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Steak: The Palm (original) vs. Wolfgang's (original)

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I have been asked to choose between these two steakhouses for an intimate dinner this week. I have never been to either. Any suggestions? How would you vote and why?

Thank you kindly!

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  1. Wolfgangs has better, steak, sides and atmosphere.

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    Wolfgang's
    4 Park Ave, New York, NY 10016

    1. Am not sure if the Wofgangs on Park in the 30's is the "original". If you're considering that location for an intimate dinner, forget it. The place doesn't seat you promptly, they have you wait at the very crowded bar full of after office guys drinking beer till all hours,then they seat you and you have to SCREAM to place your order. As to talking to someone at a 2 person table, you can gesture. They have a nice low tile ceiling and all noise just bounces. If can must bring earplugs.

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      1. re: meinNYC

        I appreciate your point.
        Purely on steak, where would you go?

        1. re: yosemitesamuel

          Wolfgangs on food... and if you want intimate go to the Tribeca location or the one in the 50's East side... I actually like the ambiance at 33rd St but it is not intimate. The others are.

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          Wolfgang's
          409 Greenwich Street, New York, NY 10013

          Wolfgang's
          200 E 54th St, New York, NY 10022

          1. re: dyrewolf

            I agree with dyrewolf that the Tribeca Wolfgang is more intimate, although most steak houses really aren't intimate. The same goes for the Palm, the one on West St. near Tribeca is more intimate than the original Palm. The steak and menu selection is better though at Wolfgangs. The downtown Palm is darker inside than Wolfgang's , if that qualifies as more intimate. Either way , stick with Tribeca

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            Wolfgang's
            409 Greenwich Street, New York, NY 10013

            Palm
            837 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10017

            Palm Tribeca
            206 West Street, New York, NY 10013

        2. re: meinNYC

          I have been there numerous times, as a 2-top and with a larger group. I have never been made to wait more than 5 or so minutes. And, the volume has never bothered me. It's one of my favorite places to go, and one of the only places I bother to eat steak.

        3. I went to the Palm Too last night and it was delicious. The BEST cream spinach ever (and I've tried it everywhere). Great steaks, home fries. Everything you want from a steak house. But it is far from intimate.

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          Palm Too
          840 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10017

          1. Went to the original The Palm back in March, and it was among the most disappointing steaks I've had. I had the ribeye, and all I kept thinking is that my dad used to grill better ribeye steaks than what I was eating at The Palm--really miss my dad!

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            Palm
            837 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10017

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            1. re: ellenost

              My husband and I were similarly disappointed by the original Palm. I wouldn't return.

            2. I ate at The Palm in East Hampton once and the experience was powerful enough to make me never want to try another Palm again. Life is too short, and I value it too highly.

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              1. re: FoodDabbler

                Palm in East hampton is the best Palm

                1. re: FoodDabbler

                  Funny, I hate The Palm in East Hampton, but the steak isn't why (frankly when I am out there I like to buy a prime steak from Citarella and grill it myself or if I just got an order from one of my sources even better) The room has nothing to recommend it, feels like a cafeteria. They don't take rezzies for small groups so one waits FOREVER to sit and the crowd is, well, the worst of East Hampton. If I must go to a steakhouse out there.. Bobby Van's in Bridge..

                2. Thank you all for your helpful replies.
                  So what suggstions WOULD you have for an intimate steak date? :)

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                  1. re: yosemitesamuel

                    Intimate steak date = strip house.
                    But keep in mind, steak house and intimate dont really go together. Strip house is the darkest and most lavishly decorated.

                    1. re: princeofpork

                      Understood. So last question- Striphouse vs. Wolfgang's on steak

                      1. re: yosemitesamuel

                        I am a fan of both the Palm (original) and Wolfgang's (33rd and 54th -- depending on what atmosphere I want). Asking which has better steak is hard to answer. Wolfgang's focuses on porterhouse. You'd never get a porterhouse at the Palm. You, would, however, get the doublecut ny strip, which is excellent. I think the sides are good at both. So for me, it comes down to what type of atmosphere you are looking for (and if you prefer one type of cut over another). If you want loud, more of a scene, then Wolfgang's on 33rd. If you want less of a scene, but still want a porterhouse, go to Wolfgang's on 54th. If you want that homey feel go with the Palm. Just depends on your mood/what you are looking for.

                        Just as an FYI, Wolfgang's is my go to for porterhouse, Strip House for a ny strip, the Palm for something less lively, more homey feel at the bar/table, and Wolensky's Grill for a cajun ribeye. These are all trumped by Minetta for the cote de bouef. I read someone rave about Craft's steaks...I will have to try it, as last time I was at Craft I was shocked at how far it had fallen in enjoyment -- maybe an off night.

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                        Minetta Tavern
                        113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

                        Craft
                        43 E. 19th St., New York, NY 10003

                        Wolfgang's
                        4 Park Ave, New York, NY 10016

                        Palm
                        837 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10017

                        Wollensky's Grill
                        201 E 49th St, New York, NY 10017

                        Strip House
                        13 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

                        Wolfgang's
                        200 E 54th St, New York, NY 10022

                        1. re: Pago77

                          Truth.

                          Palm = NY Strip
                          Wolfgang's = Porterhouse

                          Two different steaks, both great.

                          1. re: Pago77

                            Love the cajun ribeye at S&W

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                            Smith & Wollensky
                            797 Third Avenue, New York, NY 10022

                          2. re: yosemitesamuel

                            I'd have to say Wolfgangs over Striphouse on steak alone.

                            Don't rule out Sparks.... though.

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                            Sparks Steak House
                            210 E 46th St, New York, NY 10017

                            1. re: dyrewolf

                              Sparks is the opposite of intimate from my perspective.

                            2. re: yosemitesamuel

                              If its a date, Striphouse hands down. Business dinner, the its off to wolfgang's though I once did a business dinner at Striphouse. It was kind of silly because you had 12 guys in suits around this table that probably should have had 8 max. Striphouse is much more conducive to conversation at a dinner for a couple. Especially this time of year when a steak house dinner will feel like a scrum with all the holiday entertaining going on. And the steaks at both are fine. Better than fine.

                          3. re: yosemitesamuel

                            Wolfgang's has better steak than the Palm. The new Palm on West St near Warren St. is way more romantic than the other Palms ( except East hampton). Wolfgang is not romantic. Uncle Jack's Upstairs is kind of romantic. Keen's possibly. Mark Joseph's is a good choice.

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                            Keens
                            72 West 36th St., New York, NY 10018

                            Uncle Jack's Steakhouse
                            44 West 56th Street, New York, NY 10019

                            MarkJoseph Steakhouse
                            261 Water St, New York, NY 10038

                            Palm Tribeca
                            206 West Street, New York, NY 10013

                          4. Smith and Wolensky is more classy,

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                            1. re: meinNYC

                              S & W also has the worst steak(s) in the city...

                              1. re: baldwinwood

                                I returned 2 steaks at Smith and Wollensky, also returned a horrible steak at Bobby Flay's

                            2. Had dinner at Wolfgang's 54th last night (a Saturday date night, not a midweek biz dinner). Porterhouse for 2 was great as always... but the service was rushed and rude. Not what I'm after for a Saturday. If we hadn't told them to slow down the steak would have been on the table 30 min after walking in. The waiter just couldn't have had less interest in serving us... and we were some of the better dressed people in the place???

                              I am done with them on weekends.

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                              Wolfgang's
                              200 E 54th St, New York, NY 10022

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                              1. re: dyrewolf

                                Sat night steakhouse dinners are a hurricane. Not a relaxed atmosphere at all.

                                1. re: princeofpork

                                  Shame, it was an 8:30 rez. There was no one behind us for the table and there were empty tables anyway... Friggin waiters were the worst. Keep your stupid wine ignorant hands off my bottle while we're at it. I had wine in there breathing for a while and then they try to refill with wine from the bottle... so frigging pushy. Not buying a second bottle no matter what.

                                  OK, venting done... The steak was quite good... but Quality Meats or Uncle Jack's next time (they do know how to handle wine there.... namely, don't)

                                  1. re: dyrewolf

                                    Great rant. I hate the excessive wine pouring waiter. The bottle is on the table right in front of me, there is wine in my glass. I can pour more when I am ready..Step off!

                                    1. re: dyrewolf

                                      saddly, saturday night is the worst night of the week to dine out eventhough most people want to dine out that night. it's your money, you control the night. if the waiter doesn't get it, the venue does not deserve your repeat business. there are too many restaurants in NYC that you have to settle for BS on Saturday night. the last time at Palm we had the new steak for two, couldn't have been better, a large sirlon that was split by three adults.

                                      1. re: dyrewolf

                                        While Wolfgang's is my regular go-to in Manhattan for porterhouse, lately, I have been thinking I need to change that. I was at the Park Ave location twice in the past month and each time we were made to wait a good 45-60 mins after our reservation time. While the second time they gave the table a free bottle of wine, I'd much rather pay for wine than be made to wait. The 54th street location has generally been ok, but I don't doubt for a second the rushed service -- I have experienced the same before. If only they could get their service down, I'd never think of going anywhere else for a porterhouse. My last meal at Benjamin's had great service and solid food...I might have to frequent it more often. But my biggest lament...why does Minetta have to be so difficult to get in? I wish it wasn't such an image conscious spot.