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CONFIRMED - Regular Le Creuset line going away in February!

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blondelle Nov 26, 2011 10:13 AM

A cookware rep in a major department store told me that all the LC in the store will be replaced by the Signature line in February. Old line will be discounted although they weren't sure by how much. This means that our hefty investment in LC will now be worth less. Not terrible pleased about that.

Has anyone tested the Signature line compared to the regular line? Does it scuff, scratch or stain less as they claim? I've read that the new Aubergine color scratches easily. I really don't understand the reason for LC doing this. It's not as if they have to keep up with much, if any, competition. Someone should remind them of Coke Classic.

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  1. Chemicalkinetics RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 10:23 AM

    But the Signature line has better scratch/chip resistance.

    "our hefty investment in LC will now be worth less"

    Unless you mean to buy them to resell, then it shouldn't matter. That is how I view buying computer, TV, cookware. Who care if these products depreciate, as long as I actually use them, and I will use them unless they die on me. Since I will never resell them, price depreciation does not matter. Moreover, the price of these products can "rise" due to their limited numbers.

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      ProfessorBear RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 26, 2011 07:53 PM

      Agreed wholly. This worth less idea is so subjective as to be a non-issue.

      I reaches sixty pieces yesterday. One of those - the 5.5 quart round in Rosemary from W-S - is "Signature". The other fifty-nine pieces are no less important, not of inferior quality, and not cosmetically imperfect in any way besides wear I've inflicted upon them.

      Unless you're planning on selling your pieces, you've nothing to worry about.

      The larger handles are more comfortable on the Signature collection. There's no denying that. And if, as they say, the enamel is thicker, well, bully for it. I baby my Creuset and it's doing right by me. That's the end of story. When I die (I'm 29 and hope that's not coming for a while...) either they get passed on, sold, or donated. You know who's not gonna care about their monetary value? Me.

      The pots, pans, skillets, and whatever else will have done their job for me. End of story.

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        Chemicalkinetics RE: ProfessorBear Nov 26, 2011 08:39 PM

        :D Sixty piece at age 29. Wow.

        Agree. As long as you enjoy them, then they are worthy. One of the best video games I have ever bought is Street Fighter IV. I bought it at $60. Now, its market value ~$15.

        http://www.amazon.com/Super-Street-Fi...

        I don't care because I enjoy it. It is valuable to me, and that is all it truly counts. How much it worth to others people is secondary. I can say the same for so many other things like the science textbooks I have bought. I still keep them, despite the fact that I am sure their market prices have dropped significantly.

        If the Signature line is less chippy, then it does not simply help the customers. It will save Le Creuset money in the long run.

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          RGC1982 RE: ProfessorBear Nov 27, 2011 10:27 AM

          I have a whole bunch of LC from the original design, and they have larger handles that are similar to the Signature pieces. Most of my stuff is 25+ years old in Flame, but I do have some newer pieces. The biggest change as far as I can tell has been the shapes of the small saucepans over time, plus the handles. I think my lids fit tighly, and since I take very good care of my pieces, none are chipped and they are all in good shape. I think I counted once, and it was approaching 20 pieces, not sixty. I do use other types of cookware too, so no need to have them all LC for me. Sixty seems like a lot. I'd be curious to see hear what pieces you have. Good for you if you enjoy them so much.

          Do you mix and match colors? I do. I enjoy new colors, and they all look good in my neutral kitchen.

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            Island RE: ProfessorBear Nov 27, 2011 11:02 AM

            60 pieces? Yikes! All from the enamel cast iron line? For that I'm really only interested in the covered ovens and braisers. The regular pots and pans are an ergonomic nightmare and just too heavy for me for everyday use.

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          ratgirlagogo RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 11:41 AM

          The plus with the timing on this is that for once LC is going to be a relatively affordable Christmas present. I already bought two pieces to give as Xmas gifts for 50% off at Bloomingdale's during the Veteran's day sale, and undoubtedly I could have found even better deals if I had taken the time to look. I don't really need any more LC for myself - wish I did.

          1. Terrie H. RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 11:48 AM

            Why would the pieces you own become "worthless?".

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              blondelle RE: Terrie H. Nov 26, 2011 01:00 PM

              I never said they were worthless. Reread my post. No one like to see something they own now sell for many times less than the value it was before, whether they plan on keeping it or not. LC might drop the signature line because it didn't sell well either. I'm sure Coke had focus groups that loved the new Coke, and look what happened.

              Coke was competing against Pepsi, and had a reason to change things. The closest competitor to LC is Staub, and they have a fraction of the market share. No need for LC to go through this change on that front. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I see it as a lot of unnecessary risk for them.

              Their customer who wanted LC bought LC. It's been fine for generations. The customer who didn't buy it before isn't now going to buy it for these changes, and the customer who already bought it won't be pleased.

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                Island RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 01:41 PM

                It's worth less soon as you buy and use it. Just like a car, TV, just about anything. I already have 7 pieces in different colors, but could easily do with less; just bought more for variety in color. How many pieces does one really need. I understand if someone has the goal of having a ton in the same color, but otherwise....not really.
                I am surprised they're discontinuing the line though and I too will be looking for deals at the outlet like I always do. Sounds like now will be the time for many people who would love to have one piece, but couldn't afford it. Thanks for the info.

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                  GH1618 RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 02:49 PM

                  Your resale value may be enhanced as a result of its not being available new. Lots of discontinued products are sought after, and classic LC may become one of them.

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                    Terrie H. RE: blondelle Nov 27, 2011 07:37 AM

                    Aha! That goes to show I shouldn't read on my iPhone without my glasses. I read "investment will be worth less" as "worthless."

                    I will agree with other posters that I don't see cookware as an investment in a financial sense. I can see disappointment if there aren't color choices to match what you have collected. Hopefully you will find something you like in their line when it comes time for your next purchase.

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                      blondelle RE: Terrie H. Nov 27, 2011 08:44 AM

                      Oy, I didn't mean that I see cookware an an investment in the financial sense. I just meant that the perceived value of the cookware I own went down. It doesn't have quite as much cachet as it did before, because now it's not the best they make anymore.

                      I was hoping this thread would focus more on how the new enamel wears. That's what I'm more interested in.

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                        Jay F RE: blondelle Nov 27, 2011 10:12 AM

                        <<the perceived value of the cookware I own went down. It doesn't have quite as much cachet as it did before, because now it's not the best they make anymore.>>

                        I'm not perceiving any such loss. You realize they've made lots of changes over time. Look at all the different iterations of a size 24 in Flame on eBay sometime.

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                          taos RE: blondelle Nov 30, 2011 12:35 PM

                          I supposed if a major reason you buy products is so you have the cachet and prestige of knowing you have the very best, than, yes, when a newer product comes out, you know longer have the latest and greatest. This is true for any consumer product, from cookware to cars to computers and cell phones. Products are continually being changed and, often, improved. This doesn't change the utility of the older product. I don't see why this is any reason to be ticked off about improvements.

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                    GH1618 RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 12:15 PM

                    I'll be watching my favorite outlet for an after-Christmas clearance!

                    I expect LC has evaluated the response to the Signature line before deciding to drop the Classic line. I doubt they are dummies. Coca-Cola dropped "New Coke" because it didn't sell well.

                    Chef's Resource has a comparison:

                    http://www.chefsresource.com/le-creus...

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                      Chemicalkinetics RE: GH1618 Nov 26, 2011 01:41 PM

                      Only times will tell. Although the New Coke was a failure and the Coke Classic line was bought back, don't forget that the the Coke Classic is not actually the original Coke. The fact that the New Coke did not work can be seen as more of a exception, than the rule. The current Le Creuset is not the original Le Creseust design anyway.

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                        GH1618 RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 26, 2011 02:47 PM

                        Not true. Coke "Classic" is the pre-1985 formula, although not the "original" if by that you mean the very first Coca-Cola formulation. Source: Coca-Cola website.

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                          Chemicalkinetics RE: GH1618 Nov 26, 2011 03:12 PM

                          I meant the very original, just like the Le Creuset you see in the stores are not the original design. If it can change in the past, why not now? The new design should decrease the chips and scratches, which will help Le Creuset much.

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                            taos RE: GH1618 Nov 30, 2011 12:32 PM

                            True. Original Coke (pre-1980) had real sugar, not HFCS. And way before that, it had cocaine in it.

                      2. emily RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 12:39 PM

                        Hmm. The only thing that bothers me about this is that I purchased all my LC in the dune color and I don't see this as an option with the signature line, though I imagine the color selection will grow as the classic collection is phased out.

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                          taos RE: emily Nov 30, 2011 12:26 PM

                          You may never get Dune back. My understanding is that it was not a popular color.

                        2. goodhealthgourmet RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 01:20 PM

                          I really don't understand the reason for LC doing this.
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                          companies in every industry do it all the time. offering "updated" or "improved" product lines while phasing out previous ones is a necessary evil of remaining competitive in the marketplace. and yes, i know you pointed out that there's not much direct competition in terms of other enameled cookware brands, but the cookware market in general is saturated with dozens of brands and material options, so LC still needs to make their product stand out by projecting a sense of cachet or making it seem like the new great thing...otherwise their image/brand becomes stale or dated, and sadly very few people want the old standard or tried-and-true anymore. it's all about upgrading.

                          1. Jay F RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 04:02 PM

                            I have no objection to this. Maybe the new stuff will be better, if only ever so slightly. Chipping has never been an issue for me, but I have at times wished for bigger handles. I wonder how long it will be until the Signature line shows up at the outlet stores.

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                              phrekyos RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 09:00 PM

                              Sayonara. I regret settling for regular LC instead of paying a little extra for the Signature stuff. I hate these teeny-weeny-tiny handles.

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                                mpalmer6c RE: blondelle Nov 26, 2011 10:16 PM

                                Well, unless you're somehow plan ing to resell your used cookware
                                at a Unless you are planning to somehow sell your old LC
                                at a profit, you didn't make an "investment." You merely bought
                                some cookware. Its monetary value will affect its cooking
                                qualities.

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                                  blondelle RE: mpalmer6c Nov 27, 2011 06:02 AM

                                  I bought all mine for ridiculous prices so not a huge investment. It just annoys me to supposedly have top of the line cookware, that's now second best, below the new Signature line. I'm also annoyed that if I want to add new colors they won't match my other pieces. Yes, I've read your comments, but I'm still allowed to be annoyed! What I really want to know, and maybe ProfessorBear can tell me, is does he see a difference in how the new enamel cleans and performs?

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                                    Island RE: blondelle Nov 27, 2011 10:56 AM

                                    Sure you're still allowed to be annoyed and I'm still allowed to not get why you think it's 2nd best because they came out with a new line. :>) Stills cooks the same as it always did and like others said they've made many changes over the years. LC will probably continue to add colors since many customers come back for more for that reason. What colors do you have now? Do you feel like you need to buy Signature now so you have the "best? Not being snarky, just find it interesting how we all love our LC for different reasons.

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                                      Chemicalkinetics RE: blondelle Nov 27, 2011 11:06 AM

                                      "It just annoys me to supposedly have top of the line cookware, that's now second best, below the new Signature line"

                                      I don't get it. Are you suggesting that Le Creuset should not upgrade their cookware even if it has found a better and more durable enamel formulation which can both benefit the consumers and the company? This is very counterintuitive.

                                      So you would be bother LESS if the new coating turns out to be worse as you have suggested in your original post.

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                                    dixiegal RE: blondelle Nov 30, 2011 11:36 AM

                                    What is the difference in the Regular line and the Signature Line? I baught 2 french ovens this year and I don't know which ones they are.

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                                      taos RE: dixiegal Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM

                                      I found this information online that compares the two lines:
                                      http://www.chefsresource.com/le-creus...
                                      http://cookware.lecreuset.com/cookwar...

                                      Features:
                                      # 45% larger handles that provide a sure grip, even with oven mitts
                                      # The superior heat distribution and retention of Le Creuset enameled cast iron
                                      # An advanced sand-colored interior enamel with even more resistance to wear
                                      # Colorful, long-lasting exterior enamel that resists chipping and cracking
                                      # A secure lid with stabilizers to prevent rocking and sliding
                                      # An all-new larger composite knob that withstands temperatures up to 480ºF
                                      # The lightest weight per quart of any premium cast iron cookware available

                                      IMHO the move to Signature is a good one. I don't buy cookware as an investment to recoup monetarily from in the future. I buy it to cook in and hopefully to use well for a long time. This is not changing with the move to the Signature line.

                                      What is changing is that the old (aka classic) line might be available at big discounts. This is good.

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                                        foiegras RE: taos Jan 20, 2012 06:07 PM

                                        Aha! I thought it was lighter weight for the size, but hadn't seen any confirmation of that. Thanks for this list.

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                                        Jay F RE: dixiegal Nov 30, 2011 02:30 PM

                                        DG - Unless you bought yours at Williams-Sonoma, and it was red, flame, or cobalt, you almost certainly have the regular, or Classic, cookware.

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                                          dixiegal RE: Jay F Dec 1, 2011 07:36 AM

                                          Neither of mine came from Williams-Sonoma and the colors are caribbean and kiwi.

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                                            Jay F RE: dixiegal Dec 1, 2011 07:54 AM

                                            Then you have the classic line.

                                      3. Delucacheesemonger RE: blondelle Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM

                                        l have 40+ pieces of Descoware, an earlier competitor of LC ,all bought used. Do l care what they cost, no. Do l love them, yes.

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                                          DCLindsey RE: blondelle Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM

                                          I just was looking online, comparing the Regular v. Signature. The dimensions (as listed online) for the 6 3/4 quart oval seemed off:

                                          Signature: L 12 1/2 x W 9 3/4 x H 4 3/4
                                          Regular: L 15 1/4 x W 10 x H 7

                                          I don't get it how these are both the same capacity dutch oven.

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                                            taos RE: DCLindsey Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM

                                            Two explanations:

                                            1. They made a mistake on the website
                                            2. The length of the Regular pieces was measured including the handles and the height measured including the lid and knob.

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                                              DCLindsey RE: taos Nov 30, 2011 12:54 PM

                                              I guessed number 1, but I'll measure tonight when I get home as number 2 sounds like the right answer. :) Thanks! I was trying to see how the 2 lines measured up (literally) and that stumped me :)

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                                            burgeoningfoodie RE: blondelle Dec 1, 2011 07:39 AM

                                            I guess I'll be stalking my local LC Outlet now.

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