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foodlovergeneral Dec 6, 2011 12:32 PM

Looking for great Chinese at various budget levels from Chinese food experts who know the authentic cuisine (not the Americanized versions). I have had hits or misses in NY taking CHinese friends to dinner. Some hits:

A Fan Ti: Flushing muslim chinese restaurant with great lamb dishes.

Evergreen; Low cost Flushing Shanghaineses with okay xiao lung bao.

Duen Chen: Flushing seafood restaurant Cantonese style.

Looking for something really great. Lau has a great blog for this and has some great picks, but I need something to take about 20 people that is a bit upscale.

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  1. sgordon Dec 6, 2011 12:52 PM

    For Cantonese seafood in Manhattan, Oriental Garden is probably the best / most refined. Also the priciest. Fuleen on the other side of Bowery is also excellent, though 20 people might be stretching it. You'd have to call and ask.

    Ping's has been great of late, and though the menu does have some "fusiony" dishes on it they're not Americanized - but he does embrace Thai and other influences here and there. That aside, there's quite a lot on the menu that's straight-up traditional as well. They're the biggest place that comes to mind, so for a party of 20 it wouldn't be an issue. He has locations in both Manhattan and Flushing.

    South China Garden is a bit cheaper than the three above, and not quite as refined - but they're pretty delicious. I prefer them for poultry & meat dishes, the others for seafood.

    In Brooklyn, there's Pacificana and few other places in Sunset Park.

    That aside, for more Flushing recommendations you probably should post on the Outer Boroughs board.

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    South China Garden
    22 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

    Fuleen
    11 Division St, New York, NY 10002

    Oriental Garden
    14 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

    Ping's
    22 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

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      foodlovergeneral Dec 6, 2011 02:09 PM

      Would "foodie" Cantonese people love these, or would they think it's too Americanized, or not Cantonese enough?

      1. re: foodlovergeneral
        Chandavkl Dec 6, 2011 04:43 PM

        None of the restaurants mentioned would be considered Americanized. All except Oriental Garden would fail the "bit upscale" test. That's the way it is

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          AubWah Dec 6, 2011 05:42 PM

          Pacificana could be called a bit upscale in these circumstances

    2. Motosport Dec 7, 2011 07:27 AM

      Hunan Manor and Mapo Tofu in Murray Hill and right across the street from one another. Clients are 99% Asian.

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      Mapo Tofu
      338 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10016

      Hunan Manor
      339 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10016

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        swannee Dec 7, 2011 12:28 PM

        Oriental Garden is certainly a safe bet, though 20 will be large group for them. I was disappointed in Fuleen, especially the ambience (definite presence of Gangs). What about a private room in Congee Village? Or Imperial Garden in Flushing? Mulan is too fusion for my taste, but the Hong Kong people I know love it, and it is fancier than most.

        1. scoopG Dec 8, 2011 06:42 AM

          Chinatown/Cantonese:
          Ah-Ping Snack Bar:
          http://www.chow.com/digest/7568/in-chinatown-fujianese-soul-with-a-subtle-hand/

          Amazing 66:

          Fried Dumplings:
          http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2011/02/the-best-fried-dumplings-in-chinatown-nyc-new-york-manhattan-potstickers-chinese.html

          East Corner Wonton:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/611302?tag=boards;topic-611302

          Fuleen Seafood
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/816585

          Great New York Noodletown:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/678367

          Mei Li Wah:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/605528

          Noodle Village:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/493604

          Oriental Garden:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/764593

          Ping’s Seafood:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/805766

          South China Garden:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/679270
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/750220

          Dim Sum:
          Dim Sum Go Go:
          http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/dim-sum-gogo/

          Red Egg:
          http://www.chow.com/manhattan_digest/6625?tag=search_results;results_list
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/610102?tag=main_body;topic-610102
          http://www.redeggnyc.com/

          Fujian operated Homemade, Hand-Pulled Noodle spots:
          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/492376
          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/504362

          Fujian:
          Best Fuzhou Restaurants: (Note the Best Fuzhou one on Forsyth Street has changed hands and is a small Fuzhou style buffet place
          )http://www.chowhound.com/topics/483902

          Double Dragon:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/714304

          Henan:
          Henan Flavor:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/774685

          Sichuan:
          Famous Sichuan:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/753398

          Old Sichuan:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/742493?tag=search_results;results_list#6143259
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/753976

          Shanghainese in Chinatown:

          456:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/770707

          Shanghai Café Deluxe
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/769840
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/704166
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/583263

          Xian
          Xian Famous Foods:
          http://www.xianfoods.com/

          Others:
          Big Wong King at 67 Mott Street, 10013.
          Yogee Restaurant at 85 Chrystie Street, 10002.
          Yummy Noodles at 44 Bowery, 10013.

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          South China Garden
          22 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

          Great New York Noodletown
          28 Bowery, New York, NY 10013

          Amazing 66
          66 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          Best Fuzhou
          71 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

          Big Wong
          67 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          Dim Sum Go Go
          5 E Broadway, New York, NY 10038

          Fuleen
          11 Division St, New York, NY 10002

          Shanghai Cafe
          100 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          Noodle Village
          13 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          Yogee
          85 Chrystie St, New York, NY 10002

          Yummy Noodles
          48 Bowery, New York, NY 10013

          Oriental Garden
          14 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

          Ping's
          22 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          East Corner Wonton
          70 E Broadway, New York, NY 10002

          Double Dragon
          13 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

          Ah Ping Snack Bar
          2 E Broadway, New York, NY 10038

          Red Egg
          202 Centre Street, New York, NY 10013

          Famous Sichuan
          10 Pell St, New York, NY 10013

          Xi'an Famous Foods
          81 St. Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

          Xi'an Famous Foods
          88 E Broadway, New York, NY 10002

          Old Sichuan
          65 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

          456 Shanghai Cuisine
          69 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

          He Nan Flavor
          68 Forsyth St, New York, NY 10002

          Mei Li Wah
          64 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

          Xi'an Famous Foods
          67 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

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          1. re: scoopG
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            foodlovergeneral Dec 23, 2011 05:52 PM

            Has anyone been to M&T Qindao in flushing? Anyone who can vouch for it's Chineseness?

            1. re: foodlovergeneral
              Chandavkl Dec 23, 2011 06:08 PM

              Well discussed on the Outer Boroughs board. Here's one thread:

              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/678000

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                foodlovergeneral Dec 23, 2011 07:09 PM

                Thanks. Is it appealing for Chinese eaters?

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                  diprey11 Dec 23, 2011 09:23 PM

                  If you are planing to bring 20 people to M&T, I suggest you call them in advance: this is a small, family restaurant, and by no means upscale.

                2. re: Chandavkl
                  scoopG Dec 24, 2011 04:58 AM

                  More recent reports here on M&T:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/640474

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                foodlovergeneral Dec 23, 2011 06:08 PM

                Dear scoopG-Would you be able to provide a little color on some of these choices?

                1. re: foodlovergeneral
                  scoopG Dec 24, 2011 05:09 AM

                  Hi foodlovergeneral! It really depends on the Chinese people you are taking and where they are from. Folks generally think the food from their own province is tops and food not from their province is sub-par or you name it: not as fresh, not as good as home, too spicy, too salty, not salty enough, not spicy enough, too much vinegar, too much sugar...it can go on and on. M&T is not fancy but a group of 20 could take over the place and have a great time.

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                    foodlovergeneral Dec 24, 2011 05:33 AM

                    Thanks. I think you have described it extremely accurately from what I can tell.

                    1. re: foodlovergeneral
                      Chandavkl Dec 24, 2011 08:24 AM

                      Cantonese eaters are the most provincial. Many of my Cantonese (actually Toishanese) relatives and friends wouldn't be caught dead in a non-Cantonese restaurant. One poster on the L.A. board mentioned that some Cantonese categorize bell peppers as spicy food. You would never take somebody like that to a non-Cantonese restaurant.

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