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is a 12" fry pan too big to use on an 8" electric burner?

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anna59 Dec 10, 2011 10:06 PM

I bought a new set of cookware from American Kitchen. It included a 12inch fry pan but my biggest burner is only 8 inches across. It's too small so I'm left asking the question about using it on stove top. I'd hate to get rid of the fry pan. I've looked at newer electric stoves but they all had one burner at 8 inches and the rest at 6 inches. Any suggestions??

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    fourunder Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM

    Use the pan....you'll be fine.

    1. Hank Hanover Dec 10, 2011 10:56 PM

      I would think so. That's a lot bigger than the 4 inch gas burner under my 8 inch grate that I put a 12 inch pan on daily.

      1. paulj Dec 10, 2011 11:15 PM

        Is the 12" across the top, and are the sides flared? What's the diameter of the base? Also what the construction of the pan?

        Food beyond the 8" of the burner might not brown as well, but the pan might still be useful.

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          anna59 Dec 11, 2011 08:11 AM

          yes, 12" is across the top and the sides do flare out slightly. Diameter is 10" at the base. Stainless steel construction.

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          mpalmer6c Dec 11, 2011 12:24 AM

          Sure, many people have that situation. It could help to move the food
          around a bit during cooking.

          1. wekick Dec 11, 2011 05:14 AM

            It's OK.. It all depends on how well your pan conducts heat. If it has copper in the base or aluminum it should be fine. Even cast iron, a poor conductor of heat will work well if the pan is given time for the heat to be equalized. The only problem I can see is if your owners manual specifically limits the size of pan you can use. I had an electric smooth top range that prohibited canners(16" wide). I used it anyway with no problems.

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              Chemicalkinetics Dec 11, 2011 08:55 AM

              Actually, I would argue no. Cast iron will be worse of course, but putting a large fry pan on a small burner will not produce good heating surface even if the pan is made of copper or aluminum, see the last two row of photos:

              http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/02/...

              1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                wekick Dec 11, 2011 09:02 PM

                I've seen that article before and it seems to use sort of extreme conditions to illustrate a point. While ideal to have a pan that matches the burner, I would say the majority of cooks don't have this luxury because if you have big burners then they can overshoot your little pans and vice versa. We had a lot of kids so we always used a 12" skillet to cook with on an 8" electric burner and the pan makes a big difference in the evenness of heat.
                There are many things in this article that I question as to how they relate to actual cooking.
                First of all I can't think when I have ever needed to cook dry flour in a pan without stirring it. If I am making a roux, it also includes fat and stirring. Often there are liquids added while cooking.
                They don't state the size of the burner vs the size of the pan. It seems to have more discrepancy in the picture in the article than what the OP is talking about. The burner seems to be about 33% of the cooking surface as opposed to the OP burner covering 80% of the surface.
                The configuration of the heat source will make a big difference as well. It says a high output burner(whatever that means) is used and the heat seems to be directed all to the center of the pan, almost like a wok burner. None of the pictures seem to use a conventional gas or electric burner. The pan in the upper pictures seems to set off center as well.
                They don't really disclose the exact composition of the pan used and cast iron can vary quite a bit pan to pan. I have some that heat pretty evenly and have ditched others that don't. They don't test copper on any of the "tests". It would also make a difference in the thickness of the materials used in the pan.
                How high is the heat turned up? Lower heat applied over a longer time is going to allow the whole surface to even out in temperature. I almost never have my burners cranked all the way up.
                The last two rows are of an induction burner and I can't comment on that as I haven't cooked on that but maybe because it heats so fast and the way the heat is produced you have to have a closer match in size.

                If I were the OP, I would give it a try and see how it works. If you hate it but need that size, get something with a lot of copper in the base because you will always have the size mismatch and that is the best heat conductor of any conventional pans. If you don't need that size and hate it,-get a smaller one you like. All stainless is going to be one of the poorest heat conductors.

                Here is more than you wanted to know.
                http://www.cookingforengineers.com/ar...

                1. re: wekick
                  Chemicalkinetics Dec 11, 2011 09:32 PM

                  wekick,

                  "First of all I can't think when I have ever needed to cook dry flour in a pan without stirring it."

                  The flour is just something for illustration for temperature. It is a probe. Think of it as a thermometer or thousands of little thermometers. Surely, if someone put a thermometer, you are not going say that you never cook a thermometer for food. As for your "stirring" point, that I wholeheartedly agree. I think if the foods are to be stirred, then the whole argument for even heating surface will become very different. An extreme example is Chinese stir fry, where the foods have to be constantly moved. Consequently, an even heating surface has no use in Chinese stir frying. In fact, the opposite -- a focus heat spot is preferred. That being said, a fact is still a fact. A large pan on a small stove will not produce an even heating surface as a large pan on a large stove. Will we need that even heating? That is completely up for us for judge/decide. It may be necessary. I wasn't trying to tell the original poster to keep or not to keep the pan as you can see that in another post below.

                  "They don't really disclose the exact composition of the pan used and cast iron can vary quite a bit pan to pan...."

                  I am pretty certain the other pan is an All Clad stainless steel pan which is really an aluminum based cookware through triply construction. I think you are missing the more important points of the article. The take home messages from the photos are the following. Point number 1: A cast iron pan (first row) does not provide the same heating evenness as an aluminum based pan (second tow). Point number 2: When a stove is much smaller than the pan, both pans display uneven heating, but the aluminum based pan (row 4) still performs better than the cast iron pan (row 3).

                  I agree with fourunder and you. The original poster (if possible) should just give the pan a try and see if it lives up to the expectation.

                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                    wekick Dec 12, 2011 06:08 PM

                    I understood the point of the article. The whole article is about cast iron. To counter the belief that most people have that cast iron heats evenly, they used an exaggerated circumstance-a tiny high heat burner and an an item that burns easily, flour. It is showmanship.

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                    anna59 Dec 12, 2011 06:50 PM

                    I tried it and it didn't heat evenly at all. Didn't need to try it to know that much. Doesn't matter though as I've found a dear friend who loves the 12" fry pan. We traded fry pans so we're both happy. Big thanks to all those who tried to help me. I appreciate it!! I apologize for posting it in the wrong section. I'm learning :)

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                      paulj Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM

                      An 8" burner under a 10" bottom covers 64% of the surface (8 under 12 44%) - that's in area. Heat from the burner has to transverse vertically .2" of cast iron, but to warm the rim has to travel 5x that (1"), and spread circumferentially as well. At the same time the outer rim is loosing heat to the surrounding air.

                      If you can stir the food, the uneven heating isn't a big deal. But if you can stir it, wouldn't a deeper, but smaller diameter pot do just as well? The large diameter pan is most useful for food that you can't stir, like steaks, or pancakes or french toast. But those are precisely the items where you will notice the uneven heating.

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                  pine time Dec 11, 2011 08:19 AM

                  Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a glass cooktop, and the largest burner is significantly smaller than many of my pans. Like others said, browning is the only iffy part--I brown stuff in rotation, in the "burnerfied" part of the pan, then move it to the sides to continue cooking. Works fine, just slower than I'd like sometimes.

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                    hotoynoodle Dec 11, 2011 08:58 AM

                    i think this is true for many home cooks. with a bigger pan like that the heat's not even, but it's not a dire situation. you're only looking at an inch overhang all around.

                    my b/f has a ceramic top electric stove. i really hate it.

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                      pine time Dec 12, 2011 07:40 AM

                      Yeah, when we remodeled the kitchen 4 years ago, only thing that I had to keep was the ceramic cooktop--running gas lines to the kitchen was just not in the budget.

                  2. Chemicalkinetics Dec 11, 2011 08:52 AM

                    Too big.

                    Of course it also depends what you want to get out of the pan. It will cook of course. However, the surface temperature won't be nearly even. So your 12" fry pan is (10" base) not going to give you a 10" even temperature cooking surface. Will the cookware explode? No. Is it safe to work with? Yes. Will the performance of a pan on a 8" stove same as a 10" stove? No.

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                      anna59 Dec 11, 2011 11:44 AM

                      Ok, everyone. Thanks for all the input, really. BUT, do I keep the 12" completely stainless steel fry pan (American Kitchen ) or find it a better "home". Like I said earlier, even buying a new stove to fit our kitchen, I'm still looking at one 8" burner and three 6" burner (electric heating elements). Is this pan worth saving or is it going to end up sitting in the hutch for eternity collecting dust??

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                        hotoynoodle Dec 11, 2011 01:36 PM

                        pans are measured by the bottom, not the top opening. you have a 10" pan. if you like the pan, keep it, and work within its limitations. it's not a big deal, really.

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                          eight_inch_pestle Dec 11, 2011 01:49 PM

                          Keep it. It's a frequent and minor issue. It'll be fine. Just don't expect things around the edges to brown as fast.

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                            Chemicalkinetics Dec 11, 2011 02:04 PM

                            Anna,

                            I know it seems we are not directly answering your question, but this is because we cannot. The answer really depends on what you expect the cookware to do. Your expectation dictates what needs to be done. It is like asking if you should keep a 12 years Scotch whiskey as opposed to a 18 years Scotch whiskey. The real answer depends on what you want.

                            I think most of us have explained the downside of putting a 10" pan on a 8" stove. It won't give you an even heating surface near the edge. The question you need to ask yourself is: Can I work with this? Is an even heating 10" diameter surface important for what I do? If you don't care, then keep the pan. If it is important, then don't keep it.

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                              fourunder Dec 11, 2011 02:08 PM

                              Here's an idea.....she can try it and see the results for herself.

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                                Chemicalkinetics Dec 11, 2011 02:12 PM

                                :)

                                Simple yet true.

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                                  anna59 Dec 12, 2011 06:51 PM

                                  I did try it. Knew it wouldn't work but I did try it. Traded with someone else for a 10" so we're both happy! Thanks again!

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                                    Chemicalkinetics Dec 12, 2011 06:56 PM

                                    Your welcome, Anna. I suspect that it (uneven heating surface) could be a problem for you. I know sometime it is difficult to break the negative news to people, but it should be said. Ultimately, you are the judge, and we were just giving you a heads-up. Good luck with your new pan.

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                                      fourunder Dec 12, 2011 06:58 PM

                                      Regardless of manufacturer or composition.....all pans have hot and cold spots. With repeated usage, you learn the little idiosyncrasies of each pot or pan from my experiences.....

                                      Personally, I believe your electric heating element is a major part of the problem for you, but we can only expect so much from what we have available to us.

                                      Glad you and your friend are happy with the resolution.....and for coming back and sharing your decision.

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                                  Jay F Dec 11, 2011 03:34 PM

                                  Can you exchange the 12" pan for the 10" pan? https://biz.regalware.com/alt/RRETAIL...

                                3. Barbara76137 Dec 12, 2011 06:23 PM

                                  I have a pathetic, electric stove with one 8" and three 6" tops. I use my copper center AllClad 12" and 8" all the time. I'd love a gas stove, and have thought about getting a "camp stove" on my balcony instead of using the stupid electric stove. Apartment life sucks. :)

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                                    wekick Dec 12, 2011 07:29 PM

                                    I once cooked a Thanksgiving dinner for 25 on an 3 burner electric apartment stove. It was tiny. I used to can on it too, water bather and pressure can. We rented a house on a farm and had every kind of fruit /vegetable available---free.

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