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Honeymoon in New York!

Hi all. We're coming in from Toronto right after our early December wedding for a few days of eating, culture and expensive hotel rooms (hopefully Soho/LES). Well, two out of three great things ain't bad. I'd love your advice on our plans, and any suggestions for making our plans better! In particular, my bride is all about dessert, and I haven't figured out when to fit in Chikalicious.

Sunday: Cocktails and dinner at Mas

Monday: Breakfast at City Bakery? Clinton Street Baking? Veselka? Somewhere else? Lunch at Cafe Sabarsky. Cocktails at PDT? Milk and Honey? Death and Co? Dinner at Degustation. Waitlisted at Brooklyn Fare.

Tuesday: Breakfast at Donut Plant? Lunch at Momofuku Ssam. Cocktails? Dinner at Blue Hill (too much farmhouse? Maybe something modern american?

Wednesday: Breakfast at Russ and Daughter? Is there another fabulous bagel place where we could sit down? Lunch at Eleven Madison Park.

What about some essential new york experiences, like the best carrot cake (her favourite by far)? A great pretzel? An awesome healthy salad in case she feels she's starting to sweat pork fat?

I'm really hoping we both come home excited and inspired by what's great about New York. Any help would be really, really appreciated.

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Eleven Madison Park
11 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10010

Momofuku Ssam Bar
207 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

Blue Hill
75 Washington Place, New York, NY 10011

City Bakery
3 W 18th St, New York, NY 10011

Cafe Sabarsky
1048 5th Ave, New York, NY 10028

Milk and Honey
134 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

Veselka
9 E 1st St, New York, NY 10003

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  1. Are you considering end Italian or Japanese?

    1. Obviously, you've already figured out that going to Russ & Daughters for breakfast in December is not exactly a good idea unless you are planning to take your food back to your hotel. If you want appetizing at a sit-down place, there's Barney Greengrass on the UWS.

      (ChikaLicious is very close to SSam Bar, so you could go there for dessert after your duck lunch.)*

      Instead of Blue Hill, you might consider doing something quite different. We just had a spectacular dinner at Jung Sik, which is serving Modern Korean cuisine. It's gotten raves from other Hounds as well.

      Jun Sik photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

      *ETA: Oops! Didn't realize ChikaLicious is not open on Tuesdays.

      Best wishes on your impending nuptials!

      http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

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      Barney Greengrass
      541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

      Jung Sik
      2 Harrison St, New York, NY 10013

      6 Replies
      1. re: RGR

        The only realistic time the OP can go to Chikalicious (the sit down one, not the takeout one) is on Sunday, because of their hours:

        Open:
        Thu-Sun: 3pm to 10:45pm
        Closed:
        Monday - Wednesday

        http://www.chikalicious.com/

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        ChikaLicious
        203 E 10th St, New York, NY 10003

        1. re: kathryn

          The last time we were there, which was quite a while ago, they were open every day. So, I see they've now gone back to only being open Thurs - Sun, which is the way it was before they were open every day.

          http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

        2. re: RGR

          One possible post-Ssam lunch option for dessert would be to sit at the bar at Otto, and have their olive oil coppetta.

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          Otto
          1 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10003

          1. re: kathryn

            or could always just go to Milk Bar right across the street!

            1. re: mattstolz

              dessert after Ssam Bar at Spot on St. Marks.

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              Spot Dessert Bar
              13 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

              1. re: coasts

                Coppettas at Otto, Milk Bar, Spot - IMO they're all good choices.

                Could they possibly take their Russ & Daughters' bounty to Katz's, order some pastrami, and enjoy everything together? Probably kind of heavy for breakfast, but I think some 'hounds have definitely done this. Two birds with one stone, etc.

                But then again, Barney Greengrass is a great choice too.

        3. > Sunday: Cocktails and dinner at Mas

          Before Mas, go to Little Branch (opens at 7pm) or the bar at Fatty Cue (esp if you like spicy cocktails, or cocktails in a more casual atmosphere). Employees Only is good, too, but not as uniformly good as their list has some clunkers on it. The list as Mas did not really impress me (if they really are market driven then perhaps fall/winter isn't as strong as spring/summer).

          > Monday: Breakfast at City Bakery? Clinton Street Baking? Veselka? Somewhere else? Lunch at Cafe Sabarsky. Cocktails at PDT? Milk and Honey? Death and Co? Dinner at Degustation. Waitlisted at Brooklyn Fare.

          Clinton St would be my choice -- not sure if the spread at City Bakery is as good on weekdays as it is on weekends, you may need to call to ask if they have their fabulous french toast.

          Because it's on a weekday, you'll be wise to choose Clinton St to avoid the lines.

          Veselka isn't even in the same level in terms of breakfast cooking.

          Also consider Locanda Verde for weekday breakfast.

          Re: cocktails

          You really won't be able to get into M&H if you're not a member.

          As for PDT vs Death & Co, depends what you want in terms of atmosphere (taxidermy vs modern speakeasy) and drinks (smaller list or longer list) or food (downscale hot dogs and tots vs more upscale bites). For both, get there at 6pm, or risk getting shut out. PDT takes same day reservations but calling right at 3pm is always a bit of a pain.

          > Tuesday: Breakfast at Donut Plant? Lunch at Momofuku Ssam. Cocktails? Dinner at Blue Hill (too much farmhouse? Maybe something modern american?

          Doughnut Plant breakfast is a good call. I would do the Chelsea one, as there's more seating there. Don't miss the cake doughnuts: tres leches, Brooklyn blackout, salted peanut. I'm not a huge fan of the larger, chewy yeast-raised doughnuts.

          I assume you know that weekday lunch at Momofuku Ssam is the "duck only" menu?

          I wouldn't do Mas and Blue Hill in the same trip. Maybe Italian? You're probably too late for Babbo but I bet you could fit in Scarpetta, which is much easier to reserve (it also has excellent desserts). For pre-Scarpetta or post-Scarpetta cocktails, I would go to Raines Law Room. It's a little bit of a walk away but worth the extra effort.

          Make a reservation for one of their booths (you can draw a sheer curtain for more privacy, a bell summons the servers, otherwise, they pretty much leave you alone).

          Another option is pizza, which I don't see on your list. My pick would be Motorino (pies only).

          > Wednesday: Breakfast at Russ and Daughter? Is there another fabulous bagel place where we could sit down? Lunch at Eleven Madison Park.

          Barney Greengrass would be the alternative to R&D.

          It's not about the bagels, really, any more, it's more about the smoked salmon.

          Best bagels in NYC:
          http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2009/1...

          Summary: the freshest bagels are the best; bagels don't age well at all.

          > What about some essential new york experiences, like the best carrot cake (her favourite by far)? A great pretzel? An awesome healthy salad in case she feels she's starting to sweat pork fat?

          Only in NY type foods: bagels and smoked salmon, pastrami on rye, hot dogs & papaya juice, black and white cookies, cheesecake, egg creams, pickles, halal carts.

          My other favorite unique places in NY serve Xian (Chinese) food, Issan (Thai) food, organic/local/sustainable Japanese BBQ, authentic Basque (Spanish) tapas, creative diner food, pretzels, hot dogs, halal food, steak, upscale rustic Italian, Italian subs, creative Italian-American, high end non-sushi Japanese (like kaiseki), creative desserts, molecular gastronomy, mixology/creative cocktails, and upscale brunches (brunch is served every day here, sometimes even for dinner).

          My favorites are here:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8050...

          Also I'm not sure what is available in Toronto, but do you have good Southern food? BBQ? How about New England style lobster rolls? These foods might be fun and interesting for you to have while in the US.

          I might look into Pies 'n' Thighs, the Redhead, Blue Smoke, Hill Country, Pearl Oyster Bar, Luke's Lobster, in addition to classic NY places like Russ & Daughters, Katz's Deli, John's of Bleecker, brunch places like Breslin, Locanda Verde, Shopsin's, Clinton St Baking Co., or Minetta Tavern, and obscurer Asian places like Takashi, Zabb Elee, and Xian Famous Foods.

          Don't leave NY without eating these foods
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/610739

          I highly recommend RGR's self guided Lower East Side Gustatory tour but sub in Pickle Guys for Guss' Pickles and note that Economy Candy's address is incorrect:
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/493333

          2 Day NYC Tour focusing on eating, please help with suggestions...
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/809852

          Restaurant Advice for 2 day trip to NYC
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8050...

          For non-Western European/American
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/729498
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/731732

          Foreign Street Grub
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/701278

          totally obscure, odd, and intriguing menu items
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/722130

          Best carrot cake:
          http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2010/0...

          Best pretzels would be at Sigmund Pretzel Shop. Hopefully you'll be able to swing by their shop; they also have a cart on Museum Mile, and may be at one of the various holiday markets that appear between Thanksgiving and Christmas here.

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          Barney Greengrass
          541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

          Russ & Daughters
          179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

          Katz's Delicatessen
          205 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

          Pearl Oyster Bar
          18 Cornelia St, New York, NY 10014

          Pickle Guys
          49 Essex St, New York, NY 10002

          Eleven Madison Park
          11 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10010

          Hill Country
          30 W 26th St, New York, NY 10010

          Babbo
          110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

          Momofuku Ssam Bar
          207 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Blue Hill
          75 Washington Place, New York, NY 10011

          Shopsin's General Store
          120 Essex St, New York, NY 10002

          Minetta Tavern
          113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

          City Bakery
          3 W 18th St, New York, NY 10011

          Cafe Sabarsky
          1048 5th Ave, New York, NY 10028

          Veselka
          144 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          John's Pizzeria
          278 Bleecker St, New York, NY 10014

          Mas (Farmhouse
          )39 Downing St, New York, NY 10014

          Blue Smoke
          116 East 27th Street, New York, NY 10016

          Little Branch
          22 Seventh Ave South, New York, NY 10014

          Employees Only
          510 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

          Please Don't Tell
          113 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10009

          Economy Candy
          108 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

          Death & Co.
          433 E 6th St, New York, NY 10009

          Scarpetta
          355 West 14th Street, New York, NY 10014

          The Redhead
          349 E 13th St, New York, NY 10003

          Milk and Honey
          134 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

          Raines Law Room
          48 W 17th St, New York, NY 10011

          Locanda Verde
          377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

          Clinton Street Baking Co.
          4 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

          Luke's Lobster
          93 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

          The Breslin
          20 W 29th St, New York, NY 10001

          Sigmund Pretzel Shop
          29 Avenue B, New York, NY 10009

          Motorino
          349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

          Takashi
          456 Hudson St, New York, NY 10011

          Doughnut Plant
          220 W 23rd St, New York, NY 10011

          Veselka
          9 E 1st St, New York, NY 10003

          Zabb Elee
          75 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Xi'an Famous Foods
          67 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

          Fatty 'Cue
          50 Carmine St, New York, NY 10014

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          1. re: kathryn

            Fabulous. So we will add Locanda Verde and pass on Blue Hill. Scarpetta is here in Toronto but maybe Del Posto? I see they have a table. We would love to get into Babbo. Maybe we will line up for a seat at the bar! Thanks so much.

            1. re: yyz guy

              Locanda Verde is also excellent for dinner but they may be pretty booked up for your dates (they book 30 days in advance).

              Fortunately we have a wealth of Italian restaurants here, including but not limited to Babbo, LV, Scarpetta, Maialino, Del Posto, Ai Fiori, Ciano... It really depends what you are looking for. More casual vs upscale. Refined vs. rustic.

              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/811679

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              Babbo
              110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

              Del Posto
              85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

              Scarpetta
              355 West 14th Street, New York, NY 10014

              Ciano
              45 E 22nd St, New York, NY 10010

              Locanda Verde
              377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

              Maialino
              2 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10010

              Ai Fiori
              400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

          2. If you have a chance, try Lloyds Carrot Cake. I am not too big of a dessert person bur really like their carrot cake. You can also call them to see if they sell it elsewhere

            http://www.lloydscarrotcake.com/conta...

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            Lloyd's Carrot Cake
            1553 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10029

            1. i would def include Locanda Verde in breakfast plans if you get a chance! my breakfast there Sunday was delicious!!

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              Locanda Verde
              377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

              1. Russ & Daughters is not "a bagel place"

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                Russ & Daughters
                179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                2 Replies
                1. re: gutsofsteel

                  Thanks for letting me clarify that I actually meant a place where I can get a bagel. With lox.

                  1. re: yyz guy

                    Just so you know, lox is different from smoked salmon. The beauty of a place like Russ & Daughters is that you can taste before you commit!

                    http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.co...

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                    Russ & Daughters
                    179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                2. Sigmund Pretzel Shop for sure. Great place for lunch or an afternoon snack. This is the dog with kraut and mustard on a pretzel bun.

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                  Sigmund Pretzel Shop
                  29 Avenue B, New York, NY 10009

                   
                  1. Check out Imperial No. 9. It's one of the most ridiculously beautiful restaurants you'll ever visit. The food is what they consider sustainable seafood but I didn't really see it on the menu, but then again, I don't even know if I know what that means, lol. The desserts are primarily desconstructed in style, and beautifully plated before you have to mush everything together to get the full effect.

                    Perry St. is romantic, or at least the view if you get a table facing the highway and the river.

                    Yaffa or Orlin Cafes on St. Marks Pl. (both grubby, Yaffa being grubbier) makes nice salads. As much as I love/hate Yaffa, the orange carrot house salad dressing is delicious. These are very casual and inexpensive options and are quintessential funkier NY.

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                    Cafe Orlin
                    41 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

                    Yaffa Cafe
                    97 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

                    Perry Street
                    176 Perry Street, New York, NY 10014

                    Imperial No. 9
                    9 Crosby St, New York, NY 10013

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                    1. re: mushroomaffairs

                      This is probably the first good thing I've read about Imperial No. 9.

                      I agree with Yaffa Cafe's salad - I've been addicted to their spinach salad w/ carrot dressing for a decade now, and I don't even like vegetables. It's practically the only thing I get there. Good choice especially if it's after 2 a.m.

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                      Yaffa Cafe
                      97 St Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

                      Imperial No. 9
                      9 Crosby St, New York, NY 10013

                    2. Can anyone comment on the likelihood of getting a seat at the bar at babbo on a Tuesday night? Any suggestions for strategy?

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                        1. re: yyz guy

                          Are you sure they fully booked that day? It doesn't hurt to call and ask if you haven't already.

                          Also make sure you call on the day of, to ask about cancellations.

                        2. Am I the only one here who doesn't like Chikalicious?
                          I feel like there are so many better dessert options in NYC.

                          2 Replies
                          1. re: Monica

                            Do you have a recommendation for a sit-down, post-dinner, dessert-only spot? There are a number of places where you can sit at the bar and have just dessert/coffee/drinks...

                            But I always struggle to find a place that is more of a dessert bar like Chikalicious, especially one that isn't Asian influenced like Kyotofu and Spot.

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                            Kyotofu
                            705 9th Ave, New York, NY 10019

                            1. re: kathryn

                              How about Dessert Truck Works on Clinton St? Not fancy seating, and the coffee is forgettable, but their desserts are complex and delicious. I've never had a bad time there. And you can eat at Ed's Lobster across the street beforehand (great lobster roll).

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                              Dessert Truck Works
                              6 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

                              Ed's Lobster Bar Annex
                              25 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002