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Well I went to the much anticipated Short Order, Nancy Silverton's burger restaurant at the Farmer's Market, for lunch. I ordered Nancy's Backyard Burger, which is a burger with bacon, avocado, a spicy mayonnaise, red onion, some bibb lettuce. I believe it is on a brioche bun.

It's good. It's fine. The burger is high quality and with an exceptionally "clean" grass fed taste to it. It is put together with care. I was offered it cooked medium rare or medium well, and I went with MR. It was very juicy, and the overall combinations of flavors were quite nice.

Surprisingly good were the string fries, skinny, salty gnarled amber colored fingers of potato goodness. And hey, a sizeable portion at $3.00 is a good buy.

But back to the burger. It cost me $13.00. Yes. $13.00 for a medium sized, high quality burger. It was good, but not $13.00 good. Not even close. By the time I got out with tax and tip I was $21.00 into a ...burger.

I should state that I was impressed with the service. Bright young people in their twenties who are friendly but not too informal or cheeky. No "hey guys," no attitude, but polite, attentive but not intrusive.

I predict that with The Counter just down the street on Wilshire, and Johnny Rocket's just across the courtyard in the Farmer's Market, and with the price at Short Order, Nancy's new place is not going to have a long lifespan.

All in all, if you've ever had a nice, high quality burger elsewhere, you've already had what they serve at Short Order, and chances are it cost you at least a third less. You could easily create your own for half the cost, and probably make it taste better, using high quality ingredients at home.

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  1. Morton's burger is also ~$13, many FancyBurgers are also $15+, why is the price so alarming?

    I'd rather pay $13for a great hamburger vs $9 for w/e they're serving up at J. Rocket's

    re: counter

    Counter Burger 10.95
    1/3 lb Beef, Provolone, Crispy Onion Strings, Lettuce
    Blend, Sautéed Mushrooms & Tomato, Sun-Dried
    Tomato Vinaigrette

    $13 vs $11...

    15 Replies
    1. re: ns1

      The prices are so alarming because...

      1) Unlike Morton's and many others, the price does not include fries, so adjust accordingly
      2) Unlike Morton's and many others, Short Order (with the exception of the upstairs dining area) is not a full-service, sit-down, indoor restaurant...it's a shack in the corner of a busy parking lot
      3) My one visit, 2 weeks into service, yielded a critically undercooked burger, which is unfortunately in keeping with many other reports online

      I would have no real problem with the high prices if they were really knocking it out of the park (or the parking lot) but they clearly are not. Shake Shake in NY is a huge success with a somewhat similar concept, but their prices are less than half of Short Order's. Yes, Short Order is attempting to offer a higher premium product, but the setting does not merit more than double the price.

      That said, I think Short Order will ultimately be a success, but it's going to be a rocky road. The trajectory could have been much higher and much smoother had they not overshot on price point by so much.

      1. re: wutzizname

        have to say, between your comment that the burger was critically undercooked, and the OPs comment that it was very juicy with an 'exceptionally clean grass-fed taste', that burger sounds like something I'd like to try soon. (on a day I am feeling flush).

        1. re: susancinsf

          To expound (from my review posted yelsewhere)...

          "Two weeks in and I'm sorry to report that my first visit yesterday placed me among all the folks whose experience included a poorly cooked burger. Ordered medium-rare, received very rare (on the edges) and raw (the majority).

          Unfortunately I had ordered the burger to-go, so I wasn't going to head all the way back to complain and return it. Instead all I could do was eat the perimeter and throw the rest away. To be clear, I love medium rare, I never order medium, and if I had to choose I'd prefer a burger to come out slightly under cooked vs. over. But this was not slightly under, it was primarily raw, which made it completely unappealing and inedible.

          That said, my sense was that if the meat had been cooked properly, it would have been a very decent burger...liked the bun, liked the toppings. And I thought the "spuds" where pretty exceptional. I didn't really care for the sour cream dipping sauce all that much. I liked the idea of it, but flavor just wasn't really working for me.

          I live nearby and burgers are like a religion for me, so I will certainly give them several more tries. But all other opening-kinks aside...when you're a burger concept, and a (overly) pricey one at that, the one thing you should be able to do two weeks into service is nail the temperature of your burgers. Or at least come within a few degrees. But raw?"

          1. re: wutzizname

            Kudos for giving them another try or two - but really, a chef with that stature making burgers should be able to get it right. Making a burger - a good one - isn't all that difficult. I can't think of anything easier.

            Was the patty nicely browned at least?

      2. re: ns1

        Morton's is a high end restaurant. Short Order is relying on selling take out for eating in Farmers Market. Itis just irrationally more expensive than anything else at the Market. There are nicer ways to eat a high end burger, and cheaper ways to experience Farmers Market--so what is the sell? Yes they have table service outside (as noted, in the parking lot) but that can't be enough to keep them going. I would liek tos ee them succeed--but I think they will need to bring the take-out prices more in line with the competition.

        1. re: coffeebrownies

          >> Itis just irrationally more expensive than anything else at the Market

          That's not really true. I'd say Moishe's dark meat chicken kebab with a side of tabbouleh and baba ghanoush for $14 is right up there with unreasonably high prices. That's an $8 plate. Yet I find myself craving Moishe's at least once a month. Every time I say "this is the last time" and then I taste it.

          By the way, if you go for lunch, tell the grumpy counter ladies that you work for CBS. There's a discount. I answered honestly and sadly lost the discount forever :)

          Mr Taster

          1. re: Mr Taster

            It is worth its own chain. Why are the ladies at Moishe's so grumpy?

            1. re: coffeebrownies

              those ladies are totally not nice! my co-worker REFUSES to ever eat there because one lady was so rude to him he got into a fight with her. so funny. he loves the food too.

          2. re: coffeebrownies

            More expensive dishes at the Farmer's Market include those at Mr Marcel, one of my FM favorites. They actually have a more expensive version of the Silverton burger at $14.95 although it includes MM's skinny frites which I like. Quoting their menu:

            ---

            http://www.mrmarcel.com/articleimages...

            french burger $14.99

            nancy silverton’s famous hamburger blend from Farmers Market Huntington Meat, sautéed mushrooms, caramelized onions, lettuce and tomatoes served with french fries and condiments

            Your choice of cheese : roquefort, brie, gruyère de comté or st loup goat cheese

            ---

            The most expensive item that serves one on Mr Marcel's menu is Filet Mignon with the frites at $25.99.

            1. re: SilverlakeGirl

              i think the fish place is pretty expensive too. a coworker was totally bummed when his fish and chips plus lemonade came out to $17. the brazillian place can totally be pricey depending on how much meat you load up on your plate. i've had friends be shocked at their total at the register.

              1. re: Clyde

                Magee's isn't exactly offering free food, either, though I will pay the freight if I am truly hungry for a corned-beef sandwich. Honestly, the only real food bargains I've gotten at the FM were the meat-and-rice bowls at the Korean place at the west end.

                1. re: Will Owen

                  Hand rolls at the sushi stall. Cinnamon rolls at Bob's. Slab o' grease at Dino's. Eggs at Phils.

                  1. re: coffeebrownies

                    The cinnamon buns at Bob's are truly a bargain at $1.25 for a massive one.

                    Mr Taster

                    1. re: Mr Taster

                      Yes, Bob's is awesome and probably the most quality stall in the farmers market, in my opinion. to be honest i think most of the vendors have gone down hill in recent years. especially the gumbo pot! it's just terrible now. i'll get my gluten free pastas there and my donuts and maybe loteria once in a while, but my desire to dine there is not what it used to be. i was actually there today and opted to get my lunch from whole foods instead. there was a massive crowd outside short order. i wonder when the hype will fade.

          3. re: ns1

            Wutiztname and others on the thread have provided good explanations.

            I will add that there is some price point which crosses the "I'm splurging a bit," to, "I'm spending too much." If the fries were thrown in for the $13.00 I could have lived with it. If the burger was a "wow!" experience, I could have lived with it. But I didn't even get anything to drink and my bill was $16.00 before tax and tip.

            That's steep when it's just a burger and fries. No matter how high quality the ingredients are (and I will also agree with a responder that my medium rare was a bit more rare than I preferred, but fine), it's just a burger and fries. The burger was of medium size.

            Also, keep in mind that we live in the Golden Era of the Burger. There are a number of restaurants nearby the Farmer's Market which are putting out high end burgers at least as good as Short Order, with more manageable price. Ultimately, the only thing about Short Order that is unforgettable IS the price.

          4. I am still waiting before I check it out but ...

            I rarely hear people complain about Golden States prices just up the street on Fairfax. Golden State is $11.00 for the burger, $3.00 for sides. Short Order are from $11.00 to $13.00 with $4.00 sides.

            For myself, given the reviews, I think I will want to maximize my experience and eat on site [not to-go] and eat upstairs partaking of the bar offerings, extended menu, enhanced service and improved ambiance which I think will even it out.

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            1. re: SilverlakeGirl

              GS includes fries (or choice of another side) for the $11.00.

              1. re: wutzizname

                Golden State used to charge $8 or $9 for the same burger. I miss those halcyon days.

                Mr Taster

              2. re: SilverlakeGirl

                You might want to check those prices again.

                GS burger includes one side of choice for $11.

                1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                  The sides at Golden State are great, too. Good lemony cucumber salad, bright jalepeno slaw, excellent sweet potato fries, or some good regular fries.

                2. It would appear that Silverton, between selling overpriced burgers and jacking prices at Mozza (as well as opening clones around the globe), is trying to recoup her Madoff fiasco quickly! And it seems to be working, judging by the crowds at her restaurants.

                  If people want to bail her out of her foolish investment decisions, then be my guest :)

                  PS. I really like Mozza's food, but the prices, which weren't low when it opened, seemed to have increased at an alarming rate...

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                  1. re: manku

                    Well, why not price at what the market can bear? Mozza is a destination restaurant, and they don't want for patrons. It will be interesting to see if the business model works for Short Order. Farmers Market relies on locals and tourists. For destination dining, the parking, the throngs, the touristy-ness of it would seem to be offputting. So, the questions are, will people who like eating at Farmers Market (and I am one) put up with destination dining prices, and will tourists be in-the-know enough to choose a Short Order burger instead of a Charley's Burger or a Phil's Burger?

                    1. re: coffeebrownies

                      Can any of the naysayers spell or define "schadenfreude."?

                      1. re: maudies5

                        Well, I am not in the restaurant business, and I wish Nancy Silverton no harm. In fact, my desire is that Short Order is a raving success at Farmers Market--where I have eaten at least one meal weekly for 19 years. But, personally, I would like her food to be affordable, so I can put it into my rotation--$50 dinner for 2 (food only) at Farmers Market is not my style. The worst thing that could happen is that she fails and her restaurant is replaced with another Johnny Rockets..or other chain that will counter the unique charm of Farmers Market. So, not at all schadenfreude, rather the opposite.

                        1. re: coffeebrownies

                          So well put. I too am a regular a FM, having lived just a stone's throw away at Park La Brea apartments for 15 years. I want Short Order to thrive.

                        2. re: maudies5

                          I don't wish Short Order anything but ragingly good business. But I just don't see it happening given the local high end burger restaurant market.

                    2. based on the price alone and the reviews i've read elsewhere i will not be rushing to this place. i am not a meat eater but i'll cheat with a burger once in a while. so i save my cheats for worthy places and have been very intrigued to try this place since i go to the FM regularly and dine in the area often for lunch -- but when i think about it rationally-- for what it would cost for lunch there - looks like about $16 not sure if that even includes tax or tip- i can with tax & tip, eat a huge korean meal at Genwa, various sushi lunch specials. when sushi costs the same or in this case maybe even less as a burger, that just doesn't sound right to me.

                      1. I just thank my lucky stars that I exist in an era where a cheeseburger is even possible: http://kottke.org/11/12/i-cheeseburger ;-)

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                        1. re: ChinoWayne

                          Words of wisdom, Wayne. What's the old saying, "I cried for not having a properly priced high end burger, until I met a man with no burger at all."

                        2. I also had the Backyard Burger and have to disagree with your assessment. I thought it was worth the $13 even without any included sides--I paid extra and ordered the spuds, which were excellent. There are also two other burgers for $11 and $12, as well as a killer-sounding patty melt for $14, which I look forward to trying next...though the lamb and pork also sounded good.

                          A third less for a burger of equal quality seems unlikely at other restaurants in that area. The Counter (where a bacon burger starts at $9.95 without sides) and Johnny Rocket's (bacon cheddar is about $8 without sides) might be geographic competitors but neither (certainly not Johnny Rocket's) is the burger-world niche for comparison. Umami, the late 8 oz, Golden State and 25 Degrees would be among the places that are closest to it. Of those, with the exception of Golden State, where $11 gets you a regular burger (my recollection is the lamb is more) and one side, the prices are all in line with (in some cases more than) those at Short Order for a burger without fries. Sure you can get a cheaper burger down the street, if cost or just perceived value is an issue for you, but you will not get a burger prepared with the same level of quality--just as you can get an even cheaper burger than those at the Counter or Johnny Rocket's at the neighborhood McDonald's. If your point is that you do not associate Short Order's prices with the vibe of the Farmer's Market, at least they are still below those you would be charged at its evil step-sister, the Grove.

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                          1. re: New Trial

                            The Farmers Market issue is a sticking point to me. This doesn't apply about eating in the table seating area of Short Order, but the take out stand. Experientially, eating a burger at one of the rickety tables in Farmers Market is a Farmers Market experience--and the food is not competitively priced for that experience. All those other restaurants you mention (including even Mickey D's) provide their own eating experience--they are unique destinations for eating one unique kind of meal.

                            1. re: New Trial

                              25 Degrees is $12 for a loaded bacon (double) cheese burger with 1 size. The side happens to be a fantastic onion ring.

                              66% of your data -- let us not use closed restaurants -- is cheaper than SO, which makes the "perceived" price inequality more of a reality than perception.

                              I also haven't read 1 single raving review where SO is placed squarely above both GS and 25D in terms of taste. Madoff or not, I hope SO (whose very own name implies quick, simple & affordable food) isn't reserved solely for tourists.

                              1. re: TonyC

                                Do you seriously consider a single onion ring to be a side order? A real side order of onion rings there will run you $4, as would a side of fries ($1 more than the side of regular fries at Short Order--thus, you can spend the extra dollar on the Backyard Burger and still come out at the same price point for a bacon cheeseburger and fries at both places). Umami, for sake of comparison, comes in at $14.50 for a Manly Burger and an order of skinny fries, so a $1.50 cheaper than both. Other competing burger places (my list was hardly intended to be exhaustive of the field) do come in higher but most fall within a dollar or two. Personally, I prefer the Backyard Burger at Short Order to the Number 1 at 25 Degrees or to the burger at Golden State but you are certainly free to prefer 25 Degree's taste.

                                Whether you have seen them or not, there are in fact rave reviews of Short Order out there to be read, e.g. kevineats, among others, seemed to consider the Short Order burger to be among the best in the City (I am excluding Jonathan Gold's view since he admittedly has a friendship with Nancy Silverton).

                                1. re: New Trial

                                  Now you're joshing. Grammatical error aside, I'd think it's obvious 25D's side of onion ring contains plural amount of onion ring(s). You've been there, no exposition should be necessary.

                                  RE: Umami, won't dignify a serious burger discussion with the U word. Again, based on the data points represented, at least on SO threads on CHOW, SO is up to 33% costlier for a burger/fries meal when compared to "among the best in the City". If you throw in Lazy Ox and Petrossian into the survey pool, of course SO would appear on par. Alas, those 2 aren't calling themselves "Short Order".

                                  Haven't made a judgement on SO vs. anything besides it's pricing, but have (just like wutzizname below) concluded the reviews, including the raves, are mixed. Some even have glaring caveats.

                                  $2 for fried potato dipping sauce. Really?

                                  1. re: New Trial

                                    I actually haven't seen too many rave reviews for Short Order as well. It seems to teeter on the edge of whether people think it's worth the price or not (which is repeated a few times in this thread). I haven't been, and I don't think this will be a destination place for me. If I happen to get dragged to the Grove one of these days, I might give it a shot. Also, I can never trust kevineats reviews... the one for Short Order was at a special event. I'd more quickly trust reviewers who had been there on a regular day.

                                2. re: New Trial

                                  That the high end burger concept is nothing new anymore is a big disadvantage for Short Order. What might have wowed me years ago is just "nice." I could go to any number of restaurants in the area, as you mentioned, and in my opinion have just as good a burger, if not better, at a lower price. Oh, and a bigger one, too.

                                  There is simply too much parity at this level to justify for me the additional price at S.O. It's like wine: once you get into the Really Good wine category, it gets pretty hard to discern meaningful differences and justify the higher cost. At this level, from a consumer's point of view, the higher prices just seem arbitrary.

                                3. Higher price doesn't always mean higher profit/revenue. Volume is the other key factor. Despite the fact that SO seems to be having some trouble keeping up with the moderately strong opening week(s) traffic, they will presumably work those "kinks" out and land on their service feet. However, with the massive pre-opening buzz this place received, I would have expected long literal lines to be forming by now. They're not. And they're not because internet and word of mouth has spread news of overly high prices, service snafus, kitchen trouble, and mixed (but mostly lukewarm) reviews of the food. Price point is a strategic decision, and SO set theirs too high. Had they split the difference between Shake Shake and themselves, I believe they'd be seeing much higher volume, volume that would have carried them smoothly from the amazing pre-opening buzz, straight into position as "the" go-to place for L.A.'s best burgers. They were poised to be an instant institution. Instead, it looks like they'll hum along nicely as an also-ran. But lower prices + higher, line-around-the-block volume could have made them a more profitable, Shake Shack style success.

                                  1. it just would have been more awesome if they'd opened up an in and out in that space. i think everyone who is complaining about SO (with valid points, the fact that there is $2 dipping sauce makes my head spin!) wouldn't have minded an in and out in that spot. personally, i would have been overjoyed!

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                                    1. re: Clyde

                                      > wouldn't have minded an in and out in that spot. personally

                                      Even better if one replaced the god-awful Johnny Rockets at the NW corner.

                                      1. re: Clyde

                                        I agree, Clyde!

                                        1. re: Clyde

                                          Actually, I, for one, would much prefer a Short Order concept there to In-N-Out. I just wish they'd gotten it more right.

                                          I live very close and had been eagerly awaiting the opening...I only wish the food wowed me more, and that the prices made it easier for me to pick it over other options. Get those two elements right, and I would have been there 2-3 times a week...at least until I'd made my way through the whole menu a couple of times and settled into a more moderate, ongoing frequency.

                                          But having missed the mark on both of those fronts (price and quality) I'm probably apt to try it a couple more times over the next few months, but I'm in no great rush, and more importantly, I'm not spreading the word far and wide that this is a must try...rather I'm telling people it's a little overpriced and a little underwhelming, and that's not the word-of-mouth message a new entry wants. I realize I'm just one customer, but I was one that was ripe for the picking, and it sounds like my opinion is pretty representative of a good part of the whole.

                                        2. I saw that their grilled cheese was $9 and promptly walked away. sad.

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                                          1. re: charmo

                                            once again, isn't this market price?

                                            sweet salt - $8
                                            olive & thyme - $9.50
                                            oaks gourmet market - $9.55

                                            //edit

                                            I see that that's a grilled cheese for $9 WITHOUT tomatoes. LOL At least it's comte?

                                            1. re: ns1

                                              My $0.02 - I went the other day to try it out. Probably ordered too much for one - Burger, Spuds, Dipping Sauce, no drink - bill came out to $20, I was shocked. Was it my fault for not paying attention to the price? Yes. Was the meal good and probably worth that or within market value given quality/location/etc? Yes. Will I think twice before going to get a $20 meal there in the future? Yes as well.

                                              Its the problem with upscaling any downscale food. I'd never compare a Cut steak to a Sizzler one but you better make a damn good $3 taco if I'm going to pick it over the ones the truck on my corner makes for $1, I'm perfectly happy with those.

                                              1. re: Discokill

                                                Very well put. You had better stand out from the crowd if your prices are going to. Short Order does not.

                                                1. re: Discokill

                                                  Tried it for lunch yesterday.

                                                  The spuds were really good. Visibly torn-- it looks like they must have boiled or nuked whole potatoes to soften them, and then ripped them apart into pieces before frying. The result is irregular chunks of baked potato, crispy on the edges and soft and tender in the middle. Each nugget had a different ratio of crisp to tender. Great stuff. I did not pay the ridiculous $2 for "dipping sauce" (which is basically baked potato style sour cream, bacon, fixins). The spuds come with ketchup for free and it's kind of sad that this needs to be clarified.

                                                  Also got the backyard burger. It was good. First impression- smoky, rich, great contrast of the iceberg with the soft savory fattiness of the burger. But somehow it became less enjoyable the more I ate it. The bun sogged out towards the end and because overly drippy. But overall it was a good burger. But was it worth $13? Not really. It's worth $8. At $4 the spuds seemed priced about right.

                                                  I also opted for take out, in order to save on an already exorbitantly priced lunch. Total bill came to about $18.50. I'm sure I'll go back for the spuds, but the burger will be an occasional treat (which is really what it should be anyway).

                                                  Mr Taster

                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                    "Sogged Out". I'm going to use that elsewhere. Just letting you know first.

                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                      Tried it again for lunch today.

                                                      Got Ida's classic burger. Patty was well cooked, but disintegrated into a soggy mess about halfway through. The flavor of everything didn't quite work as well as the backyard burger.

                                                      Also, ordered the spuds again. They fell short. Potato pieces this time were too chunky, many were close to raw in the middle, as another person mentioned. My first batch of spuds on Dec 7 were cooked perfectly, so this was a real disappointment.

                                                      Also ordered the vanilla shake. Nice vanilla flavor, but the texture was actually somehow a little gritty.

                                                      Overall this was quite a disappointing meal. For $22+ for burger, fries and a shake, I don't know if I'll want to go back any time soon (and I walk through Farmers Market every day to and from work).

                                                      Mr Taster

                                              2. For those prices, I would much rather get a burger at Houstons in a nicer atmosphere with real table service

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                                                1. re: Ernie

                                                  They do have real table service (if you choose to sit at their tables, rather than the farmers market tables 50 feet away). For those prices though, I'd rather save on the tip and bus my own table.

                                                  Mr Taster

                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                    Is the service at Short Order as good as Houstons?

                                                    1. re: Ernie

                                                      No. Not at all. The upstairs is a small, crowded space, mostly outdoors. There were lots of bartenders when we went but our waitress was basically MIA and we ordered before the party next to us and got our food well after they did. We had burgers, fries (both kinds), sauce (a total rip off) and my vegetarian teenager got the tofu offering and was NOT impressed. our old school fries came out lukewarm at best. That's a service issue. Skip the table service unless you want cocktails. Skip this place all together unless you're incredibly curious. We left feeling ripped off. We'll go to umami , apple pan, the counter and in n out for our fixes.

                                                2. Well, after picking through the thickets of naysayers and okaysayers and what everyone loves or hates, I think I'm gonna like this okay. First, we always go to the FM with a crowd of at least three, usually more, and find a table across from the Gumbo Pot and stay there for hours, so takeout is what we want anyway. Second, a simple cheeseburger adorned with only pickle, lettuce and tomato (and maybe onion) is what I want, and I always expect to pay at least $10 for a decent one, and extra for fries. Two bucks for the dipping sauce is silly, but then so is 50¢ for Oinkster's aioli, and it's a lot simpler to make; I'll just have salt and pepper, as I usually do.

                                                  I have hardly ever escaped the FM without spending at least $25 on food and drink, so this does not represent any radical change. My benchmark patty melt, at Pann's, runs about the same price as Nancy's, and I expect hers will have better meat, though probably not quite so much of it!

                                                  1. IMHO there is no such thing as an expensive good meal, only an expensive bad one! Value is a relative thing. I don't find it shocking that a higher end burger is $13 or a steakhosue steak is $40. I will give it a try for sure since I no longer patronize Unami.

                                                    1. Off my map. Too close to the price at Rustic Canyon ($18) for a burger and fries. Short Order's burger, while good, is not in the same league, and it can't compete with the service and surroundings. The problem here is that this burger is a competitor in the Golden State class, which I can have for $11, with fries, and is delicious. This concept does not make sense at this price point.

                                                      BTW, I do enjoy Silverton's stuff in general and go to Pizz Mozz when I can, but this formula feels like it needs tweaking in the perceived value arena.

                                                      1. Went last weekend, shared a Nancy's Backyard and Ida's Old School between two people, both medium rare. Sorry, I love Nancy, I've even been buying her burger blend at Huntington Meats in the FM for years now, and I don't really care about the price that much (I'd pay $13 again if it were as good as I was hoping), but I don't plan on coming back for either burger. Sure, I could tell that the ingredients were top quality, but there was just a lack of savory intense flavor that I expect from a gourmet burger. Maybe it's the grass-fed beef, or maybe it's the way it's being ground (it breaks apart in a weird way), but somehow it was just lacking. I can think of at least a dozen burgers I'd rather have over these, especially Golden State just a few blocks away. Not to mention that the Ida's had waay too much special sauce and ended up being a goopy mess, but not in a good way.

                                                        Not a fan of the fried spuds, but the french fries were fantastic.

                                                        The vanilla custard shake was superb, but hardly worth $6. (To be fair, a milkshake at Bennet's is also $6, but there I can get far more interesting flavors.)

                                                        Curious to hear about the turkey and lamb burgers, I *might* go back one more time if I hear good things about either of those.

                                                        1. Was going to try Short Order tonight but holiday traffic around the Grove was just too much for me, so we drove a few more blocks to Golden State instead to try it for the first time. That was one really great burger. $10.95 loaded with bacon and cheese with one side. I loved it. I think this might be the best burger in LA at the moment. Good eating and Happy Holidays to all!

                                                          -----
                                                          The Golden State
                                                          426 N. Fairfax Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                          Short Order
                                                          6333 W 3rd St, Los Angeles, CA 90036

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                                                          1. re: wienermobile

                                                            The lamb burger at GS on Thursdays is even better. :-)

                                                            1. re: PommeDeGuerre

                                                              Thanks, sounds great.

                                                          2. I would be okay with paying for a $13 burger if they didn't char the f word out of it. It was bitter is a really bad way.

                                                            1. After reading the comments on Short Order. I decided to go and see for myself. The pedigree in ownership is very impressive. My daughter and I both ordered the Short Order Burger, medium well and it came out a perfect medium (thanks to the earlier comments about under cooking) We split Old School Fries.We ate upstairs and the wait staff was very attentive.Conclusion: a great hamburger, much bigger than I thought it would be, my daughter could not finish all of it. The bun was great also. The fries were very good. Very impressed. We will be back.

                                                              1. So if I understand correctly, Short Order has a policy of only cooking their burgers one of two ways, Medium Rare or Medium Well, but they're also quick to admit (brag even) that they under cook their burgers, which seems to mean that their Medium Rare is really Rare and their Medium Well is really Medium, which means you cannot get a burger that is actually cooked Medium Rare (AKA properly) at this establishment.

                                                                Genius. Pure genius.

                                                                This might also be a great place to try a Lukewarm Toddy or a Melted Milkshake.

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                                                                1. re: wutzizname

                                                                  The two times I have eaten there my mid rare has been spot on.

                                                                  1. re: AAQjr

                                                                    mine, too....

                                                                2. SO is on DineLA:
                                                                  http://discoverlosangeles.com/restaur...
                                                                  Simple math shows that you're basically getting a $5 GC to Short Cake/Single Origin for free.

                                                                  Considering how nice the pastries were, I'd say this borders on a "nice deal", and is probably the only time the food here will get discounted. Who's going back?

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                                                                  1. re: TonyC

                                                                    $26 per person for Dine LA week at a slightly upscale casual fast food joint is laughable. I don't care if Keller was cooking.

                                                                    1. re: PommeDeGuerre

                                                                      "Lunch" $16. And it was a great deal.

                                                                      That $26 dinner was for suckas.

                                                                  2. Short Order is a little disappointing. Beef doesn't have a sort of flavor dynamic you'd find elsewhere. It's kind of salty/peppery/bland. The venue is pretty cool though.

                                                                    1. Update: as of today, Nancy's Backyard Burger is now $14.00, not $13.00. Sorry, glad I went once, but won't be back.