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who makes the best hot dogs?

Since 1869 Rhode Islanders have sworn by Saugy's natural casing dogs. Dog lovers, I'd love to hear about your regional favorites.

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  1. For me, Nathan's Natural Casings, and if I can't get them, Nathan's skinless.

    1. There should be some other good threads about hot dogs. Hotdoglover might be along soon to offer his expertise. Natural Casing is pretty much a requirement....generally I like Nathan's, Vienna Beef makes some good dogs too. Boars Head are worth a mention.

      1. The Cook's Illustrated empire had two tastings of widely available
        dawgs. ballpark franks was tops in one, Nathan's the other. I'll take Nathan's.

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        1. re: mpalmer6c

          I bought some Hebrew Nationals while back, and either they changed the recipe or they have different recipes for different parts of the country because these dogs were tasteless. The next time I bought hot dogs I took a change on the Ballpark Deli Style dogs, and to my surprise they have a proper amount of garlic and other spices to taste like a NY hotdog. They aren't natural casing but it is my current mass market hot dog.

          1. re: Kelli2006

            Let me put it this way.
            Ball Park brand Deli Style Beef Franks certainly arent tasteless.
            They probably need to be grilled.

            1. re: GraydonCarter

              My preferred way to prepare them is definitely on a charcoal grill. I also toast the bun that I have previously applied brown mustard to.

        2. Kayem Old Tyme Natural Casing beef & pork. It is a Massachusetts company, but I just saw on their website that dogs are available online.

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          1. I don't get angry when offered Nathan's or Hebrew National.

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            1. re: jpc8015

              Both good, but better are Pearl's Kountry Klub brand - great flavor, natural casing with a serious snap to it, and they're about 1/4 lb each! Around here they're only sold from the deli case, where they have to cut them apart for you like real old-fashioned sausage links.

              1. My choice is Hebrew National. Who can argue with an ad which says "We answer to a Higher
                Authority"!

                1. my absolute favorite is Smith's hot dogs in Erie, PA. They don't ship, sigh.

                  1. I think over the years I've contributed to about 312 hot dog conversations, even though I haven't had my beloved Hummel Bros. (Connecticut) dogs in about 25 years. Hands down the best I've ever had. The snap is insane, spiced perfectly, and they're good and meaty.

                    Ironically, if you go to hummelbros.com... that "our site is coming soon" note has been there for years.

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                    1. re: shanagain

                      Had them for Lunch today at Duchess, another CT landmark. Boy do I miss Riessler Yellow Tag at Jimmie's in old Savin Rock

                      1. re: bagelman01

                        Gotta love that BRIGHT green relish at Jimmies.

                        1. re: bagelman01

                          do you mean "Rosseler's" ? If so, we were not allowed to eat Rosseler's, only Hummel's.

                          1. re: awm922

                            sorry, my typing isn't what it should be, arthritis is acting up................

                        2. It is good to ask about local favorites in this case, because so many good dogs are only regional.

                          Here in northern Indiana, I like Eckrich natural casing dogs. They're a Midwest item still, I think, although the company was bought up by national Armour some time ago.

                          1. The best...like the pizza threads (and someone always says dominoes or papagino!) , it's gonna be what you were brought up with. In Connecticut, I have to say Hummel's

                            1. Just had some of Oscar Meyer's Angus weiners. Much better than the usual supermarket dogs and Kayems. I'll have to set up a taste test with Nathan's and Hebrew National.

                              1. There are so many regional brands of hotdogs that i don't think any sort of consensus can be reached on the 'best' hotdog. Natural casing wieners are a must when considering the best hotdogs as far as I am concerned. I did discover that it is almost impossible, actually it was impossible, to buy a decent hotdog at a grocery store in Arizona. They had the skinless Nathans and Hebrew National but both fall short of what I consider to be a good hotdog. (Nathan's seemed overly salty. Hebrew National were simply unremarkable). I went to a butcher shop to buy hotdogs and some other smoked meat products. I will say that the grocery stores are competitive enough in the Phoenix area that there were great deals in the fresh meat aisle.

                                1. funny I saw your post and I thought Saugys...nothing but - we live in alaska but we get some sent up by family every year !!!

                                  1. I love how RI is only an hour across but has its own "state" everything.

                                    1. The weiners from Konop Meats in Stangleville, WI. Whenever I am fortunate enough to visit the area, a cooler is an absolute necessity.

                                      http://www.witowns.com/konopmeatsweba...

                                        1. re: SanityRemoved

                                          Yep, Zweigles Texas and White Hot Pop Opens...doesn't get much better than that!

                                        2. Hummels reign supreme here in Connecticut but honestly, the Nature's Rancher Uncured Beef Hot Dog from Whole Foods is the best hot dog I have eaten to date. Grill it up until blistered, put it on a nice toasted New England style bun with a smear of mustard and a little hot pepper relish...tastes like summer.

                                          1. The finest dog I've ever had were Sabrett's. Kraut and mustard only, please.

                                            1. Koegel's Viennas -- natural casing. I've loved Vienna beef when I could get them but it seems like they changed the recipe so not so much anymore.

                                              The dogs at Lafayette Coney Island in Detroit -- I believe made by Dearborn Sausage (MI.)

                                              1. I adored Best's brand kosher dinner franks and hot dogs, which BJ's sold, and also had at their snack bar. The company was sold to Saralee and then stopped making Best's. However, the Kirkland brand all-beef dinner franks that Costco began selling a couple of years ago taste identical to Best's, as far as I am concerned. My only quibble with them is that each is over 4 ounces, which is about a third more than seems right when having a hot dog lunch. I wind up slicing them up. A smaller, bun-sized frank would be preferable.

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                                                1. re: greygarious

                                                  I believe that Best's are still around. I've seen them in ShopRite. Costco may have dropped them, but they're still being made.

                                                  1. re: The Professor

                                                    There are (or were) 2 Best's. One made in Chicago that was bought by Sara Lee and discontinued and the other made by Best's in Newark, N.J. These are the one's you see in ShopRite. I go to the Best factory and buy their natural casing franks that you cannot get in stores. They are a quality frank made from choice and lean bull meat.

                                                    1. re: hotdoglover

                                                      I'm from Newark NJ and we love the Best beef hot dogs!! When we can, we go up
                                                      to N.J we stop at the Best
                                                      store off Bergen St in Nwk or we go to Shoprite. We buy a couple of packs and throw them in the freezer. Theyr a hit @ our cookouts!! ;)

                                                2. Arnold's in Chicopee/ East Longmeadow, MA. They are perfect!

                                                  1. Schweigerts, natural casing, coarse ground, is the best I have found. Upper Midwest - MN-IA-WS-Dakotas.

                                                    Can't be beat. Bought a 12 volt cooler to haul my annual supply back to AZ every year.

                                                    No website, but available in most good grocery stores.

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                                                    1. re: AZGrandpa

                                                      So many good regional hot dogs. Two important things to remember. There are 2 basic styles of hot dogs. German style beef/pork or beef/pork/veal. And kosher style all beef. There are others such as poultry dogs (yuck; I don't eat them) but most quality dogs fall into these 2 categories. Kosher style such as is popular in New York/New Jersey and Chicago has a spicier flavor profile with garlic and paprika dominating. The German style has a milder flavor with a wider range of subtler spices.

                                                      The other thing to remember is that while there are factors that distinguish between a mediocre frank and a good one such as quality of meat, blend of spices, casing, whether the frank is made with cheap trimmings or whole cuts of beef and pork, taste is subjective. You might like the spiciness of a kosher dog or the milder flavor of a pork based dog from a German/Polish pork store. Or the slightly peppery flavor of a Sahlen's frank from Buffalo or the Saugy's mentined in this thread. Hummel's has a unique tangy flavor and more spice than a typical pork and beef frank. I like Hummel's, but there are others that I like more. Many who prefer a spicy beef frank consider the milder German style to be bland. Those who grew up and are used to the beef/pork franks say that kosher or kosher style franks are too spicy.

                                                      The way a hot dog is prepared also affects it's taste. A grill or griddle imparts a different flavor than a deep fryer. For me I try different dogs prepared differently depending on what I'm in the mood for. I prefer natural casing franks to skinless ones. Except for New Jersey style Italian Hot Dogs because there is so much going on in this sandwich that I don't want the snap to interfere with the other ingredients if that makes any sense.

                                                      Who makes the best hot dogs? I can only tell you who makes my favorites, which are constant although the order depends on my mood.

                                                      All beef:

                                                      1) Best Provisions out of Newark, N.J. Not the Chicago Best Kosher made by Sara Lee and discontinued. Great prepared any way. Used by most places that serve Italian Hot Dogs.

                                                      2) Usinger's Angus beef franks and Gilbert's Craft sausages out of Wisconsin. A different flavor profile than New York/New Jersey beef dogs. A little less spicy; more paprika, less garlic, more smoke.

                                                      3) Sabrett New York/New Jersey

                                                      4) Boars Head almost national, originated in N.Y. now I think they're made in Florida.

                                                      5) Pearl Country Club from Massachusetts.

                                                      Honorable mention: Romanian Kosher (Chicago), Nathan's, Hebrew National (there is one recipe; above poster's tasteless dogs were probably mishandled), Thumann's, Vienna Beef

                                                      German style beef/pork:

                                                      1) Franks from a quality butcher shop/pork store. My favorites are from the Union Pork Store in Union, N.J. and Kocher's in Ridgefield Park, N.J. Remember to consume these franks within 2 days of purchase as they contain no preservatives. The better ones are made from whole cuts of quality beef and pork. Expensive, but there are none better. Or fresher.

                                                      2) Thumann's from N.J. As good as the above, Thumann's makes the best commercial beef/pork dog that you can buy in my opinion. The pork is right off their hams. I've been to their plant and their quality control is second to none. They have machines that cost thousands of dollars that measure and adjust fat content. Their coldcuts and other meats are top of the line as well. They make a beef frank and also a pork/beef frank made especially for deep frying. This frank is served at the famous Rutt's Hut and many other north Jersey joints. I prefer their beef/pork griller.

                                                      3) Hartmann's Canandaigua New York, formerly from Rochester. A rich, meaty, smoky frank made by a master Austrian sausage maker. These are available in Wegmans supermarkets and served at the popular Bark hot dog restaurant in Brooklyn.

                                                      4) Sahlen's Buffalo, New York. Nice slight peppery flavor, these dogs are great for grilling and served at the popular Ted's in New York and Arizona.

                                                      5) Zweigle's Rochester, New York. Flavorful with a unique spicing.

                                                      Honorable mention: Mucke's, Grote & Weigel, and Hummel's from Conn. Usinger's, Nolechek's, and Nueske's from Wisconsin, Leon's from Chicago, Kayem and Deutschmacher from New England, Schickhaus, Schmalz, Sabrett beef/pork (served at the Windmill), and the other fine butcher shops and pork stores such as Pulaski, Lutz, and Gaiser's in New Jersey.

                                                      1. re: hotdoglover

                                                        Sahlen's is my first choice. Probably because I grew up with them.

                                                        1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                          Sahlen's Smokehouse Ham is excellent....I rarely purchase cold cuts, but this is a favorite selection when I do.....I put it right up there with my favorite Italian Salumi.

                                                          1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                            Same here -- grew up with them and am able to get my fix 400 miles away because of Wegmans expansion. If I can't find them there, Wegmans also carries the Zweigles. I like the white hots better than the reds, but that's probably from childhood, too.

                                                          2. re: hotdoglover

                                                            Have you encountered any great dawgs NOT made in the Midwest or the Northeast?

                                                            1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                              I did find some great hotdogs at a meat market in Queen Creek, Arizona (SE of Mesa) but the qualifier is that the butcher was originally from iowa.

                                                              1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                No. That doesn't mean that there aren't any. I've had hot dogs sent to me from various companies to sample and give feedback. Either from the Northeast or Midwest. Haven't been anywhere out of the area though. I hear that a place in Washington (the name escapes me) makes excellent franks. There are German butcher shops throughout the country that I'm sure make great dogs.

                                                              2. re: hotdoglover

                                                                Nice primer on dogs.. thanks for the tutorial!

                                                                1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                  Great state-of-the-hot-dog-world survey! I especially appreciate the shout-out to my personal favorite, Pearl - though I must point out that the (unfortunately) correct spelling is Pearl Kountry Klub brand: ~1/4 lb each, natural casing, great flavor.

                                                                  1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                    A big AMEN for Gilbert's and Usingers! Gilbert's recently got some mention in an Eater.com article, and they deserve the pop!

                                                                2. Sorry Foodies but hot dogs can't be put on special lists. They are like Mickey D's. Once you grow up, you must know better. I would never feed them to children. My dog gets them for her birthday and training purposes.

                                                                  Boy is that arrogant! Sorry. I admit they used to taste good. My parents would buy me dirty water dogs from the carts when we would visit Manhattan. I would have two with mustard, sauerkraut and onions washed down with a Yoohoo. They were usually Sabrett's. The days of innocence.

                                                                  Nowadays Ill have a chicken sausage if nostalgia overtakes me. Sorry again for being a snob.

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                                                                  1. re: CCSPRINGS

                                                                    Hot dogs most definitely can be put on special lists. Go to a German /Polish pork store and buy some wieners. Made from top quality cuts of beef and pork right there on the premises. Most can be considered organic. Fresh as can be with no preservatives. No way can you compare them to the cheap low quality frozen meat served at McDonald's.

                                                                    My dog gets the cheap Bar S dogs I buy just for him. You know, the bland cheap dogs made from mechanically separated chicken and pork. I feel sorry for any kid that is deprived of hot dogs. Sorry, but to me that borders on child abuse. I'm glad I grew up when I did. Although most kids didn't enjoy going to school, we did look forward to lunchtime because we could get pizza every Friday, hot dogs one day, hamburgers another, and ice cream sandwiches as dessert. Today, the health fanatics are taking these things out of the schools. We were healthy back then eating hot dogs because we also were out playing baseball for hours, not sitting inside playing video games.

                                                                    Getting older is made much easier by knowing that I could do things then that I couldn't do now if I was a kid. We organized our own games with no parental intereference. There were no "play dates" We could eat whatever the heck we wanted without do gooder parents micro managing everything. If we acted up, we got a swat on the behind, not a "timeout". The only "timeout" I got was when my father said "Timeout while I get my strap!" There was no DYFS either.

                                                                    Healthy eating is overrated. Ever take a look at the people working in a health food store? Pale and sickly looking. Then look in the window next door at the pizzeria and you will see Vinny and Joey, two strapping muscular guys who eat pizza all day.

                                                                    1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                      Brilliant post, hdl. I could not agree more.

                                                                      1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                        Rock on, that was a great reply! You obviously love HD's, judging buy your screen name, and hope I did not offend.

                                                                        There are many natural and uncured franks out there that I have yet to try. Perhaps sooner rather than later. I agree that parents are a worrisome bunch these days. Look at the silly Purell sanitizer everywhere. Punishment in the modern era includes taking away their kid's smart phone.

                                                                        Yes the staff at health food stores usually looks anemic. Most are vegetarian or vegan and fail to understand the importance of getting enough iron in their diets.

                                                                        FYI - I love pizza!!! I had to cut myself off last week, got out of hand. The dog gets really excited when a pizza box enters the house. She know crust is on the way.

                                                                        1. re: CCSPRINGS

                                                                          CC, I was about to take you to task, but HD lover did it with truth, class and kindness. Julia Child once described "gourmet" as fresh food, well prepared by a knowledgable chef (I think part 3 is not entirely true, a rank amateur can get it right with a good recipe). And, like all things in life, it's what YOU happen to like that matters. (I'm not fond of liver or lima beans, but that just leaves more for those of you who love them.) But I think that for lunch next to a lake while camping, a couple of good snappy dogs in grilled buns with Dijon mustard and homemade sauerkraut with an icy beer is pretty damn sublime.

                                                                          1. re: dr. pepper

                                                                            You forgot tailgating at a Giant's game.

                                                                        2. re: CCSPRINGS

                                                                          "Once you grow up, you must know better."
                                                                          Yikes.
                                                                          Tell a German or a Czech that their most famous exports are only for dogs or children, and you'll likely get an earful back.
                                                                          Surely you believe that sausage is a legitimate food, right? So why not a frankfurter?
                                                                          Additionally; who puts onions on a hot dog? That's just weird.

                                                                          1. re: gilintx

                                                                            I must use caution when I decide to tap dance in a mine field. Opps! My bad. In my defense the OP had nothing to do with fresh HD's made at the local butcher. That is a horse of a different color.

                                                                            Have you ever had Sabrett's spicy onions? Every HD vendor in NYC has them on hand.

                                                                              1. re: gilintx

                                                                                Have you never had a coney dog with coney sauce, cheese, and onions?

                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                  I hate onions, but know that many love them on hot dogs. As for the onion sauce mentioned, if you are near Western New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania, stop in at a unique place called Charlies Pool Room. They serve one item: hot dogs. The house specialy is a Hungarian onion and tomato sauce that is so popular that this place has a cult following. Although I've never tasted it, everyone I've spoken to loves it and prefers it to the Sabrett onion sauce or any other.

                                                                                2. re: gilintx

                                                                                  Defienitely a new york tradition, where gray's papaya has that onion relish that is awesome. and back when i lived in durham, NC, my fave hot dog cart did this wicked chili, cheese and coleslaw + onions topped dog that was one of hte best things i've ever eaten.

                                                                              2. A close by company, known mainly for breakfast sausage (Purnell Old Folks) makes garlic franks that will knock your socks off, old fashioned franks, and even bratwurst. The brats may not be up to Wisconson standards, but they're pretty good. Overall, I normally buy Nathan's skinless (alas, no natural casing dogs found locally) or Hebrew National.

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                                                                                1. re: dairyguy

                                                                                  The "Best" brand dogs; are these available in NJ supermarkets? I did spy a "Best" brand in a Shop Rite recently, but passed them up for the Boar's Head natural casing. The "Best" brand packaging just didn't pique my interest. Never heard of them except on Chowhound. They were packaged in clear plastic (two stacked rows of four?) with a white top label w/all the information. Could these be the great "Best" brand of dogs that knowledgeable doggers speak about?

                                                                                  1. re: chefdaddyo

                                                                                    Those are the ones. ShopRite carries them and I buy them (when I'm not buying Nathan's Natural Casing franks). And Best's are pretty darned good (not my total favorites, but certainly a cut above a lot of other tubesteaks)

                                                                                    But as "hotdoglover" mentions earlier in the thread...seek out a good German butcher shop or "pork store" (while you still can...sadly, these places are really disappearing). The franks you get there will pretty much always surpass any supermarket brand.
                                                                                    As much as I enjoy a decent beef frank, I still say that the very best hot dogs I've eaten were either pork, or a beef/pork mix from one of these great 'old school' German butcher shops. No contest.

                                                                                2. I agree with Mr. hotdoglover. Very regional and nearly impossible to sample all the best in one lifetime. That said, I am in upstate NY and have my favorites. In the Western part of the state I like Hoffman's. Centrally I prefer Helmbolds. And to the north (actually into Canada) I always look for Schneiders BIg and juicy ( served at the street festiivals throughout the year, unavaialable in the states, the Montreal version of the NYC dirty dog)) but we manage to get some home. Too many city favorites to mention (pineapple........) Steamed, grilled, fried, sauteed , microwaved, mustard, relish, onions, ketchup, bbq, sauerkraut, chili, cheese, hell, I've had them with avocado,(never again) it is the perfect food. It is the sausge king.

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                                                                                  1. re: teflontom

                                                                                    Thanks, Prof. In my eyes, the "Best" packaging always appeared 'cheap' to me, and I chose to pass 'em by. I will, however, keep them on our list of things to try. We only do dogs/burgers 2-3 times per year, but we do set out a full assortment of condiments. I am often in Manhattan and can get up to Schaller & Weber on the UES for the old school ones you describe.

                                                                                  2. my favorite thumanns or sabrett pork/beef foot long [deep fried],sabrett natural casing,nathans natural casing,cant get the natural casing dogs i buy skinless still great hot dogs.To me anyway i think ball park tastes like bologna...grew up eating them as a kid,still ok though.

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                                                                                    1. re: cantbeatgoodfood

                                                                                      It's hard to find BOLOGNA that tastes like bologna anymore! I can remember when you could really taste pork and garlic … When I was a kid, skinless weenies were New and Exciting, and all the hot-dog makers were declaring them the wonder of the age. My family begged to differ, and we started getting some natural-casing garlic weiners, chubby red things that stayed juicy even when pierced by a roasting stick. I'm not buying dogs to eat at home these days, so I've got no real favorites now, but I have to say that I've tried Boar's Head twice. First time I got a crampy stomach-ache, and figured it was just me, but it happened next time too. And I didn't think they were particularly tasty either. So now I'm buying dogs one at a time, letting someone else do the cooking.

                                                                                      1. re: Will Owen

                                                                                        Re: bologna - how about this? http://www.smokinggoose.com/BlackTruf...
                                                                                        Yum. I pick up a quarter pound or more of this from time to time, from a local place [Goose the Market, which also is the main "associated" salumeria for SG.] :-)

                                                                                    2. No love for Tanka dogs? Better than any beef dog I've had...and good for you (or as good as a hot dog can be!)

                                                                                      https://www.tankabar.com/cgi-bin/nanf...

                                                                                      1. my favorite hot dogs[boy do I love hot dogs !] are thumanns
                                                                                        sabrett
                                                                                        nathans
                                                                                        best
                                                                                        used to have the house of weinies all beef but they no longer are sold here.

                                                                                        for the cheaper dogs when things are not so good I buy
                                                                                        ball park beef
                                                                                        bar s beef
                                                                                        or others,as long as they are beef hot dogs,but I really don't care for the cheaper dogs,i end up loading up on toppings to make them taste better,usually heavy on the mustard,chili & onion.

                                                                                        1. I was never really a hotdog lover. I like european weiners and smokies. I have tried hotdogs over the years and meh, once I heard lips and assholes I could never really eat and enjoy them even tho I know good quality ones don't contain them but still made be wonder.

                                                                                          I am Canadian and have heard of Nathans on tv etc. Picked up a pack while shopping over the boarder a few months back was surprised to find they taste like no other Canadian hot dog. Do the other favs Sabrett and Best taste similar?

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                                                                                          1. re: daislander

                                                                                            They all have different spicing, especially the garlic and paprika, that is the biggest difference to me.

                                                                                          2. I think what is important here is that when you eat a hot dog you remember that you are eating a sandwich.

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                                                                                            1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                              really?
                                                                                              My lunch is right in front of me as I read your post.
                                                                                              A plate with 2 Hebrew National Hot dogs, Bush's Vegetarian Beans and Silver Floss Kraut. A knife and Fork and no bread/roll in sight..............<VBG>

                                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                Then you are eating frankfurters or sausages.

                                                                                                1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                  As an avid gourmand and amateur etymologist, I have to chime in and say that I have never heard that assertion before. Maybe it's a regionalism - I see you're from Oregon, maybe it's a West Coast thing. But here on the East Coast a hot dog is a hot dog is a hot dog, whether it's in a bun, on a plate, or on a stick. And while I know the term is out there and historically accurate, I can't recall ever hearing anyone call a hot dog a frankfurter.

                                                                                                  1. re: BobB

                                                                                                    If you went to a restaurant and ordered a hot dog I suspect that you would expect it to come on a bun. If you ordered a frankfurter sausage you would most likely not get a bun.

                                                                                                    1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                      If I ordered a frankfurter sausage I'd most likely get a blank look. NOBODY calls it that, at least not in this part of the country.

                                                                                                      1. re: BobB

                                                                                                        But if you went to a ball game, ordered a hot dog, and it came without a bun you would look sideways at the guy...would you not?

                                                                                                        1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                          Of course, because I know that's how they're always served at ball games, where everything you can get to eat in the stands is finger food. Has no bearing whatsoever on using the term elsewhere. If I went to a ball game and asked for a frankfurter sausage the guy would probably look at me sideways but give me a hot dog in a bun.

                                                                                                          Really, we could go on ad infinitum on this, because you're just expressing an opinion, not stating a fact. I challenge you to find an authoritative source anywhere that says a hot dog without a bun cannot be called a hot dog.

                                                                                                          In the end, though, it doesn't really matter - you're most welcome to continue using the terms as you do. It's not going to change anything.

                                                                                                          And I'm going to drop this silly discussion now before it gets nasty.

                                                                                                          1. re: BobB

                                                                                                            This discussion is not silly. This is very serious business.

                                                                                                            1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                              ;-) OK. Find me an authoritative source and I'll continue it.

                                                                                                              1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                funny... if you use Google define: a frankfurter, especially one served hot in a long, soft roll and topped with various condiments.

                                                                                                                if you go to dictionary.com, it gets better. Two definitions:
                                                                                                                1.a frankfurter.
                                                                                                                2.a sandwich consisting of a frankfurter in a split roll, usually eaten with mustard, sauerkraut, or relish.

                                                                                                                my takeaway is a frankfurter is always the actual meat product. a hot dog can be defined as a frankfurter or as a frankfurter in a sandwich form.

                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                    Except you're both right. That really isn't all that fun. I'd much rather have seen you guys devolve into arguing in circles :)

                                                                                                                  2. re: FattyDumplin

                                                                                                                    Except that if you ask google define what is a hot dog, the #1 answer is a frankfurter. Bottom line: hot dog = frankfurter, frankfurter = hot dog. They're 100% interchangeable.

                                                                                                                    Your opinion is your opinion and nothing I do or say will change that, so, for the second (and last) time - finito.

                                                                                                                    1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                      They are absolutely not 100% interchangeable. I can live with the term hot dog being used to describe the meat portion but nobody would use the term "frankfurter" to describe the sandwich in it's entirety.

                                                                                                                      1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                        According to the National Hot Dog Council, you are correct.
                                                                                                                        "Franks and wieners were the original name for the Americanized hot dogs and named for their hometowns, Frankfurt, Germany and Vienna, Austria. While hot dogs, franks and wieners are commonly used interchangeably today, a frank typically refers to an all-beef product, while a wiener usually contains pork."

                                                                                                                        http://www.hot-dog.org/ht/a/GetDocume...

                                                                                                                        1. re: EM23

                                                                                                                          What does the National Frankfurter Council have to say on the matter?

                                                                                                                1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                  I've always thought of a hotdog without a bun as a wiener. If you put a wiener in a bun, then it's a hotdog. I don't often use the term frankfurter, but if I did use that term, and I put a frankfurter in a bun, then it's a hotdog.

                                                                                                                  You can eat a wiener without a bun, but if you eat it on a bun, you're no longer eating just a wiener, you're eating a hotdog. That's why I do not believe that eating contest on July 4th every year in Brooklyn is a hotdog eating contest. It is a wiener and bun eating contest.

                                                                                                          2. re: BobB

                                                                                                            They were called franks in my home growing up in the 60s and 70s. I liked ordering a "hot dog" when we went to Mets games.

                                                                                                            1. re: BobB

                                                                                                              Just remembered that Howard Johnson's had buttery frankfurters in a toasted bun on the menu. It came in a cardboard boat. I loved them.

                                                                                                            2. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                              Agreed. Franks 'n beans. Nobody says they're having "hot dogs and beans" unless there's something bready around that frankfurter.

                                                                                                              1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                Yes, franks and beans is the common name,
                                                                                                                BUT we regularly have "Hot Dog Goulash" and no bread is involved...................................

                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                  What in the Hay-ell is Hot Dog Goulash?!

                                                                                                                  1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                    A saucepot meal made with cut up hot dogs, potatoes, tomato (or ketchup) spices.....

                                                                                                                    Very traditional in families of Hungarian descent. My ex-wife's grandmother was from Budapest and they grew up eating it. My uncle's wife was of Hungarian origin and she served it. My current wife's stepfather was Hungarian and my MIL learned to make it, as does my wife.

                                                                                                                    Link to a simple recipe:
                                                                                                                    http://www.cooks.com/recipe/hx94v3xt/...

                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                      Thanks Bagel...I may give it a try, and think about Eva Gabor

                                                                                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                        Magda was my favorite, and mama Jolie was quite a dish in her day.............HOT DOG!

                                                                                                        2. I was just thinking, this question is almost the same as asking whose grandmother makes the best meat sauce. Or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

                                                                                                          1. Nathan's hot dogs are basically Oscar Meyer in a different package. They are tasteless. I am from Chicago and nothing beats a Vienna Beef Hot Dog. They are the best hot dogs you can have anywhere and that is the end of discussion. New York and LA please sit down and shut up, you don't have a "dog" in this fight! In fact, there is no fight because no one can challenge Chicago, no one!

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                                                                                                            1. re: ChicagoWesson

                                                                                                              Except for your "pizza." Incoming, ducking!

                                                                                                              1. re: ChicagoWesson

                                                                                                                Are you referring to Vienna beet sausages with or without casings? I think a good sausage needs to be in natural casings. I like Vienna beef for a mass produced sausage, but I would choose any number of locally produced sausages over Vienna beef skinless wieners.

                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                  diddo on the chicago hot dog love them with all the fixing's,and as far as our pizza is concerned we have the thin crust's also,as for me I have never had a deep dish pizza.

                                                                                                                2. re: ChicagoWesson

                                                                                                                  Doubt Very Much many people who love Hot Dogs would agree with you about the Nathans hot dogs statement you made,Oscar Meyer of all brands lol....Nathans,Sabrett,Thumanns All Top Sellers and Best Hot Dogs anywhere,Vienna Beef?? Do you mean Like Those Canned Vienna sausages in a can?Thats nothing more than cat food.NJ,NY, AND LA are Known for their Hot Dogs!I still don't get the whole pickle,and tomato on a poppy seed roll thing there in Chicago......Think its just you're proud of Chicago more than a hot dog expert here.

                                                                                                                  1. re: cantbeatgoodfood

                                                                                                                    Vienna Beef are not Vienna sausages in a can. They are a Chicago regional brand of hot dogs, in business since 1893. http://www.viennabeef.com/

                                                                                                                    I agree that Nathan's are not Oscar Meyer, or even close. That statement was just plain silly.

                                                                                                                    1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                      I love Nathan's. I have a package of them at home right now.

                                                                                                                3. Regardless of who makes the frankfurter, put it in a bun and it becomes a sandwich.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                    JPC...you know this question was settled on another discussion board...

                                                                                                                  2. I don't know who makes the best hot dog, but I prefer them grilled outside.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                      If they are boiled I prefer skinless, grilled with a casing.

                                                                                                                      1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                                        Interesting. I prefer the opposite.

                                                                                                                        1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                          Same here! I always boil or steam the natural casing ones and if grillng, I use the skinless ones.

                                                                                                                          1. re: The Professor

                                                                                                                            You guys might be onto something. When natural casing sausages are grilled, the casing usually bursts and then some of the 'pop' is missing when biting into the sausage. Of course, the burst casing also prevents the scorching hot grease from burning the inside of your mouth. ; )

                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                              All I know on the subject is from Sabrett: natural casing is for boiling and no casing is for grilling. I bow to their knowledge when it comes to hot dogs.

                                                                                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                Not for me. I make my own dcisions on how I cook.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                    It means I cook hotdogs without the influence of how others cook them. It depends on the situation. Sometimes I put them in water and simmer. Sometimes I put them in a dry skillet. Sometimes I cook them on an outdoor grill.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                      Sometimes I put them in the microwave...shame.

                                                                                                                          2. re: JMF

                                                                                                                            Grilled on a flattop....and cook them to just before they pop and split...the casing gets a nice snap..