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Foodie from Chicago needs to know what SFO Neighborhood to live in.

Hello-
Here are the facts:

I am moving to SF in a few months.
I like food.
I will be working in Menlo Park (not sure if I will drive or take the train yet).
I have a dog & a wife (they like food too).

Marina looks good but it seems too far for my commute?
Mission looks good but what is it like to live there?
Other posts have mentioned Hayes Valley as a good Food Hood but is it also a good Hood to reside?

Any tips are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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  1. Which Chicago neighborhood do you currently live in?

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    1. re: pamf

      Logan Square/Bucktown. Lots of great options there.

    2. Can't beat Dogpatch near the 22nd St. CalTrain station. There are lots of great places to eat and it's also near a couple of freeway onramps.

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      1. re: Robert Lauriston

        Thanks Robert - seems super convenient for my commute. That is close to Potrero Hill right? I was checking there but it seemed a little desolate... I will check it out.

        1. re: kelgar21

          Dog Patch ...Not a great neighborhood for either a kid or a dog...basically an industrial area being repurposed for housing with a pocket here and there of older housing...no nearby parks of any size,..and pretty desolate at night. Do you wish to be an Urban Pioneer as a new neighborhood ultimately emerges?...The Mission is trendy..with new and older housing, the best weather in the city...access to the freeway and Dolores Park and numerous smaller parks/playgrounds.and hospitals. it is multi ethnic and quite vibrant...

          1. re: ChowFun_derek

            Dogpatch has been repurposed, definitely past tense, pioneers are long gone. West of Third it's solidly upper middle-class at this point, and east the loft / industrial spaces are pretty upscale, architects, designers, gourmet butcher, Kitchenette. Walk around Serpentine, Mr. & Mrs. Miscellaneous, Yield, and Piccino some evening to get a sense of the demographics, or midday to see all the strollers. Live around 20th and Pennsylvania and the Potrero restaurant row (18th from Connecticut and Texas) is equidistant.

            1. re: Robert Lauriston

              There still is no THERE There...no cohesion yet... just pockets of life.here and there...and hardly a pedestrian feel .....no park....and no real neighborhood feel for which SF is noted....some food yes...but hardly a place for a pet.or a pedestrian..and did I miss a supermarket somewhere?

              1. re: ChowFun_derek

                I think Dogpatch is where Hayes Valley was 15 year ago, but it's going to change a lot faster because of the Mission Bay campus they're building, which is among the priciest commercial real estate in the city right now. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if a market pops up soon. Already they have a butcher for goodnesssakes. The only thing I don't love is the new housing stock which is mostly big condo/loft buildings. Somehow it feels isolating unless you live in that building.

                1. re: ChowFun_derek

                  If you were picking a neighborhood solely for food, the Mission can't be beat, but factor in the CalTrain commute ... I have foodie friends, one of whom goes pretty much everywhere on foot or public transit, who moved to 20th and Pennsylvania a couple of years ago and they love it.

                  1. re: ChowFun_derek

                    There's Whole Foods & Good Life Grocery as well as a few spots for dogs near-by in Potrero.

                  2. re: Robert Lauriston

                    but what happens after you go to all of those restaurants? i've been in the mission for two years now and there's still plenty of places i haven't tried

                  3. re: ChowFun_derek

                    I don't think I am looking to be an Urban Pioneer at this time since I am unsure of my duration in any particular neighborhood... I am thinking of something more established with a nice neighborhood/community feel...
                    Mission sounds good but isn't it a little dicey?

                    1. re: kelgar21

                      There are parts of the Mission that you might find dicey, after dark, and other parts that are much nicer.

                      You might like Noe Valley, right next to the Mission, but probably the most neighbor-hoody part of SF.

                      Are you planning a trip to visit and walk around these neighborhoods before you make the move? Also, if you can try out the commute.

                      1. re: pamf

                        I will be able to visit some of the neighborhoods before I make a decision. Not sure about the commute - which I heard is not fun! I think I will look further into Noe Valley and give the Mission another chance :)

                      2. re: kelgar21

                        I don't know your Chicago neighborhood but based on the Wikipedia description, it sounds most like the Mission. I think you'll want to look west of Mission Street to Guerrero for your comfort zone.

                        1. re: kelgar21

                          as others have said, some parts of the Mission can be dicey, but there are also kiddie shops opening every day and strollers abound (to the chagrin of some, delight of others). if you really want the uber family friendly feel, and to still be close to really good food (aka, the Mission), I would say Noe. I wouldn't know about the commute, however. Bernal Heights is another good option - used to live there myself, and daily had to compete for sidewalk space with dogs and strollers. smaller neighborhood, so, less restaurants, but it's a growing foodie spot.

                          1. re: mariacarmen

                            Come to think of it, I used to commute to Menlo from SF. If driving, Noe/Mission/Bernal are excellent neighborhoods b/c 280 feeds directly into them. If you plan to take the train, you'll really want to consider living within easy distance of the train stations (4th St or 22nd) unless you want to take a bus/MUNI to the train and you're great about running on time.

                        2. re: ChowFun_derek

                          I disagree. I think dogpatch is great for dogs (esprit park, outside seating at piccino, walk to the butcher and great dog day cares). It is a little desolate but an easy walk (or muni ride) into town.
                          ('course I live in SOMA with dogs because you can walk to everywhere from there, too, and it's easy to go south).

                          1. re: ChowFun_derek

                            I have to agree with ChowFun here. There really is no there there yet. It's gonna happen but it'll be a while. If I were choosing a neighborhood for food I'd say you can't beat The Mission you just need to be strategic i.e west of Valencia St.

                          2. re: Robert Lauriston

                            Robert is correct that Dogpatch is a great location given your commute logistics. The Potrero Hill neighborhood is adjacent and might also be considered.

                            Since you live in Logan Square you might find the Marina a bit posh, plus it is on the opposite side of the city from the trains and freeways for your commute.

                            Remember that SF is pretty small, so it's not that difficult to get from one area to another. You might find this series on the different neighborhoods, currently running in the SF Chronicle interesting: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

                          3. Because you have a dog, a child, and a job on the Peninsula, I would suggest Bernal Heights, Glenn Park or Noe Valley. All are in the south part of the city, and are more family oriented than Dogpatch (more single family homes, fewer loft condos).

                            I live in Bernal with family and dog and it is well suited. Has largest off leash dog park in the city (the entire top of Bernal Hill). I commute south to San Mateo daily.

                            Food wise the restaurants on Cortland (Bernal's main business street) range from ok to good. It has a good grocery (Good Life), a great butcher shop (Avedano's,) an enoteca (Vino Rosso) and a small food hall (331 Cortland). Just down the hill on Mission street are a number of really good restaurants and bars.

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                            1. re: Calvinist

                              Thanks! Bernal Heights wasn't even on my radar... I like that it is so close to all that the Mission & Noe Valley have to offer.

                              1. re: kelgar21

                                The Noe Valley restaurant scene has a major case of upscale demographic syndrome. There are some exceptions, such as Contigo, Incanto, and La Ciccia, but it's mostly decent-not-great places that charge higher prices than you'd pay for great food in the Mission. What little ethnic food there is is yuppified.

                                Most parts of Bernal, Mission, and Noe are parking nightmares unless you have a garage.

                              2. re: Calvinist

                                Just pointing out that OP does not mention a kid anywhere in his original post.

                                I would vote Noe due to its proximity to everything (especially the Mission) and easy freeway access.

                              3. I lived in Hayes Valley for 12 years. It's very oriented toward young singles and an urban crowd. I can't recall seeing any strollers in the neighborhood. I loved it because it was 10 mins in every direction to get to any other hood, freeway, BART. But it has already tilted beyond cool and more into Union Street ambiance (very commercial). Parking is now best after 10p. There are housing projects on Buchanan St too if that bothers you. But the food options are excellent with only the Mission possibly edging it out IMO.

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                                1. re: rubadubgdub

                                  what on earth do you mean no strollers? half the shops on Hayes St. now are oriented towards children. Patricia's Green is full of kids and parents every day and early evening. there are dogs everywhere!

                                  Hayes Valley is a great neighborhood to be in, such that you are central to everything and have the ability to go to nearly every neighborhood rather quickly. You will tire of what you find in HV (and the people Friday thru Sunday), but overall the neighborhood can't be beat.

                                  1. re: Amandica

                                    You're right, there is shopping for kids' stuff but do these parents live in HV? I think this is what our person wants, a community, not just a shopping destination (which it has become). Plus he doesn't say he has kids, only a dog, so this is probably a moot point. I haven't lived there in 3 yrs, so it's certainly possible that things have changed a bunch. But I mainly meant to emphasize that it's an urban neighborhood, much more so than many of the others in SF.

                                2. If you are going to live in an apartment or condo, you might want to consider South Beach. The northern part is excellent for restaurants, is close to the Ferry Building foodie Disneyland, and it only takes 6 minutes on BART to get to the Mission from the Embarcadero Station. The southern part has easy access to CalTrain and the freeways and the lawn at the South Beach Marina is really popular with dog owners.

                                  1. SF and Menlo Park are about 25-30 miles apart. you'll have to make sure you are ok with the commute day after day. traffic on 101 during rush hour is not good. taking caltrain is less stress, but it may still take some time to go from door to door dependent on where you live and work. you will have to accept that you will spend 2-3 hours each day commuting.

                                    Or you can live in Menlo Park, and drive to the city when you feel like eating out. but you will probably not go to SF as often.

                                    1. What is most important to you? Is it proximity to transportation/freeway access, given your twice-daily long commute? Is it a place for your dog to be outside? Is it neighborhood where you can get breakfast and dinner everyday? Access to good shopping?

                                      1. You dont have to live in the mission, but youll end up there to eat a lot of the time.

                                        1. As mentioned, Dogpatch, Potrero Hill, Bernal, Glen Park, Noe Valley are all close to the freeway. There's also the area near City College off Monterey Blvd. Those are your best bet.

                                          You might also consider somewhere close to downtown San Mateo. Lots and lots of places to eat and a 20 min drive into SF if the freeway isn't EF'ed up...and a lot closer to Menlo.

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                                          1. re: ML8000

                                            One of the areas "near City College off Monterey Bvld." is the neighborhood I live in, Westwood Park (between Monterey & Ocean, bisected by Miramar). Wonderful little neighborhood with detached homes and some small green spaces (although I wouldn't call them parks). Only downside is that there are not a lot of places to walk to for something to eat. But there is a Whole Foods opening in spring 2012 on Ocean just east of Plymouth!

                                          2. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. The neighborhoods closest to the freeways look good. It sounds like as long as I am close the Mission I will get my foodie fix! I will be visiting these hoods soon and cannot wait to make the final move! Thanks again.

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                                            1. re: kelgar21

                                              If your work is reasonably close to the CalTrain station in Menlo Park, you should definitely take that into consideration when deciding where to live. The baby bullet trains that run during rush hour only take 36 minutes from the 4th st. station in SF to Menlo Park. That beats driving even when there's no traffic. And taking the train is much more relaxing than sitting in stop-and-go traffic on a freeway.

                                              1. re: nocharge

                                                Thanks! Yes - I will take advantage of that if I can as I am used to taking the train in Chicago.

                                                1. re: kelgar21

                                                  If you are interested in how long it takes to get to the CalTrain station from various locations using public transportation, I'd recommend the trip planning tool at 511.org.
                                                  http://511.org/

                                                  1. re: nocharge

                                                    Google Maps can do that too and it's faster and easier.

                                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                      Yeah, but I don't trust the results from Google Maps. Just did a benchmark between the two from a specific location to CalTrain. Google said the trip would be 11 minutes; 511 said 18 minutes. For the exact same trip, that's a pretty big discrepancy. In the breakdown, I'd say Google was unrealistic while 511 might have erred on the side of caution. (Google thinks that an N-Judah trip from 9:36 to 9:43 takes 6 minutes; 511 thinks that the same trip takes 7 minutes. Google thinks you can walk from the MUNI stop to CalTrain in 1 minute; 511 thinks it takes 5 minutes. While 5 minutes may be overkill, Google's 1 minute estimate seems to be based on distance and ignoring the fact that you might be stuck for way over a minute at the crosswalk waiting for a green light.)

                                                      Other than during rush hour, the penalty for missing a train to Menlo Park is to have to wait an hour for the next train. Given that 4th & Townsend is no fun place to wait, I'd rather go with 511's more conservative estimates given how unreliable MUNI is.

                                                      1. re: nocharge

                                                        one more thing to consider- Caltrain doesn't have grade separation. if there is an accident/ fatality on track, there will be delays for hours. happens a few times per year

                                                        1. re: ckshen

                                                          That's very true, but freeways, too, have occasional events that make for long delays. My worst experience was the 1992 closure of NB 101 at Ralston at the beginning of the evening commute. The CHP closed the freeway awaiting a team of investigators that were in Fresno at the time of the accident. Took me over 5 hours to get from Menlo Park to SF.

                                                          My guesstimate for a normal peak-commute-time drive from Menlo Park to SF would probably be 1-1.5h. If you take 101, you will be stuck in traffic. If you take Sand Hill Road, you will be stuck in traffic, too. The 280 part will probably be better than 101 in terms of traffic, but it's a longer route.

                                                          Basically, if you want to live in SF (for whatever reasons, foodie or not) while working in Menlo Park, you are going to have to pay a price for it.

                                                          1. re: nocharge

                                                            Oh I remember that quite well as I looked down from the Oracle offices! Long closure due to a CHP officer involved accident. Memory is failing as I wonder if there was a big concert at the Coliseum as well.

                                                            To the OP: Is your MP office close to the station (along El Camino)?

                                                            1. re: ceekskat

                                                              My office is not close to the station - but my work will provide a shuttle. From what some of my colleges said it only runs twice in the morning so I would either have to get in pretty early or kind of late... I think I will test out both driving and the CalTrain for a while to see what works best...
                                                              And just to be clear - I do not have kids. Ha.

                                                            2. re: nocharge

                                                              I worked in Menlo during the boom and it only occasionally took an hour to drive back to SF. But it did regularly take 45 minutes. It only took 30 mins in the mornings because it's the reverse commute. This is to/from Sand Hill Rd on 280. So I would assume it's about the same now if not better since there are fewer people with jobs.

                                                              1. re: rubadubgdub

                                                                280 doesn't get as backed up for as long as 101.

                                                                1. re: rubadubgdub

                                                                  You could probably do the freeway part in 30 minutes in good traffic -- the stretch of 280 between Sand Hill Road and the King St exit is about 35 miles. However, Sand Hill Road from 280 to El Camino is probably another 10 minutes in good traffic. And Sand Hill Road tends to get clogged when all the people that work at Stanford leave for the day. 280 is usually much less backed up than 101, but is longer and tends to have a slow stretch north of 380 during the evening commute.

                                                      2. re: kelgar21

                                                        Frankly, the train to the peninsula doesn't work unless your work is *RIGHT* at the train station. I moved to within a block of the 22nd street caltrain and took it *twice* in 7 years. The reason - if you're driving, you can be in menlo park in 35 minutes, the train (with getting there early and far-side transit) will take an hour. So you have to take the baby bullet, which only goes from 4th, so you spend 15 minutes getting to the main station. My commute was to San Carlos, and good days were under 30 minutes. If you have any flexibility in your work hours, like departing your house at 9:00 for a 10am arrival, you'll take the car every time. If you're working on Sand Hill Rd, the car is the right answer and you should consider Glen Park but Dogpatch will keep you eating well for a few years - a few good neighborhood places, and the mission and SOMA a quick bus or taxi ride away on weekends.

                                                        1. re: bbulkow

                                                          My friend who lives up the hill from the 22nd St. station takes Caltrain every day. It's not very convenient unless you both live and work walking distance from stations, but if you do, at rush hour it's faster than a car.

                                                  2. If you want a variety I suggest the inner richmond or the Weastern Addition, west of Divs. I commute on CalTrain and I do not think the distance from the train station is in issue, that's just my opinion, though.

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                                                    1. re: mattinsr

                                                      Doesn't the bus to Caltrain add about half an hour each way?

                                                      1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                        I don't know. I've never taken the bus. It's a 14 minute bike ride to the station and I take my time on the way home. I drive on occasion and door-to-door the drive or bike + train take about the same amount of time.

                                                    2. Check out the Duboce Triangle area. It has Duboce Park for your dog, near the freeway and train stops, and plenty of restaurants along Market, Church, etc. Plus, Safeway and a future Whole Foods

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                                                      1. re: Ronald Wong

                                                        Thanks - I just did a search and see that it is close to the freeway but looks kind of far to walk to the train...?
                                                        Some of my wife's co-workers are telling her to live in SoMa?? I am not too keen on that idea but wanted to throw it out there to see what everyone thinks>?

                                                        1. re: kelgar21

                                                          The SOMA landscape is dominated by large buildings, mixed commercial use, almost no single family homes. The feel is lots of concrete and only small pockets of green space. It gets prettier the closer you get to the Embarcadero but at a cost (although people like to call those hoods something else like South Beach, South Park, etc.). The stuff west of 6th Street is grittier and what I think of as SOMA actually. It can feel a little dead during the daytime since a lot of businesses are oriented toward dining/bars/clubs in that area.

                                                          1. re: kelgar21

                                                            Where's your wife working? You probably want a neighborhood that balances good food with minimally painful commutes for both of you.

                                                            SOMA was industrial until the dot-com boom so it's all modern condos and converted warehouses. It doesn't feel like what I think of as San Francisco (Victorians, corner stores, funky neighborhood business districts). There's good food to be had but it's pretty scattered and much of the neighborhood is kind of dead, like what some people are saying about Dogpatch only without the adjacent old residential neighborhood.

                                                            1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                              She is working in the Peninsula as well. Her work is more progressive and offers shuttles/train etc. Depending on where we end up we may drive together (too bad the car pool lane doesn't start until right before our exits).
                                                              I don't think I will enjoy SOMA because of that dead feel to it. Regardless where we end up - we will defiantly make our rounds to check out all of the many hoods & restaurants/bars!

                                                              1. re: kelgar21

                                                                How many nights a week do you plan on eating out? Sometimes visiting is a lot better than living. If both of you are working on the peninsula it will get very expensive very quickly doing the commute.
                                                                Wasn't there this same discussion a couple of years ago? I believe the poster ended up moving to Portola Valley and loved it.

                                                                1. re: poser

                                                                  That's why I mentioned downtown San Mateo. While not on the level of top SF stuff, there's many places to eat. 20 mins to Menlo, 20 to SF.

                                                                  1. re: ML8000

                                                                    I agree completely. Sometimes the idea of living in the city is not as great as actually doing it. The suburbs are not exactly hicksville either.

                                                                  2. re: poser

                                                                    I think the previous poster was thinking of PV but moved to Redwood City. Personally, I'm in the live near work & drive to eat camp and I'm not just saying that because I live in Menlo Park : )

                                                                  3. re: kelgar21

                                                                    spend some time in some of the different areas of SOMA.
                                                                    The stretch of folsom with City Beer, Bloodhound, Citizen's band and Radius is great (and City Beer is just awesome).
                                                                    21st amendment is nice and south park is quaint.

                                                                    (and lots of former Chicagoans I know live in SOMA... there's something to the "dead feel" that creates a neighborhood :).

                                                                2. re: kelgar21

                                                                  I'd like to second and third Duboce Triangle! It's a wonderful neighborhood.

                                                                  When you say "train" I assume you mean to Caltrain, since you're going to Menlo? I will admit that Caltrain is something I'm a bit fuzzy on, but a quick look at googlemaps makes it seem like you can take the N straight to the Caltrain station.

                                                                  Duboce triangle is excellent for transportation, being right near ALL muni trains. And for food, it's walking distance to Castro, most of the Mission, and Haight. If you like walking, Hayes Valley is nearby too.

                                                                  Best of luck with your move!

                                                              2. Look at what I call Bernal Depths. South of 30th Street between Mission St. and San Jose Ave. There are a lot of parks nearby, (St. Mary's, Balboa Park, Glen Canyon Park). 101 and 280 are both within the blink of an eye. Easy access to the Mission and Glen Park for good food. Lots of great public transit.

                                                                1. Dear Kelgar21,

                                                                  A couple with a dog might consider a less urban and more romantic setting near park and restaurants and access to zooming on 280. I'd pick the Avenues, Richmond side near 25th, like low 20s ... or Sunset side south of Irving and west of 19th for quicker getta way to 280 South. You get parks and beach for dog, nice residential neighborhood and shopping for wife, and nice restaurants. Marina is classier, Avenues more residential. Sunset is where 19th Avenue will get you to 280 south for your commute, so Sunset side of the park might also work. My intuition tells me you'd like Richmond side of the park near California or Lake Streets better. Mission might burn you out if your not a swingin' single or hipster. Your pick of the Marina and concern for something residential with access to southern commute is the basis of my suggestions. I've resided and worked all over SF so I like each part of the City for its specific qualities. I actually love the City as a whole. Take your dog in GG Park regularly, and you'll get the hang of things.

                                                                  1. As some others have said I would suggest by the cal train station. I live in South Beach with a husband, dog and soon to have a baby. I love the area. South Beach and Rincon Hill would be a great place for a family with a dog. It's not single family homes but rather condo buildings. My building has about 25 children under the age of 5 living here. I know several friends in the hood with kids who live in various buildings that have activities for kids. There is a grade school being built in Mission Bay really close by. There are two dog parks in the area and three parks for kids in the immediate area as well.

                                                                    As far as restaurants there are no less than 20 restaurants within a 5 block area of my building so great in that respect plus the Embarcadero is a beautiful walk to the Ferry Building. We have lived in the neighborhood for six years and although it used to be very quiet unless it was Giant's season it's definitely not so quiet anymore but still more calm than other parts of the city. Lastly I love it here due to the weather.....we're the last to get fogged in at night and first to get the sun in the mornings....some of the best weather in the city.

                                                                    Good luck on your home search....San Francisco is a beautiful city so I'm sure you'll be happy no matter what area you pick!

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                                                                    1. re: MoniSF

                                                                      I'm a former Chicagoan myself, and I'd like to speak up for Potrero Hill, where I first lived in the city. The freeway access is great for the peninsula (the 280 extension is almost empty southbound, giving you a chance to sip your coffee before you decide between 280 or 101). You can walk to Caltrain. Street parking is easy in most parts of the neighborhood. There are several good restaurants to choose from in the neighborhood itself, although you'll probably head to other parts of the city for true foody destinations. Most importantly, it has a lovely feel, floating above the city but still a part of it. Weather is the best in the city as well. The Castro, where I live now, is a good option as well, with a number of good restaurants, easy access to the Muni metro, central location for access to all neighborhoods in the city. The Castro also has great dog parks (Corona Heights, Buena Vista, Dolores Park, Kite Hill, Duboce Park), and a nice mix of straight and gay.

                                                                      1. re: johnrsf

                                                                        The aforementioned Dogpatch is the eastern base of Potrero Hill.

                                                                        1. re: johnrsf

                                                                          Remember that all the CalTrain baby bullet trains also stop at 22nd St, right in between DogPatch and Potrero, not just at 4th.

                                                                          Potrero is a great neighborhood for food, but not a lot of destination places. Better than Bucktown (although I don't really like the mid-range Chicago food scene in general.) Once you get tired of the neighborhood places, you have a cab, long muni, or sketchy bus ride to other parts of town.

                                                                          Dogpatch just isn't a neighoorhood. Decent restaurants, but I don't like being on the streets after dark outside the few areas Robert outlined.

                                                                      2. With the rental market here, you probably won't have the luxury of much choice, unless your rent budget is very upward flexible. If i were commuting to MP, I'd be looking within a half mile of the Caltrain Station, at 4th/Townsend. SOMA is a quasi-industrial/commercial area that's quickly getting residential infill, and there are scads of restaurants. There are some sweet alleys with older buildings, as well as big loft buildings all over the place. The only downside is that there are few places with yards and Southpark is the only city park, although Mission Bay is being developed with some interesting outdoor spaces and the Embarcadero bay front area is very nice.
                                                                        You're pretty safe where ever you live. There is good food in every neighborhood, lots of variety. My priority would be to not have to drive, so getting close to Caltrain would be a priority for me. Anywhere East of Twin Peaks on the N-Judah MUNI line would be handy, as the N train goes to Caltrain.
                                                                        People have mentioned Dogpatch, which has a Caltrain stop, but for the time being there are only a few good places to eat there and it is fairly isolated from the heart of the city. Most of the food is on 22nd/3rd, and most of the restaurants on Potrero are on 18th/Connecticut, a bit of a hill climb from Dogpatch.

                                                                        1. Hello All-
                                                                          Wanted to let you know that I have landed in Potrero Hill - almost equal distance btwn the 18th St Potrero Restaurant row & the 22nd/3rd St Dogpatch scene. Thank you all for your help and advice. Having spent a few months here, I feel really lucky to have found a nice place in a nice hood (especially in this crazy rental market!).
                                                                          Thanks again!

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                                                                          1. re: kelgar21

                                                                            Thanks for reporting back! Any particular chow favorites in your neighborhood?

                                                                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                              It is nice being so close to Plow so we can walk over before the wait starts!
                                                                              We love piccino & Chez Maman!
                                                                              Take out/delivery staples have been Sunflower & Goat Hill Pizza.
                                                                              We like Hazel's Kitchen for a good/healthy sandwich. Papito has great taco's but I wish they had better margarita's (they add soda water or something to them?).

                                                                              1. re: kelgar21

                                                                                Papito has just a beer and wine license. They probably make their margaritas out of agave wine or some other lower-alcohol substitute for tequila.

                                                                                The cocktails at Poquito are good. http://poquitosf.com

                                                                                1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                  Ha! Thanks Robert. That definitely explains it.

                                                                                  Yes - Poquito has great drinks! I went there for Cinco de Mayo. I also liked their 'Corn Nut' ish appetizer/snack - addicting.