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Orange Wine in NYC

Hofman777 Dec 7, 2011 03:51 PM

I also posted this in the Manhattan forum but I think it applies here too. Does anyone know of a wine store in manhattan where they sell it? I would prefer midtown, gramercy, chelsea or the UWS but anywhere is fine.

Thank you!

  1. BillB656 Jan 5, 2012 01:32 PM

    Crush and Chambers St both have, at times, had orange wines in inventory. Look for Radikon, Gravner, Paolo Bea, Movia, Cornelissen, Vodopivec. Scholium Project (CA) has a few orangey wines as well. Many of these orange wines benefit from aeration and extended decant as some are made in in an oxizided way -- amfora or extended neutral barrel aging. Most make for challenging food pairings as well. Because of the extended skin contact, many of these wines pick up significant tannic structure. Good luck.

    Good review of many orange wines from friend, Thor Iverson over at oenoLogic

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      foodeye Dec 9, 2011 02:34 PM

      Not aware of a store, but at Grammercy Tavern a couple of weeks ago I had a glass of rose that was orange. I ordered it because it was a vintage 2000, which was interesting since most roses are made to drink young. Here are the details: Lopez de Heredia, Viña Tondonia-Gran Riserva, 2000, Rioja, Spain.

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      1. re: foodeye
        BillB656 Jan 5, 2012 01:34 PM

        The LdH Rosado 2000 is showing pretty young. The 1997 is just starting to drink well. The 1993 was fabulous a few weeks ago. Like you said, not your average rose' by any means.

      2. j
        jmoryl Dec 9, 2011 12:56 PM

        Try Chambers St. Wines in Tribeca, just west of W.B'way.

        1. t
          thegforceny Dec 7, 2011 08:32 PM

          After discovering this Asimov article I went nutty and found several of them at Astor Wines. Also saw one served at Scarpetta and another at l'artusi


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          1. re: thegforceny
            JAB Dec 8, 2011 07:49 AM

            How do these differ from Rose wines?

            1. re: JAB
              sunshine842 Dec 9, 2011 11:44 AM

              They *are* Rose wines, from the way I read the article -- with a color that's more orange-ish than pink. There are quite a few of them out there.

              I'd try an importer who carries a lot of French wines -- they'd be able to direct you to producers who bottle wines that are more toward the orange end of the pink spectrum.

              1. re: sunshine842
                JAB Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM

                I wasn't looking, just curious as to the distinction between these "Orange" wines and "Rose" wines. A new marketing gimick perhaps?

                1. re: JAB
                  sunshine842 Dec 10, 2011 01:24 AM

                  I think so.

                  I'm half wondering if it's not because the term 'rose' for most Americans brings to mind the syrupy, sticky "roses" that came in a bigass jug in the 1970's -- and to try to open people's minds that true roses can be wonderfully dry and enjoyable.

                  edit -- found this: http://blog.sfgate.com/wine/2009/10/13/when-is-a-wine-orange/ -- which wanders rather deliberately around the question (amusingly so...) --

                  The Wikipedia entry for orange wine is half-baked, calling the orange production process the opposite of the rose production process, as with orange you leave the skins deliberately to lend color, taste, and texture, whereas with rose, you only leave the skins a short time to control the color, taste, and texture. Not sure how that ends up as opposites -- although I'm sure my winemaker friends would be glad to know that it's opposite...!

                  But I think the most damning evidence in support of your suggestion "marketing gimmick" is here: http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/r... -- "a current favorite of hipster sommeliers". If it's the new buzzword and it makes you too-kool-for-skool to say it, then it's probably just a gimmick.

                  1. re: sunshine842
                    craig_g Dec 14, 2011 01:38 PM

                    Orange wines are *white* wines made with extended skin contact; the skins of even white grapes contain some pigment that, over time, ends up in the wine itself.

                    The red tinge in rose wines comes from red grapes, either because all of the juice is fermented with a brief (couple of days) skin contact, or because some light-colored juice is "bled off" (saignee) immediately after pressing to concentrate what remains.

                    In that sense it's not crazy to call the processes opposite. Orange wines get their dark for white wine color from long skin contact; roses of red wine get their light for red wine color from short skin contact.

                    1. re: craig_g
                      sunshine842 Dec 14, 2011 02:26 PM

                      but they're both made from controlling the contact with the skins....it's just a matter of the length of time.

                  2. re: JAB
                    Melanie Wong Jan 5, 2012 09:23 PM

                    A rose' wine involves red grapes. Either fermented entirely from red grapes and only allowed a small amount of skin contact or a blend of white wine and red wine to achieve the desired color. "Orange" wines or ramato style are made without red grapes as "craig_g" describes below.

                    1. re: Melanie Wong
                      sunshine842 Jan 5, 2012 11:34 PM

                      a true rosé is not a blend - blends labeled as rosé are in fact illegal in Europe.

                      1. re: sunshine842
                        Melanie Wong Jan 6, 2012 09:56 AM

                        Champagne rosé is a notable exception. :-)

            2. Bill Hunt Dec 7, 2011 06:45 PM

              I have encountered "orange wine" (made from oranges) in some areas, where orange production is common. I do not recall any, that did much for me, but could say the same for Pontchatoula Strawberry Wine. Most "fruit wines," that I have experienced, taste like diluted fruit juice and ethanol, but maybe I have not had good ones?

              As for NYC, I will be of zero help - sorry.


              1. b
                Brad Ballinger Dec 7, 2011 04:27 PM

                Do you mean wine made from oranges? Or do you mean orange wine, as a term for white wines whose juice has been left in contact with the skins for a bit resulting in an "orange-ish" color?

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