Maybe a coincidence, but still - just sayin'.

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                                          DGresh Jan 26, 2012 02:08 PM

                                          I didn't try to find the part of this long thread where it was discussed, but I was thinking about the speculation that all of the LCK competitions took place together, at the end, since otherwise we've got the scenario of Tom traveling back and forth every day, which of course doesn't make sense. But I was trying to figure out how then it would really work; the losing chef goes home to the empty house, gets his letter which says "meet me in the kitchen". Then he goes to the "loser house" and hangs out with the other loser chefs for a week or more while the competition ends, and all of them wonder what the heck the letter meant? Then one by one they take the losers out of the loser house starting with the earliest gone and they start doing their cookoffs? So that whole thing of them looking surprised to see a previous loser standing in front of them is just BS? Can anyone figure out how this could actually work?

                                          I did notice that Moto Chris said that he hadn't seen his buddy in ... weeks, like he had to remember that that's what it was supposed to seem like to us. "top chef weeks" I guess :)

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                                            John E. Jan 26, 2012 03:23 PM

                                            I think it would be interesting to find out exactly how they did it buy you may be on the right track. However, I think it just as likely that the finding the letter thing was also staged just before they actually did the LCK cooking. I find it amusing that a chef would hang around the kitchen of their 'house' waiting for Tom to show up. Or was that created by the producers? (Probably so).

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                                              gaffk Jan 26, 2012 03:33 PM

                                              Yeah, I guess I was the one who first speculated on that. I think John E. is on the right track, saying that finding the letter was probably staged afterwards. Otherwise, the chefs would probably be hanging around the "loser" house staging competitions to keep sharp.

                                              On a different note. Since the first LCK was the last chef eliminated from the bubble, did all of the chefs who showed up but didn't make the show also have to hang around? Interesting.

                                              Maybe they'll explain it on the reunion show.

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                                                momjamin Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM

                                                If I could stand to watch Andy Cohen's show, we could all tweet these logistics questions to him and see if we can get an explanation.

                                            2. Firegoat Jan 26, 2012 08:25 AM

                                              Gah... I'm so sick of this woman. Really wanted Chris to pull it off.

                                              1. LindaWhit Jan 25, 2012 08:56 PM

                                                So Beverly wins over Chris J. All I can say is that if she wins again next week and walks back into the Top Chef Kitchen? Sarah and Lindsay (if still there) are going to have a conniption.

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                                                  davis_sq_pro Jan 25, 2012 09:05 PM

                                                  I predict that Grayson will be eliminated next. Of course I've thought that for weeks. But you saw it here first! :-)

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                                                    Miss Needle Jan 25, 2012 09:15 PM

                                                    I have a feeling that Beverly will beat the next loser and reenter the competition. I recall reading an interview with Gail Simmons where she alluded to it.

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                                                      John E. Jan 25, 2012 09:32 PM

                                                      Beverly said in LCK tonight that she wanted to be in the final four. For her to do that she will have to win LCK AND beat out a chef on her return EC.

                                                      Did they borrow the boxes from Chopped? I hate it when they make them cook disparate ingredients.

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                                                        cowboyardee Jan 25, 2012 09:36 PM

                                                        "Did they borrow the boxes from Chopped?"
                                                        ________
                                                        I've heard that's actually an old culinary school standby. I don't think Chopped invented it.

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                                                        debbiel Jan 25, 2012 09:39 PM

                                                        I wonder if they're eliminating two people next week, brining it down to 3 people. Add in the LCK winner for your standard 4 chefs in the finale. Maybe? So, how funny would it be for Sarah and Lindsey to go in a double elimination and then both lose to Bev in LCK?

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                                                          mariacarmen Jan 26, 2012 12:29 AM

                                                          it would be AWESOME, debbiel, that's how it would be!

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                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 26, 2012 07:10 AM

                                                            Having Sarah and Lindsay lose simultaneously to Bev would be a dream come true!

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                                                              bobbert Jan 26, 2012 07:35 AM

                                                              And if only Beverly could do it with a halibut and risotto dish....

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                                                                LurkerDan Jan 26, 2012 09:06 AM

                                                                done "asian" style. ;-)

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                                                                  mariacarmen Jan 26, 2012 09:56 AM

                                                                  awesome.

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                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 26, 2012 01:08 PM

                                                                    Effin' BRILLIANT! I'd root for Beverly to win the LCK contest then. :-)

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                                                                      mcf Jan 26, 2012 03:47 PM

                                                                      Me, too, just to send off the Mean Girls with maximum humiliation.

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                                                              huiray Jan 26, 2012 08:25 AM

                                                              It was noteworthy that Tom Colicchio said that they both cooked good dishes, IIRC. Chris Jones did well, without MG tricks, with disparate elements - even with his readily-confessed (and shown - as edited) brief brain freezes about what to do with some of the stuff.

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                                                              jcattles Jan 20, 2012 11:13 AM

                                                              Next season instead of LCK they should allow the fans to vote on who gets to come back at the end. Wouldn't it be fun if we had a say?

                                                              Could you imagine the conversations we would have here defending our choices? The mods would definitely have some job stability :)

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                                                                soupkitten Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM

                                                                i disagree. i think it would be terrible if malibu chris got into the top chef finals over folks with more talent, just because the majority of the show's fan base find him to be good looking. i would definitely have to stop watching!

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                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM

                                                                  Do you feel no shame? It's a terrible thing to be prejudiced against good hair.

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                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 11:30 AM

                                                                    Gotta agree with you. The fact he's still in first place for "fan favorite" is mind-boggling.

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                                                                      Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 11:34 AM

                                                                      Mind-boggling? Or tress-ceptional, I think it's obvious why he's still fan favorite.

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                                                                        debbiel Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM

                                                                        He's still in first place? NO! I found him creepy. And I am not even that impressed with his hair.

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                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 01:05 PM

                                                                          Exactly debbie1. Was never impressed with him OR his hair. And yes, he's still in first place. I'd rather Fan Fave go to someone who at least cooks well and is funny. Malibu is neither.

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                                                                            Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 01:14 PM

                                                                            Not to belabor the obvious but no one on Top Chef has better hair than Malibu. Not even Hugh Acheson's fuzzy friends are so lustrous. Padma's just looks greasy and we all can see that Tom... is follicularly challenged.

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                                                                              debbiel Jan 20, 2012 01:25 PM

                                                                              I thought his hair was being lauded not for its wonderfulness relative to other contestants but in general. I don't recall who has the best hair talks in other seasons. :)

                                                                              And even in comparison to other contestants...I still don't see his hair as anything special. It's not bad hair, but it's not hair I have a yearning to put my fingers in.

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                                                                                Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 01:43 PM

                                                                                Debbiel don't make me use my "Beverly get the olives" voice.

                                                                                Deeeebbie, Deebbieee, Deebieeeee, do you see how thick and nice Malibu's hair is? Just nod in defeat.

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                                                                                  debbiel Jan 20, 2012 02:02 PM

                                                                                  Please Pookipichu, don't make me go get my whiskey bottle and cower in a corner. :)

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                                                                                Shrinkrap Jan 20, 2012 03:37 PM

                                                                                I liked Carla's hair. LOT'S of different looks.

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                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 08:00 PM

                                                                                  Well, you are belaboring it. YOU like Malibu, but it seems only for his hair. Which has NOTHING to do with being a chef. Many others don't like him for a lot more than his hair. Besides, this isn't Top Hair, it's Top Chef.

                                                                                  Oh - and I'd take Tom's bald head AND his cooking chops over Malibu. Any day and every day. And twice on Sunday.

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                                                                                    Pookipichu Jan 23, 2012 07:13 AM

                                                                                    Tom is all yours. Heather and I will be in the stew room with Malibu.... He can sketch us like like Jack did Rose.

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                                                                                    terrierboy Feb 2, 2012 12:32 PM

                                                                                    Padma probably uses coconut oil on her hair; many Indian people do. It's supposed to be an amazing conditioner. Malibu Chris looked a little too "surfer dude" for my tastes. This season hasn't been the best for hair.

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                                                                                    debbiel Jan 20, 2012 01:26 PM

                                                                                    Linda, oh crap. Am I going to have to start voting for fan fave now?

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                                                                                      momjamin Jan 20, 2012 05:03 PM

                                                                                      Linda, I tried to help you out, but couldn't find Ripert OR Bourdain on the Fan Fave ballot...

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                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 08:00 PM

                                                                                        I know. Sadz. :-(

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                                                                                      silvergirl Feb 2, 2012 05:24 PM

                                                                                      Me either. Jeff had better hair.

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                                                                                        jeanmarieok Feb 7, 2012 10:20 AM

                                                                                        Jeff, yummmmm.

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                                                                                          Pookipichu Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM

                                                                                          Which Jeff? Not the Jeff that looks like Ellen Degeneres? No thanks :)

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                                                                                            huiray Feb 7, 2012 01:13 PM

                                                                                            Ah yes, that "pretty boy". I think he would have looked much better with a buzz cut and a beard.

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                                                                                              DGresh Feb 7, 2012 02:30 PM

                                                                                              Who's Jeff? Have I completely forgotten someone who was on the show?

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                                                                                                Pookipichu Feb 7, 2012 02:44 PM

                                                                                                Jeff was this blond contestant that looked like the love child of Ellen Degeneres and Carson Kressley, none of whom tickle my flower.

                                                                                                http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/5/c/5ciyi9opemb29ipc.jpg

                                                                                                http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.402987!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

                                                                                                http://cnneatocracy.files.wordpress.c...

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                                                                                                  chowser Feb 7, 2012 02:57 PM

                                                                                                  I completely forgot about him, too. That picture doesn't look like him to me. Jeff is the one they kept catching topless, right? In Fabio's season? That first picture looks like Carson from Queer Eyes.

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                                                                                                    LurkerDan Feb 7, 2012 03:12 PM

                                                                                                    That first picture is Carson.

                                                                                                    This is a picture of Jeff from his season: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptid...

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                                                                                                      chowser Feb 7, 2012 05:08 PM

                                                                                                      That one you posted looks like Jeff, as I remembered. I didn't think any of the ones in Pookipichu's looked like him, even the last one which was him. But, then I looked at his restaurant site and some of his pictures there looked more like Carson, too.

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                                                                                                        Pookipichu Feb 7, 2012 05:20 PM

                                                                                                        Umm that was sort of my point. He's not cute.

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                                                                                        TuteTibiImperes Jan 20, 2012 07:51 PM

                                                                                        He's in first place for fan favorite? Really? He seems so bland, I don't get it. I guess he comes across nice enough, but there's nothing exceptional or particularly noteworthy about him, and I didn't really pick up any real personality from him on the show.

                                                                                        I'd be torn between Bev, Ed, and Grayson for my fan favorite vote.

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                                                                                          LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 08:02 PM

                                                                                          That's exactly my point. Being voted as FF for his hair? REALLY? Personality is rather dullsville.

                                                                                          And I still chose Paul as a FF, but mostly because he can COOK.

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                                                                                            debbiel Jan 20, 2012 08:07 PM

                                                                                            Dullsville sometimes. Creepy others. Not a fave.

                                                                                            Paul would be my first choice. Then Grayson.

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                                                                                              mcf Jan 21, 2012 07:55 AM

                                                                                              I'd put those two in reverse order.

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                                                                                                debbiel Jan 21, 2012 09:56 AM

                                                                                                I could live with that mcf. Grayson gets points for the sex in the mouth comment, going all out with the black chicken, suggesting that the halibut issue might have been Lindsey's chosen method of cooking, and generally being likable as well as apparently a decent chef. Paul gets the edge with me because I think perhaps he is a better chef.

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                                                                                                  John E. Jan 21, 2012 10:09 AM

                                                                                                  I bet if Chuy lasted longer he might be leading the fan favorite vote right now.

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                                                                                                    mcf Jan 21, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                                    Ya think? I found him so annoying I was glad he went early... the "my father" thing was a tad weird.

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                                                                                                      John E. Jan 21, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                                                      I only saw the father thing on the one episode. If that continued it would have been annoying, I agree.

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                                                                                                    mcf Jan 21, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                                    All that and the frog song and standing up to the mean girls without acting like one. I agree about Paul, too, as long as I can keep thoughts of the poop strewn apt. out of my head. ;-)

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                                                                                                      debbiel Jan 21, 2012 02:08 PM

                                                                                                      Poop strewn apartment. I clearly missed something. Please do not point me in the direction to be illuminated on this particular thing. I like liking Paul.

                                                                                                      And yes: How could i have forgotten about the frog song!

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                                                                                                        mcf Jan 21, 2012 02:11 PM

                                                                                                        LOL... in an early confessional, he described his drug addled, less than hygienic past living conditions. ICK ICK ICK. (at least it was dog poop, not his own.)

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                                                                                                          debbiel Jan 21, 2012 02:20 PM

                                                                                                          Ahh..I remember the drug stuff, just not the poop stuff. Clearly I wanted to protect my like of Paul. I will not commence the re-forgetting.

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                                                                                                            mcf Jan 21, 2012 02:46 PM

                                                                                                            I know you meant "now." I will not interfere, but you might want to avoid Hugh's blog from now on. ;-)

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                                                                                                              debbiel Jan 21, 2012 03:20 PM

                                                                                                              Oh yes..now. I can't even blame my iPhone auto-correct.

                                                                                                              But I love Hugh's blog. Can you just go in ahead of me and black out anything that might yank me out of my happy place?

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                                                                                                                mcf Jan 21, 2012 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                Sorry, but you're just going to have to put on your Big Girl Panties and read it with one eye closed... if you see Paul's name, just assume that the poop will follow. The word, I mean, not the poop.

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                                                                                                TuteTibiImperes Jan 20, 2012 08:44 PM

                                                                                                Paul can cook, but he comes off as a bit of a dick at times. He reminds a bit of Hung from season 3 - definite skills, but I'm rooting for any of the others (aside from Sarah) to win, I hate to see jerks prevail.

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                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 20, 2012 08:58 PM

                                                                                                  Wow, really? I don't recall dickiness on Paul's part at all. I'd say he's one of the more dickiness-free contestants left.

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                                                                                                    cowboyardee Jan 21, 2012 01:41 AM

                                                                                                    When specifically has he come off as a dick?

                                                                                                    Aside from being a little quiet, perhaps reserved, I can't think of him doing anything that makes him look like an unpleasant guy.

                                                                                                    I mean, there was his admission of his misspent youth, I guess. But plenty of people I like and respect weren't all sunshine and roses when they were teenagers. Or was it something else?

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                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 21, 2012 05:54 AM

                                                                                                      How has he been a dick or a jerk? I can't recall anything he's done that would warrant either of those descriptors being applied to Paul. He gets major respect from the other cheftestants; is easily able to manage a team challenge (in fact, his team usually looks to him to keep things running smoothly). He's the LAST person I'd call a dick or a jerk in this season.

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                                                                                                        Worldwide Diner Jan 21, 2012 11:15 AM

                                                                                                        I was going to pose the question yesterday but I think it's a lost cause. Tute thinks Bev and Ed can do no wrong despite plenty of facts to the contrary.

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                                                                                                          TuteTibiImperes Jan 21, 2012 05:44 PM

                                                                                                          Not enough videos of this season on Youtube yet, and I can't stand watching any more Toyota ads trying to find the moments on Bravo's site.

                                                                                                          Perhaps dickish was the wrong word. I recall him making comments early on about how he was the best chef in this competition, and how being from Texas there was no way he could lose. Perhaps in that light I should have gone with overconfident or cocky. His general demeanor just bugs me.

                                                                                                          I never said Bev and Ed could do no wrong, but I think Bev has gotten a bum rap from a lot of people. She's quiet and reserved and just cooks good food consistently, and when she does assert herself she's been kicked down by the mean girls. She proved herself well over everyone's underdog darling Nyesha, so let's see how things keep going in LCK. As far as Ed goes, I haven't seen a lot of criticism about him from anyone - he seems capable, confident without being cocky, and interested in doing what's best for the team in the team challenges.

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                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 21, 2012 06:07 PM

                                                                                                            I recall him making comments early on about how he was the best chef in this competition, and how being from Texas there was no way he could lose.
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                                                                                                            i think you misinterpreted his comments. he's made remarks on several occasions to the effect that he feels a responsibility to win because he's a Texas chef, and can't lose because state pride is at stake. or at least that's how i heard it.

                                                                                                            do i think he's confident in his abilities? absolutely. but he's not an arrogant prick...and just last week he said that he had a lot of respect for Beverly and thought she was an excellent chef and a real threat in the competition.

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                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 21, 2012 06:28 PM

                                                                                                              What ghg said about being confident in his abilities, but not being arrogant about it. And I agree it was a state pride thing, not a personal arrogance that he meant when he said he can't lose. He didn't want to let his state down, especially since the filming was being done in Texas.

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                                                                                                                mcf Jan 22, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                Exactly. I've never seen him act or speak like a Dig Me.

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                                                                                                              mcf Jan 22, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                                                                              Bev wasn't "quiet and reserved" at the counter at Whole Foods. I think she can out cook a lot of folks there and gets a bad rap on that count, but she's annoying, too.

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                                                                                                  jcattles Jan 20, 2012 01:07 PM

                                                                                                  You have a good point. Mostly I'm just bored at work & this thought struck me. Thought I'd throw it out there.

                                                                                                  I'm wondering though, and maybe someone can answer this for me. Does the final winner of LCK get to compete in the finals or just compete for a spot in the finals?

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                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler Jan 20, 2012 01:42 PM

                                                                                                    There's only been speculation so far. According to what Nyesha said in the previous LCK, there should only be one more "battle." At that point, there will be a final four "in the house" and one person in LCK, which would be five.

                                                                                                    The format has been that four chefs are taken to the two-part "finale" and one is eliminated in a preliminary round. However, one season they did take five to the finale (New Orleans), and they had an instant head-to-head between the two who had been at the bottom of the last regular Elimination Challenge.

                                                                                                    There are a lot of ways they could handle it, including bringing the LCK champ back for the final regular EC. As far as I know, the exact plan is a closely held secret.

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                                                                                                  mcf Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM

                                                                                                  I kind of think that actually tasting the food should be the sole criterion for who stays.

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                                                                                                    chowser Jan 20, 2012 02:55 PM

                                                                                                    My thoughts, too. This isn't American Idol where we get to hear them. LOL, it would be like saying we should call in for American Idol when they mute the show.

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                                                                                                      momjamin Jan 20, 2012 05:05 PM

                                                                                                      Oh, thank goodness American Idol isn't a Bravo show!

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                                                                                                      jcattles Jan 20, 2012 09:37 PM

                                                                                                      Well yeah, but us Chowhounder's have an awful lot of opinions about who stays or goes & we've never tasted the food. Bravo wants to mix it up with LCK why not go all the way & let the fans decide?

                                                                                                      BTW...I was being slightly facetious when I wrote the earlier post and now I'm just plain messing with y'all. ;) I've feeling a bit ornery today, I think winter boredom is getting to me...

                                                                                                      I'm off to bed..it's been a long week.

                                                                                                  2. The Dairy Queen Jan 18, 2012 10:37 PM

                                                                                                    I haven't watched a single episode of LCK (why don't they air this thing on television?! I would totally watch. I hope they do a LCK marathon or something before bringing the winner back into the game), but I have been rooting for Nyesha, partly because I think it would be fun to see how everyone responded when they finally brought her back since she was eliminated pretty early on, but also there's just something about her I like. Talented and classy. Anyway sorry to see her go. :(. I like Beverly, but her range feels very limited to me. There has been more Beverly drama than I care to see, but one never knows how much of that is editing. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 06:42 AM

                                                                                                      Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. I think the surprise by bringing Nyesha back into the TC kitchen would have been great. Much more so than any of the remaining chefs who will be voted off and then have a chance to get back into the competition.

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                                                                                                        mcf Jan 19, 2012 07:03 AM

                                                                                                        I don't have any fondness for Beverly, but I've been thinking for a while that she may be the best chef... VERY bummed about Nyesha, I hope they both get to come back, or there's a competition among the top LCK finishers at the end or something. Two of the best are out as of now, IMO.

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                                                                                                          californiabeerandpizza Jan 19, 2012 07:30 AM

                                                                                                          I still don't get the huge respect for Nyesha. While she was in the competition she did practically nothing, zero wins. I thought Bev did pretty well week in and week out. Her misses were never horrible (as in every dish from Moto Chris prior to this week) and she had some very well received plates. She looks extremely focused in the kitchen and appears to have awesome knife skills so in my opinion she has shown an impressive consistency. A lot of the criticism seems to be that she only cooks Asian. Nyesha seemed put off that she was given "Asian" ingredients, as though they were substandard. How many of the chefs only cook European or North American?

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                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jan 19, 2012 07:37 AM

                                                                                                            Compare Beverly to Paul who often cooks Asian, or in the case of the BBQ, something with an Asian twist, but his range just seems broader. That enchanted forest dish he made last night with the handprint didn't seem Asian at all, even though he surely drew on all of his professional experience to come up with it. He just seems better able to break out of the box.

                                                                                                            And with Beverly it's not only that she seems to cook only Asian, but that she even cooked the same dish (short ribs) over and over.

                                                                                                            And the criticism does get spread around when people's range seems limited. People are complaining in the Top Chef thread right now that whatshername (Sarah?) keeps doing risotto... And in the past there was criticism about whoever it was (Heather?) that did that same cake recipe (not even hers) more than once. And that Chris can't cook something straight up without a gimmick...

                                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                                              huiray Jan 19, 2012 09:43 AM

                                                                                                              TDQ , what do you have in mind when you say "Asian" ?

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                                                                                                              Chatsworth Jan 19, 2012 07:53 AM

                                                                                                              And not just "European" but Italian.

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                                                                                                                mcf Jan 19, 2012 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                Nyesha was unfortunate enough to only be there for the awful competitions in groups they had early on. And each time, her flavors were very highly praised, even when her group's efforts weren't. And she's demonstrated serious chops in LCK.

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                                                                                                                  californiabeerandpizza Jan 19, 2012 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                  "Nyesha was unfortunate enough to only be there for the awful competitions in groups they had early on. And each time, her flavors were very highly praised, even when her group's efforts weren't. And she's demonstrated serious chops in LCK."

                                                                                                                  That's a bit of an exaggeration that the statistics don't back up. LCK is a completely different ballgame.

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                                                                                                                  Worldwide Diner Jan 19, 2012 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                  Bev bombed in alot of team challenges. I think she escaped elimination because other members of the team stepped up and did more and got eliminated instead. For example, in the BBQ challenge, they basically didn't trust her to do anything other than make cole slaw and yet she screwed that up. Chris J cooked all 3 proteins while Chris C seasoned all the protein.

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                                                                                                                    Firegoat Jan 19, 2012 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                    +1 Glad to see her gone. Hope she stays gone.

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                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 19, 2012 09:47 AM

                                                                                                                    "A lot of the criticism seems to be that she only cooks Asian. Nyesha seemed put off that she was given "Asian" ingredients, as though they were substandard. How many of the chefs only cook European or North American?"
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                                                                                                                    Indeed.
                                                                                                                    We've gone over this general subject again and again and still it doesn't seem to register...

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                                                                                                                LurkerDan Jan 19, 2012 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                I like Nyesha and am sorry to see her go. I am ambivalent to Beverly. But still, I am tired of the constant underestimating of her, of contestants and commenters here saying she's not a very good chef. She may not have the range that some others have, and this competition style may not suit her skill set, but she clearly is very talented and makes some awesome food, food I'd like to eat.

                                                                                                                At this point, I am rooting for her to make it all the way on LCK, if only for the chance to see the shock on others faces.

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                                                                                                                  californiabeerandpizza Jan 19, 2012 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                  I was looking for Grayson's Peach Salad recipe on the Bravo site and found it interesting looking through the recipes. Going through chef by chef I got the sense that everyone stays pretty close to their comfort zone. No one is all over the globe. So I'm not sure the case can be made that anyone is exhibiting a huge range. Don't the judges want to see the chef's vision in their dishes? That would be pretty difficult to do if you're all over the map so I don't know that "range" is something they should even strive for.

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                                                                                                                    xo_kizzy_xo Jan 19, 2012 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                    +1

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                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jan 19, 2012 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                      I agree that Beverly's food looks delicious most of the time, including the dish that sent her packing. But the problem I have with Beverly is that her fumbling, bumbling, whoopsie doodle routine is painful to watch, for me anyway. It makes me pity her, which makes it hard to respect her.

                                                                                                                      She could have had immunity last night if she could have managed to plate her food. As you say, maybe she's just not good at playing the game. And then there was the time when she sprayed foam on Padma's dress. These incidents make me feel sorry for her. Sorry=uncomfortable to watch.

                                                                                                                      I also feel sorry for her that she's either getting a bad edit or that her competitiors are picking on her. But half the time she's on the screen, I'm cringing for her and that's just not fun to watch.

                                                                                                                      Also, it's not fun to watch her make the same basic dish three times, even though it was apparenlty amazing. (And it's not fun to watch Sarah do it either, by the way.)

                                                                                                                      But I think she's probably a geniunely talented and kind person. I'd be happy to see her go all the way, as long as Paul doesn't end up getting sent to LCK, then I'd like to see him beat her.

                                                                                                                      ETA: By the way, I think I would be as nervous and bumbling as Beverly if I were on television and being judged by people I admired. This is why I haven't signed up for a "reality/competition" show.

                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                        yummfood Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                        I agree, I agree. I liked Nyesha and am sad to see her pack her knives. However, I've watched every single episode and I still don't understand all this underestimating/hate/annoyance towards Beverly. For everyone who keeps saying that she keeps doing the same thing over and over again....umm...I'm pretty sure she has only done the short ribs twice (different preparations) and I don't think she's repeated anything else.

                                                                                                                        She doesn't purposely try to initiate any sort of drama and seems to be pretty darn focused in the kitchen. It doesn't seem like any of the guys have any problem with her, just the girls. Meh, I guess she's their stressball....they need someone/something to take their stress out on and Bev is the unlucky winner! In tonight's episode even Paul Qui gave her props! He said something along the lines of how she doesn't deserve to be so underestimated and that she probably has the most cooking experience amongst everyone in the house. Haha, I also loved that he said that Bev should cook a killer halibut dish just to show Lindsay how a halibut should properly be cooked.

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                                                                                                                          kristina_kim Feb 1, 2012 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                          It happens every season of Top Chef: someone always ends up being picked on just because the other chefs are terribly insecure, and they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

                                                                                                                          Season 1 it was obvious that Dave knew he wasn't going to win. There was no way in hell he could beat Tiffany or Harold. Hell, the fact that he made it to the finale was a miracle.

                                                                                                                          During season 2 it was all over their faces during the finale in Hawaii; they KNEW Marcel outcooked their sorry asses, and brought up the stupid accusation of cheating (hey Ilan, when you want to talk about sabotage, does that mean manhandling your competitors? yeah, he loves playing fair).

                                                                                                                          Season 3, during the competition at Circus to determine the final 4, the other chefs knew they were in trouble against Hung, and instead of just admitting they sucked, they constantly hammered on him for not helping keep them in the competition.

                                                                                                                          It goes on and on every season. This season, you can see it all over Lindsay and Grayson's faces every single episode: they know they can't win. They don't have a chance unless one of the other competitors dies, leaves due to a family tragedy, or just decides to screw up. In fact, I would go so far as to say that they were intentionally trying to sabotage Bev by trying to deny her a dish during restaurant wars and unloading both main courses on her. It'll be nice to see them go packing eventually.

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                                                                                                                            gaffk Feb 1, 2012 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                            Lindsay and Grayson? I think you mean Lindsay and Sarah? Grayson is the only one who stuck up for Bev and said she should make her short ribs.

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                                                                                                                              bobbert Feb 1, 2012 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                              I hope you mean Lindsay and SARAH. Grayson is the good witch and Sarah is the evil one.

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                                                                                                                                kristina_kim Feb 1, 2012 07:22 PM

                                                                                                                                haha sorry... yes I meant Lindsay and Sarah.

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                                                                                                                                Worldwide Diner Feb 1, 2012 08:15 PM

                                                                                                                                Bev shows that she's either stupid or a bitch in the latest LCK. Hey Grayson, why were you eliminated? asked Bev in the midst of the challenge.

                                                                                                                                And Bev, my opinion that you're stupid, inconsiderate and a hack cannot be a lie unless I don't actually believe in it.

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                                                                                                                                  John E. Feb 1, 2012 09:16 PM

                                                                                                                                  I don't think Beverly had any intentions to mess with Grayson's mind by asking that question when she did. I just don't think she knows any better and that is more evidence that she is socially inept. She's a little like Sheldon Cooper on The Bign Bank Theory. (Gosh, I'm a little embarrassed to have written that).

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                                                                                                                                    bobbert Feb 1, 2012 09:38 PM

                                                                                                                                    +1

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                                                                                                                            Bart Hound Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                            I feel the opposite....why don't they show the entire episode online somewhere? (their website?) (with commercials to make some money???)

                                                                                                                            I'm lucky if can make it up to the start of the show let alone the end so I'm stuck trolling youtube a week later for the episodes. Last night, I fell asleep before the show started but by some miracle woke up at the end of the quick fire.

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                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                              That's what TIVO is for, Bart.

                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                SmartCookie Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                Comcast has all the episodes free in the ON Demand section.

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                                                                                                                                  mcf Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                  That's cool. I don't have comcast, and we so much prefer TiVo to the Cablevision DVR in the family room.

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                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jan 20, 2012 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                    SmartCookie, Comcast has all of the LCK episodes, the regular episodes, or both on Demand?

                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler Jan 20, 2012 12:57 PM

                                                                                                                                      Both, I believe. I know it has LCK -- I just watched it last night.

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                                                                                                                                        Shrinkrap Jan 20, 2012 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                        Sweet! I'v got no speakers on my most watched PC's. Watching it now!

                                                                                                                                        Okay, I'm sure I'm biased, but I'm not seeing over the top confidence (arrogance), or disdain for "Asian ingredients".

                                                                                                                                        Any way, I was inspired to buy some short ribs, boneless "choice", at Costco today. Hit me up with recipes on homecooking!

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                                                                                                                                          mcf Jan 20, 2012 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                          I didn't see it either, just a bit of exasperation over the switch up. I think she knew she was going to knock it out of the park with her basket of flavors, and just didn't recover from the jolt.

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                                                                                                                                        John E. Jan 20, 2012 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                        ComCast skipped a bunch of the LCK episodes and I was forced to watch them on-line.

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                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jan 20, 2012 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                          Oy, sorry to hear that. Comcast isn't my provider, thankfully, but note to self if I ever need to change. In the meantime, I'm going to see if my provider has it.

                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 20, 2012 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                        Yes, Verizonm does as well (both episodes and LCK).

                                                                                                                                        Honestly, a DVR came with my FiOS installation, and 18 months later I still have never used it. Weird, eh?

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                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jan 20, 2012 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                          Hmmm...I wonder if my cable provider has LCK on demand. I shall check tonight.

                                                                                                                                          You know, I didn't get what the big deal about DVRs was before I got one either, but now I swear I can't watch television without one. Regarding the programs you've taped or planned to tape, there's nothing surprising there. The the way it works for the programs you plan to watch in real time is pretty amazing.(Ie., the ability to pause and rewind, etc.)

                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 20, 2012 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                            That pause and rewind thing is why I have been reluctant to get one. In the days of video tapes when we'd be watching a movie I'd have to rewind to watch something over again and it tended to annoy whomever was watching with me.

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                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jan 20, 2012 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                                              My husband's pausing and rewinding is exceedingly annoying. Mine is completely essential. Virtue is in the eye of the (be)holder of the remote.

                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                Shrinkrap Jan 20, 2012 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                Same here. Same reason I can't dictate notes.

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                                                                                                                                                gaffk Jan 20, 2012 02:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. We have a snow\ice storm coming, so I have to amuse myself somehow. (Unless, of course, the power goes out.)

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                                                                                                                                                  mcf Jan 20, 2012 05:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Wait til you start reaching for the fast rewind button on your car radio... I can't stand to watch TV with commercials any more.

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                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 20, 2012 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                    crazy how spoiled and impatient we've become, isn't it? even the 15- or 30-second promos & station breaks on satellite radio make me antsy.

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                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jan 21, 2012 01:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Oh, that's not what bothers me with the radio. It's when I'm out and about running errands in my car and stumble upon an interesting radio show I wish I could rewind, pause, or record. We do have some local food personalities that appear on the radio now and again and I always manage to come into a program halfway through. I wish I could rewind hear the whole thing. Or the other day I ran in to get a cup of coffee on my way to work and I really wanted to pause the program I was listening to, or, at least, record it!

                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 21, 2012 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                        if the station has a website, sometimes you can download a podcast of the show...or find it elsewhere online.

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                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jan 21, 2012 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Excellent point!

                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                        mcf Jan 21, 2012 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Yes... I can't believe how many things in my life have me reaching for the past boodoobedoop button.

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                                                                                                                                                        chicgail Jan 20, 2012 11:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I'm not the only one! Maybe there's a 12-step program.

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                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jan 21, 2012 01:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                          I know exactly what you mean about the radio!

                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                          davis_sq_pro Jan 22, 2012 07:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Pause and rewind? Meh. It's all about fast forward! Goodbye commercials, boring sections of shows, etc. (For example, if you watch Chopped, you can FF starting at when the judges finish talking about the dishes all the way through the commercial break to the first chop, and save yourself 5+ minutes which you can use to do something better with your life.)

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                                                                                                                                                dmjordan Jan 18, 2012 08:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                When Nyesha made the comment that when she saw Beverly she knew she would win, I had a feeling she was going to lose. I liked Nyesha up until now and was on the fence about Beverly. But after Nyesha's comment, I found myself rooting for Beverly. She's the Rodney Dangerfield of Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                  californiabeerandpizza Jan 18, 2012 09:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Very happy for Bev. I don't know how much of it is editing but she seems very talented and humble while most of the other chefs seem like egotistical jerks who aren't as nearly talented as they think they are. I'm a little tired of the "I deserve it and I want to win," comment. Doesn't every contestant want to win and why is any contestant more deserving than another? I've been thinking throughout this season that this group is probably better than they're getting credit for but I don't remember a previous season in which some of the contestants had such an inflated (and what seems to me false) sense of superiority over others.

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                                                                                                                                                    bobbert Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I thought she would lose also. Too cocky. I am kinda bumbed. I like Beverly, I really do but I was thinking it was time for her to go to that happy Zen place. I think she performed really well especially considering what she went through but please, I'm ready to move on without her. I was feeling really good about the competition after tonights episode but it only lasted an hour and then I watched LCK.

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                                                                                                                                                      xo_kizzy_xo Jan 19, 2012 05:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Absolutely this. I was a diehard Nyesha fan up until she said that. Very cocky of her.

                                                                                                                                                      Secretly I hope Bev walks away with the whole thing. I'm a big fan of (metaphorically) trampling all over Mean Girls And Boys.then (metaphorically) kicking them in the face.

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                                                                                                                                                        Worldwide Diner Jan 19, 2012 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I don't think Nyesha was the least bit mean. She thought she would have no problem defeating Bev, but it wasn't said to Bev's face like a taunt. I think Nyesha probably would've won but for the twist. I still don't think Bev is very talented. Her range is limited and she can't think on her feet. For whatever reason, Bev isn't well liked by the other contestants and all we see are the others criticizing Bev. So now the viewers who have no inkling what is actually going on are calling the contestants mean, bitches, etc. If we know all the facts, I'd bet that the others aren't looking down on her or criticizing without good reason.

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                                                                                                                                                          Firegoat Jan 19, 2012 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                          I tend to agree with you. There wouldn't be all this smoke without some fire. I'll miss Nyesha.

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                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I didn't think it then, but I did think it when Nyesha said she had set Beverly up *perfectly* when they had to switch stations and use the other's ingredients. Especially when she was ticked off at what Beverly chose: "Asian ingredients."

                                                                                                                                                        Although when Tom said he wanted to bottle the pineapple chutney, I thought "Hmm, maybe she pulls it out?" But then when he said Beverly's dish was "perfectly seasoned" and pointed out that Nyesha's wasn't, I realized - yup, he's going with Beverly's dish.

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                                                                                                                                                          momjamin Jan 19, 2012 07:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Was Nyesha ticked about Asian ingredients specifically? I thought she said they were just not very interesting -- peppers and onions and stuff that even *I* cook with ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                            Chatsworth Jan 19, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Yep, she specifically mentioned Asian ingredients. And that despite growing up learning to cook with her Korean grandmother. I'm reminded once again that it's all in the editing.

                                                                                                                                                            And the thing about them all deserving to win -- it's just like athletes etc thanking God for winning (a) I think God has better things to do than watch sports, and (b) does that mean that God doesn't like the other team?

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                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I think first it was just uninteresting, but when Tom came up to taste her dish, and asked her what she had made, her comment was something along the lines of "Well, I had Asian ingredients" and there was a bit of condescension in her voice.

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                                                                                                                                                                chicgail Jan 19, 2012 04:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I think it's a stretch to say that Nyesha was being condescending. Maybe it was just her way of saying that it was difficult for her because she doesn't typically cook Asian-style food.

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                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 05:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  OK, so she had "tone" in her voice. I just watched/listened again. When Tom asked what she made, she said "OK, in my bin there was mostly .... (pause) ... Asian ingredients..." Maybe it wasn't condescending, but it just seemed a bit pissed off that she had to use "Asian ingredients".

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                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 19, 2012 05:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    never mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 19, 2012 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      I thought she had said that because it's what you'd expect in a basket put together by Beverly. Nyesha has done things w/ an Asian twist.

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom's compliments on Bev's dish concentrated on how well the flavors went together, which is really a compliment to Nyesha. I didn't like this challenge because it gives the advantage to the one whose competitor put together a better basket. And, Nyesha spent part of her time cleaning the table that Bev left a mess, or so she said and they showed.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler Jan 19, 2012 09:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Not necessarily. We don't know what ingredients were in the basket that Bev didn't choose to use. Grain of salt time: Nyesha says that she set up Bev perfectly, in Nyesha's opinion, because she set it up perfectly for what she wanted to do -- which was obviously not what Bev wanted to do, and thus was not "perfect" for her!

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                                                                                                                                                                          chowser Jan 20, 2012 04:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          "Perfect" as in Tom's comments were about how well the orange paired with the fennel and the olives were a great contrast. Had the challenge been to put together a basket for your competitor, then it wouldn't have been perfect. But, getting flavor combinations that work well in a basket is a gift. Given how Nyesha has been praised for her ability to put good flavors together, I'd be surprised if she had something that didn't belong, especially given the limited time (and arms).

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                                                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler Jan 20, 2012 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Bev has also been praised for her ability to put good flavors together. Consistently. There's just no reason to assume that Bev's ingredients weren't just as good flavorwise, just because Nyesha didn't like them, nor to believe that Nyesha's ingredients in their totality were foolproof and all Bev had to do was throw them together to get a perfect dish. The bottom line is, neither chef got the ingredients she chose. Both had to rethink their game plans.

                                                                                                                                                                            BTW, isn't anyone curious about what Bev had originally planned? Since she had dredged her whole fish in cornstarch I'm guessing that she either planned to flash fry it whole or do something with the skin. It probably would have been more interesting than the rather standard if tasty "small seared piece of protein on a bed of something with sauce" dishes they both ended up with.

                                                                                                                                                          2. goodhealthgourmet Jan 18, 2012 08:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                            nooooooooo!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                              debbiel Jan 18, 2012 08:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Nooooooooooooooo!!! I haven't watched yet, but based on the posts here....noooooooooo!

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                                                                                                                                                                Worldwide Diner Jan 18, 2012 08:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I haven't watched any prior LCKs. Are there twists? I'm sorry that Nyesha got hosed.

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                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 18, 2012 08:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  There hasn't been one like that one, that's for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                Pookipichu Jan 19, 2012 07:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                *sigh* how has ponytail Chris survived another episode...

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                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 19, 2012 07:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  you know, i do have to give him credit for that dessert - they all really seemed to love it. but i'm still not blown away by him, and i was really hoping to be - i watched that series "Future Food" on the Planet Green network, and he and the other guys from Moto did some really cool stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    My problem with Chris is that he's been poor to mediocre the entire season. His one highlight came from giving the judges miraculin powder, arguably the least done by any chef the entire season (maybe ever? other than the vile and phallic chocolate dipped cheeto amuse bouche), to prepare/cook a dish. At least Chris Cray is nice to look at with his sumptuous sable hair. Ponytail looks like roadkill.

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                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      "His one highlight came from giving the judges miraculin powder, arguably the least done by any chef the entire season (maybe ever?...), to prepare/cook a dish."
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                                                                                                                                                                      He made a trio of tasting options to go along with that powder (actually a tablet). Probably did more work than anyone else did that challenge.

                                                                                                                                                                      Here's the thing about Moto Chris: yeah, he has not generally wowed the judges or taken this season by storm. But that's not for lack of trying. Probably more than anyone, he's been the contestant willing to take risks with his cooking, to try his damnedest to surprise and delight. That he's often found himself in the bottom 3 is beside the point.

                                                                                                                                                                      One problem with this season, much like season 5, is that the chefs who are talented (as well as those who are less so, Moto Chris aside) aren't taking risks, stretching themselves, or using their imaginations. The reason this most recent episode was thrilling is that several of them did. But Moto Chris has been cooking that way every chance he's gotten.

                                                                                                                                                                      Why should we as viewers dislike the one chef who's tried to make this season interesting with his food? I for one am not in the least bit interested in watching someone win by cooking recipes out of Mastering the Art of French Cooking, regardless of how damn delicious they might be. Deliciousness doesn't translate well through the TV. Creativity does.

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                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jan 20, 2012 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        You really have to admire his persistance.

                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                          Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          He made a trio of tasting options to go along with that powder (actually a tablet). Probably did more work than anyone else did that challenge.

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                                                                                                                                                                          I know it's a tablet, which is totally besides the point. And you must be joking about his "trio" one of which was seltzer with lemon and lime juice. I was a top chef at age 5 then...

                                                                                                                                                                          I appreciate creativity, but this guy cannot execute. Look at the potato cage, where he promised Grayson to wow. Worse than someone who executes boring dishes well is someone who cannot execute at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                            cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            No, I'm not joking. The dish that won that quickfire was a cube of raw watermelon drizzled with honey nectar and vanilla extract (also, it had Olive Oil mixed with maltodextrin! whiz! bang!)

                                                                                                                                                                            Chris' dish still has two elements you've conveniently left out. The bulk of the dish.

                                                                                                                                                                            "Worse than someone who executes boring dishes well is someone who cannot execute a dish at all"
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                                                                                                                                                                            For one, you overstate his flaws. For another, are we talking from the perspective of a viewer or a judge? Cause personally... I'm the former.

                                                                                                                                                                            But fine, you disagree. Bring yet on another damn risotto then. That oughta make for a fascinating end to the season :-/. But at least girlfriend executes it well.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Everyone has their favorites. Mine not being risotto girl. I think Malibu Chris was eliminated too early. I'll take his oversalted meat over ponytail's limp potato any day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Strange - when I think of malibu Chris, I easily conjure up an image of that 100 watt smile and his windswept hair; likewise I remember his heat-seaking libido... but for the life of me i can't remember a single dish he's made.

                                                                                                                                                                                Wait, now that I think of it, that store-bought ice cream and candy monstrosity is coming back to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 09:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  That's megawatt smile. 100 watt is for eco-conscious suckers thankyouverymuch.

                                                                                                                                                                                  You had me at heat-seeking libido. I'd now officially push ponytail into a pit of crocodiles to save malibu from elimination.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    mcf Jan 20, 2012 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I remember thinking he had nothing much going on, culinarily speaking. And I thought his leering comments were just out of place and annoying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 20, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      but for the life of me i can't remember a single dish he's made
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                                                                                                                                                                                      first thing that popped into my head was the oyster with sea salt "air" from the tequila-pairing challenge. OTOH, i had completely forgotten about his awful dessert from the progressive dinner party. selective memory...

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                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        My late father, a psychologist, called it "blessed repression." :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                          soupkitten Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          i thought that oyster looked fantastic. everything else that malibu did, nope. i thought that either malibu or jonesy deserved to go home in the ep where chuy was eliminated (far too soon).

                                                                                                                                                                                          i don't agree that jonesey recycling dishes/presentations from moto, but executing them badly, is more innovative or exciting or better or more top-chef worthy than some of the others adapting classic dishes and executing them well. i would rather eat bev's short ribs, grayson's schaum torte, sarah's lamb heart risotto, or ed's "not almond joy" --than jonesy's cigar w edible ash or silly, extraneous sweet potato chain. imo the chef that pulls off pig skin ravioli shows more technical skill than one who can't manage to make a winning dish from lobster, vanilla bean and foie gras. with the exception of the gorgeous poison apple complete with the predictable halloween spooky-house dry ice effect, jonesy does not impress on chops or product. however, where i used to find the man simply annoying (the cornfield caper really, really bugged me, there were other moments too, and he seems to be content to skate by and be carried by others in moments when contestants should be going all out-- as in the game challenge and restaurant wars)-- he's grown on me for entertainment value. at least he seems to be a good sport and does not appear to whine or get caught up too much in his own specialness.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            "i don't agree that jonesey recycling dishes/presentations from moto, but executing them badly, is more innovative or exciting or better or more top-chef worthy than some of the others adapting classic dishes and executing them well"
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                                                                                                                                                                                            Have you been to Moto? If not, then what difference does it make as a viewer whether he's made a dish (or something very close) before at his restaurant?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Making a more innovative dish, regardless of execution, is more innovative than adapting a classic dish. That's so true, it's a tautology.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't remember pig skin ravioli - who made that? Sounds interesting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Sarah made pig-skin ravioli in a QF where they each had to use a pig part.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                soupkitten Jan 20, 2012 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                your premise was that jonesy is really putting himself out there, y'know, in true trekkie fashion... going where no man has gone before, har-dee-har ;-P

                                                                                                                                                                                                but if he's just trying to execute the same (e.g.) sweet potato chain he's done hundreds of times at his restaurant (but somehow bungling it), not only is he *not* drawing on original inspiration, 1) he may be exhibiting poor culinary judgement by inflicting an element on a dish where not only does the element fail to enhance that dish, it may actually detract from the presentation or the enjoyment of the other elements of the dish, and 2) if the element fails, it's no more "innovative" than is a parsley sprig garnish. i believe tom c. has repeatedly come down on jonesy for using flash tricks with no substantive gain for the dish/diner and i would agree with tom c. in this case (though it's nice to have hugh around, i think he "gets out" more).

                                                                                                                                                                                                i find the mastery of very old charcuterie technique (e.g.), and incorporating contemporary ingredients/flavor profiles, and turning out something successful, to be extremely innovative. this is not the same thing as repeating an aspic recipe from mastering the art of french cooking. an important element of cooking as craft is that the execution is nailed. theoretical cooks who can't execute can't actually impact anything or become good chefs (per show title, top chef).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "your premise was that jonesy is really putting himself out there, y'know, in true trekkie fashion... going where no man has gone before, har-dee-har ;-P"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  You've misrepresented my premise. My premise was merely that Jonesy is making food that I haven't seen before. I do think he's taking risks though, since his concepts are generally harder to execute and leave themselves open to conceptual criticism on top of technical criticism.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The 'original inspiration' argument is a weird one. Everyone takes inspiration from dishes they've made before. M. Voltaggio was a remarkably innovative competitor, by Top Chef standards. But I'm sure he didn't try out all those techniques and preparations for the first time on TV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "if the element fails, it's no more "innovative" than is a parsley sprig garnish"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  I disagree. I think a glorious failure can sometimes be better than an unambitious success. Especially from the standpoint of a viewer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "i find the mastery of very old charcuterie technique (e.g.), and incorporating contemporary ingredients/flavor profiles.. to be extremely innovative"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a big charcuterie nerd myself, but I don't remember anyone doing much real charcuterie, much less modernizing it. Sarah made a quick sausage that seemed to be fine, but she was unhappy with. As far as this season goes, that's all I can recall (I remember Kevin did some on season 6, but then Kevin was especially awesome). Top Chef's format doesn't seem to be very favorable to many forms of charcuterie, anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "theoretical cooks who can't execute can't actually impact anything or become good chefs"
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, I never said Moto Chris was one of the best chefs this season (though he's probably not quite as bad as his detractors would claim). I just said that wasn't a particularly compelling reason to root against him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    chicgail Jan 20, 2012 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't think Chris is a bad chef, I just think he's a little too taken with Moto-style "tricks" which are different than enhancing the flavor of food with a little molecular gastronomy technique.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee Jan 20, 2012 02:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your assessment seems about right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm still pulling for him, either way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      soupkitten Jan 20, 2012 03:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      the first part of your reply sort of proves my point. m. voltaggio is a great chef because he can execute (he has achieved a level of technical mastery). although the cuisine styles are very different, emeril or e. ripert or or m. symon are also great chefs because they can execute. i would not put jonesy in the same category as any of them (though we'd probably agree that of these four chefs, jonesy would most aspire to be like m. voltaggio) because he doesn't seem to be able to consistently execute-- to produce a successful product.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      and i don't root against jonesy-- he doesn't appear to be meanspirited or evil-- i just don't root *for* him, because i don't think he's particularly good (technically) or interesting (conceptually) or brilliant (execution) or deserving (experience/chops). i don't root for lindsay or beverly, either, if that makes a difference. but (and i'm not trying to put words in your mouth, this is just based on my impression) you shouldn't feel like it's necessary to "defend" any style of cuisine, because no style of cuisine is being criticized here, just folks' execution of it. jonesy mangling a sweet potato effect or a lobster preparation or getting caught up in making a messy bowl of cracker jacks, while his teammate is glowing with unearthly bionic light which makes it hard to look at him, as he single-handedly expedites and executes a whole restaurant's meals...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      anyway, if jonesy screws up a dish it should reflect badly on himself only, certainly not m. voltaggio... not "modernist cuisine." folks mangle classic french recipes every day, because they are bad cooks-- but eric ripert is just fine, and so is french cuisine. i get that you are a jones fan, and i am not, but the heart of it for me is not the (considerable) merit or interesting nature of "modernist" food, it's that i appreciate better and more consistent execution than i've seen him do, for the most part.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        cowboyardee Jan 21, 2012 02:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "M. Voltaggio... Emeril... Ripert... Symon... i would not put jonesy in the same category as any of them "
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nor would I. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Paul skillwise either. Linday or Beverly, OTOH... we could make that argument - any of them have some deficiencies. But in any case, I'm not trying to convince anyone that Jonesy is a world beater or that I like him because he's a better chef than those I like less.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "i just don't root *for* him, because i don't think he's particularly good (technically) or interesting (conceptually) or brilliant (execution) or deserving "
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        I like to see hard-earned skills paid off as well. My other favorite this season is Paul. But...
                                                                                                                                                                                                        A) It's far from the only factor in who I like or dislike.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        B) Aside from Paul, the other chefs aren't quite wowing me enough to make a major point of how weak Jonesy is. He might be the worst chef still in the competition... but by how much? Enough to matter?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Worldwide Diner Jan 21, 2012 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I like molecular gastronomy but Moto is like the half-ass version of Alinea. Nevertheless, I like seeing creative stuff on TV. I don't really need to see more short-ribs. There are alot of Korean restaurants that I can go to that can cook shorts ribs as well as Bev, if not better. I keep thinking, my mom's food probably tastes better than these chefs' but she ain't no Top Chef because all she cooks is Chinese!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler Jan 21, 2012 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I didn't realize you'd tasted Bev's short ribs. When was that?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          cowboyardee Jan 21, 2012 06:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't get to finish my thought before I had to leave the computer earlier. This horse ain't quite dead yet...

                                                                                                                                                                                                          "you shouldn't feel like it's necessary to "defend" any style of cuisine, because no style of cuisine is being criticized here... If jonesy screws up a dish it should reflect badly on himself only... not modernist cuisine."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          I guess if you've read many of my posts, it would be a reasonable assumption that I'm trying to defend modernist cuisine. I've done so in the past. However, that's not quite what's going on in this particular case. I don't get the idea you're bashing modernist cuisine. And for the most part, your assessment of Moto Chris' faults as a chef-testant is right on, IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Here's the thing: I look forward to the discussions of Top Chef at least as much as I look forward to watching it. But I especially like when those discussions are about the food, the cooking technique, and the strategy. When a cook under-seasons or overcooks a dish, there is nothing interesting to say about it, just as there is nothing much interesting to say about a chef who seasons her food perfectly or cooks it to perfect doneness, and wins praise because of it. A chef messes up a risotto or a ravioli, or executes it perfectly - OK there are at least some little technical intricacies that we can discuss, but for the most part the fairly knowledgeable cooks in this forum understand those intricacies enough that there's not much to talk about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          But when a chef steps out and makes something unconventional, whether it's good or bad, there's a lot of room for discussion and debate - where'd the inspiration come from? How'd he make it? Why did or didn't the dish work? Was the idea salvageable or flawed from its outset? Is he out of his freakin mind serving a burnt phallus to the real housewives of Dallas?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          My point is I just think his style of cooking makes for better TV, and steers the focus of the show and the online discussion back toward the food. I'm not saying everyone should do it, but Top Chef is more interesting when at least one person does. Doesn't really matter if he's doing it well or not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 21, 2012 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            OK, I *definitely* missed the description of a burnt phallus served to the Real Housewives of Dallas in my recap for that episode. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 21, 2012 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ""My point is I just think his style of cooking makes for better TV, and steers the focus of the show and the online discussion back toward the food. I'm not saying everyone should do it, but Top Chef is more interesting when at least one person does"

                                                                                                                                                                                                              And I'm quite sure that's one of the reasons two chefs from Moto made it on the show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Shrinkrap Jan 20, 2012 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                "I'll take his oversalted meat over ponytail's limp potato any day."

                                                                                                                                                                                                Okay, was that innuendo, or is that just me?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nope, not just you. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 20, 2012 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://instantrimshot.com/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shrinkrap Jan 20, 2012 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Aww, man! No speakers!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      mcf Jan 20, 2012 05:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm just glad it's not just ME!

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. chicgail Jan 18, 2012 08:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Beverly v. Nyesha -- oh, no!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        chowser Jan 18, 2012 08:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        NNNnnnnooooooo...:-(

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                                                                                                                                                                                          jcattles Jan 18, 2012 08:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          AAAHHHHH!!!!! Nooooooooo....So many swear words are coming out of my mouth right now, I can't even fathom it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 18, 2012 08:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm SO SO mad! I now know who the "spoiler" was noted above in this thread. I'm bummed. REALLY bummed.

                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW - did anyone notice that the first guy kicked off, Andrew Curren, never clapped for Beverly? At least Heather did - half-heartedly, but she did clap when she won.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 18, 2012 08:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              LW, the "spoiler" issue was, uh, addressed a bit upthread. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                              Regarding Andrew Curren not clapping - yes, I noticed that too. I suppose, if one wanted to think in a certain direction, that Heather Terhune would have had some time to spill her guts about her opinions regarding Beverly Kim to all and sundry whilst in the sequester house... ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                              Interestingly, Heather T. very quickly piped up about favoring Nyesha when Tom Colicchio asked whom the past cheftestants thought would win tonight's LCK - followed a little more slowly by Keith Rhodes. When Tom C. asked if anyone thought Beverly K. might win everyone else seemed to shuffle uncomfortably a bit and stayed silent. Heh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                huiray Jan 18, 2012 09:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, Ty-Lor Boring was another non-clapper when Beverly Kim was declared the winner.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Heather T. had a frowny face, Keith Rhodes a stone face but he did go over and hug Beverly K. at the end.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Now I wonder what we are supposed to make of all these bits the elves show us.
                                                                                                                                                                                                :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 18, 2012 10:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And yet we really do not know if Heather actually WAS the first and only chef to announce that Nyesha was favored...the Elves editing and all....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Uh, Keith Rhodes also favored Nyesha Arrington as I mentioned above. Heather T. was not the *only* one; and the sequence to me seems correct for her to be the first. Sure, others might have voted for Nyesha A. too but Tom Colicchio's words seem to indicate not all did, if any others - editing would not have made Tom C. ask the eliminated panel if anyone wanted to go for Beverly Kim.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 18, 2012 10:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Heather was APPARENTLY the only chef to speak up when Tom first asked the question, but we really don't know if others spoke up before or after Heather did when Tom first posed the question, that was my point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 18, 2012 11:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Watch LCK again.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        In sequence:
                                                                                                                                                                                                        (The panel stands pretty montionless and with only faint facial expressions) Tom C. asks for votes, Heather pipes up. Tom comments about the bad blood between Heather T. and Beverly K. BK comments about HT crossing the line again. Panel body movements and faces show more motion, Richie Farina turns towards HT, smirking/grinning. TC asks "Anybody else here". Keith R. points at Nyesha A., and HT turns towards KR, raising her hands. Body motion, facial expressions on panel.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 18, 2012 11:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          What we don't know is what the editors chose to NOT include. We don't know throughout the entire competition what was said that did not make the final cut. There are hours of video recorded at judges table and we see just seconds of it. The same can be said for LCK. If we keep this up, it will really be much ado about nothing as because it already has attained more status than either I intended or care about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray Jan 18, 2012 11:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            If that is so, why are you even bothering to watch the show? Since you seem to disbelieve everything that you see, you might as well just turn your TV off.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser Jan 19, 2012 03:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Exactly. Maybe the elves cut up her response to make it seem like Heather said Nyesha but that was in response to another question.:-p

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 19, 2012 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't disbelieve everything I see. I do however question conclusions drawn from what is shown on TC since I know how the editing process works. It's a reality TV show, it's not reality.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            momjamin Jan 19, 2012 07:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            It seemed like Tom was really milking that question of who was favored by the eliminated chefs, which was kind of odd. But if I'd been, say, Andrew or Keith or Richie, one of the early LCK participants, whether or not I'd been poisoned by Heather et al's attitudes about Bev, I'd go with Nyesha. They've all seen Nyesha on quite a winning streak, and most of them hadn't had Bev's winning short ribs or any other highlights -- they'd just seen her quirks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Jan 19, 2012 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree. And just because anyone would choose to think Nyesha would come out on top, especially after seeing her defeat 5 chefs in a row, does not necessarily mean they disrespect Beverly or her cooking.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bart Hound Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                That was the 2nd or 3rd tipoff that Bev won. The first was Nyesha saying how glad she was to see Bev because it would be an easy win. The second was Nyesha saying how she knew exactly what she was going to make and how she had her dish all planned out. The third (slightly out of order) was Bev not getting a single vote. When I saw that, I knew she won.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                The other thing that occured to me was that Tom may have asked that question at every other LCK and never got an answer worth airing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Indy 67 Jan 19, 2012 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I haven't watched any other LCK competitions, and I have a question about last night's contest. Is there typically some kind of twist?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I ask because last night's twist seemed to me to reflect a lot of producer manipulation. A win by Nyesha would have been routine, but a win by Beverly ratchets up the fan outrage and folks investment in watching.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There hasn't been a twist like that that I can recall, Indy. Read the bottom of each of my recaps for confirmation where I do a mini-LCK recap, but I'm pretty sure that was a first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I didn't like it, personally. But keep in mind that this was filmed months ago. The producers really have *no* idea how the viewing public will respond to Beverly or Nyesha, other than how they think we'd respond based on the editing they give us. And Tom made the decision as to who wins - and he judges on merit - not on ratings. (And I really REALLY don't want to get into another discussion as to whether the results are manipulated by the producers!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Indy 67 Jan 19, 2012 06:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We're in agreement that the editors shape public reaction to a large degree by choosing the material that makes the screen. I'm reasonably confident that several episodes have been filmed by the time the first show gets edited. And, of course, everything has been shot long before the first show gets aired. This schedule allows the editors to feature scenes/comments from the beginning that build a storyline for each contestant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Beverly's behavior from the first offered a great opportunity to edit the show to emphasize conflict and mean girl behavior. With our focus on all that psycho-drama, her chops as a chef came as a great surprise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But her talent as a chef comes with a very irritating style. By the time Beverly arrived at LCK, she has set grilles on fire. Overheated cookware to the point of discoloration. Sprayed foam on Padma. Upended trays of food and cooking utensils. And the list goes on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now the editors have a chance to create a new story line. Beverly VS the mean girls becomes Beverly VS the reigning champ. Tom isn't going to let the producers tell him who should win, but Tom isn't going to dictate the terms of the twist. The specific details favored Beverly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Beverly inherited an assortment of food and equipment that is likely to be complete. (At the very least, Nyesha has been cooking in that setting for several challenges.) Based on her performance in the TC kitchen, Beverly has seemed incapable of getting stocked up and organized in one fell swoop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Beverly's own talents as a chef capitalized on her situation, and the Beverly VS the world storyline can continue.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TuteTibiImperes Jan 19, 2012 07:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bev has come across as a bit klutzy, messy, and scatterbrained during the show, but neither of those things mean she isn't a great chef. Some of the most brilliant 'big picture' type of people I know seem to thrive in an environment of constant chaos and improvisation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Beverly had to pack her knives and go because she accidentally left one element off of her dish in the quickfire - Padme even said during the challenge that had she just thrown on the rice krispies the win and the immunity with it would have been hers. Her food has consistently been well executed and shown attention to the little details when she has had time to get it right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In the rodeo episode Bev went up against Nyesha during the elmination challenge, and the judges all said that they preferred Beverly's chili re-purposing vs. Nyesha's. In fact, had Rich not completely dropped the ball Nyesha would have been sent home even earlier in the season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 19, 2012 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "If the dog wouldn't have stopped to take a crap he would have caught the rabbit'. That's what I always heard when people did the 'what if' speculation. I am referencing Beverly's failed QF dish. The fact is she did not get it plated. She had the same amount of time as everyone else, so I would not put it the way you did. If Ed would have chosen different ingredients he might have won too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Worldwide Diner Jan 19, 2012 08:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bev isn't a great chef because she can't think outside the box. She got eliminated because she couldn't come up with a dish that fits the theme of the challenge. Some times a contestant can get away with it but she didn't, because no one else failed miserably. Bev creates chaos but she doesn't thrive in it. Case in point, she couldn't get her quickfire dish assembled on time. Her food hasn't been consistent at all, either good or bad. One day she'll make a great short rib and the next day she'll totally screw up a coleslaw, f*ck up a duck, take a mild chili and not cook it, make a soy based sauce instead of a mother sauce, or totally bomb a modernist challenge. Compare her record to Paul's. That's why I don't think she's a great chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              californiabeerandpizza Jan 20, 2012 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Compare her record to Paul's. That's why I don't think she's a great chef."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You can say that about every other chef too. Paul is the only one with impressive stats.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jcattles Jan 20, 2012 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In the end though, the stats don't matter. What matters is who is crowned Top Chef at the end of the season. Any of the chefs could float in the middle all season long and end up in the finals and potentially win the whole thing. (Hosea, Ilan??) Sure we can get a feel who the better chef is, but for purposes of the contest, it's who produces the best dish that day. Even the best chef has an off day or makes a poor choice & will get get beat by a less skilled chef. We've seen it happen time & again over the years. Hell we just saw it happen between Nyesha & Beverly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Worldwide Diner Jan 20, 2012 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've said from very early on, this group of contestants are pretty mediocre except for Paul.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pookipichu Jan 20, 2012 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think that Sarah's food has looked very good, as well as Beverly, Nyesha, Ed and Paul. Malibu Chris has the best hair of any season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 19, 2012 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              With their two histories on the show, I believed Nyesha had the advantage over Beverly. Sure, maybe Beverly might have been better "set up" but set up for what? No "Asian" (for the sake of my point please cut me some slack on the use of the word) ingredients for Beverly? She's not supposed to be able to cook outside of her comfort zone and, as I myself would have thought, she's not supposed to be able to make the kind of adjustments required in the challenge.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The swapping of places should have been a huge advantage for Nyesha because, as most of us have been proclaiming, she's just super bad-ass. When the swap was made my first thought was that's the end of Beverly for sure. What we learned from this is something the chefs and us viewers are very slowly and grudgingly starting to accept: Beverly is a pretty darn good cook and if you want to beat her, don't underestimate her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee Jan 19, 2012 09:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "The swapping of places should have been a huge advantage for Nyesha because, as most of us have been proclaiming, she's just super bad-ass... this is something [we] are.. grudgingly starting to accept: Beverly is a pretty darn good cook and if you want to beat her, don't underestimate her."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think you hit the nail on the head. Beverly has some fairly obvious deficiencies. But these deficiencies have caused her competitors and viewers to overlook her strengths.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When her ONLY task is to stand over a table of ingredients, focus on her own station, and make something that tastes good, she is probably one of the strongest chefs this season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In a way, she is kind of like Carla Hall, but without the charisma. If the remaining LCK contests aren't too convoluted or esoteric, she has a fine chance of making it back to the competition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler Jan 20, 2012 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is true. Whatever else you have to say about her, her food tastes good. As for this match-up, didn't she beat Nyesha head to head in the "repurpose the chili" challenge?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jan 19, 2012 07:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't disagree with *anything* you said about Beverly's style. However, per Lee Ann Wong, who used to do be part of the Bravo staff that conceived and created the challenges, they're all decided *long* before the show starts filming. There's a lot of pre-prep that has to be done behind the scenes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Indy 67 Jan 20, 2012 07:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Constructing the conveyor belt that was featured in the Quickfire last week requires prep work. Getting permission to film in an existing restaurant requires prep work. Identifying ordinary citizens and celebrities who will be the focus of an episode requires prep work. Telling contestants to stop and switch food and equipment requires no prep work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know that Nyesha would have beat Beverly without the switch. Nyesha's sense of condescension might have gotten the better of her. Nyesah simply might not be as good a chef as Beverly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think somewhere, a producer is having sweet dreams over the prospect of Beverly re-appearing as a finalist after the abuse the Mean Girls have heaped on her. That's pure gold on reality TV. Therefore, I wouldn't put it past the producers to try to enhance Beverly's chances for success.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sharonlouk Jan 20, 2012 06:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But Nyesha lost because her food was underseasoned, not because she had bad ingredients. I don't think we can blame Beverly for not giving her enough to work with when she might have won if her dish had been seasoned.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Indy 67 Jan 20, 2012 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not blaming Beverly. Nyesha's food was underseasoned. Tom is notorious in his dislike of overly salty or underseasoned food. So Beverly wins on merit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am saying that by introducing the switch, the producers were subtly trying to force an error on Nyesha's part since the underdog story line is pure reality TV gold. The producers would have had no way of knowing that Nyesha would lose on an unforced error.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Look, I can't prove my theory. All I can point to is the fact that this twist was atypical of previous LCK competitions.That makes me wonder why introduce a change? Why now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe because they'd run through all the basics? Even though they hadn't done one like this for LCK, they've certainly done things like that for quickfires.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As someone noted, challenges are planned well in advance, for a couple of reasons. First, because it takes a while to set them up, and second, because they don't want to be accused of doing exactly what you're suggesting (it''s also possible that Top Chef is governed by the game show laws, under which they would be prohibited "To supply to any contestant in a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge or intellectual skill any special and secret assistance whereby the outcome of such contest will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (3) To engage in any artifice or scheme for the purpose of prearranging or predetermining in whole or in part the outcome of a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance.")

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 21, 2012 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now that would be great to know if they *are* governed by game show laws, Ruth!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 21, 2012 10:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Linda Holmes, a lawyer who wrote recaps for Television Without Pity, wrote an article about whether quiz show laws apply to Survivor (and basically said probably not, but it was possible: http://public.getlegal.com/articles/s...). I think Top Chef is much closer to qualifying as a quiz show than Survivor. I'm pretty sure none of the producers of these reality competition shows wants there to be a definitive lawsuit, and one way to avoid it is to behave as much as possible as if the rules do apply.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Worldwide Diner Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Why does a Sole Survivor earn $1 million but Top Chef only gets like $100k (or whatever it is they offer as a prize nowadays)? I think they need to step up the prize money so a winner can actually open their own restaurant. I don't know what kind of sh!thole you can open with $60k (after taxes).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mcf Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Network money vs. cable money.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ruth Lafler Jan 21, 2012 02:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Why should they offer more if they can get people to do it for less? The whole point of Survivor is the big prize/high stakes. The whole point of going on Top Chef is to boost your career, make some contacts, generate publicity for your restaurant, etc. The money is almost incidental.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf Jan 21, 2012 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I never said they should.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler Jan 21, 2012 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No, but WWD did, and I disagree that the difference is cable money vs. network money. First, Survivor was developed by an independent production company and sold to the network (IIRC ABC passed on it), so "network money" wasn't at stake. CBS then put it on as a summer replacement series, basically the low-rent district, having no idea it would become such a huge hit that would reshape the face of television.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Basically, the reason the prize money is different is that the shows are completely different. Part of the "drama" of shows like Survivor (or even The Amazing Race) is that the stakes are so high. Shows like Top Chef and Project runway are driven more by the fact that it's actually interesting to watch creative people being creative.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Worldwide Diner Jan 21, 2012 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm really bitching about the producers of the show. I think they can step up the prize money. They don't have to, but they could afford to. I also think money + prestige will get even more talented contestant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Caitlin McGrath Jan 21, 2012 06:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The prize money is not paid by the producers, but by the sponsor. The production is relatively lean, hence all the product placements. The prize can only go up if they can scare up a sponsor willing to foot it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          terrierboy Feb 6, 2012 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Your point about prize money seems well-taken, WWD. People never take into account that the original prize shrinks after taxes. $60,000 doesn't stretch far when trying to open a restaurant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mcf Jan 21, 2012 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth, my conclusion is different than yours, I hope that's ok with you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 21, 2012 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mcf, I'm pretty sure the lead-in promo for the show actually says that the prize is paid for by several sponsors, like Glad did a few seasons ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 22, 2012 08:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "furnished by Healthy Choice."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 22, 2012 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                and cooked in a GE oven after going shopping at WF in their Toyota Siennas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf Jan 22, 2012 09:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sure, but network TV gets a lot more sponsor bucks than Bravo/cable does, hence smaller prizes on cable. I don't think it's because they wouldn't like to make a huge splash with big prize money. It's all about the Benjamins.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.advertising180.net/blog/television-advertising-thoughts-cable-versus-network

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.legalzoom.com/business-man...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 21, 2012 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          +1. How many Survivor contestants or winners have been able to really boost their careers from the show - yeah, a couple have but generally speaking, if you've gotten this far in Top Chef, you're well on your way to some good things. Even Heather, as much as most here don't like her or how many 1 star Yelp reviews those who hate her throw at her restaurant is now a star! Apparently, because of Top Chef, the restaurant is busier than ever. Granted, by the measure of other reality shows with huge prizes, Top Chef is pretty cheap but in the long run, it can be quite lucrative for the cheftestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                terrierboy Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hugh Acheson had the best take on Beverly: ".... it has become abundantly clear that Beverly comes from a happy place where everyone moves in a slow way, where there is no malevolent force, just clouds shaped like smiley faces, and chirping birds of encouragement. Every time I watch her I wonder how the hell she gets through a day in a professional kitchen, but then again, she often pulls out pretty darn fine dishes out of her dime bag of tricks." After a few weeks, Beverly reminded me of some of my non-cooking friends when they try to help in the kitchen. They just don't do things in a logical way. It should not take so long to clean shrimp, etc. I'm furious she beat Nyesha.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap Jan 19, 2012 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "ratchets up the fan outrage and folks investment in watching."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not for me. I didn't even bother watching....but I will...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray Jan 19, 2012 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do watch. It's worthwhile.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LurkerDan Jan 19, 2012 02:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They haven't do a twist specifically like that in LCK, but they certainly have done twists like that in the past (either a QF or elimination). It didn't seem geared towards manipulation at all. In fact, if the general consensus on Beverly is right -- that she's not great at QFs and time pressured competitions -- switching things up like that should have benefited Nyesha.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought it was a very interesting twist.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler Jan 19, 2012 09:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think the "twist" helped Beverly more than Nyesha. As people have noted, despite the conventional wisdom that Beverly is slower and less organized then Nyesha, she was actually farther into her prep. Also, while Nyesha may not have planned to use "Asian" ingredients (any more than Beverly planned to use Mediterranean ingredients), she's quite familiar with them, as she herself has noted (having a Korean grandmother).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf Jan 20, 2012 09:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But it came down to not enough seasoning, but a little bit. I don't think that was due to the twist. If it were about the conception and execution of the dish otherwise, I might buy the twist mattering.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boudleaux Jan 18, 2012 08:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The elves have me wrapped around their little fingers because when Heather called out how much time was left I yelled (to my laptop!), "Shut up, Heather"!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                4. John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i would like to see video of the eliminated chefs outside of LCK. The Elves should produce an extra episode with video from both 'houses' from throughout the competition. It would be relatively easy to produce and would likely get ratings just as good as any other episode of TC outside of the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    debbiel Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We might get to see some more interesting food that way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      seriously. especially this season!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 12, 2012 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They did this a few seasons ago on their website. Forget which season, but remember it wasn't very interesting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          californiabeerandpizza Jan 13, 2012 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nyesha has done well since she was eliminated but I don't get why she is held in such high regard. While she was in the competition she had zero wins and in her 4 elimination challenges prior to being eliminated she was on a losing team, a low finish, a middle finish, and a high finish. I'm just curious what people saw from her that they found so impressive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            davis_sq_pro Jan 13, 2012 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think it's difficult to judge someone who lost early on due to being part of a shoddy team. The fact is that there's a major luck component to the whole thing. Get with the right -- or wrong -- people in a few of the early challenges and it can make all the difference for the long run. LCK evens things out a bit and the fact that she's been able to hold on as long as she has reveals, to me at least, that she was removed quite prematurely.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 13, 2012 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ^^^ That.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              take a closer look at the stats for the elimination challenges:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chef...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              aside from the day she was sent packing (and many of us think she got a raw deal because she wasn't the one who under-cooked the meat), she was part of a losing *team* but her dish was NOT one of the judges' least favorites. she was only solely responsible for landing herself in the bottom once, and she wasn't sent home that time. she may not have won any QFs, but she was only there for 4...and based on her LCK performance i think it's safe to assume she might have fared well in some other QFs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i think some of us who are loyal to the Los Angeles crew were also hoping/expecting to see her fare well because her food at Wilshire Restaurant is terrific.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ladybugthepug Jan 13, 2012 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To win that many LCK's in a row? These people are getting mowed down week in and week out. It's not luck. If she's somehow able to make it all the way through I think that, in and of itself, is a pretty incredible feat. You make it sound like she was that self espousing cat that got thrown out in the very beginning that couldn't butcher meat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If she's somehow able to make it all the way through I think that, in and of itself, is a pretty incredible feat.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  heck yeah. in fact, i think these head-to-head wins are more impressive than much of what the other chefs have done throughout the season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    DEfinitely! I mean, I'm pretty pretty sure they made it very difficult for someone who was told to PYKAG early on to make it to the finale on purpose.... It makes for a much more exciting story if they do, and a much more dramatic announcement. Not to mention the fact that they had to triumph against contestants that made it much further in the competition than them. It takes much more skill to win a myriad of competitions utilizing different skills based (mainly) solely on their own merit as opposed to (again mainly, so far at least) group competitions. Consistently winning head to head competition in a win or go home scenario is much more impressive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    She's done well that many times in a row in a bunch of odd challenges, been able to win with desserts and with gas station items. She's doing more than a million variations of barbecue and short ribs!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      AsperGirl Jan 13, 2012 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm starting to root for her now. It's so against the odds that she'll make it, the interest factor leaps with each of her wins.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        bobbert Jan 13, 2012 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was so afraid they were going to keep the show's intro where Tom sent him home for the entire season (luckily it only lasted about 2 weeks). I was like, please don't make me watch that at the beginning of each show for the entire season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A big part of it, for me, is the respect she's garnered from Hugh and Tom, as well as the other chefs/contestants and guest judges. Her skills have been praised, as has been her work ethic. Her parts of most meals had been really good. Her background is impressive and she was great in Chef Hunter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mcf Jan 13, 2012 05:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Her flavors were highly praised in a couple of challenges, too, before she was eliminated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 19, 2012 12:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom's comment that she might want to consider cooking semi-Mediterranean, like she did at LCK, more often was interesting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Jan 19, 2012 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I believe chowser's comments were directed at Nyesha, not Beverly to whom I believe your comment was referring.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                KailuaGirl Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sorry if I misread. I've said before that I was all for Nyesha and was hoping she'd go the distance. That said, now I have to hope that maybe 2 of the top cheftestants from LCK get a chance to cook off against each other or both get to cook against the last cheftestants standing in the regular TC. I would dearly love to see Nyesha cooking against Paul, and am not sure which of those 2 I'd prefer to see win. They're both so good, and have such mad skills.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf Jan 19, 2012 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, they're my favorites, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            terrierboy Feb 2, 2012 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought highly of Nyesha because I liked her from her Chef Hunter appearance; she seemed capable and calm. In a season of chefs I found irritating, Nyesha stood out as someone worth cheering on. I felt awful to see her trapped on some bad teams.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mcf Feb 2, 2012 12:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm so incredibly bummed that she's not going to get the chance to compete for Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Feb 2, 2012 05:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i'm with ya on that. i would have loved to see her compete in the finale. the woman is fierce.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf Feb 2, 2012 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yep, she's fierce and she managed to make components that stood out as wonderful flavors in crummy group challenges. If only...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        centralpadiner Jan 12, 2012 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I wanted to say that Nyesha's choice of Heather as sous really shows that she knows how to win this game. At this point I am totally rooting for her to take it all the way!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chicgail Jan 12, 2012 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          +1!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser Jan 12, 2012 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            She's definitely shrewd, a calm thinker. But, hold a grudge much, Nyesha? I'm rooting for her but she remembers all the wrongs and holds onto them. He could be lying but it seems Ty-Lor has a lot of respect for her cooking but came off rude on how he made some comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was thinking the hardest LCK for me would be Paul vs Nyesha because I'd like to see both in the final.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The most unsettling comment from Ty-Lor B. was his statement (again) of how he was very, very good friends with Heather T. Very strange. To me, anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                why is this strange? they worked together for years...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It seems to me they are such different people. One can work for years and years with someone else and still dislike (if not hate) each other at the end. Just working together does not mean you become bosom pals by default.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We really do not know what it is like to work in the real world for/with Heather based on a reality television show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      huiray Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Correct. But as has been discussed over and over again, what we talk about here by necessity is largely based on what we see on the show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        soupkitten Jan 12, 2012 07:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        right, but the logic would follow that these folks are more multidimensional than what we have seen on the show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i don't find it unfathomable that 1) people who are different, but who walk through the same crucible together, can wind up w considerable mutual feelings of loyalty, respect and friendship. see also military comradeship. 2) that those folks who are given the "bad guy" edit to create drama in a reality show may not be all so nightmarishly horrible, and the converse is also true, with folks portrayed as nice and likeable... maybe having some serious personal negatives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nobody is a perfect angel, nobody is evil incarnate. i find the editing easier to disbelieve than that a friendship between two folks who may appear on the surface to be quite different, is impossible. doesn't everyone with a rich life experience maintain some quirky friendships?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler Jan 14, 2012 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It came across to me as code for "we slept together at some point in the past."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    bobbert Jan 14, 2012 05:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm quite sure ty-Lor has not slept with any woman for a while.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler Jan 14, 2012 10:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ya think? Who knows with these guys!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        piccola Jan 15, 2012 05:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In this case, I think he's said so in interviews. Plus there's the whole "posing for gay porn" thing, though of course that wouldn't necessarily reflect his own sexual orientation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 15, 2012 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In his casting video he said directly that he is gay. The video also included scenes of him with other men in circumstances that appeared unmistakably to be in a gay milieu, IMO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 15, 2012 02:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think it was Ty-Lor who stated in the casting video that he left a very religious, conservative home at 18 because of conflicts over his sexual orientation. Although he also said somewhere that he left home at 17 to travel the world, no expenses spared. Does he have a trust fund or something?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 15, 2012 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good question - re: the financial resources. I don't know.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 15, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And I believe he actually stated he was gay during one of the car rides. It's understandable if you missed it - it's so easy to become transfixed on the spacious interior, comfortable and versatile seating options and premium sound systems in the Toyota Sienna that a lot of the dialogue can be missed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 15, 2012 12:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with you, those Toyota Siennas are well equipped. If we were in the market for a mini-van, the Sienna would be at the top of our list. The sonar would be especially helpful for my wife.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 15, 2012 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Heh. Those luxurious motorized chariots are so distracting, aren't they!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, that's right, he mentioned it on that drive - to Dallas, I believe, when they got "diverted" to that field in the middle of nowhere for that ridiculous QF. He also mentioned his boyfriend.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Caitlin McGrath Jan 15, 2012 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                He didn't say "I'm gay," but someone asked if he was married, and he said he had a boyfriend, so same thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  huiray Jan 15, 2012 07:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ah, OK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He does say he is gay on his casting video as I mentioned above.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was about to write a post that used a possible stereotype but based on part of the thread for Episode 10 I will refrain from doing it blatantly. Some people (men?) can have harsh words with one another and a few minutes later are over it and still be on civil, if not friendly, terms. Other people hold a grudge and roll those words over and over in their thoughts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      davis_sq_pro Jan 12, 2012 06:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed. I was definitely rooting for her before but now I'm a confirmed Nyesha fan. Hope she makes it back and takes it all the way to the finale (I'm not quite enough of a fan at the moment to want her to win the whole thing, but I definitely want to see her compete).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 12, 2012 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Although I got the sense it was primarily to deny Ty-Lor Boring the opportunity to have Heather T. as his sous chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gaffk Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I just watched this and Nyesha makes it clear that the reason she chose Heather was to deprive Ty-Lor of his friend and former colleague.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And to her credit, Heather went all out. And to her credit, Nyesha approached it as a collaboration. She is one smart competitor--she may hold grudges, but she can let them go too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dee S Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Totally agree with you on all points. While it seems logical to pick the person with prior pastry experience, I don't think Nyesha really needed that level of support. I think her choice of Heather was to throw a loop in Ty's plans. I think Ty thought he had Heather as a lock; did you see the look on his face? I thought chef's knives were shooting from his eyes!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            centralpadiner Jan 12, 2012 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't deny that one bit, but the point really is that she made the decision that would best help her win the competition, rather than picking the person she "likes most" "has the most in common with", etc. that we have seen on Top Chef in the past. She chose the person her competitor would most want to work with, who had strong skills in an area she was weaker (pastry, in this specific case) and put personal feelings aside to collaborate and make a good dish, even when this chosen person got a little pushy and tried to take over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            IMO, she made wise choices in situations where I have seen poor choices on this show over and over again. (This season, and all past ones as well.) I suspect that the higher level of rest and relaxation provided to the eliminated chefs is part of the equation, but I still think is shows Nyesha as a thoughtful, mature and skilled competitor and if she keeps it up she could get back in and maybe even win it all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 12, 2012 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              True. The end result of her choice was the same, whatever the motive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ChefJune Jan 12, 2012 12:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <Although I got the sense it was primarily to deny Ty-Lor Boring the opportunity to have Heather T. as his sous chef.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think it was the elves again. Nyesha is a shrewd player, and Heather is a pastry chef. She would rather have her on her team than on the opposing one, which certainly would have been the case.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                huiray Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Is she? I thought she had maybe more experience baking stuff than perhaps most of the other chefs but was not a pastry chef per se.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nyesha Arrington's motives may have just coalesced into the same thing in effect, but that does not negate the fact that she apparently *said* that she did not want Ty-Lor B. to be able to have Heather Terhune as his sous chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Heather's bio on Sable's website has this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Terhune then moved to Durham, North Carolina, to work at Pops Trattoria as Executive Sous Chef and Pastry Chef."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  it doesn't say how long she made desserts for that establishment, but any experience is a plus in Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Aha, thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Certainly, any pastry experience is a plus in Top Chef, no argument there!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 12, 2012 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brilliant move.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jcattles Jan 12, 2012 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh yeah, she definitely thought her strategy through. I was a bit worried that choosing Heather might backfire on her though. I'm glad Heather remained professional & did her best to help Nyesha.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There have been very few instances of sabotage by "returning" chefs (I can't recall any, but maybe I'm forgetting). They are all professionals, I think they are all driven to make the best food they can, and they all know (even if they occasionally forget) that they are on TV and need to do what they can to further their careers. Heather wants to be on the winning team making good food, I'm sure, more than she wants to help her friend Ty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    debbiel Jan 12, 2012 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agree mostly LurkerDan, but I think Dave and Stephen were a bit less than professional working with Tiffany in the S1 finale. There might be other instances, but none that I can come up with right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tiffany was a b*tch to work for in that competition and Dave and Stephen showed their displeasure at working for her but I don't think they did any sabotage to her food. I believe Tom indicated she may have won had she not done a 'duo' for every course.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        debbiel Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's been a while so who knows how accurate my memory is. But, it seemed to me that they most definitely did not put their best effort out there for her. That said, yeah, she lost, not them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Was it that competition in which Tiffany used (I think it was Dave's) dessert recipe and did not mention this when talking to the judge's, but Dave did talk about it? Sounds kinda like Heather and Ed, eh?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 13, 2012 04:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the difference is that Dave actually made the dessert for Tiffany and she did not mention it to the judges. I think Ed has let the cake 'recipe', I think it was more like proportions, thing get to his head.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kubasd23 Jan 13, 2012 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              oh, I thought Dave had "given" the recipe that he had brought to Tiffany. Ed's "recipe" WAS more of a proportions thing, you are right, plus it was a basic cake, whereas Dave's was a whole dessert concept.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chefhound Jan 13, 2012 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On the finale of the Next Food Network Star, Peggy (I think that was her name) came back to be the sous chef for one of the finalists. She was so slow that the judges commented on it. But I don't think any Top Chef contestants have deliberately sabotaged to such a degree. The Dave and Stephen show from the season 1 finale was close but they got drunk because Tiffany was so bitchy to them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ah, the villanous Penny . . . I had forgotten her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Jan 13, 2012 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, Penny, who wished to make food 'sexy'. I hate it when the contestants refer to their food as sexy or making love to their food. I don't want to eat it after hearing that. I most remember Angelo making comments like this.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk Jan 13, 2012 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Angelo was always making love to his food. Skeeved me out. And very different than Carla sending dishes out with love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              huiray Jan 13, 2012 05:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Angelo making love to his dishes didn't bother me - in fact I found it charming. Carla sending stuff out with love was sigh-provoking to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 13, 2012 06:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I find the whole 'I make my food with love' thing annoying. Almost as annoying as Angelo making love to his food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  gaffk Jan 13, 2012 07:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nope, the visual of "making love to my food" is definitely more disturbing than making food with love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 13, 2012 08:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Go back and re-read my post. It seems you may have misunderstood it the first time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    By the way, I did not mention nor did I intend to mention any visuals. I have not seen any.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                huiray Jan 13, 2012 05:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Why not?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LurkerDan Jan 13, 2012 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, I thought of Penny, but not only was it on a different competition show but also a very different type of competition with different types of contestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chefhound Jan 13, 2012 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes. Definitely a different type of contestant. No professional would deliberately perform so badly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap Jan 13, 2012 05:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://discoverlosangeles.com/play/di...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Apparently, Nyesha grew up peeling garlic, making wontons, and eating kimchi!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. LurkerDan Jan 11, 2012 10:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It was finally revealed! After Tom announced Nyesha as the winner against Ty, he said that she had to win 3 more to get back into the competition. So, there's 7 left, 3 get eliminated down to 4, but then the winner of LCK (the 3rd person eliminated and the reigning LCK chef) comes back in? A finale of 5? That seems off, I sense another double elimination.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shrinkrap Jan 11, 2012 11:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Toward the bottom, a nice summary of LCK results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chef...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Glad to read Nyesha won yet another one - will have to watch this evening after I *finally* get to see the full regular ep of TC. And interesting that the *last* person kicked out of TC will get to go back. THAT seems very unfair to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                debbiel Jan 12, 2012 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well that last eliminated person still has to win an LCK round to get back in. That doesn't seem unfair to me. Easier perhaps, to only have to go through one LCK, but there has to be a last ast some point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know if easier is the word either because that person will have survived, I'm not going to count them up, many elimination challenges.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    debbiel Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Good point. I should have just said shorter tenure in LCK.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just because they have decided the LCK winner will get back into the main competition when there are 4 left that have not been eliminated does not necessarily mean the next episode is the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought they said that the LCK winner gets to come back for the Finale, not just gets to come back at some point, but I could be wrong. Also, we don't exactly know how they come back, whether they just walk on or is there some additional competition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Jan 12, 2012 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I also do not recall any mention of which episode the LCK winner will re-enter the main competition. Last night's episode really does not completely clarify it either. I remember in TC 5 they gave Jeff a chance to get back in but he had to WIN the last EC challenge to get back in it for the finale, that is if I recall correctly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LurkerDan Jan 12, 2012 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the first LCK, Tom says that the winner of LCk will have to beat "every eliminated chef in the competition" and says that the winner of LCK will get to compete for the $125k. He didn't explicitly say that they would be in the finale, and I may be parsing words more than the elves did, but the implication is certainly that the LCK winner is in the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. Jan 12, 2012 06:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not aware of a 5 chef finale. Heck, they've never even done a 4 chef finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 14, 2012 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          However, they do two-part finales (that is, at a later time at the finale location) with more than three chefs, with one being eliminated in a preliminary round. They did a five-person finale in Season 5 (Carla beat Fabio in a head-to-head round, then there was an elimination round with the final four, and then the final three).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 14, 2012 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am aware that there are two-part finales. Even though they brought 5 to the Bahamas, those episodes were not the 'finale'. TC 8 had only one finale episode while TC 7 had a two-episode finale. I got this from the wikipedia entry that includes details of all the TC seasons.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler Jan 14, 2012 10:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They took five to New Orleans. I consider it the "finale" when it's conducted separately from the rest of the competition, i.e. months later in the "finale" location.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 15, 2012 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The folks doing the stats at Wikipedia don't label the episodes that way, but they're not always correct. I consider the 'Finale' to be when no chefs are eliminated and at the end one of them is declared the Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2012 06:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A finale of 5? That seems off, I sense another double elimination.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  you're probably right. maybe Sarah & Lindsay try to shave Bev's head next week and they both get the boot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk Jan 12, 2012 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chortle, snort.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 12, 2012 07:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL! I actually never thought the LCK person would be brought back at the very end. I think it would be better to get back in, have a couple of elimination challenges to go through and then the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 12, 2012 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's what I've been thinking all along. Come in at around 6, go through a few more regular TC elims, and then the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bobbert Jan 13, 2012 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, and you have to think about it from the TV perspective as well. What percentage of the TV viewers are going on the web to watch LCK? I bet it's not all that high. Whoever it is that makes it back into the competition (hopefully Nyesha) will have to be reintroduced to a lot of the non-internet people so doing so in the finale would not have made too much sense.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Another thought: Athough Nyesha has been facing elimination each week which is a daunting task (even though a growing part of me believes Tom is let's say "rooting" for her to where a tie goes to Nyesha) there is a lot of tough stuff she's been missing out on. While the others go without sleep, drive all over shopping, stab each other in the back and cook in 100+ degree heat I visualize Nyesha waking around 10am, go for a jog then maybe a swim. Meet up with the other eliminated chefs for lunch, maybe a quick nap, another hour at the pool and then mosey on over to the kitchen to slay yet another beaten down just eliminated probably depressed chef. Yeah, she has to get back in long before the finale. Oh yeah, I'm very much rooting for her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 13, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Your description of the eliminated likely schedule of eliminated contestants sounds great! Where do I sign up for this? I'll probably have to come up with at least a killer signature dish....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobbert Jan 13, 2012 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm making some assumptions like - they're probably staying in a descent hotel??? In Texas, they all have pools. They are all air conditioned. For restaurant wars, Nyesha had a couple of days off (at least) to "chill". Imagine if Sarah (as much as I don't care for her) had lost the BBQ challenge and then had to head on over to face Nyesha - it would be like losing a boxing match, get cleaned up, and then being told you get to now fight Mike Tyson - pretty tough task of maybe questionable fairness. So, even though it's pretty tough to keep winning week after week in LCK, on any particular challenge, Nyesha probably has at least a slight advantage which also to a slight degree offsets the mathematical disadvantage she is faced with.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              To be really fair, Tom maybe should not know who created which dish???

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                gaffk Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It would be interesting to know how LCK works behind the scenes. They are always in the same kitchen, so while the competition moves from Dallas to San Antonio to Austin, the eliminated contestants no doubt stay in one of those cities. This means the eliminated contestant and Tom would have to travel back to that city, right? So it's likely there is time between the elimination and the LCK?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hell, it's even possible that they shot all of them in a 2 or 3 day window.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Jan 13, 2012 03:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You hit the nail on the head. They did these LCK cook offs all in one or two days after everybody was eliminated. There is no way that Tom travelled back to Austin (if in fact that's where the LCK kitchen is located). They need a production crew there. It would cost less to do them all at once rather than one at a time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    bobbert Jan 13, 2012 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another great observation! This blows a lot of my perceived theory of an advantage that Nyesha might have right out of the water. Lucky for me, I'm pretty used to being wrong. I hope they tell us all about it at the end of the show. I'm going to look back to see if the non-contestant chefs change clothes - the editors probably are all over that but just in case they missed it....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Leepa Jan 13, 2012 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "What percentage of the TV viewers are going on the web to watch LCK? "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I do because it's most convenient for me that way. Usually, I watch it right after I watch the episode on DVR and before I go check LW's recap and the discussions here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think they're sequestered in an apartment and I don't think they're allowed to be seen. Can you imagine being stuck in a little place w/ Heather and not be able to leave? I think it would drive me crazy. Now, if they'd just rent out a resort on a remote island somewhere--that would be awesome.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Exit

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      KailuaGirl Jan 13, 2012 11:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Perfect analogy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That actually makes sense in that they can't be seen - hadn't really thought about that - thanks. I really can't imagine a dozen or so people stuck in an apartment for that long. Maybe a descent house on the outskirts of town?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. Jan 13, 2012 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The only time I remember seeing the hotel suite where the eliminated chefs end up is episode 2 of TC 7 where John "3 foot dreadlocks" greeted the mousy blond that made banana pudding with two pounds of sugar. It looked like a hotel suite, but I don't remember seeing much of the room, just the couch they conversed upon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So the employees won't spill the beans do they bring them inside in disguise, lock them inside and don't let them leave the suite?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 13, 2012 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They showed every eliminated chef in TC7 up to and including Tiffany Derry (i.e. before the 2-part finale) turning up in the sequester suite in a series of separate videos on the website.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Jan 13, 2012 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My reference was to what is shown on Bravo. Until this year, when forced to because of LCK, I had not watched any videos on the TC website.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KailuaGirl Jan 13, 2012 11:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And no room service? The linens need changing at least weekly, and if they can't leave they need either prepared food delivered or groceries they can use to cook meals.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath Jan 13, 2012 11:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My understanding is that it's not just not having the eliminated contestants returning home and running around giving away that they're off the show, but also that in order to not give it away when they're shooting, they'll bring the sequestered ones along when they're out in public, e.g., at Whole Foods. That way when random people see them (as opposed to people at challenge events, who sign no disclosure agreements), they won't know who's gone and be able to spill once the show starts airing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                DGresh Jan 14, 2012 03:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So that brings up a question-- somehow I doubt they go as far as having the eliminated people actually shop for cartloads of stuff-- does Whole Foods clear out the regular folks for these shopping expeditions? Seems they must; I don't recall seeing them bowling over any soccer moms in there. Then do the eliminated folks join them as they load the stuff into the roomy Toyota Sienna? Or are the cars parked somewhere where no one can see them? Now I'm all curious :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bobbert Jan 14, 2012 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Now I'm all curious :)"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Me too. Must be incredibly complex. As you allude to, they must clear out the whole foods and go very early or late. I've never seen a quieter whole foods. All the chefs must pull up in the Sienna's and go inside. It's all fake and contrived. I'm starting to question my faith in the reality of reality TV.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    huiray Jan 14, 2012 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But we saw Beverly Kim shove her way to the front shrieking her special-fluffy-domness in WholePaycheck with those other shoppers around...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Or were they "hired extras" with ND contracts?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bobbert Jan 14, 2012 06:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Were there that many customers around? Or, could that even have been the 1st episode once they settled on the cheftestants? If so, it would not have mattered who was around as no one had been eliminated yet. I'll have to look back at Linda's recap on this one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        huiray Jan 14, 2012 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good point, it *was* the 1st episode proper with the full complement of cheftestants – so it didn't matter for that one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I do remember that in the NYC TC season it was reported that they filmed in WholePaycheck with signs posted outside advising people that such filming was going on and that folks should stay out if they didn't want to be on camera. Eater.com published photos of said signs and of shots sent to them of some of the cheftestants shopping and I do remember there were some extraneous folks in some of the photos. (Yes, these "surreptitious shots" were the source of much speculation of who was competing in TC, and who were still "in" for some shopping trips believed to correspond with a particular episode (e.g. RW).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler Jan 14, 2012 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It occurred to me a while back that another perfectly reasonable explanation for Beverly's behavior is that when they shop at Whole Foods they're supposed to be given priority. After all, they only have half an hour. They must have some kind of agreement with Whole Foods about how the contestants are going to be handled, especially if, for some reason, they have to shop during normal business hours and not before or after closing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      melanita Jan 20, 2012 06:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I worked at WF during Top Chef and was in the store during the filming. They did NOT clear the store out. In fact, they shopped at a peak time on the weekend because it was when they could fit the shopping into their production schedule. I imagine that it has everything to do with the way things are edited. I never signed a non-disclosure agreement since I was shopping at the time and not working but I know that it was packed in the store at the time. I even got to see Heather and Beverly push each other around at the seafood counter in Dallas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KailuaGirl Jan 22, 2012 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Do they tell the employees at WF when the TC people are coming through? As someone mentioned on the regular TC thread, you could count the chefs, see who's coming through, and at least know who was in the last 6 cheftestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 05:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Can you imagine being stuck in a little place w/ Heather and not be able to leave?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  no doubt Chris Crary is locking his bedroom door at night ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mcf Jan 13, 2012 05:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    With a chair jammed under the knob.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 13, 2012 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ha! good call.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 14, 2012 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And his knife roll already unrolled and at the ready.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huiray Jan 14, 2012 07:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Assuming he still has to share a bedroom with others he *might* scare his fellow roomies, maybe? ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rccola Jan 5, 2012 04:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Was this filmed before or after Nyesha was on Chef Hunter for (I believe) Wilshire Restaurant in L.A.?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk Jan 5, 2012 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It would have to be after as her Bravo bio lists her as chef at the Wilshire Restaurant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              acgold7 Jan 5, 2012 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And her "civilian" chef coat on the show says Wilshire as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                gaffk Jan 5, 2012 05:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oooh . . . sharp eyes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. LindaWhit Jan 4, 2012 08:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, Nyesha the Giant Killer continues to slay 'em in LCK - another one knocked down (see ya, Chris Crary!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As she said - two more to go and she's back in the main competition - will be interesting to see if she can do it! At this point, she deserves it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              debbiel Jan 4, 2012 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would really love to see her do it. And only two more? There are certainly a few people left she could take on. And I assume she has the advantage of being rested (ie, not doing LCK after 40 hours of cooking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It sure was nice of her to let Chris know his soup was about to boil over.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Shrinkrap Jan 5, 2012 12:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Go, Nyesha, go! It's all good from here on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How is it only two more? I'm sure I could google around, but I bet someone here is on it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 04:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm just going on what Nyesha herself said in the confessional.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mcf Jan 5, 2012 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I really want to see her back, I think she's probably the best chef the show has this season, and the most interesting person.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 5, 2012 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would love to see her compete against Paul--both quiet and determined, seem to have garnered the respect of the other contestants and the judges, both outside the box thinkers. That would be a great competition of skill and not drama.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 5, 2012 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        THAT would be a brilliant finale with Nyesha and Paul. :-) But who would be the third? Ty-Lor? Grayson? Edward? I'd lean towards Edward as the third.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chicgail Jan 5, 2012 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd love to see Grayson. As long as she doesn't sing any more stupid camp songs. I sing enough of those myself for all of us.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            davis_sq_pro Jan 6, 2012 06:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think Grayson is pretty weak. IIRC she has not won a single QF, and has been in the bottom several times. I expect she'll be off shortly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think Sarah is the strongest contender after Paul, this week's issue not withstanding. She has serious skills, if she can just leave the drama aside. Edward is also skilled, but again, he wastes too much energy on things that don't matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lindsay might be skilled but either due to her demeanor or the editing of the footage I can't ever seem to remember anything about her. Would be interesting if she makes it to the end by just standing back and letting everyone else go down in flames.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser Jan 6, 2012 06:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sarah is skilled as her techniques go but she's not, or hasn't struck me as, an outside the box thinker like Paul and Nyesha. She's the antithesis of Chris who does tricks for the sake of tricks (which he again did with the MG quick fire challenge). It would be nice to have a combination of Chris and Sarah. I agree w/ you about Ed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Jan 6, 2012 06:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                While I do not believe she is the strongest contestant left, Grayson won the QF where they were using a sauce with Dean Fearing as the judge. She has been in the bottom of the EC twice which is the part of the contest that really matters. Three remaining chefs have been in the bottom more than Grayson while two, Paul and Lindsey, have been in the bottom of the EC fewer times than Grayson putting her right in the middle with Sarah and Ed. I think Lindsey has gone the farthest in TC history without doing anything particularly noteworthy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 6, 2012 07:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  +1 on your Lindsay assessment. I have no idea whether or not she's any good. Nada.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Jan 6, 2012 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    hey, apparently lindsey can make a *fantastic* saltine and canned sausage sandwich.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ell-oh-ell ;-P

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      debbiel Jan 6, 2012 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      :) That's particularly funny right now. Cuz a liverwurst thread on general chowhounding has me thinking of including saltines and liverwurst on a snack plate for a family gathering tomorrow. Of course, I will top it with lettuce foam.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LurkerDan Jan 6, 2012 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Foam makes everything better. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          debbiel Jan 6, 2012 03:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Marcel!!! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  debbiel Jan 6, 2012 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "I sing enough of those myself for all of us."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ha!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ohhhh...They built the ship titanic, to sail the ocean blue...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  chowser Jan 5, 2012 07:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No idea. I'm not that enthralled by any of the other chefs at this point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Exactly. It has just been a rather lackluster season overall, hasn't it? Other than Chuy and probably Paul, no one has really wowed me. I still wish Chuy was in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser Jan 6, 2012 05:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, I liked him, too, as little as we've seen. I figure the third person in the finale will just be a place marker, like Lisa was with Stephanie and Richard.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Jan 6, 2012 07:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ::But....but.....:::: But Lisa came in SECOND, remember? She TOLD us she did! ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kubasd23 Jan 6, 2012 03:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bahaha!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            davis_sq_pro Jan 5, 2012 07:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought she said "a few more." With eight chefs left in the competition I don't see how it could only be two. But anyway, I think she has a great chance of winning LCK. She seems far more skilled than the bottom-rung chefs still left in the competition (Bev, Chris J, Grayson, maybe Ty depending on the day--he's kind of a wildcard in my mind at this point.)