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Nov 13, 2011 10:21 PM


Add a like option. Pretty please? I like...

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  1. There is a like option at the top of your post. There is a like option in the share tab. There is a general like option to the upper right of the page.

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    1. re: rworange

      those likes are for FB, aren't they? meaning, you "like" something and it gets posted to your wall on FB? it's not the same as just saying you like something on CH... or am i wrong?

      1. re: mariacarmen

        Frankly I don't know as I try to add content on this site.

        Who knows why there has to be three places to register you like something if they are all going the same place. I can only guess there are plans in the works to add many, many different types of "likes" to promote a popularity contest rather than discussion about restaurants and food which is too old school.

        1. re: rworange

          i don't know what "i try to add content on this site" means, but what i was referring to is the three "LIke" places YOU referred to are all related to Facebook, and not Chowhound., so it doesn't seem to me that it would be what the OP was requesting. Unless I'm wrong about the FB thing. but since you don't know, and no one else is chiming in.... oh well.

          1. re: mariacarmen

            You are correct. I was requesting a like option here on chow.

            1. re: OCEllen

              they've discussed that here, and many pooh-poohed it. i wouldn't mind it. it wouldn't have to be intrusive, just a check mark box on the side of the post, so that it doesn't lengthen the thread at all.

                1. re: mariacarmen

                  So, instead of responding to a post with actual word's, folks could just skip the formality and chose a "like button" ?

                  Yes, it wouldn't lengthen the thread at all....

                  1. re: Robinez

                    I'm not sure if you are trying to be funny or serious ... "instead of responding to a post with actual word's" ... lets not add any discussion to a discusstion forum? Reading posts are too much of a bother?

                    I have a serious question. Just what do you think punching a like button conveys?

                    Even though OCEllen only wrote one word "like", I can look at her profile, see if she's posted anything, see if her opinion matters to me should it be a food post.

                    So, I'm really serious. What do you get out of a like button? If something has say 50 likes, even though you have no clue about the people who clicked that ... could be the restaurant and friends of the restaurant. Could be someone who eats at Olive Garden.

                    Do you look at that and say"I must go here because it has a lot of votes?"

                    And what if there is this great restaurant with zero 'likes'? Would you automatically write it off?

                    And personally, what does it do for you clicking on that button? What are you agreeing with? You agree that the restaurant is good ... because?.... you have been there? You like the report because it is funny? You like the poster because they are a friend? You like the report because somewhere in there there is one sentence you like, maybe about service?

                    Again, I'm serious. Why is anyone compelled to click on a like button? Do you really think it makes a difference to other people?

                    And to the OP, why do you 'like' like? Tell me, pretty please. I've always liked your posts when I catch them. Would all your opinions cease because you click on like?

                    I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't understand the need. To me it is like we've become a nation of Willie Lohman's ... attention must be paid.

                    1. re: rworange

                      Robinez was clearly being ironic and (in a nice way) scathing of the idea of a "like" button adding value to this site. As I too believe (and have said before) the idea of a "like" button leaves me with the same feeling as the "+1" phenomena. CH is different for a couple of reasons, chief among them the witty, informative and always challenging discourse by its community members. Like buttons (and the like) not only don't further that unique difference, but actually take away from it.

                      I have no like for like! (or channeling/paraphrasing the old campaign slogan for Eisenhower when he ran for the Presidency "I don't like Like!")... ;-D>

                      1. re: rworange

                        I was being sarcastic. I guess I should have worked on it better.. :)

                      2. re: Robinez

                        NO, just like on FB, it's a like BUTTON, it can appear ON the original post, it isn't a separate post, does not lengthen the original post.

                        as to RWOrange 's question, even though she didn't ask me, i would like "like" specifically on CH because of one of the things you stated - you might see someone who "liked" your post, someone you were unaware of, maybe a lurker who doesn't post often, or one who does but that you've not come into contact with yet - and thereby you "meet" a new CHer, learn his/her viewpoints, experiences, knowledge, etc.

                        1. re: mariacarmen

                          I was asking everyone who likes like.

                          So pretty much what you are asking for is a pm system so you can discuss food ono on one and issues outside of Chowhound.

                          There are different flavors of like. Some it is just a matter of vote tallying.

                          On yelp it is tallying in addition to getting an email that someone liked you. The creepiest emails from yelp are those that say you have a fan but they don't want you to know their name. Then damn it, I don't want you as a fan, unknown stalker.

                          While I think like in that sense drives traffic away from the site and still winds up as a popularity contest, I think maybe it might be useful to add stuff to the profile page such as an official box for email addressses and maybe a link to facebook pages.

                          Then if someone really, really likes you they could contact you via facebook. As it is Chow has a warning to be careful about contacting strangers and would take some of the responsibility off Chow of hooking up people thru a 'like' system.

                          1. re: rworange

                            No, i'm not even sure what you mean about a PM system, or discussing issues outside of CH, but that's not what i meant at all!

                            there'd be a button that says "Like" next to your post. unobtrusive. i press it. you can hover over it and see who "liked" what you posted (if you care, which you don't, so you wouldn't). It would just show you the CHer's handle. By seeing who "liked" my post, i may discover someone new to me on CH and can now go check out their posts. simple.

                            1. re: mariacarmen

                              “By seeing who "liked" my post, i may discover someone new to me on CH and can now go check out their posts. simple.”

                              That actually seems more complicated than if that same person put forth a sentence that articulated the approving sentiment. That way there's no need to go looking and you have immediate access to their handle and other posts - plus a chance to understand the focus of the approval.

                              1. re: MGZ

                                what if they don't put forth a sentence? maybe they have nothing to comment but want to show approval.

                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                  You mean like the numerous "like" and "+1" posts? I would rather have a like button than open long threads to only find that the only new posts are +1.

                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                      I would prefer if the mods simply had a blanket policy of deleting all +1 and "like" posts, unless it actually contributes something new to the conversation. For example, a post that says "+1 loooooooooooool" would get deleted, but a post that says "+1. I agree that Harry's House of Squid makes excellent nuggets, but the clotted ink is spectacular too." would be allowed in spite of the +1, not because of it.

                                      Mr Taster

                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                        I agree with you completely, Sir. It's a valid notion.

                                        1. re: MGZ

                                          I cast my vote for an "FYI" button...

                                          1. re: MGZ

                                            MGZ, while I appreciate the appreciation, your post doesn't add to the discourse and would be deleted under the Taster regime.

                                            Mr Taster

              1. As I have done on the other threads discussing this idea, I will voice my objection to the concept. A "Like" feature, or anything like it, will add nothing to the discourse. Instead, it will simply incentivize some to seek approval. If something so pleases a 'hound that she feels it necessary to acknowledge it, then what is wrong with having her offer enough so as to articulate why? In short, please don't dumb down the site.

                1. In the past I haven't been a proponent of a "like" button on posts, feeling like others here, that it leads to dumbing down, popularity contests, and all that.

                  That being said, there have a been a bunch of posts lately that my knee-jerk reaction is to hit the "like" button on. It comes from spending too much time on Facebook, but the reason I've wanted to do it here is when I don't really have content to add but want to acknowledge the effort/information/sentiment in someone's post. For example, this post: it's a heartfelt post and I liked the message, but I felt like me saying "hey, that's great" would just add noise to the thread. So I didn't say anything at all. But I felt bad about it... I wanted SauceSupreme to know that I appreciated what he/she was putting out there.

                  I do think that adding "like" would encourage people to make more silly/witty/crowd-pleasing posts. it's always more fun to be goofy when you know people are cheering you on, and I don't know that encouraging those sorts of posts would be to the benefit of the site.

                  But the more I think about it, I don't think it would be a popularity contest. I'm not going to "like" people's posts just because I like them personally. I'd be "liking" based purely on content. I'm not sure everyone would use it that way, but this is a pretty sophisticated bunch on Chowhound and I think many posters put emphasis on what's being said, not who is saying it, and would use "like" as I would, to show appreciation.

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                    1. re: Chris VR

                      But, wouldn’t it actually be more effective to articulate your appreciation? In the referenced thread, a few ‘hounds did and what it added was more music than noise.

                      1. re: MGZ

                        Well the responses there added something personal. I didn't have the time or motivation to add something to make a "nice post" post more substantial. So in those cases I just pass by. But I like the way I am able to show appreciation on Facebook without investing the time to add content, and can see the advantage to it here.

                        1. re: Chris VR

                          There are lots of things that are good for other sites that could drive a death spike into the heart of Chowhound.

                          I LOVE that I can see how many views I have on Flickr. I'm surprised that many people find my photos that interesting ... I mean I really suck at it.

                          However, I would never want to see that info on Chowhound. It is a killer to less popular, and more interesting, posts about food. On Egullet, the only thing that got lots of views was the big name trendy joints. After a while I didn't want to bother posting about that great little xxx because no one gave a damn.

                          And so it is with the like button on Chowhound. While eating may be social, the focus isn't socializing such as on facebook.

                          The post you gave as an example is the perfect illustration. Yes, it is a lovely post. It also is not about food. So lots of appreciation is going to encourage more of the same.

                          I also think it was so much more meaningful to the OP for the people who took the time to express their appreciation than a bunch of annonymous "likes". However, that is just me.

                          Yes, it still remains a pretty sophisticated crowd ... though I would argue that is starting to decrease. As it is, the cliques on this site are a PITA to deal with ... and they have to make some effort, so it is not as much as other sites.

                          So that is igniting the fire on Not About Food, with people like, like, liking their friends often agressive comments while some poor smuck who innocently gave an opinion gets dumped on.

                          It took me YEARS to get Chowhound was about food. Yes, it is about community, but I don't come here for my virtual friends. So adding a social feature like this might make it more difficult for people to 'get' that it is about food. There are enough threads on Site Talk now bemoaning people can't just chat away because it is interesting though not helpful to findng good eats.

                          And again, I think it opens it up to shills. The drive-by posts from facebook on the restaurant records where you can't really track who that person is and their history, for me, makes those instant reviews worthless. At least on yelp you can see the history of everyone posting a review.

                          So now you have restaurants and friends liking anything positive said about them. There are people who rely on top ten lists, stars and how many likes there are.

                          And in the long run that damages the one thing that truly stands out on both Chowhound and Chow ... the integrity of the site. It is one of the few places you can trust the information being posted.

                          1. re: Chris VR

                            The Facebook “like” is designed, in addition to mine for data, to be ambiguous and overly simplistic. In the end, it is detrimental to communication.

                            I have little doubt, Chris, given how you have expressed yourself in other posts, that you could have added something of greater value to SauceSupreme’s thread than mere vague approval.

                            1. re: MGZ

                              I'd add that it's self-indulgent. It indulges me because I get to share my views without putting in the effort or time. With piles of work, opening in a community theater cabaret tonight and a kid with walking pneumonia I just don't want to commit the brain cells and time to making something more substantial in that case, and a "like" would allow me to feel like I'm interacting without actually putting in the time.

                              It's also indulgent for the person whose post is "liked". Yes, it feels nice to know that the words you've thrown into cyberspace have found a target in a kindred soul. Sure, it would be great if that soul would take the time to share how your post touched them, but if the choice is getting a "like" or getting nothing, the "like" is better than nothing.

                              Indulgent as it is, I still wouldn't mind seeing it here.

                              1. re: Chris VR

                                >>> Sure, it would be great if that soul would take the time to share how your post touched them,

                                I thought Chowhound was about food tips. Is that incorrect?

                                If that is the case, I'll drop the restaurant reporting I do and have fun on the chat parts of the site.

                                I'll bow out of this now. The powers that be will do what they do.As I said in my first post, I would guess from past enhancements that they also like like

                                1. re: rworange

                                  I chose an example from this board just because it was the most recent example of when I wanted to hit the "like" button. I've had similar feelings about lovely long reviews of restaurant experiences, great-sounding recipes, and tips on how to sharpen knives. Sorry if the example I chose is throwing you off from the intent of my post, which is that I have come to think I might like to see a way to quickly show appreciation for content here via a "like" button.

                                  This is just my opinion, sorry it doesn't agree with yours; that's what makes this site great, we can all disagree and the world keeps turning.

                                  1. re: Chris VR

                                    I also would really like to see a "Like" button.

                                    I think it will encourage communication -much more than discourage it. There are too many cliques that pile on to the point of ridiculousness, and I am sure that there are many lurkers that would really like to chime in- but don't want to get into some big "ta do" over a simple freakin' post. It would be refreshing to see 500 "likes" on the single "dissenting " post. I think it would add a bit of reality to how the *community* feels rather than the constant "pile on" of a handful of energetic posters that have no way of getting feedback when only THEY agree with each other.

                                    I think it might curb those people that just enjoy a good argument and don't give a shit about actually contributing. I could give some examples- but if you have been reading these boards for awhile- I shouldn't need to explain that.

                                    I also think it might be a nice way to verify and track things for yourself. Sometimes I wonder, in a thread where there is only three or four answers...if anyone else *saw* the post (hence the low response) or if people actually don't have an opinion/advice- or- everyone agrees with this opinion/advice- or??? A like button might help with those situations...especially (for example) on the cookware board.

                                    New posters are hesitant to post here because they feel that the same people take a contrary view- sometimes just to be contrary- and that is not a reliable indicator of the community. It is more of a pack mentality. I have seen several posts lately with "Hi, this is my first post, wow, I expected to get jumped all over for asking"..... Sorry, I think that is pathetic. A like button would be a way for the entire community to give a little opinion without starting a fight about it. I would like that general community information, myself.

                                    If it is not valuable to you- you don't care what others think- then don't look at it.

                                    1. re: sedimental

                                      I think this a really well reasoned and beautifully written post that, ironically, makes the case for why encouraging hounds to use a like button would be deleterious to this site.

                                      If you had simply chimed in with a "like" vote I wouldn't have had the opportunity to be both challenged and impressed by your take on the other side of this debate. And that would have been a real shame.

                                      1. re: Servorg

                                        I really don't think it would cause us "more verbose" hounds from expressing our opinions. I think it would just give voice to "less expressive" hounds...and I would like to hear from them too.

                                        1. re: sedimental

                                          What we really want to do is encourage the "less verbose" hounds to become more expressive. I don't think we do that by playing to their less communicative instincts.

                                      2. re: sedimental

                                        In my experience, the best way to get feedback is just to eat the food and decide for oneself. It doesn't matter if there's 500 "Likes" or 500 "Hates" on a dissenting post; one is not more valid than the other. What the community feels is not as important as what one feels when one eats the food.

                                        Chowhound is a place to share tips, not a place where the community tells us where to eat or think. Pack mentality, whether it's 1 pack or 2 packs with opposing "Likes", is still pack mentality. Thus, encouraging more packs with a Like button isn't a good solution, nor would it improve the boards.

                                        Empirical experience and independent thinking from individuals is what we should strive for. We're not here to take sides, we're here to share tips, which everyone should use as they think fit.

                                        The best way to encourage new posters is to engage them, Ask them what they think about other stuff on the menu. How does it compare to another place? Have they tried X? That way everyone gets more info to work with. And if there are posters starting fights and discouraging new posters, report them.

                                    2. re: rworange

                                      Does touting the wondrous properties of the McRib count as restaurant reporting?

                                      j/k '-)

                                      And who is forcing you to engage in the "chat parts" of this site, which you clearly don't enjoy?

                                      1. re: linguafood

                                        linguafood, why is McRib and Olive Garden always the butt of culinary jokes? I had a pal that luved McRibs, Inever triedthem.

                                        1. re: hetook

                                          Feel free to check them both out. You'll get the joke then, for sure.

                                          1. re: linguafood

                                            If I had a time machine.. and a giftcard...I would.

                                            1. re: hetook

                                              I'm going to step back into this thread for just this post, because this branch has to do with linguafood, um, ribbing me about my passion for the McRib.

                                              I see from your profile that you are from Alberta. The McRib and Olive Garden are very much alive in the US, so no time machine necessary.

                                              BTW, welcome to Chowhound. I see you are relatively new and already your posts have caught my attention and I like what you are adding to this site. Looking forward to more of your posts.

                                              However, to answer your question about why the McRib and Olive Garden is the butt of culinary jokes you would need to take a time machine. This site started in the late 90's and was sold in 2006.

                                              The current manifesto is a pale version of the original. So if you read the original it might answer your question.

                                              "Everyone has one in their life: the brother-in-law with a collection of 800 takeout menus, the coworker who's always late from lunch because she HAD to trek to one end of town for the best soup and to the other for the best sandwich. Chowhounds know where the good stuff is, and they never settle for less than optimal deliciousness, whether dining in splanky splendor or grabbing a quick slice of pizza. They are the one in ten who live to eat.

                                              We're not talking about foodies. Foodies eat where they're told; they eagerly follow trends and rarely go where Zagat hasn't gone before. Chowhounds, on the other hand, blaze trails, combing gleefully through neighborhoods for hidden culinary treasure. They despise hype, and while they appreciate refined ambiance and service, they can't be fooled by mere flash.

                                              No media outlets serve chowhounds. There are no chowhoundish newspapers, magazines or TV shows. And they've never had a place to gather and exchange information. This discerning, passionate crowd has long been completely invisible and utterly disenfranchised.......until now!

                                    's Alpha Dog, professional restaurant critic/author Jim Leff, along with Bob Okumura, launched this site to provide a non-hypey haven where their fellow hounds can opine, bicker, and rave to their hearts' content. Anyone who eats is welcome to stop by for unbiased, savvy chow advice or to just sit back and watch in amazement."

                                              If you, too, fret endlessly about making every bite count; if you'd grow weak from hunger rather than willingly eat something less than delicious, this place is for you! Welcome to our community. Let's talk. Let's swap tips.

                                              You needn't be an expert to participate. If you're less food-obsessed than the rest of us, but have a yen for egg creams, gazpacho, or Quisp Cereal, let the resident hounds guide you to the best stuff. Follow (and chime in on) some of cyberspace's most rollicking, contagious discussion -- featuring thousands of entertaining messages from characters all over the world. But, hey....."

                                              That was the manifesto.

                                              So the McRib and Olive Garden are hardly havens of optimal deliciousness.

                                              While the corporate chains won't really serve inedible food because they need to stay in business, one can hardly say the McRib is the best sandwich or Olive Garden serves the best Italian food.

                                              But that doesn't mean chain food is shunned. This isn't the place for food snobs. Popeye's chicken is a favorite of many and there are other such examples ... finding the best just means finding the best.

                                              And it can be the best to you ... thus my odes to the McRib. It was a haven where hounds could opine, bicker, and rave to their hearts' content. ... about any food that was good to them.,

                                              I guess most people ... and some surprising people ... have forgotten that.

                                              " Let's talk. Let's swap tips" ... forget about it.

                                              Now all we want to do is make each other feel good and like each other rather than share food tips ... to mindlessly click 'like' because we just can't be bothered to discuss why we like something.

                                              And ... limster sums it up best

                                              " It doesn't matter if there's 500 "Likes" or 500 "Hates" on a dissenting post; one is not more valid than the other. What the community feels is not as important as what one feels when one eats the food."

                                              The only important thing is if you like the food. That is the one thing that has been invaluable to me. I've leared through Chowhound to blaze my own trails and I've eaten amazingly.

                                              I don't care if anyone likes me ... really, really likes me.

                                              I do care about letting people know about the delicious food I've tried. I do care about spreading the word on some worthy business that might not otherwise get attention. If you try it and like it ... good for you ... not me.

                                              And ... damn it ... if anyone replies with a :"like" or "+1" to this post, I'll take it that you just want to piss me off.

                                              1. re: rworange

                                                Much appreciated, rworange! I had no idea Chowhound had been around that long.Since i gave up T.V. acouple years ago,decided to get a computer to keep up on current affair. You mean the prior CH was better? I'm having a good time with this site right now! It's hard to fall asleep sometimes,because it can get pretty funny.I've never done this kind of *posting* before. Anyway,McRib stopped being available in Alta,I think, back in the '80's. As for the Olive Garden,well I've eaten wonderful, real italian food ordered for me by a real Italian foodie in Bologna. Absolutely amazing but, if someone offered to flip for a meal @ the Olive Garden,I might take it (depending on who it was). I have not been for about 10 years, maybe it's gone south since then. Glad to be aboard...hetook

                                                1. re: rworange

                                                  Bravo, rworange! Just catching this thread now. You may be interested to check out my ridiculously detailed 2008 comparison of the old vs. new manifestos.


                                                  Mr Taster

                                        2. re: rworange

                                          <<I thought Chowhound was about food tips. Is that incorrect?>>>

                                          No, It is also about wine, beer, spirits, gardening, cookware, media and not about food.

                                2. From the posts here, different people would like to have such an option for different reasons, to provide different responses, in different circumstances. A vague "Like" won't have that kind of fine grained flexibility needed to communicate these many different things effectively, and the likelihood of getting interpreted in the way the "Liker" might have wanted won't be high.

                                  It takes more effort to type in an effective response, but that conveys far more.

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                                  1. re: limster

                                    P.S. There's been ample points made by many posters on this thread on this issue:

                                  2. What's the big hairy? Add "like". Wouldn't be any more intrusive than the "permalink/report/reply" in the right-hand corner. I doubt once it was there people would give it more thought than they do the former.