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Top Chef Just Desserts 10/19 episode (spoiler!)

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cmvan Oct 19, 2011 10:55 PM

No more Quickfires, it's last elimination before the finale.

Having to create a dessert that looks like an entree - not exactly a new gimmick, but what the hey.

Some of what went on produced quite predictable results, like Chris being chastised for using frozen puff pastry. And Sally going bonkers over what to make, not having it together when Johnny came round, and then ending up winning. Big shock. It's so like the Magical Elves to make you think she's blown it...

I was a bit concerned that Matt would get the ax, but Orlando just made too many errors in his production of his dessert paella. While I didn't care for Orlando through the series, as he said in his departing interview, he learned how to use constructive criticism rather than think he was always 100% correct. The experience really seemed to do him good, and he thanked Johnny for his words.

No telling who will win this. All three have had their moments. It's just a matter of who will have a better dessert day than the other two.

  1. LurkerDan Oct 20, 2011 08:13 AM

    Suddenly, Orlando gets some humility on the episode that he's eliminated? I wonder if he's been displaying that side all along and they finally decided to make him not the villain now that he's going, or if it was new found humility.

    The puff pastry thing annoyed me, because there was not a single comment about how the pastry wasn't good or that they could tell it was store bought, not one comment about how it detracted from his desert. The reason one would make your own is because supposedly the difference can be tasted. But if they can't taste it, what does it matter? Maybe they could taste it, I don't know, but if they could, I would have liked to have seen a comment to that effect.

    Glad to see Orlando go and Matthew stay.

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      piccola Oct 23, 2011 06:31 AM

      I'm sure the editing played up Orlando's arrogant side, but even he admits he went in there thinking he was the best at everything.

    2. chowser Oct 20, 2011 11:16 AM

      I thought it was a good episode. I like seeing the camaderie among the chefs and respect. I liked Orlando's exit, not that he was told to go but thought he showed class and humility. While I think he was arrogant, I think the editing made it seem so much more so--all the other chefs seemed to get along well w/ him and he was helpful to the others.

      I don't know why they were comparing puff pastry to bread when criticizing Chris. There's a huge difference and bread is pretty hands off and fairly safe. There's a host of things that can go wrong w/ puff pastry, it takes so much more time and you have to plan well ahead for it. They knew it was a last minute decision for Chris. I like all three, would be happier to see either Sally or Matt win but think Chris is just as deserving, as was Orlando. There has been less drama on this show, hence, less chat but I thought it was pretty good, overall. I enjoyed watching it, but not much to talk about once Craig left.

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        jeanmarieok Oct 20, 2011 11:31 AM

        I fell asleep before the end, but thought when Sally was talking to Johnny, 'she's done this exact thing before, not having a solid plan, and she won'. I figured she'd win. I thought the beef wellington knock off was impressive, too.

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          piccola Oct 23, 2011 06:30 AM

          I did find it funny that he chose beef wellington thinking it was a French dish.

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            jeanmarieok Oct 23, 2011 07:22 AM

            I was more surprised one of the guests defended it as French, too.

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              John E. Oct 23, 2011 08:01 AM

              It is French. Beef Wellington is easier to say than is "filet de bœuf en croûte".

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                piccola Oct 23, 2011 04:09 PM

                Actually, the true origins of the dish are the subject of a lot of theories, but so far, there's little evidence. And these days, it's an iconic dish in Britain, Australia and New Zealand more than anywhere else. Sure, there's a French dish that has beef in puff pastry, and it may even pre-date Beef Wellington, but that doesn't mean they're one and the same.

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                  John E. Oct 23, 2011 04:41 PM

                  Yes, but denying that beef in puff pastry with a mushroom duxelle is not French is inaccurate.

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                chowser Oct 23, 2011 10:58 AM

                I think that was Hubert Keller who said it was.

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                  LurkerDan Oct 23, 2011 04:17 PM

                  If Hubert Keller says it is a french dish, I'll take his word for it!

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                    The Dairy Queen Oct 24, 2011 02:04 AM

                    I thought it was Johnny who said it was...

                    Echoing others sentiments, I also like the camaraderie among this last handful of contestants. Orlando has rubbed me wrong all season and perhaps that has been some skewed editing, but I was really pleased with some of what he said in his farewell remarks. It sounds like he's learned some things about himself, which is really nice to hear. Good for him!

                    ~TDQ

                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                      LurkerDan Oct 24, 2011 10:40 AM

                      Johnny did, but Hubert confirmed it. And since he's the french guy, I trust him!

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                        The Dairy Queen Oct 24, 2011 11:05 AM

                        That's right, I do remember that now. I agree that Hubert Keller is certainly trustworthy in matters of French cuisine! I'm impressed Johnny knew, actually.

                        ~TDQ

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                          chowser Oct 24, 2011 03:15 PM

                          I thought Johnny said Hubert was the one who claimed it was French. I've liked Johnny as the host of this show. I like his feedback and his demeanor. His criticisms are well founded and he isn't mean about his comments.

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                            charmedgirl Oct 25, 2011 12:10 PM

                            Well ... I wouldn't be too impressed. When Johnny was doing his walk around before service and heard what Chris was doing, he actually said "isn't that English?" or something along those lines. Chris got this scared look for a moment, but defended the decision. Then, at the tasting, when someone else made the same comment Johnny had made earlier, Johnny was like "no, actually, blah blah blah", which leads me to think he or the producers did some quick research in the interim. Hubert might have already had the knowledge, but I really don't think Johnny did.

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                            babette feasts Oct 24, 2011 03:43 PM

                            Yeah but the French think they invented everything!

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                              trvlcrzy Oct 27, 2011 10:56 AM

                              I think by just the fact of everyone in this board debating the true origins of Beef Wellington shows doubt of it being an "iconic" French dish. I mean get serious, you don't go to France or a French restaurant and order Beef Wellington. And I can translate every dish in French too from other countries and label it as French. Like what you said "the French claim they invented everything...specially in cooking techniques".

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                  ladybugthepug Oct 20, 2011 02:27 PM

                  Orlando can safely walk the streets without being called "Marcel".

                  I was shocked he used coconut rice instead of a rice pudding.

                  Manicotti looked a bit out of scale to me. Could have easily be smaller in diameter. First thing I thought was, "Damn, that thing looks like it'd be a chore to eat."

                  Episode reminded me more of the respect the chefs have for each other on TC Masters. No interpersonal drama, which I prefer. I don't need edited heroes and villains.

                  Also enjoyed the back stories on three of the four chefs. I don't remember if they did one for the manicotti guy.

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                    mountaincachers Oct 25, 2011 04:28 AM

                    I was glad to see Orlando go (Not just for his bad behavior, but because there were at least two previous challenges where he should have been eliminated. It just wouldn't be fair for him to make it to the finals).
                    Overall, I think they all did a great job with this challenge. I agree that the behavior is finally better...though in part that's because these final four happen to get along. I think Sally's eye rolling and nasty behavior towards Katzie was terrible. Speaking of Katzie...I would have loved to have seen what she would have done with this week's challenge.
                    The manicotti could have been a much better dish had it been smaller (or maybe a ravioli). There was no way anyone could have made it through that whole thing.

                    1. re: mountaincachers
                      LurkerDan Oct 25, 2011 09:05 AM

                      He also could have done all sorts of interesting things inside of the manicotti to make the flavors varied. So long as the cream was the only visible part, it would still look like manicotti. there was no requirement that the cream filling go all the way through, ie that it look like manicotti once cut into.

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