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Organic cow milk bottled on or near the farm??

MarkG Nov 1, 2011 07:37 AM

and highest grades for freshness and richness and flavor

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    iamafoodie Nov 1, 2011 07:50 AM

    What producer can afford pasteurization and bottle sterilization?

    1. estufarian Nov 1, 2011 08:44 AM

      In Canada we have to be protected from such revolutionary ideas. It's illegal in Ontario for cow milk.

      1. TorontoJo Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM

        Milk must be pasteurized and bottled in a sterile processing plant. A small farmer doesn't have the capital to set that up.

        Your best bet is probably the Organic Meadow brand, which is available in most grocery stores.


        1. jayt90 Nov 1, 2011 12:41 PM

          Hewitt's Dairy has non homogenized milk by special order. The milk comes from Hagersville area farms. They also produce Harmony organic milk and Hewitt's organic goats milk. Links: http://www.hewittsdairy.com/about-us/what-we-do/

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          1. re: jayt90
            estufarian Nov 1, 2011 12:59 PM

            From the Hewitts Dairy Site:

            "Hewitt’s Dairy Limited has not had its own dairy herd since 1950. The supply of cow milk in Ontario is currently managed and marketed through Dairy Farmers of Ontario (DFO), formerly known as the Ontario Milk Marketing Board (OMMB). For specific information regarding milk production, please email Dairy Farmers of Ontario with your question at questions@milk.org."

            ALL cow milk in Ontario has to be sold to OMMB (or whatever they call it now). I have a good friend who wanted to use Guernsey Cows ONLY for milk production (tend to have higher butterfat content) and sell it separately. But was told he could ONLY sell it to the OMMB at the same price as all other milk i.e. no premium price for a premium product - even if sold separately to OMMB. So what we get is high production, not high quality.

            1. re: estufarian
              jayt90 Nov 1, 2011 01:17 PM

              Maybe I am wrong, but surely Hagersville or Norfolk milk goes to Hewitt's, rather than tankers from
              Lennox or Lambton. There must be some reasonable economy in OMMB, and possibly the dairy can even select farm suppliers. But who knows how the OMMB works.
              Their days may be limited if the Feds go after more cartels.

              1. re: jayt90
                estufarian Nov 1, 2011 01:48 PM

                I guess it depends on the catchment area for the pasteurization 'plant'. And that I don't know.

              2. re: estufarian
                Kagemusha Nov 2, 2011 04:32 AM

                "So what we get is high production, not high quality."

                That's nonsense. You get high quality through standardization. You won't get "craft" dairies selling low volume with sketchy processing.

                1. re: Kagemusha
                  estufarian Nov 2, 2011 06:47 AM

                  The paragraph where I make that statement is particularly referring to butterfat content.
                  To my palate (and I'm sure many other readers) a higher butterfat in milk and also butter gives a richer feel and taste, which is usually associated with premium products in this product area. Indeed higher butterfat content DOES bring premium prices, so I still maintain that such products are 'higher quality'.

                  There are possibly other definitions of quality - in which case you could be right (e.g. automobile production lines).
                  However, in this instance, in this Province, I'm still waiting to see increasing 'quality' as measured by butterfat, because of standardization.

                  1. re: estufarian
                    Kagemusha Nov 2, 2011 09:12 AM

                    Good luck. The production/marketing/processing system in place produces a standardized, high quality product. You want a specialty product but "pay more-get more" isn't axiomatic as you've probably learned--hopefully.

                    1. re: Kagemusha
                      jayt90 Nov 2, 2011 09:26 AM

                      If estufarian is right, there is no incentive to raise Jerseys or Guernseys. The herds seem to be mostly Holstein, and the maximum butterfat a dairy is allowed to produce from this thinner milk is just 35%, for whipping cream.
                      I wonder how many other countries do this.
                      I'm headed toward Lambton and Middlesex counties today, and I can ask a few questions about this.

                      1. re: jayt90
                        Kagemusha Nov 2, 2011 12:05 PM

                        Find someone willing and able to sell small quantities out the barn door. Did that with dairies around Frontenac county when I lived in Kingston in the early 90s but it was by no means common practice then.

            2. vil Nov 2, 2011 09:38 AM

              Still far from what you requested, but I do indulge in the non-homogenized milk from Harmony, whenever I can find it. The cream floating on top reminds me of how milk should be.

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              1. re: vil
                bytepusher Nov 2, 2011 10:22 AM

                You can regularly find the non-homogenized milk from Hewitt's in a few places in Toronto.

                There are two other small production dairies that claim to use local herds (but they still have to work through the supply management system). Steen's near Guelph and Reid's in Belleville. Reid's specifically claims that their milk is fresher than the product from "the majors". Reid's produces 2% of the province's milk.

                The only assuredly legal way around the supply management system is to dedicate the entire output of your milk to cheese production, which is why we have a Guernsey herd in Niagara that Upper Canada uses for making Niagara Gold.

                1. re: bytepusher
                  acd123 Nov 2, 2011 12:56 PM

                  ...and Guernsey Girl, UC's answer to halumi.

                  1. re: acd123
                    earthygoat Nov 2, 2011 04:40 PM

                    I love Guernsey Girl! I ate more of that cheese than I'd like to admit when I was pregnant :)

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