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Dec 7, 2011 03:51 PM

Orange Wine in NYC

I also posted this in the Manhattan forum but I think it applies here too. Does anyone know of a wine store in manhattan where they sell it? I would prefer midtown, gramercy, chelsea or the UWS but anywhere is fine.

Thank you!

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  1. Do you mean wine made from oranges? Or do you mean orange wine, as a term for white wines whose juice has been left in contact with the skins for a bit resulting in an "orange-ish" color?

    1. I have encountered "orange wine" (made from oranges) in some areas, where orange production is common. I do not recall any, that did much for me, but could say the same for Pontchatoula Strawberry Wine. Most "fruit wines," that I have experienced, taste like diluted fruit juice and ethanol, but maybe I have not had good ones?

      As for NYC, I will be of zero help - sorry.


      1. After discovering this Asimov article I went nutty and found several of them at Astor Wines. Also saw one served at Scarpetta and another at l'artusi

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        1. re: thegforceny

          How do these differ from Rose wines?

          1. re: JAB

            They *are* Rose wines, from the way I read the article -- with a color that's more orange-ish than pink. There are quite a few of them out there.

            I'd try an importer who carries a lot of French wines -- they'd be able to direct you to producers who bottle wines that are more toward the orange end of the pink spectrum.

            1. re: sunshine842

              I wasn't looking, just curious as to the distinction between these "Orange" wines and "Rose" wines. A new marketing gimick perhaps?

              1. re: JAB

                I think so.

                I'm half wondering if it's not because the term 'rose' for most Americans brings to mind the syrupy, sticky "roses" that came in a bigass jug in the 1970's -- and to try to open people's minds that true roses can be wonderfully dry and enjoyable.

                edit -- found this: -- which wanders rather deliberately around the question (amusingly so...) --

                The Wikipedia entry for orange wine is half-baked, calling the orange production process the opposite of the rose production process, as with orange you leave the skins deliberately to lend color, taste, and texture, whereas with rose, you only leave the skins a short time to control the color, taste, and texture. Not sure how that ends up as opposites -- although I'm sure my winemaker friends would be glad to know that it's opposite...!

                But I think the most damning evidence in support of your suggestion "marketing gimmick" is here: -- "a current favorite of hipster sommeliers". If it's the new buzzword and it makes you too-kool-for-skool to say it, then it's probably just a gimmick.

                1. re: sunshine842

                  Orange wines are *white* wines made with extended skin contact; the skins of even white grapes contain some pigment that, over time, ends up in the wine itself.

                  The red tinge in rose wines comes from red grapes, either because all of the juice is fermented with a brief (couple of days) skin contact, or because some light-colored juice is "bled off" (saignee) immediately after pressing to concentrate what remains.

                  In that sense it's not crazy to call the processes opposite. Orange wines get their dark for white wine color from long skin contact; roses of red wine get their light for red wine color from short skin contact.

                  1. re: craig_g

                    but they're both made from controlling the contact with the's just a matter of the length of time.

                2. re: JAB

                  A rose' wine involves red grapes. Either fermented entirely from red grapes and only allowed a small amount of skin contact or a blend of white wine and red wine to achieve the desired color. "Orange" wines or ramato style are made without red grapes as "craig_g" describes below.

                  1. re: Melanie Wong

                    a true rosé is not a blend - blends labeled as rosé are in fact illegal in Europe.

                    1. re: sunshine842

                      Champagne rosé is a notable exception. :-)

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            1. Try Chambers St. Wines in Tribeca, just west of W.B'way.