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Buying a gift card for MOM (today!) ... Route 6 or Oyster House... or where else for a great fish dinner?

frameworks Dec 1, 2011 01:49 PM

The subject line kind of says it all.... emphasis on Fish, not seafood as much, although that is fine too. I hear Route 6 is part of a cahin - does it feel that way? She would prefer a little quirkier, smaller, more independnent. Center city only please. Thanks from a Torontonian looking to be good to moms.

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    barryg Dec 2, 2011 09:55 AM

    Maybe too late, but if she likes quirky independent places, Little Fish is a tiny BYOB that has a lot of character and great food. It's not technically in Center City, but only a couple blocks out.

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    1. re: barryg
      cwdonald Dec 2, 2011 01:27 PM

      Technically north broad where route six isn't C.C either. I am glad there is a large lot within two blocks of the restaurant too.

      What is happening with Little Fish? Was it sold? I heard the owner is keeping the current Fish space after he moves to his new digs.

      1. re: cwdonald
        barryg Dec 2, 2011 01:53 PM

        Yea Stollenwerk is out, he sold it to the chef de cuisine there. He's keeping the Fish space after the move and plans to open a more casual neighborhood spot not focused on seafood. Who knows how long that will take to open though. He also sold his bar Fathom in Fishtown which is being reconceptualized without the seafood theme.

        Also saw today he scored Monica Glass (10 Arts pastry chef) for Fish.

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          sylviag Dec 3, 2011 07:38 AM

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            barryg Dec 3, 2011 07:44 AM

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              Hungryin theBurbs Dec 3, 2011 08:04 AM

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        2. re: cwdonald
          caganer Dec 3, 2011 08:35 AM

          Not to quibble with cwdonald, because I agree in spirit, but Route 6 is actually with in the official boundary of the Center City District. There's a little appendage to the district running north up Broad to Faimount and west to 15th, east to 13th (sort of, the northeast corner is cut off as if they were trying to stay away from Ridge).

          1. re: caganer
            barryg Dec 3, 2011 08:59 AM

            Ha I looked at the map, that's pretty funny.

            The boundaries of these sorts of things usually depend on what businesses are willing to pay the fees (Chinatown is notoriously opposed, note that most of it also cut out, including a delicate little notch for the Friendship Arch). The area around Ridge east of Broad you noted is now mostly covered by the Callowhill Reading Viaduct NID.

            If you want to take it even farther, CCD considers everything between Girard and Tasker "Greater Center City" when reporting population and other statistics.

            1. re: barryg
              Philly Ray Dec 3, 2011 09:34 AM

              Until there is a crime committed. Then, it's back to South Philly and North Philly.

            2. re: caganer
              cwdonald Dec 3, 2011 10:06 AM

              Thanks for the info. What is the border there? It would be funny if Route 6 were in Cc and Osteria were not. Both are north of spring Garden. I couldn't tell from the map what the cross street dividing line was in the CC pimple that goes North on Broad.

              1. re: cwdonald
                barryg Dec 3, 2011 10:43 AM

                Osteria doesn't fall in the boundaries, the northernmost street there is Spring Garden.

                Also important to remind folks, these aren't the boundaries of Center City, it's the boundaries if the Center City District. CCD itself actually defines CC "Core" as Vine to Pine Street -- the southern boundary is based on ZIP codes, I guess for statistical purposes. The popular definition is, I think, Vine to South Sts, river to river--the original boundaries of the city before the 1854 Act of Consolidation. Then again I've heard people say that Old City isn't part of Center City!

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                  cwdonald Dec 3, 2011 12:04 PM

                  Well if the northernmost street is spring garden, Route 6 is north of that by two blocks. Not that it would stop a flash mob.....

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          cwdonald Dec 1, 2011 02:00 PM

          Route 6 is not a chain but rather part of the Stephen Starr empire. It felt cavernous in the back, and I think it can be quite loud. Oyster house also has a very modern feel to it.

          Personally I would recommend the restaurant Fish, which is independently owned. Another option is Estia which is Greek and brings some great fish in from Greece. There are also some great Italian byos that such as Branzino that would be a good option. I am sure others will weigh in.

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          1. re: cwdonald
            frameworks Dec 1, 2011 02:10 PM

            Thanks for this.... re. "chain", maybe empire is a better word.

            1. re: frameworks
              sylviag Dec 1, 2011 03:14 PM

              She has already been to Fish - had a gift card. Estia is possible, though very pricey. Fish there is by the pound, and very expensive. They have a prix-fixe, but it's limited.
              The Oyster House is always good - casual, no reservations, excellent food.
              Route 6 is the "hot" one - very beautiful, kind of an experience.

              1. re: sylviag
                frameworks Dec 2, 2011 06:03 AM

                Thanks so much, Sylviag!! ♥

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