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NYE - Gotham Bar and Grill?

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ggjj27 Nov 30, 2011 10:11 PM

We're coming in to NYC from Chicago for a few days before and after NYE. I don't really want to spend the $4-700/person at places like Per Se, Daniel, etc. We'll try to get there another night. Oy, is it hard to see those prices when Next is a right around the corner and a quarter of the price. Anyway, I've been searching for some alternatives and got a rec for Gotham. It's booked...and I'm looking for similar type places. Great food, pricey but not silly expensive, fun (and/or very unique) atmosphere. Early 30's...no restrictions dietary, preference, or otherwise (2-300/person is feasible)...have zero interest in being around Times Square or standing in or anywhere near a bar. We'd like to get dressed up, eat some great food late, drink way to much booze, and cab it back to the hotel after a toast at the table. Any thoughts?

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    Pookipichu RE: ggjj27 Dec 1, 2011 09:53 AM

    Recently (last month) ate at GBG and was disappointed with both the service and food. There were multiple minor issues. We didn't order alcohol and the waiter seemed put out, which is not the best way to set the tone for a meal (sorry not everyone drinks alcohol). Ordered the yellowtail tartare and it was gristly, presentation is getting sloppy, the way they wiped the plates leaving saucy smudges. Foie gras was presented beautifully but it was veiny, a poor cut, and the sauce on the side had gelatinized which was unacceptable. The masala chicken was underseasoned and the black cod was a highlight of the meal. Apple strudel was crisp and well done. Souffle was excellent and perhaps the best part of the meal. All in all, not terrible but not great. Not worth $200+ by any stretch. GBG used to be one of my favorite restaurants. In the past few years, I keep giving it chances but it always disappoints. It's long in the tooth and stumbling along.

    Regarding alcohol, can't say GBG is the only place I've gotten attitude (ahem EMP). I wish waiters would remember that hospitality is about making the diners feel comfortable, not guilty about what they do or do not order.

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    Gotham Bar and Grill
    12 East 12th Street, New York, NY 10003

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      uwsister RE: Pookipichu Dec 1, 2011 12:11 PM

      You know, I've never been impressed with Gotham Bar & Grill - I know I'm in the minority, since most 'hounds seem to love it. I've been twice and I can't recall a single dish that stuck out in my mind. I don't have any substitute for OP though.

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        ellenost RE: uwsister Dec 1, 2011 02:32 PM

        I've not been impressed either with Gotham Bar & Grill. A few years ago (for my birthday), I had dinner there and received major attitude from the hostess--arrived on time and she tried to seat me at a table in the bar area). Food was fine, but not worth the attitude problem. I also remember the 2-tops being too close together.

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        Gotham Bar and Grill
        12 East 12th Street, New York, NY 10003

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          lexismore RE: ellenost Dec 1, 2011 03:03 PM

          I've never been for dinner, but I've had their lunch prix-fixe several times and it's always great, especially for the price ($25 for app/entree, another $7 for dessert).

          On one occasion, my friend was wearing a t-shirt and jeans and the service was still excellent/not snobby.

          Maybe they save the stuffiness for dinner.

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          Gotham Bar and Grill
          12 East 12th Street, New York, NY 10003

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          foodwhisperer RE: uwsister Dec 1, 2011 07:32 PM

          Gotham used to be really good, ummm 20 years ago! it's run down, needs a renovation and the food needs a little renovation too. They once had great venison. Bouley might be a good choice, for a nice place to eat, dress up and drink.

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        bobbyh RE: ggjj27 Dec 1, 2011 03:39 PM

        You might check out Tocqueville, Union Square Cafe, Veritas, Craft and Gramercy Tavern. All away from Times Sq but convenient. None have "crazy" pricing for that date. USC and GT open resv Saturday. I'm sure others can offer more ideas.......Good luck!

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        Gramercy Tavern
        42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

        Tocqueville
        1 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

        Veritas
        43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

        Union Square Cafe
        21 East 16th St., New York, NY 10003

        Craft
        43 E. 19th St., New York, NY 10003

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          Mike C. Miller RE: bobbyh Dec 2, 2011 02:12 AM

          I have recently eaten at USC, Veritas and Gramercy Tavern. All excellent choices. Gramercy would get my nod as the best overall experience of the group. It's food is more simple than Veritas, but it is well executed. Excellent service, but not at all fussy. Better wine list than you might think, although pricing isn't ideal.

          Veritas has an encyclopedic wine list, but it is rather pricey in this sense -- most of the bottles are top wines from top producers in top vintages. The prices are reasonable for those bottles, but for those not used to the best of the best, it can be a bit of a shock. But there are plenty of bargains and all price ranges, especially if you ask for assistance from one of their knowledgeable sommeliers. Food is good, but a tad bit contrived and fussier than I care for (although that's very much a question of taste and preference). But still quite good.

          Another restaurant that I was very favorably impressed with as Al Fiori. Very, very nice, although a bit more formal than the three I previously mentioned. (as well as the other two bobbyh mentioned). Not a loud, let's have a few drinks sort of place at all. But likewise, it is not stuffy, either . The food was just extraordinarily well prepared. Nothing so rare as to knock your socks off, but flawless execution. And a lovely wine list, although I thought that the markups were a tad on the high side, but not outrageous. Very nice, easygoing service, too.

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          Gramercy Tavern
          42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

          Veritas
          43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

          Union Square Cafe
          21 East 16th St., New York, NY 10003

          Ai Fiori
          400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

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            ggjj27 RE: Mike C. Miller Dec 2, 2011 06:55 AM

            Thanks for all the recommendations (and to everyone for their input). We actually ended up scoring a reservation at Babbo for NYE...we've been there before and enjoyed the pairings especially so it should turn out to be the nice, low-key ish type of evening that we shoot for every year. I hope. I am going to try for some reservations at some of the other places mentioned though on the other handful of nights we'll be there. Wheeee...:D

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          malabargold RE: ggjj27 Dec 1, 2011 04:00 PM

          Haven't been to GBG in years. I found the food never better than C and the atmosphere worse. Heck, hackneyed though it may be, for a fun loud time with varied drinks, I'd still much prefer the simplicity Balthazar

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          Balthazar
          80 Spring St, New York, NY 10012

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